packard1928

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I hope we can see something ( art ) for the holiday.

Here is my thought. Kat comes out to here husband after he is kicked out. How "cum" she does not show any evidance of the blast she got on the bed from darrell on th robe ?
 

rob7278

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Man, I just can't get into the cuckold fetish.
I can totally get into sharing, swinging, open relationships.
Don't get me wrong - everyone isn't going to be into every fetish. But I have really tried to be open minded and I have come a long way in at least understanding and appreciating cuckolding. It just doesn't really do anything for me.

I will say - this so far has been the best (by far) depiction of the cuckold fetish. I like the fact that the Nat and the MC have a really strong relationship and she is very concerned with the MC feelings. It was an awesome part of the story when Nat and Darrel were going to go for round 2 and Darrel told the MC he should leave the room, then Nat stopped everything and wanted to go out and be with the MC and asked Darrel to leave.
So I really like that the Dev is making this more romantic between the MC and his wife. I mean - I wouldn't say I am a romantic. But most VN's with cuckolding, the wife/girlfriend is a real bitch when cucking the MC.

So what I will say is - if you are someone like me who isn't really into the cuckold genre, but is curious and open minded, this VN is very well done in being fairly moderate so far. The wife isn't nasty to the MC about screwing other guys (although there are NTR paths where she isnt so loving and caring) and the guy (Darrel) is actually really cool to the MC about the whole thing - at least up to this point and on certain paths.

I will also add that I think the Dev is playing up the BBC angle a little much, but honestly that is pretty much true in practically every VN. I realize that VN's are fantasy, but seriously have you every watched Dred or Mandingo or other well endowed black pornstars having sex with someone? These women are professional sex workers and most of them can't take all of these BBC's and the ones that are able to take the whole thing have more of a pained or frightened look on their face, it certainly isn't the look of pure extacy.
I am mostly making this comment jokingly, but seriously the average woman wouldn't be able to take half of these BBC's that are the size of a baby's arm.
 

mistkae

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Man, I just can't get into the cuckold fetish.
I can totally get into sharing, swinging, open relationships.
Don't get me wrong - everyone isn't going to be into every fetish. But I have really tried to be open minded and I have come a long way in at least understanding and appreciating cuckolding. It just doesn't really do anything for me.

I will say - this so far has been the best (by far) depiction of the cuckold fetish. I like the fact that the Nat and the MC have a really strong relationship and she is very concerned with the MC feelings. It was an awesome part of the story when Nat and Darrel were going to go for round 2 and Darrel told the MC he should leave the room, then Nat stopped everything and wanted to go out and be with the MC and asked Darrel to leave.
So I really like that the Dev is making this more romantic between the MC and his wife. I mean - I wouldn't say I am a romantic. But most VN's with cuckolding, the wife/girlfriend is a real bitch when cucking the MC.

So what I will say is - if you are someone like me who isn't really into the cuckold genre, but is curious and open minded, this VN is very well done in being fairly moderate so far. The wife isn't nasty to the MC about screwing other guys (although there are NTR paths where she isnt so loving and caring) and the guy (Darrel) is actually really cool to the MC about the whole thing - at least up to this point and on certain paths.

I will also add that I think the Dev is playing up the BBC angle a little much, but honestly that is pretty much true in practically every VN. I realize that VN's are fantasy, but seriously have you every watched Dred or Mandingo or other well endowed black pornstars having sex with someone? These women are professional sex workers and most of them can't take all of these BBC's and the ones that are able to take the whole thing have more of a pained or frightened look on their face, it certainly isn't the look of pure extacy.
I am mostly making this comment jokingly, but seriously the average woman wouldn't be able to take half of these BBC's that are the size of a baby's arm.
I actually used to be more into cuckoldry and fell out of it. I'm more into sharing now. The key to understanding it, at least from an intellectual perspective and not emotional one, is that it all comes from a place of pain. Turning pain into pleasure, aka masochism. That is all to say that it probably holds more for people with self-esteem issues, lack of sexual confidence, past trauma, and/or various other forms of inner turmoil. If you don't feel that, then that's likely a good thing. :)

As for the BBC thing, it's still an actual fetish, whether it's grounded in reality or not. The "mythical" BBC exists in real life and it exists enough to an extent that there are stereotypes about it and the internet is chock full of professional and amateur content that supports those stereotypes. And, there are women who can take every inch believe it or not (not just anally, but vaginally and orally too). In fact, it was only relatively recently I learned about the that, pretty much, only larger endowed penises can reach. Anyway, I could go on, but the point is that I think it's fine to indulge these fantasies in these stories and games online, much better to keep it in this space than carry it into the real world.
 
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Yokanzo

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I actually used to be more into cuckoldry and fell out of it. I'm more into sharing now. The key to understanding it, at least from an intellectual perspective and not emotional one, is that it all comes from a place of pain. Turning pain into pleasure, aka masochism. That is all to say that it probably holds more for people with self-esteem issues, lack of sexual confidence, past trauma, and/or various other forms of inner turmoil. If you don't feel that, then that's likely a good thing. :)
The cuckold fetish is a lot of things. Not everyone with it has self esteem issues. I would argue if you have a self-esteem problem, then cuckolding might be unhealthy as you might progressively try to constantly relive personal trauma.

It's important to differentiate cuckolds as portrayed in porn and cuckolds who exist in real life. Ultimately there are perfectly well-endowed men with good careers, personalities and well balanced romantic lives who STILL have this fetish and some actively practice it with their partners. There are also so called "alphas" who actually have deep insecurities hence they engage in performative displays of dominance or "confidence" in an attempt show everyone else they're better by degrading or leveling themselves above others to "prove" something they should already know and understand from a deep seated and true sense of confidence.

Anyway there's a million ways to practice cuckolding and not everyone fits so neatly into psychological and status oriented boxes like alpha male vs beta male etc.

If you grew up with your earliest sexual experiences being porn for example, a cuckolding fetish can develop because you're most comfortable and turned on seeing a woman get fucked from different angles and being able to focus on her pleasure and experiences in ways you can't when you are the one fucking her. You get conditioned into it, and gradually lose interest if you stop watching porn and gradually "train" yourself to get aroused from other more direct means.

If you spend most of your life trying to meet certain standards and perform (whether you're a high achiever or you always lead and make decisions) then there's a lot of relief and relaxation in being degraded or forced to feel rock bottom because now you have no standard to meet, no task to perform and you are being led rather than leading. You're now in the back seat and your wife/partner is doing the driving with another man. Humiliation can play a big role in this but more to do with being relived of responsibility and emotional labor. Imagine for example how it feels if you're on a road trip and halfway through after 10 hours of driving someone else offers to drive and you get to sit back and enjoy the scenery? It's like that.

Finally while I'm sure there's masochistic men who want to be humiliated because the angst feels good but its not the only reason. Sometimes men find their partner more desirable if they see her fucking other people. She becomes hotter, it triggers some primal urges like sperm competition. I also think cuckolding wouldn't nearly be as popular as it is if the taboo around extramarital sex was less pronounced or if women were shamed less for having high sex drives or wanting to have sex with multiple partners. Some people just get off on the idea of their seemingly proper wife turning into a massive slut doing what is normally forbidden or what she "isn't supposed to do".

Long story short cuckolding has a lot of angles, many of them don't have anything to do with your self esteem or your manliness. In some cases getting your partner to cuckold you at your behest is a sign you're incredibly confident in your worth as a partner to them that you think they will still return to you despite having intimate sex with another man whereas someone more insecure would get angry or violent.

This is just my opinion but I think a lot of men go into relationships with a scarcity mindset "I gotta lock this one down because she's so amazing and I can't do better" vs "I really like this person and I can see myself spending my life with her. But as much as it would hurt for our relationship to fail, it's not the end of the world, I will meet someone else who's better suited for me and I am comfortable enough with myself as a man that I can be alone until that happens again".

Many people will repeat the latter sentence as a mantra while harboring deep insecurities and not truly knowing and understanding that they're still valuable. Whether you have value as a partner or not is a choice you get to make and people will automatically fall into your headspace with you if you cultivate genuine beliefs and faith in yourself. Unfortunately it does take faith, you have to unconditionally love yourself the way a parent loves a child or a dog regardless of how badly they fuck up. When you can create that sensation within yourself you don't need another person to make you whole and suddenly the risk of losing your partner to another man does not become as life crushing as it used to be (unless you're married and they take half your wealth).

Long story short, confidence issues masquerade in a variety of coping mechanisms that range from wanting to be cuckolded to reinforce self limiting beliefs to performative behaviors where you constantly degrade others, or try to hit on their girlfriends to prove something. Gotta look past the ACT and look into the underlying reasons WHY you are doing the act.
 
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rob7278

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As for the BBC thing, it's still an actual fetish, whether it's grounded in reality or not. The "mythical" BBC exists in real life and it exists enough to an extent that there are stereotypes about it and the internet is chock full of professional and amateur content that supports those stereotypes. And, there are women who can take every inch believe it or not (not just anally, but vaginally and orally too). In fact, it was only relatively recently I learned about the that, pretty much, only larger endowed penises can reach. Anyway, I could go on, but the point is that I think it's fine to indulge these fantasies in these stories and games online, much better to keep it in this space than carry it into the real world.
I was really just joking about the BBC thing. I know that BBC is a legit fetish. My comment was mostly just chuckling about the massive size that is generally depicted of BBC's.

For anyone that is interested in some dick trivia:
Supposedly that average size of a Caucasian dick is 5.75 inches.
The average size of an African-American dick is 6.25 inches
The average size of an Asian dick is 5.25 inches.
I don't know where these stats come from or how accurate they really are, but I have seen these numbers referenced on several different sites.
The pornstar Dredd is credited with having the 'world's biggest dick'. There is a video where Dredd is measured with one of those seamstress tape measures and he measures 8.5 inches long and 6-6.25 inches thick (circumference). As a point of reference there is another video where a woman is holding a tube of Pilsbury Crescent Rolls next to Dredd's dick and he is definitely longer, but not as thick. A tube of Crescent Rolls is 7 inches long and about 2 inches in diameter (which is about 6.5 inches thick).
So if you are ever curious to see how you stack up against the world's biggest dick, hold a tube of Pilsbury Crescent Rolls next to your dick and that will give you a pretty accurate comparison.

I didn't mean to hijack this thread to talk about dick sizes. I just always chuckle to see how enormous dicks are depicted in adult VN's and especially BBC. But the same can be said about boobs, asses, etc, etc.
...... and I realize it is probably a bit weird that I know so much about dick sizes. I'm a curious guy, what can I say :)
 

Yokanzo

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Men definitely care more about penis size than women do, on average. The author is pushing some deep seated buttons driven by primarily visually stimulated male ideas about virility and attractiveness. A man thinks an attractive man is a large muscular guy with a big dick, big balls and ejaculations so big it's like a one man bukkake show. I think stuff like this matters more to us than it does women, but not in absolutes - more like a spectrum that skews male.
 

lipe2410

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I personaly would love if in some paths show that Nat has more pleasure with Ethan's cock, even when she get bigger dicks, because he is not only skilled in sex, knows what Nat like, but also because Ethan's cock and Nat's pussy are a perfect fit.
 

mistkae

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Oct 23, 2017
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The cuckold fetish is a lot of things. Not everyone with it has self esteem issues. I would argue if you have a self-esteem problem, then cuckolding might be unhealthy as you might progressively try to constantly relive personal trauma.

It's important to differentiate cuckolds as portrayed in porn and cuckolds who exist in real life. Ultimately there are perfectly well-endowed men with good careers, personalities and well balanced romantic lives who STILL have this fetish and some actively practice it with their partners. There are also so called "alphas" who actually have deep insecurities hence they engage in performative displays of dominance or "confidence" in an attempt show everyone else they're better by degrading or leveling themselves above others to "prove" something they should already know and understand from a deep seated and true sense of confidence.

Anyway there's a million ways to practice cuckolding and not everyone fits so neatly into psychological and status oriented boxes like alpha male vs beta male etc.

If you grew up with your earliest sexual experiences being porn for example, a cuckolding fetish can develop because you're most comfortable and turned on seeing a woman get fucked from different angles and being able to focus on her pleasure and experiences in ways you can't when you are the one fucking her. You get conditioned into it, and gradually lose interest if you stop watching porn and gradually "train" yourself to get aroused from other more direct means.

If you spend most of your life trying to meet certain standards and perform (whether you're a high achiever or you always lead and make decisions) then there's a lot of relief and relaxation in being degraded or forced to feel rock bottom because now you have no standard to meet, no task to perform and you are being led rather than leading. You're now in the back seat and your wife/partner is doing the driving with another man. Humiliation can play a big role in this but more to do with being relived of responsibility and emotional labor. Imagine for example how it feels if you're on a road trip and halfway through after 10 hours of driving someone else offers to drive and you get to sit back and enjoy the scenery? It's like that.

Finally while I'm sure there's masochistic men who want to be humiliated because the angst feels good but its not the only reason. Sometimes men find their partner more desirable if they see her fucking other people. She becomes hotter, it triggers some primal urges like sperm competition. I also think cuckolding wouldn't nearly be as popular as it is if the taboo around extramarital sex was less pronounced or if women were shamed less for having high sex drives or wanting to have sex with multiple partners. Some people just get off on the idea of their seemingly proper wife turning into a massive slut doing what is normally forbidden or what she "isn't supposed to do".

Long story short cuckolding has a lot of angles, many of them don't have anything to do with your self esteem or your manliness. In some cases getting your partner to cuckold you at your behest is a sign you're incredibly confident in your worth as a partner to them that you think they will still return to you despite having intimate sex with another man whereas someone more insecure would get angry or violent.

This is just my opinion but I think a lot of men go into relationships with a scarcity mindset "I gotta lock this one down because she's so amazing and I can't do better" vs "I really like this person and I can see myself spending my life with her. But as much as it would hurt for our relationship to fail, it's not the end of the world, I will meet someone else who's better suited for me and I am comfortable enough with myself as a man that I can be alone until that happens again".

Many people will repeat the latter sentence as a mantra while harboring deep insecurities and not truly knowing and understanding that they're still valuable. Whether you have value as a partner or not is a choice you get to make and people will automatically fall into your headspace with you if you cultivate genuine beliefs and faith in yourself. Unfortunately it does take faith, you have to unconditionally love yourself the way a parent loves a child or a dog regardless of how badly they fuck up. When you can create that sensation within yourself you don't need another person to make you whole and suddenly the risk of losing your partner to another man does not become as life crushing as it used to be (unless you're married and they take half your wealth).

Long story short, confidence issues masquerade in a variety of coping mechanisms that range from wanting to be cuckolded to reinforce self limiting beliefs to performative behaviors where you constantly degrade others, or try to hit on their girlfriends to prove something. Gotta look past the ACT and look into the underlying reasons WHY you are doing the act.
You're not wrong about whether it's harmful to individuals with psychological issues, but when does that stop people from continuing destructive behavior that they enjoy, like drugs?

I also don't disagree with your assessment of different types of "cuckoldry"; but, you're heading into the nomenclature controversy we see with this terminology. When I say cuckoldry, I literally only refer to the humiliation/degradation play and not to hotwifing, slutwifing, one-sided open relationships, swinging, sharing, etc. which is what many of your examples seem closer to. We don't have the same terminology here in the west, but it's kind of like the difference between netorare and netorase in Japan, and even those have their own subcategories. But you raise a good point about the rock-bottom example, I could see that being a way my specific cuckoldry could apply without the mental profiles I referenced.

Men definitely care more about penis size than women do, on average. The author is pushing some deep seated buttons driven by primarily visually stimulated male ideas about virility and attractiveness. A man thinks an attractive man is a large muscular guy with a big dick, big balls and ejaculations so big it's like a one man bukkake show. I think stuff like this matters more to us than it does women, but not in absolutes - more like a spectrum that skews male.
Agreed, but I have to say that 10 years ago I would see hardly any women on the QoS/BoW fetish sites. Now, there are more and more women who are at least excited by the whole idea of sharing (not so much cuckoldry like I said), and TikTok and other social media and factors seem to be influencing these numbers. I even role played with a girl for weeks pretending we had a BBC-only hotwife relationship, it was pretty exhilarating stuff. And she knew other girls into it as well.

Anyway, just to steer this back towards the game, KingB definitely is doing a good job of capturing the cuckold mindset and the dynamics at play in all these scenarios.
 
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Yokanzo

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You're not wrong about whether it's harmful to individuals with psychological issues, but when does that stop people from continuing destructive behavior that they enjoy, like drugs?

I also don't disagree with your assessment of different types of "cuckoldry"; but, you're heading into the nomenclature controversy we see with this terminology. When I say cuckoldry, I literally only refer to the humiliation/degradation play with a non-SO partner and not to hotwifing, slutwifing, one-sided open relationships, swinging, sharing, etc. which is what many of your examples seem closer to. We don't have the same terminology here in the west, but it's kind of like the difference between netorare and netorase in Japan, and even those have their own subcategories. But you raise a good point about the rock-bottom example, I could see that being a way my specific cuckoldry could apply without the mental profiles I referenced.



Agreed, but I have to say that 10 years ago I would see hardly any women on the QoS/BoW fetish sites. Now, there are more and more women who are at least excited by the whole idea of sharing (not so much cuckoldry like I said), and TikTok and other social media and factors seem to be influencing these numbers. I even role played with a girl for weeks pretending we had a BBC-only hotwife relationship, it was pretty exhilarating stuff. And she knew other girls into it as well.

Anyway, just to steer this back towards the game, KingB definitely is doing a good job of capturing the cuckold mindset and the dynamics at play in all these scenarios.
I think cuckold humiliation is fun if it's a game you play and not a permanent lifestyle where you lose control. Like you said KingB captured the cuckold mindset better than MANY other authors could. I would argue only the guy behind "Watching my Wife" also knows what's up. Sometimes people want what they can't have and artificially introducing scarcity or this concept of a better man fucking her better than you can gives you an addictive dopamine rush that makes you aroused when you would otherwise be finished sexually. It needs to be balanced, rules need to be followed.

If it spirals out of control to the point where you can no longer "switch off" and have a normal relationship then you have major problem. If you internalize the humiliation as a part of your identity, it's a serious problem. But if you think of it like a little vacation into sub-space where you aren't in control and you don't have any status or standard to uphold, then it's not much different from the guy who pays an occasional visit to a dominatrix before resuming his normal life.

At the end of the day the game lets you pick the dynamic. If you want to be more submissive, Ethan picks submissive choices and she will deny him a little more. If you want it more balanced, hold her hand while she's getting fucked and protect her from more aggressive guys like Vance. If you want to be hurt really badly, you can be a reluctant cuck or just straight up cruise through the NTR route and kick her out of your house and go fuck Riyah.

Also: wanted to add really quickly:

10 years ago Web 2.0 was in its infancy.
The reason you're seeing more QoS/BoW fetish sites and why Tiktok/Social media influence these numbers is because you are interested in it and the algorithms behind now mature Web 2.0 technology are designed to capture data metrics about your interests and feed you more of what you like. If you don't think critically about what is "pushed" on you via your various feeds you can easily be locked into a self reinforcing loop that can affect your judgement about the world once you log off.

We now live in an internet that knows you better than you know yourself and will keep feeding you what you want until you establish new interests outside of what is recommended or shown to you... My tiktok will look vastly different than your Tiktok and that confirmation bias means anyone dependent on passive internet notifications for their information will live in a parallel universe from another person whos reality will look vastly different.
 
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