Ren'Py Abandoned False Hero [v0.39.1 Beta] [Enyo Eerie]

[ut1stgear1]

I think that many of the complaints are unfounded especially when it comes to content. I have not quite finished v 0.03 but have seen a lot of new content. Anyone who has decided to just skip dialog is totally missing that new content. Those who don't like the change in direction of some of the characters I think are valid from POV that they don't like it.

I personally like that Enyo Eerie has separated some character events into at least 2 map locations is a very good thing.

I have always disliked the fast corruption of Tiff in this game. That really hasn't changed.

Repeating my earlier comment about it taking 7 mos to do this update doesn't bother me in the least. Not only did the entire UI have to be rewritten but most of the dialog had to be rewritten to match the new direction of some of the characters.

I do think that this has been much closer to a kinetic novel than a visual novel in that even though there are choices they don't seem to make a lot if any difference in the outcomes of events although that may change with future updates.

Overall I am solidly on the fence with the changes. The images and the few animations are still way above average and I see some improvement in those. I am disappointed the Enyo Eerie was not able to get to the images for the twins but it doesn't upset me.

This is not the update we need to be overly concerned with but the following ones to find out if Enyo Eerie is able to pull off his new direction with the game.

 

[Yamakasi20]

wow, what an absolute masterpiece of a game.
How did I not see it till now?

0.30 since 2017... ouch

 

[cxx]

0.30 since 2017... ouch

not 0.30 since 2017, from 2017 to 2020 has had several updates and 0.30 is ~week old.

 

[Ceesko]

The game has been reworked and rehashed so many times for 3 years. Every update the plot changes. Zero scenes since 2017, not a single handjob or sex scene. Just some light petting and some nudes.. That is basically the way it has been for 3 years.

 

[Ceesko]

Adding grind elements do not count as updates. If you have to do the same thing over and over again to get a scene this is a boner killer. The dev forget that this was supposed to be an Adult VN?

 

[ut1stgear1]

I have started the last two routes in the game, Jane and the twins. I am no longer on the fence. When I finish the game I fear that Enyo Eerie may have dug a hole he will have a very difficult time filling back in. The MC is no longer a manipulator but has multiple personalities, bully with Jane, a seducee, not seducer of the twins, almost a rapist of Tiff and right now a peeper of Lucy. His ego won't let him recognise that like the narcissist he is though.

That said I think the game is salvageable with a lot of effort. So my needle has moved to left of center, not sure how much. Next few updates will be very telling.

Anyway Enyo Eerie has stated that he has the game where he likes it so we can only wait to see where he goes with it. I will finish this update and wait for the next one.

Edit: Just realised that for being a well educated and successful psychologist he doesn't have a clue of how he himself is being manipulated and seduced by the female characters with the possible exception of Tiff and maybe Lucy, need more info on her.

 

[Watcher X]

Adding grind elements do not count as updates. If you have to do the same thing over and over again to get a scene this is a boner killer. The dev forget that this was supposed to be an Adult VN?

It's not so much a grind, there are no stats you need to increase to move the game forward like most sandboxes. The issue is the timing, with most events happening at noon it just means constantly cycling through the days. It's incredibly tedious and unnecessary. There is no reason the Melanie, Jane and half the twins events all have to happen at noon.

If it was paced better you can easily have 3 different events a day, making the flow so much smoother. And it screws the story, Lucy is only supposed to stay a week and she ends up staying months doing nothing just because we have to cycle days endlessly.

 

[Enyo_]

The scene where the manager tries to feel up Ashley looks to be removed. Is that being returned in later updates? I was hoping Sebastien would kill the manager, quietly dispose of the body and take over running the cafe.

I liked that it was thugs and not a random skating accident. It gave the story more insidious undertones. Was it a random mugging or was it gangsters trying to force the girls out of the cafe for some nefarious reasons. It's the unanswered shades of gray that I miss from the story lines. I wanted Sebastien to use his cunning and intellect to save the day, not put band-aids on some bruises after a bike accident.

About the only thing to remain untouched after this 're-vamp' is the Jane story, which is fine. So far it is hard to see anything as an improvement. I'm hoping you prove me wrong and this game returns to being the superior and clever story it once was. I'm hoping to see more thoughtful character development, which is what drew me into this game, and less perving on girls in the bathroom.

Yes, it will return. The possibility of disposing of the manager is possible. Will see about that

I understand what you're trying to say. Unfortunately, my opinion about what I like and what I want to create significantly changed. Before I really liked dark content. Now I don't. It is important for the creator to enjoy his project and I want to be passionate about it. I understand that I disappointed a lot of people with my changes. I knew it would happen, but at this point, nothing can be changed. It was a well-considered decision.

 

[SultanOfSwing]

Blue balling at it's peak

 

[Enyo_]

Others have already explained this pretty well, but it seems you aren't quite understanding why the change to Melanie is getting this reaction from those of us who have played your game for a while.

Melanie's character and darker storyline was interesting and exciting to us pervs because of the reluctance, and how excellently the MC manipulated/blackmailed her to open up. Yes, she was kind of a "victim," but that's the dark element that made this game different. Are you trying to appease the feminists!?? Now that you've turned her into another easy completely willing target you've completely lost what made this game great, and what you advertised this game on...CORRUPTION. There's no corruption happening if Melanie just jumps on board immediately - this is no different than every other game out there where the characters all do that.

The netori with Mark was another part of Melanie's story that was great (particularly the TV scenes), but I guess that's gone too Come to think of it, you also changed the netori component of Lucy's storyline...now she's just another roommate hookup which happens in sooo many other games already.

Seriously do you really not get the disappointment? You said this was the "best corruption game," and it WAS. Then you decided to change the part that you did BEST about the game. This is frustrating because you literally said that you weren't going to change the manipulation/blackmail part of Melanie's storyline. There's already tons of cheating games on F95, but few good corruption games. I feel like you're getting some bad advice from people on your discord.

Enyo, you've said that you would focus solely on new content many times already

Also, the people complaining about too much teasing were saying they want more lewd content, because there was very little in previous versions. You responded to that by removing the only two sex scenes actually in the game From what I have read, the people complaining about things "moving too fast" are about the characters (like Melanie) being too "easy," these are two different things. Most people liked Melanie's reluctance and the Twins/Tiffany's innocence. If you've changed that they lose their allure. This doesn't mean we don't want to see more nude/sex scenes though. Your game already has the least amount of lewd content of any that I've seen...


What happened to Lois becoming a new patient? That was another hot idea you teased in the last version of the game. You keep coming up with these great original ideas, and then inexplicably change them.

This is a great explanation for why the change to Melanie is disappointing. I hope Enyo reads this and re-thinks this!

Enyo Eerie I don't mean to be a dick with my complaints, and I know it's your game and you can do whatever you want with it, but hopefully you understand why some of us are annoyed. We've followed and supported your game for a long time, through all of your changes, flip-flopping, and promises...and then after 7 months, not only is there little new content, but you drastically change one of the best parts of your game, and the reason why I've waited so long for the update. There's already tons of other games with nice renders (and animations) that tell similar cheating/hooking up with roommate stories...The dark corruption is the ONE thing that distinguishes your game from all of the others. I think you've made a big mistake

So, guys. Here is the big one:

I just want to explain why I did what I did. If someone will understand, I'd be glad. If not, it's perfectly okay too.

I started False Hero because I wanted to create the game I'd like to play. Heavy corruption, dark vibes. This is what I liked at the moment. But right now I just don't want to play games like that anymore. That's why I removed it.

I removed it not because I wanted to change Melanie's personality, to please someone else's tastes etc. Just because I didn't like it anymore. I can't create things I don't like.

(Important to say that I don't like how sebastien blackmails melanie not the fetish in general)

Thanks for the reply,

But I guess we just disagree then, Melanie before was not just an empty doll, she was a closeted slutty woman who stuffed it all down to have a nice family life with a nice husband; but she was lacking that excitement and sexuality from before (NOT a doll). Sebastien was forcing a lot of these "tasks" on her and pushing the boundaries (especially in the beginning) BUT eventually Melanie begins to like the feelings and I'm assuming if you had kept the same story would have eventually become very slutty again and taken an ACTIVE role in her own corruption (and her daughters?). Melanie not wanting to be slutty again, to being (slightly forced) to become slutty again was the draw to me, this is also what made this game NTR (or netori) to be honest; a main part of the draw is that it is against their will (at least in the beginning).

In this regard the game was better, I must agree. I also liked the vibe it had. But I have to sacrifice it for the sake of all other events that I plan at school. And most importantly for Melanie/Tiffany and Melanie/Tiffany/Sebastien content, which is the most important thing for me. With blackmail all the things I have planned just didn't work. Good mom will never trust her daughter to a man who is blackmailing her. With blackmail we would never see any Melanie/Tiffany/Sebastien scenes. Only if it would be some crazy mind break of Melanie OR Sebastien would start to blackmail both of the girls. It would be too painful I think.

I agree about this too: "Now that Melanie is willingly participating from the beginning kills part of the thrill (for me"
The game became much simpler in terms of tension etc. Although, you need to notice that it became better in all other aspects. I definitely lose smth. from the previous versions. And it's inevitable when you're redoing something. But my opinion about dark content has changed. In my opinion, the previous content was too painful. I don't know how you feel about it, but as a creator it wasn't an enjoyment for me. Believe me, guys if I'd continue to do as dark as I wanted it to be, this story would be the saddest shit you're ever read. It was only the beginning. Metamorphosis by Shindol would be a child play in comparison to me.

Now to BigDaddyDom.
I'm not disappointed. I didn't like the blackmail of Sebastien. (He acted too much like a dick.) I decided to remove it. DO NOT WORRY! The main quality of my game is corruption and it will never go away. I just improved the pace of it. Corruption is not only about blackmail, rape or other stuff for me. If the girl is interested in you it doesn't immediately make her a slut, it doesn't mean that she can't be corrupted further.

Also most of the corruption content I planned for Melanie in school. Mel's house content is only a warm up. With Lucy there will be a huge corruption part in her actress career. For me right now it's not important when mc won the hearts of the girls. It is more important what he is going to do next.

I didn't like the boring, grindy, and slow start of both Lucy and Melanie's routes, so I changed that.

“Enyo, you've said that you would focus solely on new content many times already... Your game already has the least amount of lewd content of any that I've seen... ”

Yes. I overestimated my capabilities.


"What happened to Lois becoming a new patient? That was another hot idea you teased in the last version of the game. You keep coming up with these great original ideas, and then inexplicably change them."

Yes. I didn't like it either. I haven't been able to get her storyline into False Hero, so I decided to hide her for now.

P.S. Let's be honest, guys. The personality of Melanie or Lucy didn't change. I wrote these characters and I know how they react and what they will do. Melanie was always like that as well as Lucy. The only thing that changed are circumstances in which I put the characters in order to make a story faster. Twins and Tiffany didn't change for sure. All this discussion started because:

1) I dropped this update with a lot of changes out of nowhere. Didn't warn you about any changes, didn't prepare you for it, didn't share a difficult process that the game was undergoing. Reading all your comments, I understand that I made a big mistake by not sharing with you, guys, my complaints.

I was too sure that what I do is better and you will immediately feel it, despite all other great things that my previous versions had. But this is my job as a patreon developer not only to create a game but communicate with the community. And I did a poor job with that.

2) You liked the dark vibe, especially blackmail. I removed it. It's sad. I'm really sad too and also angry with myself that I can't be consistent. And sometimes I wonder. What the fuck?

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Where are my balls now? But nothing I can do. I have changed.

 

[Enyo_]

Ummm... I thought game improvements is good _-_ Even if it's bathrooms. If I wouldn't improve the game, this is how my game would look like:



Also if bathroom look like this:


We can't get the event like this:


And as I said before. No redoing now. Pinky promise.

 

[binglebangles]

When I first played, I envisioned a Sebastien who burned the match at both ends and was left with nothing ... maybe guilt if he were capable of feeling anything.

I appreciate how forthcoming you are and you obviously care about your project. Overall, its a kick ass story that I'll be happy to see go in any direction (except backwards haha I kid). Art is top notch. Character models are A+.

 

[Enyo_]

But Tiffany took off her blouse and went to the bathroom to clean up. It would be super uncomfortably weird if a complete stranger Lucy was in there as well.

Yes, thank you for noticing it. I forgot to insert the text I prepared for this moment into the code (((

 

[Enyo_]

Adding grind elements do not count as updates. If you have to do the same thing over and over again to get a scene this is a boner killer. The dev forget that this was supposed to be an Adult VN?

Strange. In my opinion the game had more grind before.

 

[Enyo_]

Lots of different feedback after the last update, well here's mine.

Stop paying attention to feedback during a year at least, do several updates how you want your game to be and move on.

Some people will love it and some will hate it, you can't please everyone.

It's good advice. Fortunately, I really like feedback. For example jamdan pointed out that a lot of girls turned out to be perverts. It happened a bit accidently. Now I'll do small fixes(NOTHING SERIOUS! Just some sentences here and there) And this advice is very important. Although, you're right, I try to hear people's feedback, but at the same time stay true to my vision and what I want to create. Let's see what we will have in the end.

 

[Enyo_]

I don't know what did he do for 2+ years, but dev...where is content?!

 

[Mmarsh]

No at communication level you are great. You reply to each and every one whether it is in favour or against. You take criticism positively.
It's great that you like your story now. But faster updates is necessity now.

 

[Mmarsh]

You have a lot of planned content for every route but you have to check that in how much time it can be delivered. Plan a chart in how much time all planned content will be completed.

 

[ohhaiguize]

In this regard the game was better, I must agree. I also liked the vibe it had. But I have to sacrifice it for the sake of all other events that I plan at school. And most importantly for Melanie/Tiffany and Melanie/Tiffany/Sebastien content, which is the most important thing for me. With blackmail all the things I have planned just didn't work. Good mom will never trust her daughter to a man who is blackmailing her. With blackmail we would never see any Melanie/Tiffany/Sebastien scenes. Only if it would be some crazy mind break of Melanie OR Sebastien would start to blackmail both of the girls. It would be too painful I think.

I agree about this too: "Now that Melanie is willingly participating from the beginning kills part of the thrill (for me"
The game became much simpler in terms of tension etc. Although, you need to notice that it became better in all other aspects. I definitely lose smth. from the previous versions. And it's inevitable when you're redoing something. But my opinion about dark content has changed. In my opinion, the previous content was too painful. I don't know how you feel about it, but as a creator it wasn't an enjoyment for me.

Thanks for the reply Enyo Eerie ,
I take your point about the sharing tiff with Sébastien being tough if she is being blackmailed, I believe it could still be done somehow but if thats not what you wanted to do then ok I get it.
Also I understand if the way you wrote it before isn't what you want to make anymore, like I said, your the creator so you make the final calls, I'm still just going to express my opinion and maybe be let down, but I respect your work. I'm glad you take the time to interact with us here and on your discord, it shows maturity and a willingness to defend your choices or maybe improve your work with good feedback. Thanks again for making this game ❤

P.s. this ultra dark enyo game doesn't sound too bad (suicide shown for bad endings or wrong choices?). If your tastes ever change back in all in for that game

 

[BigDaddyDom]

So, guys. Here is the big one:

I just want to explain why I did what I did. If someone will understand, I'd be glad. If not, it's perfectly okay too.

I started False Hero because I wanted to create the game I'd like to play. Heavy corruption, dark vibes. This is what I liked at the moment. But right now I just don't want to play games like that anymore. That's why I removed it.

I removed it not because I wanted to change Melanie's personality, to please someone else's tastes etc. Just because I didn't like it anymore. I can't create things I don't like.

(Important to say that I don't like how sebastien blackmails melanie not the fetish in general)





In this regard the game was better, I must agree. I also liked the vibe it had. But I have to sacrifice it for the sake of all other events that I plan at school. And most importantly for Melanie/Tiffany and Melanie/Tiffany/Sebastien content, which is the most important thing for me. With blackmail all the things I have planned just didn't work. Good mom will never trust her daughter to a man who is blackmailing her. With blackmail we would never see any Melanie/Tiffany/Sebastien scenes. Only if it would be some crazy mind break of Melanie OR Sebastien would start to blackmail both of the girls. It would be too painful I think.

I agree about this too: "Now that Melanie is willingly participating from the beginning kills part of the thrill (for me"
The game became much simpler in terms of tension etc. Although, you need to notice that it became better in all other aspects. I definitely lose smth. from the previous versions. And it's inevitable when you're redoing something. But my opinion about dark content has changed. In my opinion, the previous content was too painful. I don't know how you feel about it, but as a creator it wasn't an enjoyment for me. Believe me, guys if I'd continue to do as dark as I wanted it to be, this story would be the saddest shit you're ever read. It was only the beginning. Metamorphosis by Shindol would be a child play in comparison to me.

Now to BigDaddyDom.
I'm not disappointed. I didn't like the blackmail of Sebastien. (He acted too much like a dick.) I decided to remove it. DO NOT WORRY! The main quality of my game is corruption and it will never go away. I just improved the pace of it. Corruption is not only about blackmail, rape or other stuff for me. If the girl is interested in you it doesn't immediately make her a slut, it doesn't mean that she can't be corrupted further.

Also most of the corruption content I planned for Melanie in school. Mel's house content is only a warm up. With Lucy there will be a huge corruption part in her actress career. For me right now it's not important when mc won the hearts of the girls. It is more important what he is going to do next.

I didn't like the boring, grindy, and slow start of both Lucy and Melanie's routes, so I changed that.

“Enyo, you've said that you would focus solely on new content many times already... Your game already has the least amount of lewd content of any that I've seen... ”

Yes. I overestimated my capabilities.


"What happened to Lois becoming a new patient? That was another hot idea you teased in the last version of the game. You keep coming up with these great original ideas, and then inexplicably change them."

Yes. I didn't like it either. I haven't been able to get her storyline into False Hero, so I decided to hide her for now.

P.S. Let's be honest, guys. The personality of Melanie or Lucy didn't change. I wrote these characters and I know how they react and what they will do. Melanie was always like that as well as Lucy. The only thing that changed are circumstances in which I put the characters in order to make a story faster. Twins and Tiffany didn't change for sure. All this discussion started because:

1) I dropped this update with a lot of changes out of nowhere. Didn't warn you about any changes, didn't prepare you for it, didn't share a difficult process that the game was undergoing. Reading all your comments, I understand that I made a big mistake by not sharing with you, guys, my complaints.

I was too sure that what I do is better and you will immediately feel it, despite all other great things that my previous versions had. But this is my job as a patreon developer not only to create a game but communicate with the community. And I did a poor job with that.

2) You liked the dark vibe, especially blackmail. I removed it. It's sad. I'm really sad too and also angry with myself that I can't be consistent. And sometimes I wonder. What the fuck?

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Where are my balls now? But nothing I can do. I have changed.

Ok, so you intentionally changed the entire vibe of your game, and you're not changing it back.

It's your game, and you can do what you want, put please don't say that the characters didn't change...when the MC acts and makes decision in a completely different way for a completely different purpose and the female characters react in completely different ways, then YES their characters DID change.

I get it and respect the fact that "you have changed" and are no longer interested in the dark storylines (how does somebody's interests change that much so fast??)...but you built and advertised your game based on that, and attracted many of your supporters based on that.

I'm really glad I waited to become a patron for your game because I would be so pissed to have paid for 2.5 years for a dark corruption game only to have it changed to something completely different. Your game to do with as you please, but stop selling it as a corruption game when the MC is getting manipulated more than the LI's themselves!