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VN Ren'Py Where It All Began [S1 Ch.4 Fix 1 Steam] [Oceanlab]

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alain8891

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Out of interest... how can you restore a scene from unused Ch 4 renders if there was never a dialogue script for that scene? What am I missing?
The dialog was there, in a way, Miru is having a phone conversation with MC telling him what happened in the cab with the Krayt guy. I just reinserted that render as a flashback during that conversation.
 

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There was a scrapped scene in the taxi with her and the krayt guy that people found in the game files (the one she mentioned on the phone). I wonder why it was scrapped..
I linked the mentioned picture a little higher in spoiler. In the NTR route, when Miru and Will are talking on the phone, Miru literally says: "I let him play with my tits for a bit". But you can see in the picture that it's not just tits, and that Miru is not completely honest. If this picture had been included in this dialogue, then everyone would have immediately known that Miru was lying. But Ocean doesn't want to immediately reveal Miru's cheating to the players, not even in the NTR route. When they talk, Miru is naked, and in my opinion, by this time she has already fucked the krayt guy, who is still in the apartment. Look at her eyes and body language in every picture, it gives it away. But maybe no one notices this, because everyone only reads Miru's body and the dialogue. This is mainly due to Ocean's visuals, since in almost every picture in the game the characters get a sharp and clear image, but the background is always blurry and not clear. This is what happens in these pictures, it's a bit dark, Miru's body is sharp and clear, but the background is usually blurry. However, if you give the picture a little brightness and sharpen the image a little, I think the answer is there. Miru is not alone in the apartment, and someone is sitting on the couch. And if this is true, then it's understandable why Miru says at the end of the scene: "I'm tired"...
And now don't judge me, because this is just my theory...
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I also believe Miru has been fucking around behind William's back. Her high libido betrays her.
This is exactly what I was talking about in my previous comment. To get to this point, you have to deny sex with Miru several times throughout the game. This causes sexual frustration and she really wants to have sex with someone. And I think the "final decision" was Katie's stupid scene in the cafe, when she moaned lustfully into Will's phone while talking to Miru. If you look closely at the pictures, Miru doesn't laugh or smile, as if this was really a joke. But this last one, again, is just a theory on my part.
 

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This is exactly what I was talking about in my previous comment. To get to this point, you have to deny sex with Miru several times throughout the game. This causes sexual frustration and she really wants to have sex with someone. And I think the "final decision" was Katie's stupid scene in the cafe, when she moaned lustfully into Will's phone while talking to Miru. If you look closely at the pictures, Miru doesn't laugh or smile, as if this was really a joke. But this last one, again, is just a theory on my part.
Is that canonical, or just on the NTR/cheat route?
 

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Is that canonical, or just on the NTR/cheat route?
It's not canon because if you always give Miru what she wants and treat her well, then this scene is different. Miru is cooking in an apron while they're talking on the phone. So there's no cheating on this route.. This only happens if you do the things I mentioned in the story. And if you have the NTR option turned on at the beginning of the game...
 

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It's not canon because if you always give Miru what she wants and treat her well, then this scene is different. Miru is cooking in an apron while they're talking on the phone. So there's no cheating on this route.. This only happens if you do the things I mentioned in the story. And if you have the NTR option turned on at the beginning of the game...
Good, 'cause nothing would make me rage quit faster. Miru is MY LIFE!!!
 

Acsuka

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Good, 'cause nothing would make me rage quit faster. Miru is MY LIFE!!!
Yeah, so the point is that throughout the story, if you always have sex with Miru when you have the chance, there's no sexual frustration. So Miru is happy and content with her relationship...
 

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Yeah, so the point is that throughout the story, if you always have sex with Miru when you have the chance, there's no sexual frustration. So Miru is happy and content with her relationship...
Yeah, as you might guess from my reaction, I always have sex with Miru. No matter what other path, it's a given. I even enable NTR, just to keep my on track with her, because I would hate NTR. :ROFLMAO: :love:
 

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I linked the mentioned picture a little higher in spoiler. In the NTR route, when Miru and Will are talking on the phone, Miru literally says: "I let him play with my tits for a bit". But you can see in the picture that it's not just tits, and that Miru is not completely honest. If this picture had been included in this dialogue, then everyone would have immediately known that Miru was lying. But Ocean doesn't want to immediately reveal Miru's cheating to the players, not even in the NTR route. When they talk, Miru is naked, and in my opinion, by this time she has already fucked the krayt guy, who is still in the apartment. Look at her eyes and body language in every picture, it gives it away. But maybe no one notices this, because everyone only reads Miru's body and the dialogue. This is mainly due to Ocean's visuals, since in almost every picture in the game the characters get a sharp and clear image, but the background is always blurry and not clear. This is what happens in these pictures, it's a bit dark, Miru's body is sharp and clear, but the background is usually blurry. However, if you give the picture a little brightness and sharpen the image a little, I think the answer is there. Miru is not alone in the apartment, and someone is sitting on the couch. And if this is true, then it's understandable why Miru says at the end of the scene: "I'm tired"...
And now don't judge me, because this is just my theory...
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I had similar thoughts playing this route. But Ocean is consistent that cheating is not Miru's nature, so I don't think they have fuck. There are different opitions of the open relationship one where you have to approve any sexual activity and one where you just approve penetration, the cab scene exist but it not being in the script says something, maybe Ocean thought it didn't fit the character. I do think that Miru NTR route is closer than we might think but was only 3 days with out sex, if that was enough she would have cheated before.
 
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Acsuka

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I had similar thoughts playing this route. But Ocean is consistent that cheating is not Miru's nature, so I don't think they have fuck. There are different opitions of the open relationship one where you have to approve any sexual activity and one where you just approve penetration, the cab scene exist but it not being in the script says something, maybe Ocean thought it didn't fit the character. I do think that Miru NTR route is closer than we might think but was only 3 days with out sex, if that was enough she would have cheated before.
As written under your comment, Ocean had the "courage" to rewrite the story. For years, everyone was happy with the family relationships, because that's what made the game even more special. So if he removed that, why can't he do something he said before (Miru is not a cheating type). And I think the taxi driver scene fits this character perfectly in this scene. We're talking about the NTR route, so who will cheat on Will if he's not with anyone else but Miru? And finally, this is a porn site where millions of irrational decisions are made in games. So when exactly Miru cheats on Will - is irrelevant. Now was the perfect opportunity.
 

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As written under your comment, Ocean had the "courage" to rewrite the story. For years, everyone was happy with the family relationships, because that's what made the game even more special. So if he removed that, why can't he do something he said before (Miru is not a cheating type). And I think the taxi driver scene fits this character perfectly in this scene. We're talking about the NTR route, so who will cheat on Will if he's not with anyone else but Miru? And finally, this is a porn site where millions of irrational decisions are made in games. So when exactly Miru cheats on Will - is irrelevant. Now was the perfect opportunity.
Well the changes affected only plot not characters, I didn't see any change in the update that would make think different of Miru. Yeah, but the things is that the render was cut, Ocean didn't use this render, as for his reasons who can tell ? Finally you would be right if this was a fuck fest where women lost reason at the sigth of a cock and the reworks didn't do that and the when id absolutely important, I even like the agle that she lets things go more far than she said to William I just don't think there was fucking involved
 

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I had similar thoughts playing this route. But Ocean is consistent that cheating is not Miru's nature, so I don't think they have fuck. There are different opitions of the open relationship one where you have to approve any sexual activity and one where you just approve penetration, the cab scene exist but it not being in the script says something, maybe Ocean thought it didn't fit the character. I do think that Miru NTR route is closer than we might think but was only 3 days with out sex, if that was enough she would have cheated before.
100% this completely.
The developer can shove his game where the sun doesn't shine...the fact that he removed the MC's relationship with everyone is a complete turn-off. For a long time, the game was among my top three picks. Now it's just a rusty oil can in another dimension.:mad::mad::mad:
Oh take a running jump.
 

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Well the changes affected only plot not characters, I didn't see any change in the update that would make think different of Miru. Yeah, but the things is that the render was cut, Ocean didn't use this render, as for his reasons who can tell ? Finally you would be right if this was a fuck fest where women lost reason at the sigth of a cock and the reworks didn't do that and the when id absolutely important, I even like the agle that she lets things go more far than she said to William I just don't think there was fucking involved
It's okay to disagree on certain things. We are people who think in many different ways. Just imagine the chaos on earth if all men only liked redheads. Everyone wanted to be the pack leader. And as I mentioned at the end of my very first long comment: These are just theories that I have in my head. One thing is for sure: I don't believe a word Ocean says anymore, no matter what he says on any forum.
 

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Well the changes affected only plot not characters, I didn't see any change in the update that would make think different of Miru.
Completely disagree here. The plot changes made characters act differently to what we have seen from them before. As a direct consequence of the plot changes. I lost all interest in Katie and Miru after this update because I felt like they were no longer quite the same characters that chapter 3 had presented.

Take Miru at the bar for example. Without any input from the player she went further than her character had gone before. She didn't just assist in the shakedown of the bar owner. She went above and beyond what Emilio and his goons would have done by threatening him the way she did. I don't think I need to provide any Katie example. Basically any conversation with her in chapter 4 shows the shift her character suffered.
 
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