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Actually, check the spoiler he posted. It was a pretty humorous post.
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Yeah, full of unfinished games with an almost annual episode schedule, wich it's not surprising at all since it's the Patreon style. Don't get me wrong, I understand that almost all the creators here are indie developers and perhaps this is the way that works better for them.(I found more worriesome the fact that a lot of "triple AAA" games are following the same path with lots of unfinished content al launch, etc...)
But to your comment, its easy: why there are people still here if they think the game is dead? Because in the end they like the game, it's probably one of the best here and it's sad that has this schedule... And people talk about that here. And I think it's okay, this is ORS official thread here after all and I find IMO normal reading complaints about the schedule for new content.
The real point here is: if certain people is bothering you with certain messages/opinions, why don't use the ignore option that this forum offers and works great?
Anyone who thinks the game is dead has definitely never tried to develop a game. Game development is slow and tedious, not fast and sexy. It's a lot of really boring ass scripting and a lot of redoing things over and over and over again while you try to get everything just right. Most games here are developed by 1-3 people while big commercial games typically have teams of dozens of people. The lack of labour on these micro fanprojects makes development that much slower, again. The smaller your team is, the more likely the entire game grinds to a halt anytime one person can't do their work for whatever reasons. In the case of a one person team, that's literally the only thing that can happen.
the issue is not about the difficulty or quality produced in this game, but the delays without plausible justification, it is obvious that both those who complain about delays, and those who don't care about it, like the game.
I don't deny that it takes time to do the arts and programming for the game (and yes, I have experience in that).
I would never say that the game is not good, I love ors and gggb.
But I can't lie either, it's been almost 9 months since a real update of the game, and at first the updates took between 1 to 2 months without fail. The more time and experience I have with these games and developers, the more I see that the trend is to increase production time and "milking" fans more and more to extend the game's lifespan.
I can list several developers who do this sort of thing.
I don't deny that it takes time to do the arts and programming for the game (and yes, I have experience in that).
I would never say that the game is not good, I love ors and gggb.
But I can't lie either, it's been almost 9 months since a real update of the game, and at first the updates took between 1 to 2 months without fail. The more time and experience I have with these games and developers, the more I see that the trend is to increase production time and "milking" fans more and more to extend the game's lifespan.
I can list several developers who do this sort of thing.
What do you guys think are Ian's most possible threesome and foursome chances in the game?
And in order for this not to spiral into a it could and maybe,only put the combinations you personally think have a 90% or higher chances of happening.
Here are mine:
1.Ian+Cindy+Lena(I do think this one has a very good chance of happening and also i'm a Cindy simp so there is a personal bias)
2.Ian+Lena+Holly(The 100% assured one unless Eva blind sides us and it doesn't for some reason happen)
3.Ian+Lena+Ivy
4.Ian+Lena+Louise
5.Ian+Alison+Emma(3 people who know each other for some time and we know that Alison is willing to do a lot of things in order to please Ian and Emma doesn't mind having sex with people she knows a long time and considers friends).
And this is more of a question,since Ivy is the devil of the group as we can see that she is always open to a lot of stuff what do you think are the chances of Ian having a foursome with three girls with Ivy helping since for now i only see her as an assured participant in a foursome if he of course has enough stats to pull it off and who do you think the other two girls could be for now? Or maybe you see a different foursome happening that i don't?
So yeah put a list of your own and let me know if you disagree on some of the combinations i put and why and if you can put a explanation on some of your combinations just so i could see your point of view.
And in order for this not to spiral into a it could and maybe,only put the combinations you personally think have a 90% or higher chances of happening.
Here are mine:
1.Ian+Cindy+Lena(I do think this one has a very good chance of happening and also i'm a Cindy simp so there is a personal bias)
2.Ian+Lena+Holly(The 100% assured one unless Eva blind sides us and it doesn't for some reason happen)
3.Ian+Lena+Ivy
4.Ian+Lena+Louise
5.Ian+Alison+Emma(3 people who know each other for some time and we know that Alison is willing to do a lot of things in order to please Ian and Emma doesn't mind having sex with people she knows a long time and considers friends).
And this is more of a question,since Ivy is the devil of the group as we can see that she is always open to a lot of stuff what do you think are the chances of Ian having a foursome with three girls with Ivy helping since for now i only see her as an assured participant in a foursome if he of course has enough stats to pull it off and who do you think the other two girls could be for now? Or maybe you see a different foursome happening that i don't?
So yeah put a list of your own and let me know if you disagree on some of the combinations i put and why and if you can put a explanation on some of your combinations just so i could see your point of view.
I really hope we could have:
- Ian + Jeremy + Lena
- Ian + Lena + Cindy
- Ian + Axel + Cindy
- Ian + Ivy + Jeremy + Lena
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Yes, i cancel her patreon already
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We'll see who cancels whom!
the game is too good to abandon it. I hope we get the update... eventually
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I don't understand how you can talk about the most obvious Threesome in the game without mentioning the one we actually are getting, which is Ian+Allison+Jeremy.
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Hm, i think this is where you and those others are wrong, because "milking" implies malicious intend, promising patreons and fans a product, which is or was never planned to be delivered. Whereas being caught in a writers block, or being lost on figuring out in which way to continue the story or writing content and dialogs which are getting scrapped, because they don't meet the quality the author tries to achieve, is not malicious but very often an undesirable part of any creative work. Double that if you are working in a small team, where every other contributor is prone to hit a roadblock (life happens, you know?) also.
Is there an obvious delay in ORS updates? Yes, i think so.
Does that entitle you and your fellows to call this specific Dev a milker? No, i strongly disagree.
It is my understanding, that EvaKiss is from Spain, and while this country may not pay the best wages in the world, they have better ones than alot of other countries and a rather good social security system.
So tell me, why should a Dev, who established a remarkably strong brand and reputation, who has a completed game, which still rates high on F95ZONE, under their belt and an ongoing project which is quite unison considered as one of the better games here, why should this Dev throw their achievements out of the window, for the paltry sum they may gain from 5 or 6 months of "milking" their supporters?
The potential loss is so much bigger than anything they can gain with this.
Granted, some patreons support creators, because they wanna have a bang for their buck, but others understand that they are supporting a project which very well can suffer major setbacks while in development. But the charm is you can of course suspend your patronage.
No, i believe nobody suffers more than EvaKiss in this situation, because you don't undertake a project of this scope, if you weren't serious about this business.
Being from Europe myself, i understand and strongly support the need for recreation and vacation, to fuel up your internal batteries and return fresh and perhaps with a new perspective to your work. There is nothing lazy about that.
So we have an author, who is maybe struggling at the moment or in the past few months to deliver new content, for whatever reasons. In this situation, revisiting and remastering the work done so far, is not as sketchy as you depict it. Perhaps not as desireable as new content, but the enhancement of old content will lead to an overall better game. In the end, it is not your project, but the Devs one, and they have to be satisfied with it.
In any creative process, any author, developer or creator -unless they are masochists or crazy- needs to have at least a little bit of fun with what they are doing, else that creative energy will dry up.
Accusing EvaKiss of basically fraud and declaring this game dead is not helpfull in regaining motivation and inspiration and fun.
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- Apr 25, 2020
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She's clearly not milking, she even stopped patreon sub for a month or 2. Though she may have bit more than she can chew with 2 MC. She really wanted to write a male MC but didn't want to lose the female MC base of her previous game, so here we are.
There are multiple reasons, weariness, depression, changes IRL... Also heard about icstor?
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Yes, i was partly hinting on those in my post too. And of course it's not totally impossible, that they will never get back on track.
However my main reasoning was about intend, and i do believe, EvaKiss never intended not to finish this game.
And if above reasons were true, i think it's counterproductive to put too much pressure on the Dev. Because if i were in their (the Devs) shoes, i would probably go: "Ah, go to hell you fucking haters, what do you know about anything? I don't need this, go fuck yourself, i am out for good!" There is a thing called self-fullfilling prophecy.
I would rather see ORS completed in 3 or 4 years, than see it abandoned over something which may be in hindsight a minor hiccup.
I don't want to sound whiny or anything, and I respect Eva who is by far my favourite creator in this kind of game. But there's one bit of logic which I don't get here. People are defending the slow progress based on the increasingly complexity of the game.
When she started she had less resources, less experience and she delivered faster progress, doesn't matter how you do the math, more scenes and plot was developed in the beggining of this game per month.
Thing is, according to Graphteon, she is currently making 5 to 15k per month, that is while she has released no actual new content in 8+ months, 3? if you count the "remaster". I have read here she is spanish (not sure if that's true), but I am spanish too, and live in Madrid which is the most expensive city in the country, and here you can make a decent living with around 1k easily. To my understanding she could very easily spend that money in directing a small team that delivers faster and better, but prefers to keep working in a similar way and simply live a better life. Which again, is completely respectable and is kind of the way Patreon works.
I'm just posting this because I don't agree with the logic that now is understandable that she delivers slower, the fact is that now she has a lot more experience and a lot more resources potentially.
When she started she had less resources, less experience and she delivered faster progress, doesn't matter how you do the math, more scenes and plot was developed in the beggining of this game per month.
Thing is, according to Graphteon, she is currently making 5 to 15k per month, that is while she has released no actual new content in 8+ months, 3? if you count the "remaster". I have read here she is spanish (not sure if that's true), but I am spanish too, and live in Madrid which is the most expensive city in the country, and here you can make a decent living with around 1k easily. To my understanding she could very easily spend that money in directing a small team that delivers faster and better, but prefers to keep working in a similar way and simply live a better life. Which again, is completely respectable and is kind of the way Patreon works.
I'm just posting this because I don't agree with the logic that now is understandable that she delivers slower, the fact is that now she has a lot more experience and a lot more resources potentially.
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Define "decent". Maybe if you live with your parents and don't pay rent, or you eat cheap meals every day and don't spend money on hobbies and don't go out.
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Anyway just because you hire someone doesn't mean the speed will double or increase significantly, that's not how it works.
I don't know about those estimations but I live in the center of the city, alone, paying rent and can go out for dinner or drinks here and there, have hobbies, can travel on vacation and buy all I need (with no luxury and having no car) with a bit less than 1k. Could share place with my girlfriend if needed to save more.
Anyway, I don't care, can make exactly the same point saying that you can make a good living with 2k, she's making far more than that.
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Is that info supposed to disprove the guy you replied to because those numbers certainly do support his point. Anyway, more people working on the game would undoubtedly speed up the process.
One thing I learned in the last years it's that doesn't matter what a developer do with a game, it's always understandable for people that are in the "official" sites of that game. It's always good, there are no flaws, etc... (with exceptions, of course).
And if you have the idea to put a simple criticism, observation, etc...? Well, good luck with that. The most probable scenario is that you are gonna get ridiculed or they are gonna tell you that you don't have any idea, etc... It's more easy here, because if you have any criticism the most probable response is "but you are getting the game for free here, stop with your criticism, makes no sense".
And I see this scenario lots of times with different videogames, franchises, videogame consoles, etc... In the end I simply put my opinion and criticism if I want and if there is a problem with that with someone... Well, it's their problem. It's not an issue really because as I said before, this site gives lots of tools to avoid users, messages, etc.
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