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Neriel

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I have to correct you there, it's :
"Look, i'm cheating, get on my level peasants !"

THERE'S NO WAY TO GET 0 CONTROL ON FLOOR 1 ON PRISONER DIFFCULTY !

Though, it's just rumor, it seems Rem never specify why he added such change. But I highly suspect it's because of that cheater.
This change he made just render the whole level scaling stuff non-existent.
This game, if you play it the way it's intended for right now, badend farming, become very easy, no need for planning at all, compared to before.
Now you are looking through your preference glasses. Now I get it, you liked to play a specific way, that got taking away and that sucks. Also I agree that enemy scaling is now less of a thing. But you don't need to farm badends now to have success. People did that already anyway and my first playtest showed on a fresh save, you can still stay up to 20 days on the First Floor before you actually run out of order. That is more then enough time to do stuff.
 

Iexist

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I have to correct you there, it's :
"Look, i'm cheating, get on my level peasants !"

THERE'S NO WAY TO GET 0 CONTROL ON FLOOR 1 ON PRISONER DIFFCULTY !

Though, it's just rumor, it seems Rem never specify why he added such change. But I highly suspect it's because of that cheater.
This change he made just render the whole level scaling stuff non-existent.
This game, if you play it the way it's intended for right now, badend farming, become very easy, no need for planning at all, compared to before.
Actually... there IS a way to do exactly that...

Starting Control on Prisoner Mode on 0.6 is -6.

Then there's a title called "Excellent Administrator", which, when equipped, HALVES the Control Value, whether Positive or negative. With it equipped after a day, your control drops to -3. It also boosts your Income by 5%, while also making it impossible to gain Order from Battles.

And get this, any Edicts you grab AFTER this will raise control linearly. In other words, the +1 Basic Training Guard Edict and the +2 Kitchen Edict will, together, take you to 0 Control, which means your Order becomes a static value.

How do you get that title? 11 days at max Order, super easy to do on Secretary Mode, and then you can take the title in Prisoner Mode, and do what I described, and farm forever. At least, until the Anarchy thing was thrown in.

Absolutely NO cheating required to achieve this.

Not to mention that the guy that did this, btw, is one of the semi-official bug testers... so it's kind of their thing to look for exploits... >.>"
 
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Yukihirou

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Starting Control on Prisoner Mode on 0.6 is -6.
I already mentioned this 2 times, starting control Prisoner mode 0.6 is still -9
You only get -6 by exploiting save game transferring fron 0.5 to 0.6. This is on Rem to fix, it's been like this for a week already. Yet i just downloaded the recently uploaded version, still not fixed.

is one of the semi-official bug testers
naruhodo, it's his job as bug tester, and he make us of bug to exploit the game, so not actually cheater, but beater. Where have I seen this term again ?

Edit 2: wait, -9 halved is -5 + all the edics is exactly 0, yeah, my bad. I'm, really sorry
 
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Yukihirou

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Now you are looking through your preference glasses. Now I get it, you liked to play a specific way, that got taking away and that sucks. Also I agree that enemy scaling is now less of a thing. But you don't need to farm badends now to have success. People did that already anyway and my first playtest showed on a fresh save, you can still stay up to 20 days on the First Floor before you actually run out of order. That is more then enough time to do stuff.
I cannot stress enough how flawed the newgame + is, you can literally farm for mind stat (hardest combat stat to train which also help slut build plentily) and be a god of the game regarless of game's version.

Also, forcing Karryn to lose and receive a divine intervention from us players in the form of newgame + is meta and breaking the 4th wall, i will not be part of that.
 
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Iexist

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I already mentioned this 2 times, starting control Prisoner mode 0.6 is still -9
You only get -6 by exploiting save game transferring fron 0.5 to 0.6. This is on Rem to fix, it's been like this for a week already. Yet i just downloaded the recently uploaded version, still not fixed.
Same difference though, just a little harder. 9 gets rounded down to 4 (or at least it did the last time I checked). Which means you end up needing just one more edict to get 0. Guess what, Bulk Food Supplier works for that. Or Better Guard Meals. Honestly depends on how much Expenses you want to get and whether you need the Order Boost Early on for any reason.

1st Day. Equip the title, round down Control to -4. Get rid of Royal Guard.
2nd Day. Repair Kitchen. Control will be -2. Order will be around 80, depending on what bonus order you had from other titles.
3rd Day onwards. Work on boosting income with Publish info edicts while order keeps dropping. Maybe even grab the Self Paid Equipment Edict for extra income.
??? Day? Grab the other +Control Edicts you need, for a total of 1500 Funds, to reduce Control to 0.

Still no cheating needed.
 

mamaboiii

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Actually... there IS a way to do exactly that...

Starting Control on Prisoner Mode on 0.6 is -6.

Then there's a title called "Excellent Administrator", which, when equipped, HALVES the Control Value, whether Positive or negative. With it equipped after a day, your control drops to -3. It also boosts your Income by 5%, while also making it impossible to gain Order from Battles.

And get this, any Edicts you grab AFTER this will raise control linearly. In other words, the +1 Basic Training Guard Edict and the +2 Kitchen Edict will, together, take you to 0 Control, which means your Order becomes a static value.

How do you get that title? 11 days at max Order, super easy to do on Secretary Mode, and then you can take the title in Prisoner Mode, and do what I described, and farm forever. At least, until the Anarchy thing was thrown in.

Absolutely NO cheating required to achieve this.

Not to mention that the guy that did this, btw, is one of the semi-official bug testers... so it's kind of their thing to look for exploits... >.>"
Did you actually test this in the current version? Because last time I checked, the 0.5 modifier is applied in the end. And the code for that seems clear. Meaning you'd need to somehow increase order by 8 (because of rounding).
 

Neriel

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I cannot stress enough how flawed the newgame + is, you can literally farm for mind stat (hardest combat stat to train which also help slut build plentily) and be a god of the game regarless of game's version.

Also, forcing Karryn to lose and receive a divine intervention from us players in the form of newgame + is meta and breaking the 4th wall, i will not be part of that.
I mean sure, I also don't like New Game+, since it takes the fun and challenge out of the game but that is why I never bother with it? Never touched it and most likely never will and so long the hardest diff. is beatable on a fresh save, I don't care. And so far the first 3 Levels are beatable on a fresh save on the hardest difficulty. So why are you upset about a thing, that doesn't affect you at all?
 

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I mean sure, I also don't like New Game+, since it takes the fun and challenge out of the game but that is why I never bother with it? Never touched it and most likely never will and so long the hardest diff. is beatable on a fresh save, I don't care. And so far the first 3 Levels are beatable on a fresh save on the hardest difficulty. So why are you upset about a thing, that doesn't affect you at all?
Because, once that's done, you have to leave that save permanently, no fun allowed. The right word I suppose is " No lollygagging".

You can only have fun with the minigames a few time a savefile instead of whenever you want, what's the fun ?

Sure I can beat prisoner mode easily right now, but then I'll be left with nothing to do except for restarting or grinding titles, Jesus...


And get this, any Edicts you grab AFTER this will raise control linearly.
Sasuga Rem, apply the effect of the title right at the start instead of at the end...
 

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Do the enemies actually scale with days passed as opposed with Karryn's level? Because that could lead to some serious powercreep issues...
 

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In all honesty, I don't think that Rem's issue was specifically that this can be done with titles on Prisoner Mode.

Rather, I think that Rem intends for the final starting Control value for Warden mode to be -4 or -5... and those are both values that you can reduce to 0 with the current Edicts WITHOUT any titles at all. Pick things in just the right order, and you can replicate that scenario on Normal Mode.

Stat Growth is NOT as punishing on Normal Mode as it is on Prisoner Mode, which means that on your very first run, you could, theoretically, turtle up, buy every Edict you'd want, and only THEN move out to do terrible things to the Prison.

Let's not forget that this would, theoretically, allow you to farm every single Accessory in the game before you ever leave the office, and the stat growth is not extreme enough to ensure that most prisoners won't start to fap on the spot with that much Charm build-up.
 

Neriel

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Because, once that's done, you have to leave that save permanently, no fun allowed. The right word I suppose is " No lollygagging".

You can only have fun with the minigames a few time a savefile instead of whenever you want, what's the fun ?

Sure I can beat prisoner mode easily right now, but then I'll be left with nothing to do except for restarting or grinding titles, Jesus...
I would assume, that once you beat the complete game, you enter an endless mode, so you can continue to play the save as long as you want. Now I don't have proof that this is going to happen but it just seems to obvious for this game, to be not a thing.
 

Yukihirou

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Let's not forget that this would, theoretically, allow you to farm every single Accessory in the game before you ever leave the office, and the stat growth is not extreme enough to ensure that most prisoners won't start to fap on the spot with that much Charm build-up.
Sadly, as enemy level up, they also level their endurance/horny bar, it's really hard to get enemies to masturbate to Karryn once she enter level 2 and 3.
The only reliable way is to get them strip you naked + horny status.
 

Yukihirou

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Do the enemies actually scale with days passed as opposed with Karryn's level? Because that could lead to some serious powercreep issues...
Check this Mamaboii's post out :
https://f95zone.to/threads/karryns-prison-v0-6j-remtairy.33777/page-254#post-3672156

Enemy's max level seems to be 79 or 80 right now. Not sure how this works for the wanted inmates but I suppose their level are way more than 80.

However, you don't have to worry about that anymore, just rush B, yes, rush the big B.
 
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Do the enemies actually scale with days passed as opposed with Karryn's level? Because that could lead to some serious powercreep issues...
Standard enemies scale with days passed, which is an issue with the beta release we have now. There's likely to be no / a very high player level cap in the final version.

So it's really only an issue if you grind a massive number of days in the current version and want to carry that save forward.
 

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Is there a way to edit RemtairyKarrynReceptionist.js in a way so that there is allways a goblin present?
 

Yukihirou

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Standard enemies scale with days passed, which is an issue with the beta release we have now. There's likely to be no / a very high player level cap in the final version.

So it's really only an issue if you grind a massive number of days in the current version and want to carry that save forward.
High player level means even more higher enemy level.
 
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