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Ayhsel

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Resource is the least of the problem and definitely the one thing that dev definitely has. I'll show you how the dev could do all that you mentioned. Think about it as if the game will now have 5 different endings instead of 4 because of the harem ending.

Endings 1/2/3/4 are basically achieved by only romancing one love interest in the playthrough. We can agree on this. Ending 5 (harem) is basically achieved by choosing to romance every love interest in the playthrough. So how do we make it work without having to rewrite the whole game? It's reasonably simple. Develop the game without locking the options. Don't create choices where you have to choose one or the other (ex: it's Saturday night, don't force players to choose going on a date with Emma or Lucy), but instead separate them so they don't affect one another (ex: the date with Emma is on Saturday night, the date with Lucy is on a Sunday night) to ensure that each romance route is independent.

Therefore, all 5 endings would have the same playthrough up to right before the actual ending where it branches into ending 1/2/3/4/5. Ending 1/2/3/4 will be straight forward to the end. Ending 5 would be bigger ending because it'd require additional scenes to develop the characters further to fit into the harem ending. Ultimately, everyone would feel pissed off at the start (especially Charlotte and Suzi), but they'd come to accept that MC is such an amazing person that it's best that MC loves all of them equally, and they all equally love him back.
First, this has absolutely nothing to do with what I mentioned, it is a comment on structure from a game tree point of view.

Second, this is a TERRIBLE IDEA in my opinion. What you are saying is precisely that interaction between each route is irrelevant. That makes for very less interesting stories. "Fuck Emma, got her pregnant", no consequences with the mother. Fuck Emma and Sucy, no problem. Treat Charlotte as the best woman in the world, no problem with Lucy.

First you would need to justify why no one knows. I could understand keeping it secret (find it hot when it is forbidden) for Emma and maybe Suzy, but eventually why Charlotte? Nice guy, loves my daughters as a father, they love him back (not romantically in her head) why hide it?
In some sense, precisely what you are saying is that there is no real choice. While choosing to fuck a 18 years old that you were supposed to keep safe should have heavy consequences!

In fact, this approach is what Where the heart is have done, and while fun, in the last update three girls for example realize you have been fucking them 3 (3 friends) and no a single one had any problem? really? That is in my opinion bad writing.

Logically, the justification for Charlotte's character is something like "MC is the only man that I can trust. He is the only one that doesn't just abuse women. I can't trust other men, but I can trust MC. So why wouldn't I trust him with my sister and daughters? I know he'd treat them right". Similarly with Suzi, "I'm overprotective of Emma, but eventually she will find a boyfriend. Isn't it better that her boyfriend is someone like MC rather than Zack or the other useless school kids? At least I know for sure he'd never hurt her".
This is precisely the kind of terrible "porn logic" that happens in terrible games as WMV. "MC is a gift from god so he should be shared", although in a smaller, more family centric scale.

Imagine if every mother would go and say "I love this man, he is the best and he clearly love my children.. yes, he should fuck them" Do you see that realistic?

I also disagree with your notion that Emma is self-centered that she won't share. She literally already wished MC is her dad which implied that she'd be happy if Charlotte ends up with MC. It's only a matter of development that she'd then realized that she also had romantic feelings toward MC, and that she loves them all that she'd be fine with sharing.
Look, nobody loves Emma as much as me, that anyone can tell. But if you think she is not self centered, we must really agree to disagree. She literally received a letter and assumed it was from Zak. She saw Zak fuck another girl and justified it by "she manipulated him, he clearly loves me".

I agree with Emma now thinking MC and her mother would be a great couple. But I think this is good for a different reason. If you go with Charlotte, she will remain a daughter character. If you with Emma, she will eventually start feeling jealous of her mother.

Lucy is easiest to fit into harem, she'd do anything just to be with MC, sharing him with her supermodel sister doesn't mean she's the second choice, it actually means that she's on the same level as Charlotte.
That is not the way an inferiority complex like her would work at all in my opinion! Her mind would go "I fall in love with a guy and of course I have to share it with Queen Charlotte. Not even in love I can be nothing more than Charlotte's shadow." While she might accept it, it would imply she is significantly unhappy.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not asking for a harem ending. I don't think harem is needed in this game. Just want to say that it's perfectly possible to make the character consistent while having harem ending if that's what the dev wants to.
Yes of course, I understand that you don't like it. We just disagree on what is "consistent behavior". But that is fine, neither is the writer here, and if one was the writer, the other would be the critique. All is good.
 

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I didn't see anything like that, is that an extra scene on the Lucy route?
Yep, you have to be on the Lucy route to get that content since Lucy is the only one you can have a relationship at this time, so she takes the opportunity to go to MCs room and try and hook up, but he turns her down and explains why he's not ready.
 

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So as I read through more of the comments, I'm coming to realize I may be one of the only people who is playing the Lucy path o_O.
 
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So.. can people answer me this question.. You all know who I am focusing on.

But, I was keeping all routes open to see what happened (let there be chaos). Now I read in Zoey's WT that if Lucy is open Kaylah's will be closed?

Is that how it goes?
 
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So as I read through more of the comments, I'm coming to realize I may be one of the only people who is playing the Lucy path o_O.
I'm running one too. But I must confess... My MC is a faithful one, but I can't, so I'm making multiple paths saves.
 
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Is there supposed to be anything after this? Because its where I ended last episode and where I end this episode
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I mean god forbid they actually update the changelog to let you know if there's anything new or if its just stuff like fixes and stuff.
But no you're expected to just download it then search through however many pages of discussion hoping to find some clue as to whats new or not.
Then when someone asks there's always that 1 tool who's like "read the change log lazy ass" Who is also un ironically also the same guy complaining that you haven't gone balls deep in Charlette and Emma during breakfast yet.
 

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So.. can people answer me this question.. You all know who I am focusing on.

But, I was keeping all routes open to see what happened (let there be chaos). Now I read in Zoey's WT that if Lucy is open Kaylah's will be closed?

Is that how it goes?
Yep, you don't get the Kaylah choice at the end of EP9 if you are on the Lucy route.
 

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Putting my comment on spoiler tag since it's long. Not actual spoilers.
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I am just going to say your arguments follow from assuming a lot of stuff I have not said and that you are trying to infer from what I said, wrongly.

More important, though, I explicitly said that I was explaining why I think this is wrong for this game under realistically constraints in development. You have literally said how are you solving the problem by each "route is independent of one another." This is the key assumption you don't see to have a problem lifting, while I think it is not a good approach, as it render choices irrelevant: what you do only matter in each route, but then you are simply optimizing individually, getting the best route individually and at the end choosing which route to go for or all together. Therefore, killing a lot of potential conflict that is natural in relationships.

I explicitly said that with enough time and resources you could do everything, but given the constraint and resources you cannot do a realistic harem and the individual routes while making them interact between each other. I thought I was clear about how, I think, there are higher priorities in the story than to develop character growth specifically to each character so that they would be happy by sharing.

We do not need to agree. But if you are going to say my logic is wrong, which tends to be wrong more time that correct, do not change my assumptions.

Having said that, I need to concede two things:

The first, I meant what you said about self centered, so I did use the wrong word. I apologize for this. But it is not wrong (nothing wrong here, just an opinion, actually) that Emma would not just simply accept it without a lot of maturing, which was what I said, as it was explained by the scene. Would be kind of hard to argue that there is that growth if you are pushing everything to the end. On the very least, we would not be able to see it, which I think it is at the core of this novel, not getting the girl, but how and the consequences.

The second is that mine is one characterization of Lucy's inferiority complex. You could write yours. I don't consider that to be believable, but that is just me, in all honesty. I guess under a nicer perspective, your interpretation is equally valid.

But I never said I dislike harems. I said I dislike them when the premise makes no sense to me, as it does in this game. There are other games, say Deluca Family, that will not have harem that I could totally see it, given the way the setting is done and what we know about the characters. I can see it happening in Tales from the Unending Void too.
My opinion was that it was bad for this game. I even mentioned Once in a Lifetime, a harem game, as an example of a total marvelous game. This should answer your some of your questions. You only needed to read what I wrote before, but it is fine.
 
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There were two missing scenes added but nothing more
Yes, the two missing scenes were the main change. But also: the whole v0.9 has been massively rewritten on the dialog side since the beta, there is also a lot of added/changed text to the existing content too.
Anyone knows if there are unlockable images (achievements) in 0.9?
No, there isn't a new achievement in v0.9.
 
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great job with polishing the update! Lucy is such an underrated character and absolutely love how shes written. All main characters for that matter, are uniquely written and each have their own personality.

I am excited to see what mental gymnastic the dev gonna have to do to somehow allow us to bone Emma.
 

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I am excited to see what mental gymnastic the dev gonna have to do to somehow allow us to bone Emma.
Not that difficult at all. Just for her to find out and accept that Zack is an asshole, and that MC has always been the one that cares about her. She then starts to have romantic feelings toward MC. One thing led to another, and they'd eventually have sex with Emma being the one initiating the talk.
 
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