VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.201] [Lust & Passion]

[Mamonetti]

In the end I can totally see the GW path being superior to the Filthy path. The trouble with AWAM has been that through its slow development many players drift towards the filthy path just to get some content. Yes, there is sex on the GW path and I don't want to discount that, but I think we would all agree that in real-time the Filthy path has more content. If this game were complete, I would probably be playing it very differently.

Regardless of the development pace, it would make sense if we just had a decision point at the beginning of the game where we had to choose between GW and Filthy (with lesbian being optional in both cases). This way the story would be developed in a very different way for each route but with both being interesting.

I know it would be less flexible, but it would close the eternal discussion about who's filthy/lesbian, the player who's made a specific decision or Sophia once the train is on and there's no way to stop it.

Right now L&P seems to be prioritizing the filthy/lesbian routes probably due to the pressure of the patrons, and it has its consequences on the gw route, as expected.

Regards

 

[Old Dog]

That's right, Liam has a negative attitude towards Carl. Swinging is out of the question. Only someone outside the family.

Liam doesn't like carl and yes that is true and Carl made up a rule for Patricia that she can do whatever as long no dick touches her pussy.

 

[Mamonetti]

That's right, Liam has a negative attitude towards Carl. Swinging is out of the question. Only someone outside the family.

Yes, but he likes Patricia and Carl likes Sophia. Both men would get the woman they want in case of swinging.

 

[Old Dog]

Regardless of the development pace, it would make sense if we just had a decision point at the beginning of the game where we had to choose between GW and Filthy (with lesbian being optional in both cases). This way the story would be developed in a very different way for each route but with both being interesting.

I know it would be less flexible, but it would close the eternal discussion about who's filthy/lesbian, the player who's made a specific decision or Sophia once the train is on and there's no way to stop it.

Right now L&P seems to be prioritizing the filthy/lesbian routes probably due to the pressure of the patrons, and it has its consequences on the gw route, as expected.

Regards

I agree with you about the decision point at the beginning of the game it would of been a nice idea.

 

[Old Dog]

Yes, but he likes Patricia and Carl likes Sophia. Both men would get the woman they want in case of swinging.

Liam likes Patricia in a sexual! I am not too sure about that.

 

[Mamonetti]

Liam likes Patricia in a sexual! I am not too sure about that.

Liam wants to fuck Patricia as much as Carl wants to fuck Sophia, that's where a sort of deal between them might trigger the swingers thing.

 

[Old Dog]

Liam wants to fuck Patricia as much as Carl wants to fuck Sophia, that's where a sort of deal between them might trigger the swingers thing.

What do you base this theory on

 

[Mamonetti]

What do you base this theory on

As you said before, Liam likes Patricia in a sexual way (wants to fuck her). On the other hand, remember the scene at Carl's home when he started to flirt with Sophia, probably trying to seduce her in order to do some dirty things, maybe even a threesome with Patricia+Sophia.

 

[Old Dog]

As you said before, Liam likes Patricia in a sexual way (wants to fuck her). On the other hand, remember the scene at Carl's home when he started to flirt with Sophia, probably trying to seduce her in order to do some dirty things, maybe even a threesome with Patricia+Sophia.

I am still not convinced that Liam wants to fuck Patricia but yes Carl flirted with Sophia but I have seen no evidence that Liam wants to fuck Patricia,that I can remember.

 

[codex35]

I am still not convinced that Liam wants to fuck Patricia but yes Carl flirted with Sophia but I have seen no evidence that Liam wants to fuck Patricia,that I can remember.

I don't know man. I think everyone wants to fuck Patricia

 

[Old Dog]

If Sophia gets this bad after a week how did they manage to stay married for almost 18 years?

At least Liam is up to 6 minutes now so he is improving.

 

[Mamonetti]

If Sophia gets this bad after a week how did they manage to stay married for almost 18 years?
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At least Liam is up to 6 minutes now so he is improving.

Having children usually has a lot to do with this. Your priorities change for some time, but there's a moment when the kids start to get independent and.. you know, a standard midlife crisis that leads to cheating, divorce or people simply living unsatisfied, that's the oldest story of the book.

In my country this is known as La crisis de los 40 (the crisis of people in their forties), a decade when children start to get of age and parents start to reconsider what they're doing (or what they're going to do) with their lives.

Regards

 

[nexer]

Having children usually has a lot to do with this. Your priorities change for some time, but there's a moment when the kids start to get independent and.. you know, a standard midlife crisis that leads to cheating, divorce or people simply living unsatisfied, that's the oldest story of the book.

In my country this is know as La crisis de los 40 (the crisis of people in their forties), a decade when children start to get of age and the parents start to reconsider what they're doing (or what they're going to do) with their lives.

Regards

L&P's story is quite consistent.

 

[Mamonetti]

L&P's story is quite consistent.

Indeed. Sophia and Liam are in the exact moment I mentioned (in their forties and with Ellie and Dylan getting of age). Liam is focused on his job but Sophia has already started to ask herself What now?.

 

[winini]

I wonder what triggered Ellie's "interest" in Sophia? Dylan seems to have Oedipus complex and Patricia is just fooling around. but what's the deal with Ellie?

 

[Mamonetti]

I wonder what triggered Ellie's "interest" in Sophia? Dylan seems to have Oedipus complex and Patricia is just fooling around. but what's the deal with Ellie?

You're right about Dylan.

As for Ellie, it's also common the case of people who mix up the concepts of wanting to be like someone and wanting to be with someone.

For Ellie, Sophia is a reference. She's told Sophia that she'd like to be like her, and probably she wasn't just speaking about her body. Ellie wants to be as strong, independent, smart, attractive and experienced as her mother.

 

[winini]

You're right about Dylan.

As for Ellie, it's also common the case of people who mix up the concepts of wanting to be like someone and wanting to be with someone.

For Ellie, Sophia is a reference. She's told Sophia that she'd like to be like her, and probably she wasn't just speaking about her body. Ellie wants to be as strong, independent, smart, attractive and experienced as her mother.

Yes, it seems like Ellie put Sophia on very high pedestal but what triggered physical attraction? Was it the kiss between Sophia and Patricia? or it was something before that? She probably understand that what they are doing is wrong but still pushes Sophia in that direction.

It seems like Ellie also didn't think too highly about Liam and probably sees him as unworthy of Sophia.

 

[Mamonetti]

Yes, it seems like Ellie put Sophia on very high pedestal but what triggered physical attraction? Was it the kiss between Sophia and Patricia? or it was something before that? She probably understand that what they are doing is wrong but still pushes Sophia in that direction.

Ellie confessed that she was jealous about Sophia's big breasts. So definitely there was something else before the kiss between Sophia and Patricia, although this kiss might be the trigger, that's true.

It seems like Ellie also didn't think too highly about Liam and probably sees him as unworthy of Sophia.

Sure thing.

 

[yedwoo]

I thought he promised to have an assistant what happened with that

 

[PaxHadrian17]

You're right about Dylan.

As for Ellie, it's also common the case of people who mix up the concepts of wanting to be like someone and wanting to be with someone.

For Ellie, Sophia is a reference. She's told Sophia that she'd like to be like her, and probably she wasn't just speaking about her body. Ellie wants to be as strong, independent, smart, attractive and experienced as her mother.

I think Ellie's interest evolved when she and Julia kissed. Ellie realized that she actually had an interest in another woman and what did that mean for her? Add in that Ellie and Julia knew that Sophia was spying on them and did not shame them for their actions and Ellie got curious about Sophia's intentions. Finally - the club get together where Sophia and Patricia kissed was really sexy and Ellie's curiosity started turning into a need to know. Did Sophia think she was pretty... if she Loved Patricia enough to kiss her, does she Love Ellie enough to do the same. They looked like they really enjoyed the kiss so... would Ellie enjoy kissing Sophia and would she enjoy kissing Ellie in return. This began as a small snowball called 'I wonder...' slowly rolling down hill and it has evolved into a large snow boulder called 'I Need to Know' rapidly bounding down the slopes. I think that Ellie is now looking at Sophia as a sexual being with her own needs and does not see only her Mother. Ellie's Need to Know is also something she is giving more free rein to as she Totally trusts Sophia and Knows that she will not betray Ellie's feelings and explorations to anyone else. Ellie's reveal that she is a virgin and is just trying to fit in is a sweet and honest revelation showing vulnerability and trust to the One person she knows will not let her down - Sophia.