VN Ren'Py Where It All Began [S1 Ch.4 Fix 1 Steam] [Oceanlab]

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LHDLLB

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Women in uniform huh, I see you.

I do think Mon looks the most "real" out of the cast.
Yeah, I find her pimples to be oddly endering. OG Marla also had a real feel to her and there is one cougar that really looks like a 50 someting years old woman. I like the strach marks on Nami ass too. All in all Ocean models are far from the worst example in AVNs, the number of Landladys with baby skin is too high. I understand DAZ limitation but I find hard to argue that there is not a biasis too, nobody wants to see old and ugly people fucking, well some do but thank god not enough. Still. Is kinda funny sometimes.

EDIT: missspleling and cohesioh. Engllish is not my native language but I am don't have negative IQ either
 
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Maccabbee

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Well people, the first unauthorized contest is starting.
What is Katie's best hairstyle?

In order of rework
A) View attachment 5048483
OG Bella
B) View attachment 5048484
Maviarab or Lady Helmet Style
C) View attachment 5048485
Wet
D) View attachment 5048486
Pink Odango
E) View attachment 5048487
False Wet
Vote!
And for the most unsatisfied contestants, today only: Choose your Monica!

1) View attachment 5048511
High Fashion
2) View attachment 5048512 View attachment 5048513
Shit to do (work and casual)
3) View attachment 5048514
Don't you forget about me
TBH, Who ever looks that high up?
 

Maccabbee

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Well people, the first unauthorized contest is starting.
What is Katie's best hairstyle?

In order of rework
A) View attachment 5048483
OG Bella
B) View attachment 5048484
Maviarab or Lady Helmet Style
C) View attachment 5048485
Wet
D) View attachment 5048486
Pink Odango
E) View attachment 5048487
False Wet
Vote!
And for the most unsatisfied contestants, today only: Choose your Monica!

1) View attachment 5048511
High Fashion
2) View attachment 5048512 View attachment 5048513
Shit to do (work and casual)
3) View attachment 5048514
Don't you forget about me
E 3
 

Radon-

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Well people, the first unauthorized contest is starting.
What is Katie's best hairstyle?

In order of rework
A) View attachment 5048483
OG Bella
B) View attachment 5048484
Maviarab or Lady Helmet Style
C) View attachment 5048485
Wet
D) View attachment 5048486
Pink Odango
E) View attachment 5048487
False Wet
Vote!
And for the most unsatisfied contestants, today only: Choose your Monica!

1) View attachment 5048511
High Fashion
2) View attachment 5048512 View attachment 5048513
Shit to do (work and casual)
3) View attachment 5048514
Don't you forget about me
B 2

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John972

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So you find it likely that Dylan's criminal family only started associating with Joe's criminal enterprises because they both married sisters, and not the other way around? I find it much more likely that the Arano family and Zane family businesses were already intertwined, and that's how they met both (probably criminal family) sisters, and they all lived dysfunctionally ever after.

After all, they would have known each other because both families are in the same territory.

And it's plain English, not a legal document, and the fact that you didn't even think of the possibility of what I pointed out says a lot more about your unperceived irrational biases than mine. You're even more of an aggressive asshole than I am, and that's saying something.
Don't GASLIGHT.

The statement you made was:

"Scarlett the Doctor married her brother-in-law's (friend? cousin? partner?), Joe Arano."

You state Joe being Dylan's friend/cousin/partner as fact, when it is solely your opinion, and not based on any dialogues in the game to date. It has nothing to do with it turning out to be correct or not.

I posed this question because I wanted to see who you really were - someone who would dig their heals in and gaslight their way out of a badly-worded statement, or someone who could admit what they stated as fact is merely supposition.

Thank you for confirming who you really are.
 

John972

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Well people, the first unauthorized contest is starting.
What is Katie's best hairstyle?

In order of rework
A) View attachment 5048483
OG Bella
B) View attachment 5048484
Maviarab or Lady Helmet Style
C) View attachment 5048485
Wet
D) View attachment 5048486
Pink Odango
E) View attachment 5048487
False Wet
Vote!
And for the most unsatisfied contestants, today only: Choose your Monica!

1) View attachment 5048511
High Fashion
2) View attachment 5048512 View attachment 5048513
Shit to do (work and casual)
3) View attachment 5048514
Don't you forget about me
I don't particularly care for Katie's lady helmet style, but it's the one that's been with her character since the very beginning , plus it doesn't make her look like a Bella clone.

As for Mon, 'can't go past her 'Shit to do' hairstyle, while her last hairstyle is giving me Reworked-Mila's-New-Hairstyle PTSD.
 
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Monica's face also looks a bit different now. It's kind of weird compared to the previous chapters. I'm not really liking it. I had Monica in my top 5, but I'm not sure right now if she'll stay there.
 

BobTheDuck

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Well people, the first unauthorized contest is starting.
What is Katie's best hairstyle?

In order of rework
A) View attachment 5048483
OG Bella
B) View attachment 5048484
Maviarab or Lady Helmet Style
C) View attachment 5048485
Wet
D) View attachment 5048486
Pink Odango
E) View attachment 5048487
False Wet
Vote!
And for the most unsatisfied contestants, today only: Choose your Monica!

1) View attachment 5048511
High Fashion
2) View attachment 5048512 View attachment 5048513
Shit to do (work and casual)
3) View attachment 5048514
Don't you forget about me
C: I mean, fish ARE supposed to be kept wetALL THE TIME right? :coffee::unsure:
1: Classiest. 2 feels overused because it's either Frohn or Elena later. 3? It's a trying hard to look different look when we had barely any time with one. Mon seems less concerned with looks than Katie or Leia, I feel her story should be she's found her equilibrium and Willi's interrupted it. Too soon for her to be changing herself - it would be better for her to be astablished as comfortable and content with Ben before Ben gets jealous, triggering her change to get attention. Ideally we'd have her trying to win Ben over before she then gets involved with William as revenge against Ben's jealousy.

I will admit that A is my favourite look for her but it's always slightly poisonous to me because of SG, and the miracle of length between A and B, the ends in A are all different lengths, while B is a clean line. B is nostalgia, so kinda important. D is the precursor of mature Katie so I gotta like that. E... what? False is correct. Why does this exist when C is already real?

B 2

Bob supremacy
Well I AM the best duck in the thread, but B2? I got no bombs for ya :LUL:
 
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yossa999

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If I go to a restaurant and the waiter brings me shit on a plate because the fridge is empty and all the staff suddenly left in the middle of the day I'm not gonna stay seated, finish the meal and pay for it. It's fucking shit on a plate! I couldn't give less of a fuck how and why it got there. I'm gonna call the dish for what it is, curse the waiter and leave without paying a cent.
Another fucking customer at the restaurant. What could be more stupid than this metaphor? Probably only victims of milking on a site where leaked games are given away for free.

Dude, you've got the wrong door. This isn't a restaurant, it's a nightclub. Even the bouncer at the entrance won't let you in. He says they have the dress code here and you don't fit in.

So you're standing near the club in your punk outfit with a few dudes dressed similarly. You complain that the music there is crap. That you were expecting a punk band concert here (a group of guys and girls walking into the club give you sideways glances. They think you're nuts, there have never been any punk groups in the nightclub, only DJs with dance music).

But you and your bros keep complaining. How fucking great it was here before they made this stupid nightclub. Only an idiot would go there, because the music is disgusting, the drinks are expensive and they mostly serve some fancy stupid cocktails instead of old good cheap fortified beer, so that a true punk has something to puke on.

There's laughter, cheers, and crowd noise coming from the club. More people are coming, and there's already a small line at the entrance. You and your bros comment on how ridiculous the girls look, they don't even have pink mohawks on their heads. No one's wearing black studded leather jackets. Fucking normies.

You all in a hurry to tell each other how stupid this electronic music is and how this disgusting noise twists your ears into tubes. And that real punk won't ever come close to this shit.

Suddenly, the dance floor in the club explodes with excited screams. You and your bros even fall silent for a moment, listening to the sounds from the club and trying to understand what is happening. The host welcomes the famous DJ Ocean with his ultra-popular WiAB Mafia Mix, the Steam intense edition.

You come to your senses and continue the interrupted bitching session with redoubled energy, trying to shout down each other and the sounds of music and the crowd from the nightclub.

Latecomers passing by look at the group of punks who clearly don't belong there, but who feel quite comfortable, excitedly arguing with each other: "No, this shit isn't The Clash. What Clash? This isn't even Ramones, not even close, even the Dead Kennedys would be a masterpiece compared to this shit. What kind of degenerates go to this club? Mafia thing, hehe..."
 

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Dude, you've got the wrong door. This isn't a restaurant, it's a nightclub. Even the bouncer at the entrance won't let you in. He says they have the dress code here and you don't fit in.
You're both right in your own way, because holy hell - someone bought a ticket to a Linkin Park concert, but Justin Bieber came out with a guitar singing Linkin Park songs.

Half the crowd will say: 'Well, it's still music and Linkin Park songs,' while the other half will scream: 'This is bullshit, we've been scammed.
 

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C: I mean, fish ARE supposed to be kept wetALL THE TIME right? :coffee::unsure:
1: Classiest. 2 feels overused because it's either Frohn or Elena later. 3? It's a trying hard to look different look when we had barely any time with one. Mon seems less concerned with looks than Katie or Leia, I feel her story should be she's found her equilibrium and Willi's interrupted it. Too soon for her to be changing herself - it would be better for her to be astablished as comfortable and content with Ben before Ben gets jealous, triggering her change to get attention. Ideally we'd have her trying to win Ben over before she then gets involved with William as revenge against Ben's jealousy.

I will admit that A is my favourite look for her but it's always slightly poisonous to me because of SG, and the miracle of length between A and B, the ends in A are all different lengths, while B is a clean line. B is nostalgia, so kinda important. D is the precursor of mature Katie so I gotta like that. E... what? False is correct. Why does this exist when C is already real?
I'm impressed
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BobTheDuck

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Another fucking customer at the restaurant. What could be more stupid than this metaphor? Probably only victims of milking on a site where leaked games are given away for free.

Dude, you've got the wrong door. This isn't a restaurant, it's a nightclub. Even the bouncer at the entrance won't let you in. He says they have the dress code here and you don't fit in.

So you're standing near the club in your punk outfit with a few dudes dressed similarly. You complain that the music there is crap. That you were expecting a punk band concert here (a group of guys and girls walking into the club give you sideways glances. They think you're nuts, there have never been any punk groups in the nightclub, only DJs with dance music).

But you and your bros keep complaining. How fucking great it was here before they made this stupid nightclub. Only an idiot would go there, because the music is disgusting, the drinks are expensive and they mostly serve some fancy stupid cocktails instead of old good cheap fortified beer, so that a true punk has something to puke on.

There's laughter, cheers, and crowd noise coming from the club. More people are coming, and there's already a small line at the entrance. You and your bros comment on how ridiculous the girls look, they don't even have pink mohawks on their heads. No one's wearing black studded leather jackets. Fucking normies.

You all in a hurry to tell each other how stupid this electronic music is and how this disgusting noise twists your ears into tubes. And that real punk won't ever come close to this shit.

Suddenly, the dance floor in the club explodes with excited screams. You and your bros even fall silent for a moment, listening to the sounds from the club and trying to understand what is happening. The host welcomes the famous DJ Ocean with his ultra-popular WiAB Mafia Mix, the Steam intense edition.

You come to your senses and continue the interrupted bitching session with redoubled energy, trying to shout down each other and the sounds of music and the crowd from the nightclub.

Latecomers passing by look at the group of punks who clearly don't belong there, but who feel quite comfortable, excitedly arguing with each other: "No, this shit isn't The Clash. What Clash? This isn't even Ramones, not even close, even the Dead Kennedys would be a masterpiece compared to this shit. What kind of degenerates go to this club? Mafia thing, hehe..."
You're both right in your own way, because holy hell - someone bought a ticket to a Linkin Park concert, but Justin Bieber came out with a guitar singing Linkin Park songs.

Half the crowd will say: 'Well, it's still music and Linkin Park songs,' while the other half will scream: 'This is bullshit, we've been scammed.
Let's actually take the analog further:

There was a club, it was a dive bar called old WiaB, had a door fee no one paid but the regulars. Had comedy nights, country, blues and the odd hip hop act, maybe some punk. Got a make over as a bright shiny new venue, decided to call itself Wiab Ch1-3. Hadn't yet decided what music was playing, was keeping it all non-committal, but was going for highly polished professional vibe, no bands getting drunk and puking anywhere anytime like before. But it was bright and shiny, and highly anticipated. People kept wondering how it would be different from the old club - sure it was shiny, but the themes and genres weren't locked in. What kind of bands could they expect? Looked promising, from the few industry do's that the place actually put on.

Then the club couldn't pay rent and wasn't finished renovating - and was stonewalled by council regulations from further development.

You're the manager who has to solve this. What happens?

A: Club opens as is, but still fails to meet the city planning regulations. Puts on music that goes against the policies of the current council's guidelines. Club closes permanently, undermining the owner's portfolio of other business ventures. Eyes are on compliance with twice as much scrutiny.

B: Club renovates and puts on drum and bass, dance, techno, whatever the crazy *paying* kids are into. Does the market research into what they think the majority of people with money for the entrance fee want to see. Old patrons come around and feel pissed off. Some are happy enough, because it's their 'hood, while others wonder why they're still standing in front of a club they no longer like, rather than finding a new dive bar for a drink.

C: Pretend the city is wrong and that somehow a single independant WiaB can take on the regulations and win, resulting in A.

There's a couple of things this scenario says to me. A or C result in no WiaB open for business. You'll just look at the start of band's careers in black and white nostalgia. You'll never get to see the grand opening of this because it shut down. Or you go find a new bar that feels comfortable like home, even though the city is actively enforcing it's regulations, prohibition style. Eventually, you'll not be able to find the kinds of clubs that were open back then, because the devs can't afford to run at a loss, and they have to keep their heads down below the regulations.

Lastly in B there's the quality of the renovations. They meet the city regulations, so it can open, and start paying rent without pulling money from the other club that's doing pop music for the college kids. Is the renovation good? Well, it's open and compliant, but they rushed to open, no matter how long it took. Can the club be renovated while open? Yes. Will it happen? Unknown.

Let's not confuse the renovation with the necessity of the change. The marketplace is changing and there will be a lot of devs who have to consider how they're also going to renovate. Old school patrons of all these underground clubs will feel abandoned, not just this thread. The industry's moving that way, and no complaint about free speech will change that.
 
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yossa999

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You're both right in your own way, because holy hell - someone bought a ticket to a Linkin Park concert, but Justin Bieber came out with a guitar singing Linkin Park songs.

Half the crowd will say: 'Well, it's still music and Linkin Park songs,' while the other half will scream: 'This is bullshit, we've been scammed.
Let's actually take the analog further:

There was a club, it was a dive bar called old WiaB, had a door fee no one paid but the regulars. Had comedy nights, country, blues and the odd hip hop act, maybe some punk. Got a make over as a bright shiny new venue, decided to call itself Wiab Ch1-3. Hadn't yet decided what music was playing, was keeping it all non-committal, but was going for highly polished professional vibe, no bands getting drunk and puking anywhere anytime like before. But it was bright and shiny, and highly anticipated. People kept wondering how it would be different from the old club - sure it was shiny, but the themes and genres weren't locked in. What kind of bands could they expect? Looked promising, from the few industry do's that the place actually put on.

Then the club couldn't pay rent and wasn't finished renovating.

You're the manager who has to solve this. What happens?

A: Club opens as as, but fails to meet the city planning regulations. Puts on music that goes against the policies of the current council's guidelines. Club closes permanently, undermining the owner's portfolio. Eyes are on compliance with twice as much scrutiny.

B: Club renovates and puts on drum and bass, dance, techno, whatever the crazy *paying* kids are into. Does the market research into what they think the majority of people with money for the entrance fee want to see. Old patrons come around and feel pissed off. Some are happy enough, because it's their 'hood, while others wonder why they're still standing in front of a club they no longer like, rather than finding a new dive bar for a drink.

C: Pretend the city is wrong and that somehow a single independant WiaB can take on the regulations and win, rsulting in A.

There's a couple of things this scenario says to me. A or C result in no WiaB open for business. You'll just look at the start of careers in black and white nostalgia. You'll never get to see the grand opening of this because it shut down. Or you go find a new bar that feels comfortable like home, even though the city is actively enforcing it's regulations, prohibition style. Eventually, you'll not find the kinds of clubs that were open back then, because the devs can't afford to run at a loss.

Lastly in B there's the quality of the renovations. They meet the city regulations, so it can open, and start paying rent without pulling money from the other club that's doing pop music for the college kids. Is the renovation good? Well, it's open and compliant, but they rushed to open, no matter how long it took. Can the club be renovated while open? Yes. Will it happen? Unknown.

Let's not confuse the renovation with the necessity of the change. The marketplace is changing and there will be a lot of devs who have to consider how they're also going to renovate. Old school patrons of all these underground clubs will feel abandoned, not just this thread. The industry's moving that way, and no complaint about free speech will change that.
The only thing I can add to this. Don't know about you but I'm happy that I didn't go to the RNasc's favorite restaurant where they serve shit on the plates.
Because, you know, of the mafia reasons.
 

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Let's actually take the analog further:

There was a club, it was a dive bar called old WiaB, had a door fee no one paid but the regulars. Had comedy nights, country, blues and the odd hip hop act, maybe some punk. Got a make over as a bright shiny new venue, decided to call itself Wiab Ch1-3. Hadn't yet decided what music was playing, was keeping it all non-committal, but was going for highly polished professional vibe, no bands getting drunk and puking anywhere anytime like before. But it was bright and shiny, and highly anticipated. People kept wondering how it would be different from the old club - sure it was shiny, but the themes and genres weren't locked in. What kind of bands could they expect? Looked promising, from the few industry do's that the place actually put on.

Then the club couldn't pay rent and wasn't finished renovating.

You're the manager who has to solve this. What happens?

A: Club opens as as, but fails to meet the city planning regulations. Puts on music that goes against the policies of the current council's guidelines. Club closes permanently, undermining the owner's portfolio. Eyes are on compliance with twice as much scrutiny.

B: Club renovates and puts on drum and bass, dance, techno, whatever the crazy *paying* kids are into. Does the market research into what they think the majority of people with money for the entrance fee want to see. Old patrons come around and feel pissed off. Some are happy enough, because it's their 'hood, while others wonder why they're still standing in front of a club they no longer like, rather than finding a new dive bar for a drink.

C: Pretend the city is wrong and that somehow a single independant WiaB can take on the regulations and win, rsulting in A.

There's a couple of things this scenario says to me. A or C result in no WiaB open for business. You'll just look at the start of careers in black and white nostalgia. You'll never get to see the grand opening of this because it shut down. Or you go find a new bar that feels comfortable like home, even though the city is actively enforcing it's regulations, prohibition style. Eventually, you'll not find the kinds of clubs that were open back then, because the devs can't afford to run at a loss.

Lastly in B there's the quality of the renovations. They meet the city regulations, so it can open, and start paying rent without pulling money from the other club that's doing pop music for the college kids. Is the renovation good? Well, it's open and compliant, but they rushed to open, no matter how long it took. Can the club be renovated while open? Yes. Will it happen? Unknown.

Let's not confuse the renovation with the necessity of the change. The marketplace is changing and there will be a lot of devs who have to consider how they're also going to renovate. Old school patrons of all these underground clubs will feel abandoned, not just this thread. The industry's moving that way, and no complaint about free speech will change that.
We're all absolutely right in our opinions - even Ocean turned out to be right. Steam showed us yesterday just how fast his slippers are at changing shoes mid-stride.

Eventually everyone will have to accept the club's program. The strobe lights keep 180 BPM rhythm, but there's a one-handed violinist on stage. Still, the atmosphere and drinks are awesome, and your old buddies are in their usual spots - though they're pretending not to know you

What are we talking about? It’s the same thing, there is simply a YES and a BUT.
Steam brings money, which means it calls the tune. Just at the request of the listeners, it was possible to invite the whole orchestra and turn off the strobe lights.
 

BobTheDuck

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Just at the request of the listeners, it was possible to invite the whole orchestra and turn off the strobe lights.
Agreed with our post - but to extrapolate on this line, eventually this will not be true. If the city council keeps the doors of WiaB shut because of non compliance, then there are no listeners, and how will the club pay the orchestra? Keeping in mind the callout fee for an orchestra for an evening is probably around $20K for a 70 piece orch at least, the strobe lights and the DJ are far more sustainable when you have to do discount sales every month or so through the booking agent who takes their cut (Steam) and who also enforces their rules of compliance.

The well meaning listeners simply can't pay the club if the booking agents and third parties stonewall. So we're back to the situation, eventually everything resolves down to how we pay to get what we like. If there's no way to pay, businesses won't put on any show.
 
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