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I hope i don't kill any of tamable girls, because it would be useless and a waste time into grinding to max trust and affextion
 

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I hope i don't kill any of tamable girls, because it would be useless and a waste time into grinding to max trust and affextion
They are safe.

Random question. Is it intended for the tamed prison girls in to have severely reduced trust/fear changes compared to before they're tamed? Wasn't sure if that was a bug or was designed to discourage going hard into fear and then switching them over to trust later. But it really is kinda annoying to have a tamed girl that suddenly gains severely less affection (what was 4, or more, is now 1 or 2) from the exact same action that you were doing from when they were still somewhat resistant.


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But as mentioned, that did make the death more impactful and sold that scene as being a big deal. If you didn't like the person dying (and in such a limited number of frames), then you wouldn't care as much about them and the scenario around it all. Effective annoyance..? (Assuming everything on that side of the story is paid off well in part 2, that is.)
Yes, it's intended, it will take some extra effort, but you can have a fear taming and then making her trust you. Fear tame has a bonus when you can stream her and get a nice extra money, but trust will have a small extra income if you make her work.

I won't be taking down girls or LIs just for fun, as mentioned before, these girls were introduced to be killed, to make an impact in the Marvelous Man situation.
 

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They are safe.
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You're not suppose to say that. Now players will do what they want without thinking about consequences of thier actions.

I won't be taking down girls or LIs just for fun, as mentioned before, these girls were introduced to be killed, to make an impact in the Marvelous Man situation.
Killing an LI, even if properly justified, would certainly make people riot. So it's good Marvelous Man went Homelander on some random chicks players won't care that much.

Well as far as I remember she ain't that strong anymore her power is like 60 percent of what it used to be which is kinda sad
Her overconfidence was her weakness. It was but a single monster, nothing she can't handle, right? She underestimated it and lost more than she could.
 
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So it's good Marvelous Man went Homelander on some random chicks players won't care that much.
I judged that scene before seeing it. Now I think of Marvelous Man a lot differently, though not in a bad way.

Yeah, he slaughtered a bunch of monster girls, but that's kind of what his job is, isn't it? Villains lie all the time an I'm 99% sure he's been backstabbed one too many times to keep loose ends around. Plus, we can't forget the guy was there because of the phone alert. Trying to save whatever hero needed help. Just so happened to be MC.

An Anti-Hero/Vigilante MC should sympathize with the guy. Hero work is tough shit. Hopefully MC can work with him in part 2. Would be interesting.
 
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Blaisdale

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I judged that scene before seeing it. Now I think of Marvelous Man a lot differently, though not in a bad way.

Yeah, he slaughtered a bunch of monster girls, but that's kind of what his job is, isn't it? Villains lie all the time an I'm 99% sure he's been backstabbed one too many times to keep loose ends around. Plus, we can't forget the guy was there because of the phone alert. Trying to save whatever hero needed help. Just so happened to be MC.

An Anti-Hero/Vigilante MC should sympathize with the guy. Hero work is tough shit. Hopefully MC can work with him in part 2. Would be interesting.



Debatable.
Shin didn't agree with what Jesus did, when you blame her for the murder.
Because of the information they had, that could save Eric

She stated she did not approve of such actions but not all hero's are good.
With that being said, they also prefer to imprison them.
However the easy way to see they prefer imprisonment is based on the last battle of 3.5B and
with the fact Eric likes to turn them in.
(I believe its a front for experiments on them but that's my belief)
Yes many where killed there but the city was being overwhelmed but in the end they still wanted them in a cell.

To say its their job is to murder them I think is an overstatement.
Marvelous Man and Jesus are no different than the M.C. being evil but probably using them to justify/absolve them of murder.


Its one of those odd man out situation.
I.E. Star Trek
Kobayashi Maru - The no win no win.
There was a Captain who opted to destroy the ship, better to murder them than let them be captured.

Star Fleet has its standards but how would you see that?
You can even look to Sisko. He poluted a planet for was it 50 or 500 years making it unlivable to get raiders out of a planet.
Not to mention a lot of other questionable stuff he did by star fleet standards.
Another situation where the few dont express the idea's of the many

In both cases I totally agree with what they did but that doesn't reflect their base ideal's.

I've stated many times, I dont like when games dont do stuff to you, so this update of 9.996 was music to my ears,
when you get captured and they talk about your actions, granted we didn't have a choice to kill them or not but still.
This whole thing was up my alley.
I was a bit sad to see no VN battle, since I like those but I'm sure many of those are still to come.


To go on the basis of Marvelous Man.
This whole situation comes down to, had they have been able to talk it out, there may have been less violence and no death.
When you ran into them the first time, they didn't see you as a threat and even said you smelled good
(I believe the words "like one of them but not human" was said or something on those lines)

Yes they were angry but they were also listening to you speak.
Don't mistake anger for blind murderous rage.
They could have easily just straight out attacked you like Marvelous Man.
As we have seen already, they dont have problems doing that and they more so fear people.
Most importantly "avoid" people.

With that being said, they aren't the overly bad ones here.
They captured you, yes you were bound in a painful position.
(which one of them took away the pain)
However they understand you are powerful and likely can overwhelm them all.
So your situation makes sense.
They aren't going an eye for an eye. You are being able to speak.
Much like any court system we have, they see you as guilty based on the actions they believe you did.
(you can say innocent until proven guilty but we all know public opinion differs)

Further more, to them 1 human came and slaughtered 1 of them, for another to come flat out murder another.
Then to destroy their little home base.
Now its 2 murders and a home destroyed. (try to justify destroying part of a city and the sewer at that)
When you were in the process of defending yourself.

From what we know from our M.C.'s point of view.
They were meek , even didn't trust our M.C. at first sight but trusted him after smelling him.
Their friend died at his hands, they interrogated him, yes they didn't trust him but still.
They kept him alive how long? So they weren't starving him, just preventing him for possibly killing everyone.
We saw that most seem to be sympathetic to you based on each interaction.
Given we know their education level is low for them to try to talk to you and figure out what went on.
Could be compared to being held at a police station in a sense. Not saying it is but given what they have/had, it could be.

Their reaction and actions make sense.
Marvelous Man comes in destroys a building, flat out murders one.
Just because you were caught!? Yes your phone went off and he so called "came to save you"
but even your M.C. was so afraid he played passed out in fear.
Knocking them out wasn't even on the table? just straight up murder!

Nice job you have when people on your side are so afraid of you, they think play dead to stay alive.
 

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I judged that scene before seeing it. Now I think of Marvelous Man a lot differently, though not in a bad way.

Yeah, he slaughtered a bunch of monster girls, but that's kind of what his job is, isn't it? Villains lie all the time an I'm 99% sure he's been backstabbed one too many times to keep loose ends around. Plus, we can't forget the guy was there because of the phone alert. Trying to save whatever hero needed help. Just so happened to be MC.

An Anti-Hero/Vigilante MC should sympathize with the guy. Hero work is tough shit. Hopefully MC can work with him in part 2. Would be interesting.
I am on the fence. Marvelous Man acted as Judge, Jury and Executioner there. He saw bunch of monster girls and of all options to solve the problem he choose to kill them. Sure, he was attacked, so he had all the right to defend himself and retaliate to neutralize the monster threat quckly, because there was a kidnapped civilian in need of saving, but did they really were a threat to him? Couldn't he choose to accept thier surrender and capture them? No, he choose to go violent when he clearly didn't have to. Are those the ideals and actions of the number one hero? A public figure to who people and other heroes are looking up to? His actions can cause great reactions among people.

I'm not saying he should carry a moral high ground on his left shoulder and forgiveness on his right while wearing hope on his chest, but he should have some principles, to resort to violence when it's really necessary, not because it's easier way. With time he will be lowering the bar lower and lower to the point when he will kill someone for not crossing the street by using pedestrian crossing.

On the other hand... I would do the same thing. If I knew there is a captured civilian in need of saving I would do the same damn thing in order to safely search and rescue. Those monsters have powers, each one of them has thier own. Capturing them may not be enough to stop them from using thier powers, which means they still can pose a threat. Allowing them to be alive may result in, if having any, a team member or hostage being wounded or even killed and that's is not the bet I'm willing to take.

Yet Marvelous Man choose later to save MC, a man who may know about his cruelty there, a loose end. So maybe there is still hope for him to not go down the rabbit hole. Who knows. Well, only author himself.

And, let's be honest. People only care about Marvelous Man killing those monsters, because they were monster girls. If those were monster tennicles (if I remember his name correctly) nobody would even bat an eye.

That's probably why game defined me anti-hero. Amanda being mugged? Rei almost being shot? Kate(as Lilac) almost being raped? Sorry, but I won't take chances of further encounters with such people. I allowed Adam to be alive and look what happened!
 

zh

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Hi ! Very nice game :)

Just a question (and sorry if this question was already asked since I'm new here) : is there a list for all the abilities and a way to acquire those? I was on the hero branch but I just discovered I could acquire Whisper's ability by... not being too "heroic" lol. So... looks like I missed a lot of abilities x)
 

Blaisdale

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Hi ! Very nice game :)

Just a question (and sorry if this question was already asked since I'm new here) : is there a list for all the abilities and a way to acquire those? I was on the hero branch but I just discovered I could acquire Whisper's ability by... not being too "heroic" lol. So... looks like I missed a lot of abilities x)

Welcome :)

No there is no list.
Its kinda remember the powers of those you have faught.
There currently aren't that many people so it shouldn't be that hard. :)
 
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Finisterrex

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Hi ! Very nice game :)

Just a question (and sorry if this question was already asked since I'm new here) : is there a list for all the abilities and a way to acquire those? I was on the hero branch but I just discovered I could acquire Whisper's ability by... not being too "heroic" lol. So... looks like I missed a lot of abilities x)
You get Wind ability after defeating Winter (Fox hingetus girl)

You can get super speed from Foxy. (Prison girl)

You can get Fire from Melith (Prison girl)

You can get Wind boost from Karma if you don't go anti-hero on her

You can get Sacrier from Ginger if you caught her the 2nd time you see her, and you don't go vigilante on her.

You can get Supression from Whisper after the league if you don't go hero on her.

You can get Heal from Bunny (Prison girl)

You can get Ice from Kitty (Prison girl)

You can also get stats boost from Lynx.


About Ginger, Whisper and Karma:
They are LIs, Whisper being Hero branch, Ginger being Vigilante branch and Karma being Antihero branch. (More girls will join this probably later).
But this doesn't mean you can't go love branch with them if you're not playing the same branch.

A hero can get Ginger and Karma love route compromising the choices with them. Same for the other branches. Is it possible to get all the girls in one run for the moment.

Or you can just steal their genex and forget about them, that's your choice.

What's not possible is to get all the content in one run, since a lot of content is A or B or C (like Jennika teacher being dom or sub).
 

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Thanks for the list!


About Ginger, Whisper and Karma:
They are LIs, Whisper being Hero branch, Ginger being Vigilante branch and Karma being Antihero branch. (More girls will join this probably later).
But this doesn't mean you can't go love branch with them if you're not playing the same branch.

A hero can get Ginger and Karma love route compromising the choices with them. Same for the other branches. Is it possible to get all the girls in one run for the moment.

Or you can just steal their genex and forget about them, that's your choice.
Ok, so if I have to chose between the women and their abilities, I guess I will take the women :) My "completionist" soul will hurt but.. its fine (copium).. x) The game is perfectly playable without the complete ability list.

So far I collected 4 abilities (strengh, wind, speed, fire ) on the hero route. And since I don't want to antagonize Whisper/Ginger/Karma forever, I guess I won't reload a previous save and continue my hero branch as usual.

Thanks :)
 
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I judged that scene before seeing it. Now I think of Marvelous Man a lot differently, though not in a bad way.

Yeah, he slaughtered a bunch of monster girls, but that's kind of what his job is, isn't it? Villains lie all the time an I'm 99% sure he's been backstabbed one too many times to keep loose ends around. Plus, we can't forget the guy was there because of the phone alert. Trying to save whatever hero needed help. Just so happened to be MC.

An Anti-Hero/Vigilante MC should sympathize with the guy. Hero work is tough shit. Hopefully MC can work with him in part 2. Would be interesting.
MC is just like a poster here - "YOU TOOK AWAY A POSSIBLE LI?!?! Monster!!" Marvelous crashed a hostage situation without intel, guns blazing, and lied about it. It's easy to conclude that Marvelous didn't really care whether the hostage lived or died, actually. And it's not a huge stretch to arrive at MC's conclusion: that MM might prefer to kill a random civilian rather than risk bad publicity about what actually happened.

I do understand what you're saying, though. Much easier for MM to not deal in too much nuance and lean on ruthless efficiency. Lynx and Erick were quite surprised at even the idea of friendly Hingetus (hell, even established lore that random ass tentacle ones can have relationships and peaceful desires) - and Erick has been jumping into their minds! If MC didn't feel personally in danger, then I could see a vigilante or anti-hero being more sympathetic.

I do think we can't ultimately judge until we get the bigger picture. What do our authors have in mind for Pt 2 about the Thread, and particularly their breeding project. There certainly must be some reason why all the hingetus girls are so young. Is it something like "we make monsters, so we can kill monsters, so we can run society!"? Is it more like "They're a sad side effect from our crazy bioengineering experiments that we need to contain"? Depending on the backstory there (and possible hingetus organization?) and how directly involved Marvelous is, perhaps that changes how we look back on that scene.

Next plot twist, Yui is whisper lol
There was a time when I thought hair control girl (when she's shown in the bar, before her scene) was stalker Shuna..
 
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There was a time when I thought hair control girl (when she's shown in the bar, before her scene) was stalker Shuna..
LOL I would actually like to see the hair chick again.
It wouldn't surprise me if her hair was trying to find you some how.

I think that I'm the only person who wants to nab Shuna from Eric.
That bitch should be my stalker! lol
I call dibs! lol *laughing*
 

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I judged that scene before seeing it. Now I think of Marvelous Man a lot differently, though not in a bad way.

Yeah, he slaughtered a bunch of monster girls, but that's kind of what his job is, isn't it? Villains lie all the time an I'm 99% sure he's been backstabbed one too many times to keep loose ends around. Plus, we can't forget the guy was there because of the phone alert. Trying to save whatever hero needed help. Just so happened to be MC.

An Anti-Hero/Vigilante MC should sympathize with the guy. Hero work is tough shit. Hopefully MC can work with him in part 2. Would be interesting.
Yeah, it's hard to condemn his actions completely given the situation, the hingetsus have a reputation of being monsters bent on destruction after all and as you said MM probably has been in that situation fake surrenders many times and suffered for falling for it. On top of that there was a hostage and wasting time neutralizing all of the kidnappers could end badly, I wonder if that one that wanted to kill the MC would take the opportunity to do it if she was closer to him when MM burst into the building.

As you said, vigilante MC would at least understand the situation, anti-hero would probably agree wholeheartely with it. Guess he is shocked with MM's behaviour due to all those rumors and acusations about the Hero organization being corrupt and heroes acting like jerks destroying the image he had about heroes being ultra clean paragons of justice that never kill and always imprison the bad guys while giving a speech about truth and freedom. And as someone else said, if it was a bunch of tentacle monsters no one would bat an eye about that incident...

I do worry that MM could be a little too much like homelander and kill civilians and hostages if it's convenient to him but it didn't get to this point yet, MC just speculated about it. And the Hero organization's experiments are a little shady too, but so far we only have Winter's testimony on the matter and she makes it sound like it's just torture with nothing else to it.
 
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Finisterrex

Why is it only Ginger wants our number.
Its not like the M.C. Calls people at night breathing heavy.
*giggling*

Seriously though, great job on this update.
 

Aetheran

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So I had a question in my post earlier, but I think my wall-of-text style of posting made people miss it, so I'll just repeat it again:

I got to the antihero/vig/hero branching part of the game last night. Is there a list of what girls are available or are locked out on which of the 3 branching paths?

I've glanced through this thread a bit. From the few things I've read, some girls are only available on specific paths? (I read the dev saying they can't see someone named "Ava" ever being available on the vig/hero path or something? I haven't met her yet tho). This... kinda sucks. I'm not a fan of being forced to replay a game because a specific path I chose doesn't have the LIs I'm interested in. I don't even know all the girls yet but I'm being presented with a branching option that I have no idea what it locks me out of. It'll really suck if I pick one, continue playing for another X amount of hours before I realize "oh shit, this new girl I'm really interested in is not available as a LI because I picked this path.".

So ya... any list of what I'm locking myself out of by choosing antihero/vig/hero?
 
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