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RolandG.

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I think they were going to kill her if they believed she was lying to them. Now I think they will hold her till MC bring Van Horne to meet them and help them. Not really sure how MC is going to convince them that he is in fact Van Horne since he doesn't really have anything to identify himself as Mr. Van Horne. (at least that I remember)
Yes, that would be very difficult.

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ImperialD

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i agree with others when saying wtf did MC leave Cam behind like that .. it does not make any sense ... with as far as the game has gone to this point ... the MC would never have done something so stupid ... but i guess there is always a starting point where MC being stupid would start :rolleyes:
 

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i agree with others when saying wtf did MC leave Cam behind like that .. it does not make any sense ... with as far as the game has gone to this point ... the MC would never have done something so stupid ... but i guess there is always a starting point where MC being stupid would start :rolleyes:
Well he is building trust and likely is pretty sure she is not in danger and they are aware she is not a player or has knowledge they want and see Cam as just someone he inherited from his father, an employee. Him making a big point about her though might make them see Cam as a useable bargaining chip.

Now he himself might be in more danger with what he knows about the sister if he does not win their trust.
 

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yes ESPECIALLY since it sure seemed like they were just on the edge of KILLING HER!
Not killing. Asa planed to interrogate her, using torture, probably just psychological, if necessary.

But, now that she's aware that MC know who she is, and that her ex employer is looking for her, she will probably not even do that. It's a too high risk. It's not just about loosing a possible contact with Van Horne that is in play, one phone call from MC and her sister is in deep shit.
Haruka was clearly surprised that he know she have a sister, what prove to them that MC have the right connections ; he found, in a really short laps of time, an information that he probably shouldn't have found at all. And not only he knew that Asa is her sister, but also what was her job, and that she's still looked for. It's not the kind of information you get from the first guy you phone too, nor that leak to the first person who ask.
They also made an error by asking if he have connection with the houses, because now MC have two options. Either he warn the government, telling them where is their missing agent, or he warn the houses, what would be worse.

In the end, pissing off MC is not something they can afford to do. They can be cold, even harsh, it would have no consequences, it's just business. If he planed to snitch about them, he would have already done it. And if he wanted to threaten them, he shown that he have a lever for that. But they aren't stupid enough to think that there isn't a limit ; it's not snitching cowardly if you do it to take revenge of a torture act or a murder.
Asa can perhaps think that killing MC is an option, but she can't be sure that she'll do it in time. And someone with her qualification will never take such risk. Therefore, Cam is safe, she'll go back at home relaxed by a good orgasm.

But yet MC shouldn't have left Cam alone, especially with Asa being so cold and nearly threatening. Normally he should have phoned Devon the instant he left the house, asking her to ensure that Cam will really left safe.
Right now, he can't be sure that they are harmless. His accident, his father's death, all this can be due to Asa, since she have the knowledge and the contacts, perhaps because the father refused to present them to Mr. Van Horne, or more. I highly doubt it's what happened, but in the context their insistence should have raised at least some suspicion and made him act.
And it's not just their insistence that should have raised his suspicion. They aren't only interested by Van Horne, Asa also questioned him about Global Frontier. It's not a secret that it was his father's property, but it have nothing to do with the subject at hand. They are supposed to talk about a partnership to handle their assets, an import/export company have no place in such discussion.
I highly doubt that they want to see him to talk about real estate. I mean, seeing him in person would not tell them more than having a phone call, or an email discussion, with him. They wouldn't have more proof that it's really him just because he is in front of them, since they have no idea what he looks like (else they would have know it was MC's father). And obviously, asking him for an ID would be highly offending.


But well, all this is assuming that the story is correctly handled and wrote. So far it seem to be the case... except this "I'll left her and just go to sleep" ending, that clearly feel like a forced deus ex machina cliffhanger.
 

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Well he is building trust and likely is pretty sure she is not in danger and they are aware she is not a player or has knowledge they want and see Cam as just someone he inherited from his father, an employee. Him making a big point about her though might make them see Cam as a useable bargaining chip.

Now he himself might be in more danger with what he knows about the sister if he does not win their trust.
decent response .. not buying it .. but decent response
 
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Not killing. Asa planed to interrogate her, using torture, probably just psychological, if necessary.

But, now that she's aware that MC know who she is, and that her ex employer is looking for her, she will probably not even do that. It's a too high risk. It's not just about loosing a possible contact with Van Horne that is in play, one phone call from MC and her sister is in deep shit.
Haruka was clearly surprised that he know she have a sister, what prove to them that MC have the right connections ; he found, in a really short laps of time, an information that he probably shouldn't have found at all. And not only he knew that Asa is her sister, but also what was her job, and that she's still looked for. It's not the kind of information you get from the first guy you phone too, nor that leak to the first person who ask.
They also made an error by asking if he have connection with the houses, because now MC have two options. Either he warn the government, telling them where is their missing agent, or he warn the houses, what would be worse.

In the end, pissing off MC is not something they can afford to do. They can be cold, even harsh, it would have no consequences, it's just business. If he planed to snitch about them, he would have already done it. And if he wanted to threaten them, he shown that he have a lever for that. But they aren't stupid enough to think that there isn't a limit ; it's not snitching cowardly if you do it to take revenge of a torture act or a murder.
Asa can perhaps think that killing MC is an option, but she can't be sure that she'll do it in time. And someone with her qualification will never take such risk. Therefore, Cam is safe, she'll go back at home relaxed by a good orgasm.

But yet MC shouldn't have left Cam alone, especially with Asa being so cold and nearly threatening. Normally he should have phoned Devon the instant he left the house, asking her to ensure that Cam will really left safe.
Right now, he can't be sure that they are harmless. His accident, his father's death, all this can be due to Asa, since she have the knowledge and the contacts, perhaps because the father refused to present them to Mr. Van Horne, or more. I highly doubt it's what happened, but in the context their insistence should have raised at least some suspicion and made him act.
And it's not just their insistence that should have raised his suspicion. They aren't only interested by Van Horne, Asa also questioned him about Global Frontier. It's not a secret that it was his father's property, but it have nothing to do with the subject at hand. They are supposed to talk about a partnership to handle their assets, an import/export company have no place in such discussion.
I highly doubt that they want to see him to talk about real estate. I mean, seeing him in person would not tell them more than having a phone call, or an email discussion, with him. They wouldn't have more proof that it's really him just because he is in front of them, since they have no idea what he looks like (else they would have know it was MC's father). And obviously, asking him for an ID would be highly offending.


But well, all this is assuming that the story is correctly handled and wrote. So far it seem to be the case... except this "I'll left her and just go to sleep" ending, that clearly feel like a forced deus ex machina cliffhanger.
not here to argue with you but did you notice the hand gun with the SURPRESSOR???? you don't use those to interrogate or torture someone!!!! Those are only used to KILL SOMEONE!!
 

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So, got done with 0.16.1 and as such, got once again, caught up with the Dev.

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Anyways, thank you for the game thus far, and looking forward for more.
 

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To me it didn't look that bad, sure they had the gun, but that was more for if she fought them, after their quick talk, they knew she wasn't the one that they needed. Returning to the MC they were able to find out he was the one they needed, from the point of view of an author that was the best option, the next day he'll visit her at work, or something, and if she's not there shit will hit the fan. They know he can ruin them all, and cut them off from Van Horn, so she'll be fine.
They can't harm her or they will never get to Van Horn, and I suspect that they need him for more than just property, I suspect that they knew more than they should have, and the big sister knew there was more to the Van Horn family, and especially Frontier Global, they need him.
Then again if he comes forward as Van Horn then his secret Identity is gone, unless he uses the whole mirrored room method to meet them, and somehow proves who he is without showing his face.

Ohh and with the massage, that is one of the most effective ways to get information without losing the contact, it also doesn't look like interrogation.

Again this is just the view of a currently small time author, I can see it working out something like this though.
 
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not here to argue with you but did you notice the hand gun with the SURPRESSOR????
Of course I noticed it, and ?


you don't use those to interrogate or torture someone!!!! Those are only used to KILL SOMEONE!!
Really ? When torture works, it's not because you inflicted enough suffering, but because you made your victim imagine the worse scenario. You don't break the person when she suffered more than she can take, but when she think that she'll not be able to take the next step. Human body have an amazing resistance capability when it come to pain, while human brain have this tendency to overestimate the pain, and consequences, that something can inflict.
And Asa torture set is perfectly arranged for that. The scenario starts with some orgasm denials, followed by minor suffering, then lacerations and/or minor amputations. And if you still refuse to talk after that, you're of no interest and will be killed.

Just present some knifes, or other torture devices, and at each step the victim will think that you'll not have the nerves to go further ; that his resistance so far will make you think that he'll never talk whatever you do. But if the last tool seem to have no other purpose than definitively dispose of you, it's another story. If your tormentor is ready to kill you, what would stop him to cut all your fingers before that ? Worse, since the gun is at hand access, he already expect that he'll need it, what imply that he'll not go soft on you, because he imagine that you're way stronger than you effectively are.
And it works, your comment prove it. You aren't even the victim, but you clearly imagine that Cam is at real risk to die.


This being said, you can do worse with a gun than killing. Don't know for the rest of the world, but the three major separatist (some would say terrorist) European movements of the end of the 20th century (ETA, IRA, CNLF) had the habit to destroy the knee cap of the snitches and traitors. Due to the state of surgery at this time, it implied that you still have your leg, bet can not anymore bend it ; it's a 60% handicap and you lost a big part of your mobility. They tend to prefer to use a baseball bat for this, but, time to time, goes for a bullet in the knee cap when they wanted the message to be really clear or had no time for that.
The same can be done with the elbow and shoulder. And believe me, after that your life can be miserable enough for you to regret to not died that day.
Therefore, you can perfectly use a handgun to torture someone ; you just need the right caliber, a 9mm or smaller will obviously not do it:
  • I'll start nicely, just reducing your movement capabilities.
  • Hmm, do you really not want to talk ? Next bullet is for your other knee. [Side note: After years of reeducation and training, you can walk again on your own. It will be slow and like a penguin, because unlike the case where you lost both your legs, you can't bend them, but it will be walking.]
  • Well, since it's what you want... Hope you know how to use your left hand, because with the next bullet you'll lost the usage of your right one.
  • It's your last chance, really. With the following bullet it's your left arm that you'll lost. You'll not anymore be able to do something on your own. So far you can still go to toilet by yourself, but in few seconds you'll even need someone to wipe your ass.

Plus, there's many places in the body where a 9mm bullet wouldn't be fatal, yet really painful. Here again, it goes with the victim anticipation. You let her imagine where will be the next wound, how much more painful it will be, and at what time the wounds will starts to be irreversible.
Cam is a woman, few 9mm bullets in the boobs, but not from the front, from the side, will not kill her. Yet I imagine that it hurt. And I don't talk about the moral impact to have her boobs disfigured, nor the pain each time she'll move, because her boobs also move and stir the scars.
Put a 22 short rifle in her vagina, at touching range with her womb. Once again you'll not kill her, but I assume that there's less painful as hysterectomy. And once again it's the moral impact that matter here, not the pain itself.


Hey, why are you all stepping back ? I'm nice, don't worry... ;)
 
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