VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [Dr PinkCake]

[shazba]

godkingxerxes reminded me in an early comment about Jill's horses.
Imagine if DPC makes like a horse/ranch mini game where you have to feed horses and paint fences
It's like...your literally shoveling horse crap

Wasn't there a "mini game" in RDR2 where you had to do that...?

This is true. But Hazeti made this good point earlier about this major decision being used to shape the MC's character.
And I kind of like that. But we shall see, it'd be neat though if we got anything from that exchange though like if MC bumps into Steve at some point in the game and we can see him react according to whatever action we took like Troy did when you bump into him at the cafeteria.

I felt that CHICK/DIK affinity reaction to walking away or being nice to Steve was one of the strangest ones.

He was such a cunt the whole time the mc worked there. How many people in real life would have a heart to heart with such a guy just cause they saw him sniveling.

I don't think walking away was really much of a DIK move. Walking up to him, kicking him in the balls, and then walking away, perhaps...

So 30-50% means 30%, 60-75% means 60%... but why even put the higher percentage out there? The fact is that these numbers were never realistic in the first place, but people do get hyped up at the higher numbers (which were ambitious at best and plain false at worse), and DPC is working in an industry where hype=patrons. People may not subscribe if they think a game is 4 months out, but make it seem like it's 6 weeks away and people will sign up. Again, all credit to the game, but the marketing - unrealistic/untruthful numbers and unneccessarily extended release times - is bullshit.

I love the game, but I hate what is becoming of the business model.

No dude... I outlined the aggressive, middle ground and conservative estimates, and they were all kinda OK (the aggressive estimate being the least accurate).

But if someone gives you a ranged estimate to their progress on something, you can:

• Determine the most expedient date of their completion at the risk of being disappointed when they don't achieve it,
• calculate the least expedient date of completion with the possible bonus of being pleasantly surprised when they deliver early; or
• take it as a ballpark estimate and just chill out...

But to get cynical that a guy is bullshitting his estimates to simply get more patrons, when it is so hard to actually give an accurate estimate early in development, is just being jaded (and that's not the same thing as being "Jaded" )...

DPC's estimate range has narrowed as he has come closer to completion. His updates are regulator and open, and you're whining about his business model? What the fuck are you expecting?

 

[Sodapops]

When is the next update?

 

[Deleted member 2528490]

When is the next update?

It just dropped.

 

[Casmyr]

When is the next update?

It just dropped we're waiting for someone to upload it

 

[Warscared]

Yeah I glossed over that. Im not here to write/read essays on a porn game.
Also how is he the bad guy? We haven't even spoken to him yet. Everyone thought josys dad was a scumbag because he took away her phone but really.
Imagine coming home and your daughters banging some guy on your bed.

i believe that is a fantasy that some games here reflect ...

I wouldn't say people were that harsh about Josy's Dad, plus there's a world of difference between taking your daughter's phone and being a homophobic bigot trying to force your daughter to renounce their sexual orientation through coercion. One is being a strict parent, and the other is scumbaggery of the highest order and trying to defend it makes those people look just as bad.

i will bite here and clearly state that even if it makes me look bad i will always give everyone their fair chance! Virtue is not stated but lived and to pass judgement on people without giving their point of view seems nice but its despicable!

consider that up until the 00`s that is exactly the same attitude that people took towards gays, they opposed it without knowing the human being behind the label because it was the society safe route! just because the roles have reversed does not make it any less unfair or tolerable for those who believe in freedom!

I've got a daughter that is about to enter her teenage years, does the thought that I might need to buy a gun make me a bad guy?

get a hunters license and make sure the gun needs a cleansing when the dudes start showing up to take her on dates! i have been trough that shit and at that time it scared the shit out of me and kept me honest... it kept me honest but not her !

Huh never thought about that. She has sex with us on her parent's bed while subsequently cheating on Maya at the same time. Remind me why she chose her parent's bed of all places?

it was her rebelling against her former life and getting back at everything shitty in her life! her fathers house and bed is a fuck you to peter for picking monica and divorcing her mother! she fucking and cheating on Maya is a fuck you to all the pain that love as put her trough! and ofc the MC is a fuck you to society she will screw a poor dude that treats her well over a rich asshole that only wants to use her!

You know if I were Maya's father, I would at least be proud that my daughter has good tastes.

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that is stupid bullshit if Wendy took care of herself instead of trying to look terrifying she would be decent looking all she needs is some love and a freaking diet and exercise schedule!
not that it matters i had worse then her the looks gets you there but its the person that makes you stay and some not so attractive girls can get beneath your skin with time and they are amazing people once you get into a relationship! Beauty as its function but its hardly enough to build a relationship around!

Only if we can squeeze in a few D&G sessions in between the farm work....oh and a "doors" montage too! Maybe some student tuition drama MC has to solve while we are at it.

Meanwhile Jill tending the horses...

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that is one attractive horse and i bet he can compete on the footlong department with the MC!

 

[wombat123480808]

Hi guys, I have an error, what should I do?

It shows:


When I press rollback:

I'm sorry, but an uncaught exception occurred.

While running game code:
File "renpy/common/00start.rpy", line 265, in script
python:
File "renpy/common/00start.rpy", line 265, in script
python:
File "renpy/common/00start.rpy", line 269, in <module>
renpy.call_in_new_context("_main_menu")
KeyError: u'_main_menu_screen'

 

[wombat123480808]

Is it possible to play both the chick and dik mode at the same time (with the mod)?

 

[shazba]

I'm going to set the matter straight with Maya's father.

It's not about what the father thinks or what his views are. That doesn't make him evil. (Ethics)

His actions that come from his views or thinking are Evil and therefore he is Evil. (Morality)
According to this, one could say that Maya's father's moral compass is fucked up.

I'm going to repeat myself now.

Ethics is the philosophical evaluation of morality.
Morality is the implementation.

And morality should always be re-evaluated by ethics, otherwise morality can take on unexpected exceptions.

As soon as pressure is built up in any way to influence a voluntary decision of another, there can no longer be any question of the person being able to make an unbiased decision. That person is no longer objective.

Now I'm just playing Devil's Advocate here, but:

• What if there is a Heaven and Hell?
• What if gays go to Hell?
• What if Maya's dad could save her from Hell?

Now I don't believe in the affirmative of any of the questions I've just asked, but guess who does? Maya's dad.

How is he evil in trying every means at his disposal to save his daughter's eternal soul? Religious people believe that kinda shit, that's why people die for their religion and stuff.

And for the record, what if I'm wrong, and there really is a Heaven and Hell...? Man, I'm fucked...

 

[Arigon]

I'm going to set the matter straight with Maya's father.

It's not about what the father thinks or what his views are. That doesn't make him evil. (Ethics)

His actions that come from his views or thinking are Evil and therefore he is Evil. (Morality)
According to this, one could say that Maya's father's moral compass is fucked up.

I'm going to repeat myself now.

Ethics is the philosophical evaluation of morality.
Morality is the implementation.

And morality should always be re-evaluated by ethics, otherwise morality can take on unexpected exceptions.

As soon as pressure is built up in any way to influence a voluntary decision of another, there can no longer be any question of the person being able to make an unbiased decision. That person is no longer objective.

So I want to state the above more user friendly....
Beliefs, thoughts, "morals" which are internal to the individual(NOT morality) and the internal building blocks to support belief all fall under ethics. Those last include upbringing, religious beliefs, political beliefs, and preferences.
Morality is (according to the poster) the implementation of the internal structures which form the implementation actions...

So philosophy 101 would have some issues with the above statement, but would also have some agreements.
Maya's father is apparently a willing tool of religion. This indicates that his locus of control is external to his own psyche and that he has the freedom to act on the predicated actions, because they are not his own actions, but those dictated by an external controlling force, in this case his church or religion.
He chooses to exercise the inner feelings he has, based on the approval of his locus of control on those beliefs and actions.
This makes Maya's father weak, and despicable. He is not owning his prejudice or malice, he is acting on it based on what some baseless frappery is being pushed on him by an ultra conservative, neo Neanderthal organization. This is his kid, and instead of loving and supporting his own flesh and blood, he hides behind the prejudice of an outdated set of rules which have no place in the modern world.....
Peace

 

[Deleted member 2528490]

Now I'm just playing Devil's Advocate here, but:

• What if there is a Heaven and Hell?
• What if gays go to Hell?
• What if Maya's dad could save her from Hell?

Now I don't believe in the affirmative of any of the questions I've just asked, but guess who does? Maya's dad.

How is he evil in trying every means at his disposal to save his daughter's eternal soul? Religious people believe that kinda shit, that's why people die for their religion and stuff.

And for the record, what if I'm wrong, and there really is a Heaven and Hell...? Man, I'm fucked...

I think evil is a bit too strong a word to be used here to begin with. But whatever.

Your DA argument is based on Daddio's intent. Thats irrelevant. Even if he believes he's doing it for Maya's benefit, to save her eternal soul, he's still dirtying his hands. He's tricked her with the student loan and is threatening to fuck up her entire future with debt over it. Its his actions that are evil, and thats what makes him a piece of shit.

The logic you're using in this post is the same justification those insane religious nutjob parents who kill their kids to save their souls use.

 

[felicemastronzo]

Now I'm just playing Devil's Advocate here, but:

• What if there is a Heaven and Hell?
• What if gays go to Hell?
• What if Maya's dad could save her from Hell?

Now I don't believe in the affirmative of any of the questions I've just asked, but guess who does? Maya's dad.

How is he evil in trying every means at his disposal to save his daughter's eternal soul? Religious people believe that kinda shit, that's why people die for their religion and stuff.

And for the record, what if I'm wrong, and there really is a Heaven and Hell...? Man, I'm fucked...

Actually cynically I can tell you that in many games Maya's father will have been right at the end of the game.

in how many games will Maya find out that actually being gay was just a phase and that actually her future is MC?

in how many games will Maya anyway eventually dump Josy (who seems to be for Maya's father the culprit of his daughter's "deviation")?

and it's not like Maya's a lesbian anyway...

 

[Deleted member 6239]

Is it possible to play both the chick and dik mode at the same time (with the mod)?

I recommend having seperate playthroughs though. It's a better experience that way. If you want to just see all the scenes I think with the mod you can unlock them all maybe.

 

[dalli_x]

So I want to state the above more user friendly....
Beliefs, thoughts, "morals" which are internal to the individual(NOT morality) and the internal building blocks to support belief all fall under ethics. Those last include upbringing, religious beliefs, political beliefs, and preferences.
Morality is (according to the poster) the implementation of the internal structures which form the implementation actions...

So philosophy 101 would have some issues with the above statement, but would also have some agreements.
Maya's father is apparently a willing tool of religion. This indicates that his locus of control is external to his own psyche and that he has the freedom to act on the predicated actions, because they are not his own actions, but those dictated by an external controlling force, in this case his church or religion.
He chooses to exercise the inner feelings he has, based on the approval of his locus of control on those beliefs and actions.
This makes Maya's father weak, and despicable. He is not owning his prejudice or malice, he is acting on it based on what some baseless frappery is being pushed on him by an ultra conservative, neo Neanderthal organization. This is his kid, and instead of loving and supporting his own flesh and blood, he hides behind the prejudice of an outdated set of rules which have no place in the modern world.....
Peace

The father is an individual and thus he can freely decide about his thoughts and actions.

Personally, I do not like religion very much. In the name of religion, many atrocities have been committed in the history of mankind and religion has set back the scientific development of mankind by centuries. I believe in God. But the Holy Books were written by people. The holy places were built by people. No human being knows what God expects or does not expect, and I refuse to believe that God wants people to hurt, oppress and humiliate each other.

To get back to the subject, yes Maya's father can be very religious (ethics) for all I care. But does it give him the right to force his beliefs (morals) on Maya?
Since his moral compass is determined by his beliefs, the father thinks he is in the right. But Maya has a different ethical philosophy, which is not in accordance with his morals, and thus the conflict arises. Maya's rights to live as an independent individual are restricted by the father and that is injustice. In Germany, this is even laid down by law.

In principle, in this question DPC plays with our moral and ethical values. And on the basis of this debate in the thread, you can see what moral and ethical convictions some participants in the discussion have. But I will not convict anyone here because of that.

 

[Arigon]

The father is an individual and thus he can freely decide about his thoughts and actions.

Personally, I do not like religion very much. In the name of religion, many atrocities have been committed in the history of mankind and religion has set back the scientific development of mankind by centuries. I believe in God. But the Holy Books were written by people. The holy places were built by people. No human being knows what God expects or does not expect, and I refuse to believe that God wants people to hurt, oppress and humiliate each other.

To get back to the subject, yes Maya's father can be very religious (ethics) for all I care. But does it give him the right to force his beliefs (morals) on Maya?
Since his moral compass is determined by his beliefs, the father thinks he is in the right. But Maya has a different ethical philosophy, which is not in accordance with his morals, and thus the conflict arises. Maya's rights to live as an independent individual are restricted by the father and that is injustice. In Germany, this is even laid down by law.

In principle, in this question DPC plays with our moral and ethical values. And on the basis of this debate in the thread, you can see what moral and ethical convictions some participants in the discussion have. But I will not convict anyone here because of that.

I commend this. I am not religious at all, and in fact in my youth I rebelled very hard, as my family is a family of preachers. They wanted me to follow that path, I chose science, and some of my family still do not speak to me. As far as I am concerned, everyone, EVERYONE, is free to be religious or not. That does not give them the right to push their belief on others. For that reason, I do not approve of Maya's father at all. I support Maya. As she is not my favorite girl, I will not spend weeks debating those who may differ on this, but I will say that I intend to try a Maya and Josy thruple if at all possible, and a Maya solo and Josy solo if those are possible. This will be long after I do my chose and preferred girl, which is Bella all the way. I will also see if I can thruple her with Jill.

Anyhow I enjoyed your post.
Peace

 

[shazba]

I think evil is a bit too strong a word to be used here to begin with. But whatever.

Your DA argument is based on Daddio's intent. Thats irrelevant. Even if he believes he's doing it for Maya's benefit, to save her eternal soul, he's still dirtying his hands. He's tricked her with the student loan and is threatening to fuck up her entire future with debt over it. Its his actions that are evil, and thats what makes him a piece of shit.

The logic you're using in this post is the same justification those insane religious nutjob parents who kill their kids to save their souls use.

The father is an individual and thus he can freely decide about his thoughts and actions.

Personally, I do not like religion very much. In the name of religion, many atrocities have been committed in the history of mankind and religion has set back the scientific development of mankind by centuries. I believe in God. But the Holy Books were written by people. The holy places were built by people. No human being knows what God expects or does not expect, and I refuse to believe that God wants people to hurt, oppress and humiliate each other.

To get back to the subject, yes Maya's father can be very religious (ethics) for all I care. But does it give him the right to force his beliefs (morals) on Maya?
Since his moral compass is determined by his beliefs, the father thinks he is in the right. But Maya has a different ethical philosophy, which is not in accordance with his morals, and thus the conflict arises. Maya's rights to live as an independent individual are restricted by the father and that is injustice. In Germany, this is even laid down by law.

In principle, in this question DPC plays with our moral and ethical values. And on the basis of this debate in the thread, you can see what moral and ethical convictions some participants in the discussion have. But I will not convict anyone here because of that.

As an interesting parallel to this current discussion:

A girl I dated ages ago was dating a guy (prior to me) who her parents seriously didn't approve of. They threatened to disown her if she kept going with him. She ignored them, they got very upset, she left home, and eventually she discovered he was already engaged to another girl and was just messing with her.

She was very hurt, ended up going back to her parents and they took her in, no questions asked. And at no point did they actually disown her.

So they were right, this guy was a piece of garbage, but she wouldn't listen (young girls "in love" can be pretty brainless) and they didn't want her to get hurt so they made big threats (and that's all they were, threats) to try and protect her.

In the end she survived it all, the lousy boyfriend, the controlling parents, and once it was all over she saw their point.

Now were her parents overreacting, I mean she survived it and maybe learned a valuable lesson. But she could have been spared all that heartache if she listened to her parents. But how can a parent watch their child totally fuck up and just sit by the sidelines?

Just to make sure there's no confusion here, I was not the garbage guy...

 

[dalli_x]

I would love to give out multiple likes, but I have reached my limit.

 

[dalli_x]

As an interesting parallel to this current discussion:

A girl I dated ages ago was dating a guy (prior to me) who her parents seriously didn't approve of. They threatened to disown her if she kept going with him. She ignored them, they got very upset, she left home, and eventually she discovered he was already engaged to another girl and was just messing with her.

She was very hurt, ended up going back to her parents and they took her in, no questions asked. And at no point did they actually disown her.

So they were right, this guy was a piece of garbage, but she wouldn't listen (young girls "in love" can be pretty brainless) and they didn't want her to get hurt so they made big threats (and that's all they were, threats) to try and protect her.

In the end she survived it all, the lousy boyfriend, the controlling parents, and once it was all over she saw their point.

Now were her parents overreacting, I mean she survived it and maybe learned a valuable lesson. But she could have been spared all that heartache if she listened to her parents. But how can a parent watch their child totally fuck up and just sit by the sidelines?

Just to make sure there's no confusion here, I was not the garbage guy...

I understand what you are trying to tell us.

Logically, parents have greater life experience than their children. But parents should understand and accept that children have a right to make mistakes. Because only from mistakes you learn.

I told my parents this to their face and they accepted it. And I have made more than one mistake in my life. Even after 15 years, my parents still tell me that they are proud of me.

 

[Jill_Royce]

I commend this. I am not religious at all, and in fact in my youth I rebelled very hard, as my family is a family of preachers. They wanted me to follow that path, I chose science, and some of my family still do not speak to me. As far as I am concerned, everyone, EVERYONE, is free to be religious or not. That does not give them the right to push their belief on others. For that reason, I do not approve of Maya's father at all. I support Maya. As she is not my favorite girl, I will not spend weeks debating those who may differ on this, but I will say that I intend to try a Maya and Josy thruple if at all possible, and a Maya solo and Josy solo if those are possible. This will be long after I do my chose and preferred girl, which is Bella all the way. I will also see if I can thruple her with Jill.

Anyhow I enjoyed your post.
Peace

I am not a religious women personally but yeah I have a little faith in it. But a choosing our life partner is beyond religion and it decides our life. Religion doesn't decide our life. It is just a code that we can are cannot follow. But what Maya's dad is doing is just cruel. Of course Maya is not my girl of first preference but yeah I feel for her.

 

[Jill_Royce]

As an interesting parallel to this current discussion:

A girl I dated ages ago was dating a guy (prior to me) who her parents seriously didn't approve of. They threatened to disown her if she kept going with him. She ignored them, they got very upset, she left home, and eventually she discovered he was already engaged to another girl and was just messing with her.

She was very hurt, ended up going back to her parents and they took her in, no questions asked. And at no point did they actually disown her.

So they were right, this guy was a piece of garbage, but she wouldn't listen (young girls "in love" can be pretty brainless) and they didn't want her to get hurt so they made big threats (and that's all they were, threats) to try and protect her.

In the end she survived it all, the lousy boyfriend, the controlling parents, and once it was all over she saw their point.

Now were her parents overreacting, I mean she survived it and maybe learned a valuable lesson. But she could have been spared all that heartache if she listened to her parents. But how can a parent watch their child totally fuck up and just sit by the sidelines?

Just to make sure there's no confusion here, I was not the garbage guy...

Yeah, in that case her parents were right. But here we know that Josy is not cunning like him and her father is just messing with her to keep up his religious shit

 

[Deleted member 2528490]

As an interesting parallel to this current discussion:

A girl I dated ages ago was dating a guy (prior to me) who her parents seriously didn't approve of. They threatened to disown her if she kept going with him. She ignored them, they got very upset, she left home, and eventually she discovered he was already engaged to another girl and was just messing with her.

She was very hurt, ended up going back to her parents and they took her in, no questions asked. And at no point did they actually disown her.

So they were right, this guy was a piece of garbage, but she wouldn't listen (young girls "in love" can be pretty brainless) and they didn't want her to get hurt so they made big threats (and that's all they were, threats) to try and protect her.

In the end she survived it all, the lousy boyfriend, the controlling parents, and once it was all over she saw their point.

Now were her parents overreacting, I mean she survived it and maybe learned a valuable lesson. But she could have been spared all that heartache if she listened to her parents. But how can a parent watch their child totally fuck up and just sit by the sidelines?

Just to make sure there's no confusion here, I was not the garbage guy...

This approach does have merit. And I would say the difference with Maya's situation is that Daddio isn't saying “Josy is wrong for you”, but instead “deny your sexuality”. Its not Josy he has an issue with, but Maya being with any girl. Its beyond “preventing a child from fucking up”, and more “don't be a filthy heathen”.