VN Ren'Py Pale Carnations [Ch. 4 Up 4 Public] [Mutt & Jeff]

[Turret]

The update is indeed 99.9% club oriented and even Hana's development is framed in the context of her relationship with the club/her father, so if the club dynamic disinterests you or hugging Mina is your primary goal, you probably won't enjoy this update as much I'm afraid. I've actually been a tad worried of disappointing people in this regard, but the structure of the story is rigidly set in that Saturday of each week is devoted to a copious amount of big ugly sex.

Hi! I truly doubt that more than a few fans will be disappointed with the coming update. While Mina is always very huggable, it is a fact that weekends are devoted to Club activities and we saw in the former updates that all main characters get their time to shine. But it is impossible that all characters get equal screentime every update, I am sure the Mina fans will get more Mina Time in update 3/5 or 4/1. Besides, from a pure story standpoint Mina needs time to decide if she stays with Ian or jumps wagon to Edwin.
My top three are Hana, Feli and Rosi, so I can look forward to the new update!

As for the Club generally, it is the anker point of the story and I am looking forward to see how Mina reaches "Pale Carnations" orbit, esp. since she has the fewest contact points of all main characters. But then again, it might be just gut feeling, but IMHO over the run of the game I think I saw that there is quite a wild side in her.
Hana, for instance, is obviously a wild one, but that is only one facet of her. If you play her route, we see that she is a pragmatic, intelligent young woman for whom a stable life and family are very important and that there are limits to her wildness in some aspects of life, like sex and love.
Mina, who is cute with a capital C, on the other hand grew up rather sheltered, but depending on how you play her route, this shelter was treacherous from what she tells us. Now she is starting to spread her wings and we get the feeling she is eager to "catch up" on life experience, sex too. We see that from her "bucket list", which is rather lengthy and wild and even if she stays with Ian, there are hints during their relationship here and there, that Mina is willing to do "more".

 

[tamagochi]

The update is indeed 99.9% club oriented and even Hana's development is framed in the context of her relationship with the club/her father, so if the club dynamic disinterests you or hugging Mina is your primary goal, you probably won't enjoy this update as much I'm afraid. I've actually been a tad worried of disappointing people in this regard, but the structure of the story is rigidly set in that Saturday of each week is devoted to a copious amount of big ugly sex.



While it's unlikely to achieve true equality (the Carnations do have a huge head start sex-wise due to the nature of the scenario), the heroines all getting a fair shake has been a goal of GIL and mine's since the beginning. I can comfortably say there is an abundance of quality time in the pipeline for both Hana and Mina, both of whom are essential to the story in similar and distinctive ways. The next few updates will likely satisfy you in this regard.

Same for Veronica even, who is to a lesser extent, lagging behind the other Carnations as far as personal time is concerned. Not all character development moves at the same tempo, but hopefully by the end of it all, everyone will have their own song on the soundtrack so to speak.



Me too. She's among my favorites to write for.
I will say, in the long run, you will be satisfied. She's included in the goal of giving everyone a fair amount of sex scenes.

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On another note, I'll go ahead and confirm that the update will come in early June. GIL's got maybe a few more days until he completes the statics, and then we'll announce the hard date for the early release, between which the proofing and testing will happen.

Thanks everyone for your patience.

Do you think that in a future update we will have a sex scene with the mother?

 

[selberdreher]

Do you think that in a future update we will have a sex scene with the mother?

TD1900 pretty much ruled out sex between Edwin and his mother in more than one posts.

Personally i do believe there is quite a chance that we get sex scenes with the mother, just not with Edwin.
See my post Why Victoria will have sex scenes if you are interested. Of course this is pure speculation on my behalf, and in no way confirmed in any way by official sources.

 

[Turret]

Do you think that in a future update we will have a sex scene with the mother?

If nothing changed since several posts by TD a while ago, then the mother is more a story and backstory device. So while Edwin´s mom having sex with some person might happen, it will not be with Edwin.
See selberdreher ´s post above.

 

[tamagochi]

Si nada cambió desde varias publicaciones de TD hace un tiempo, entonces la madre es más una historia y un dispositivo de historia de fondo. Entonces, si bien la mamá de Edwin puede tener relaciones sexuales con alguna persona, no será con Edwin.
Vea la publicación de selberdreher arriba.
[/COTIZAR]

If nothing changed since several posts by TD a while ago, then the mother is more a story and backstory device. So while Edwin´s mom having sex with some person might happen, it will not be with Edwin.
See selberdreher ´s post above.

that sounds very netorare, it would be unpleasant to have a beautiful mother and end up getting fucked by another guy.
I would prefer a story of incest to see how the protagonist's mother is robbed

 

[selberdreher]

that sounds very netorare, it would be unpleasant to have a beautiful mother and end up getting fucked by another guy.
I would prefer a story of incest to see how the protagonist's mother is robbed

yah, well, i am not sure how to answer to this.
perhaps you havent played PC yet, or your comprehension of the language is not so good, since you used - i guess - a spanish translation of Turrets post, and i beg your pardon this means no offense at all on my part.

but canon is indeed that Victoria, Edwins Mother, HAS a past in doing porn, so we are beyond this point already for years.

there is also a conversation between Edwin and his Mother if she should starting to try dating again, in which you can encourage or discourage her to do so.

PaleCarnation is not about what we prefer, but rather a Project of Passion of two really good Creators who invite us to join their "Tale of Decadence, Depravity and Motherly Devotion", which they decided to share so graciously with us. And i am grateful for that.

 

[selberdreher]

God that sounds sooo fanboyish, but it is what it is.
Infact i do prefer games which try to get you out of your comfort zone sometimes, in contrast to those which permanently suck up to their audience and in turn get predictable and boring.

 

[RC-1138 Boss]

Same for Veronica even, who is to a lesser extent, lagging behind the other Carnations as far as personal time is concerned. Not all character development moves at the same tempo, but hopefully by the end of it all, everyone will have their own song on the soundtrack so to speak.

Yeah give us moar Veronica or we riot.

 

[JohnnyFlex]

How close are we to update day?

 

[selberdreher]

How close are we to update day?

one or two weeks

 

[tamagochi]

From what I see the fandom of this game is quite toxic, they reject incest but approve of ntr , they even have the whole story invented in their brains

 

[tamagochi]

God that sounds sooo fanboyish, but it is what it is.
Infact i do prefer games which try to get you out of your comfort zone sometimes, in contrast to those which permanently suck up to their audience and in turn get predictable and boring.

I only see one fanboy around here and that's you , You even have a large part of the script for this game created in your mind, that is if it is a fanboy

 

[Idontplay]

The developers: "This is a game about people who works in a luxury brothel, involved in various kind of open relationships".
Some players: "There will be a NTR route?"
The developers: "In this game there will not be incest."
Some players: "Will the MC fuck his mother?"

 

[selberdreher]

From what I see the fandom of this game is quite toxic, they reject incest but approve of ntr

Well, that is of course true, because we all know that using other dicks than your imaginary own one makes something toxic. Double that if your imaginary dick isnt allowed to bang your imaginary family.

I only see one fanboy around here and that's you

If the toxic fandom of this game solely consists of me, i will gladly take it, thank you very much.

Oh, so you havent played PC yet, or AND your comprehension of the language is not so good, because i can assure you the content of PC is much bigger than the possible power-struggle / blackmail scenario i outlined in my post.

just for clarification, did i
a)

even have a large part of the script for this game created in your mind

or b)

even have the whole story invented in their brains

because, you see, these are two different things, but perhaps that is just nitpicking on my part.
Either way i should start immediately to bring up my ideas again and again, because if the devs cant see my superior storytelling compared to their own one, they are obviously just dumb and the game is not worth playing. Thank you for reminding me of this!

And since you so generously facepalmed three of my posts in this thread alone, i would like to point you to even more (i know, i know i am getting greedy here) of them in other threads, namely here and especially here in hope you continue show your lovely attitude towards me <3.

 

[tamagochi]

because, you see, these are two different things, but perhaps that is just nitpicking on my part.
Either way i should start immediately to bring up my ideas again and again, because if the devs cant see my superior storytelling compared to their own one, they are obviously just dumb and the game is not worth playing. Thank you for reminding me of this!

[/COTIZAR]
I doubt very much that the developers will take into account your stupid fantasies but keep trying, good luck with that .

 

[tamagochi]

Well, that is of course true, because we all know that using other dicks than your imaginary own one makes something toxic. Double that if your imaginary dick isnt allowed to bang your imaginary family.

If the toxic fandom of this game solely consists of me, i will gladly take it, thank you very much.

Oh, so you havent played PC yet, or AND your comprehension of the language is not so good, because i can assure you the content of PC is much bigger than the possible power-struggle / blackmail scenario i outlined in my post.

just for clarification, did i
a)
or b)
because, you see, these are two different things, but perhaps that is just nitpicking on my part.
Either way i should start immediately to bring up my ideas again and again, because if the devs cant see my superior storytelling compared to their own one, they are obviously just dumb and the game is not worth playing. Thank you for reminding me of this!

And since you so generously facepalmed three of my posts in this thread alone, i would like to point you to even more (i know, i know i am getting greedy here) of them in other threads, namely here and especially here in hope you continue show your lovely attitude towards me <3.

Bla Bla Bla Bla keep writing your fantasies toxic fanboy

 

[Idontplay]

 

[dolfe67]

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TD here with the final dev diary of this update cylce.

Currently, we sit at 2,631 statics, 92 (the final count) animations, and 62,369 words total for update 3.4

That last one is a new metric we'll be including in these reports going forward. A fellow dev (Story Anon, who is the author of the wonderful VN Out of Touch) showed me how to easily calculate it with the ren'py SDK. For reference, the project's total word count is 375,122 words -- a number that I'm wholly ambivalent about.

I can comfortably say that we will hit our revised target of an early June release date and that within the next three or four days, GIL will be putting a bow on the picture side of things. Once that happens, we'll post the exact date for early release and then immediately hand it off to our testing & proofing team.

Plans are already underway for the next update and I think after the wall-to-wall debauchery of this one, the next one will be on a more intimate and self-contained scale. I'll speak more to that once we actually get the present update behind us.

I know I end every post with this, but GIL and I both appreciate your support, and we hope we won't ever betray your patience. You guys not only make this thing happen, but you make it an enriching experience as well.

Thank you.

 

[ename144]

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TD here with the final dev diary of this update cylce.

Currently, we sit at 2,631 statics, 92 (the final count) animations, and 62,369 words total for update 3.4

That last one is a new metric we'll be including in these reports going forward. A fellow dev (Story Anon, who is the author of the wonderful VN Out of Touch) showed me how to easily calculate it with the ren'py SDK. For reference, the project's total word count is 375,122 words -- a number that I'm wholly ambivalent about.

I can comfortably say that we will hit our revised target of an early June release date and that within the next three or four days, GIL will be putting a bow on the picture side of things. Once that happens, we'll post the exact date for early release and then immediately hand it off to our testing & proofing team.

Plans are already underway for the next update and I think after the wall-to-wall debauchery of this one, the next one will be on a more intimate and self-contained scale. I'll speak more to that once we actually get the present update behind us.

I know I end every post with this, but GIL and I both appreciate your support, and we hope we won't ever betray your patience. You guys not only make this thing happen, but you make it an enriching experience as well.

Thank you.

The numbers are going to a be a little anticlimactic this time, but might as well see this through. TD and Gil completed 326 statics and 15 animations in the last two weeks, an average of 163 statics and 7.5 animations per week. Overall, this update has averaged ~128 statics and 4.5 animations per week since Chapter 3 Update 3 launched. Here are the charts:

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We are roughly at the expected target in terms of statics, and actually above expectations on animations. Technically, if GIL still has 3-4 more days of work, we'll probably add 50-90 more statics to the final count if he's creating them at something like an average pace. But even as is, this is far and away the largest update in terms of statics, and is only just barely shy of Chapter 3 Update 2's animation mark (at 98). Given that Ch3 Up2 included GIL animating a bunch of old scenes during real-world-enforced downtime, this is clearly an update to be reckoned with.

For now, I appreciate the housgirl lineup, that will doubtless make it easier to keep track of them all. I'm eager to see how they're used this time around (as well as the actual competitions), even if I'm even more eager to see what comes next.

 

[Turret]

The numbers are going to a be a little anticlimactic this time, but might as well see this through. TD and Gil completed 326 statics and 15 animations in the last two weeks, an average of 163 statics and 7.5 animations per week. Overall, this update has averaged ~128 statics and 4.5 animations per week since Chapter 3 Update 3 launched. Here are the charts:

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We are roughly at the expected target in terms of statics, and actually above expectations on animations. Technically, if GIL still has 3-4 more days of work, we'll probably add 50-90 more statics to the final count if he's creating them at something like an average pace. But even as is, this is far and away the largest update in terms of statics, and is only just barely shy of Chapter 3 Update 2's animation mark (at 98). Given that Ch3 Up2 included GIL animating a bunch of old scenes during real-world-enforced downtime, this is clearly an update to be reckoned with.

For now, I appreciate the housgirl lineup, that will doubtless make it easier to keep track of them all. I'm eager to see how they're used this time around (as well as the actual competitions), even if I'm even more eager to see what comes next.

As I hobby writer myself I find the word numbers even more impressive. A typical "standard" novel comes in at 70.000-100.000 words (naturally there are longer, even much longer, novels, but the average length is about that word count). So TD wrote the equivalent of a novella for the update, while the game word count itself is currently about 3 3/4 novels! Thumbs up for TD and GIL too, who made over 2.600 renders for one single update!