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I also suspect it will happen, but it can be worth mentioning that King B said on Patreon that he was still undecided on that front, and had to see how the story progressed and the input of players.

That was months ago, so maybe now he has decided what to do about that. The problem, again, is the number of routes and permutations: if for Riya we have a route where she hooks up with a single Ethan that has kicked out Nat, another one for a a cheating Ethan still with a (faithfull or not) Nat, another for a cuckquean/swinger Nat (and all those four have been hinted)... And then in some or all of them you add the possibility of Riya cucking Ethan with Darrel or some other bull… Well, you end up with probably too many routes! (for a NPC not that important until now). At some point you have to trim the number of paths, I’m afraid.
It's true, there is already too many routes for the dev to reasonably handle. And all of these variations would require at least a few unique renders on each path. While others you can simply change the text and maybe add some minor changes in facial expressions which we have seen done before. You would also have to make sure it fits the story of that particular path otherwise it might feel a bit incoherent and out of place.
 
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It's true, there is already too many routes for the dev to reasonably handle. And all of these variations would require at least a few unique renders on each path. While others you can simply change the text and maybe add some minor changes in facial expressions which we have seen done before. You would also have to make sure it fits the story of that particular path otherwise it might feel a bit incoherent and out of place.
If I was to complain about anything, that would be it. More route-specific renders would be in order. I get it, renders take a lot of time. They take time to set up, cost money for any additional assets, not to mention the cost of the equipment and electricity used.


Nat's lingerie for her first online appearance.(Poll)
If you have chosen to work with Jenna, Nat will soon join Jenna's online show to debut in the adult entertainment world.
You can choose the sexy lingerie attire for Nat's introduction to a new set of fans.
While you are at it, please recommend a few stage names Nat could use in this new profession to retain her anonymity while sounding sexy.

Red lingerie.

Black lingerie
like both but prefer mini-skirt, she could wear that to the gloryhole in the adult-club
And of course Ethen would video her escapades to upload later!
 

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Hi guys, i’m here again and I bring some thoughts about the game.

When I criticize Darrel, I’m not being racist, the world have a lot of handsome black guys. I’m not crazy about this. The point is just Darrell is not one of them. Actually he don’t need be handsome to be a bull, but to be a good bull he should to prove himself. And ok, he’s doing it right. He’s good guy with Ethan. But, I can’t agree with the idea that nat will fall in love with him just because he’s well-endowed or playboy. It doesn’t makes sense, even for a size queen (what is not clear if Nat turned into or not). Size queen is just about turn on about well-endowed guys, not about fall in love with a ugly guy with a horse dick.

Actually the big problem there is that we don’t have any substitute for Darrel. In the last path, I finally understand that king b is developing two storylines: Closed to Darrell or Closed to Jenna. Well, I disagree A LOT. I believe that the pretended route with Darrell will KILL THE GAME, there’s not to explore, just cheating, blackmailing, neglecting Ethan. Traditional NTR. Maybe patreons are asking for Dar because we don’t have a substitute for him, that’s literally my ALL-IN Bet. Despite of that, I like the idea of nat becoming a onlyfans model. She could goes shy (dependent of her husband) or she could goes deep on this (less dependent of him). Darrell should to be just what he is: a Bull. I would love if Ethan had an affair with his job partner (forget her name) or if he just broke with nat if she neglect him, and then replace her for other woman. In the end, I would avoid to turn these routes obrigatory. We don't need to choose a job for nat, we need to choose how she will face the marriage. Onlyfans job should be only about more and more contents, exploring new boundaries.

If king b is thinking on a black guy to becoming the boyfriend for Nat, ok, then Darrell should to show a totally different face of his personality what he looks by now. Or the black guy should to be another.

Maybe the best to the DEV is precisely develop routes where ethan and nat will explore exhibitionism, etc. I believe this could really boost the number of patreons. I see a lot of guys who doesn’t feel comfortable with cuckolding. When I was young, I wasn’t comfortable with that. It demanding A LOT of time. Cuckolding demand a slow advance between boundaries. So, the game is right in not forcing us to watch NAT and Dar, but there is not many action outside this storyline. If players don’t score enough decisions to trigger cuckolding, they will only see ethan asking to Nat using less clothes ocasionally or they will see only a exhibitionist scene where Nat and Eth goes to a nudity beach (or where nat does a topless), etc. These contents would be a fantastic increasing to beggining of the game. A neat art is fantastic for exhibitionism. These scenes should not to be scored. Even looking for cuckolding, I would love it. I believe that the exhibitionism inside this game is literally underrated. Even Jenna’s storyline could totally explore exhibitionism.

I really like the idea of Nat doing these things to please ethan at first, but enjoying everything and going more deep in this lifestyle, like she’s doing.

sorry if i did gramatical mistakes, I'm hurried
 
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do not overthink, More orgy, swinging scenes is better, no need for emotional relation just juice sex life up
if cheating route is concerned Nat may catch her husband with another chick and revenge fuck some younger guys to show him she is still desired by many, no need to have a relation with a bbc, just substiute for dildo.
And grammer will not be critisized here.
in old man peter nat may reluctedly, disgustingly pleasure old guy for needed money

one question why is nat blacklisted? i missed that part of the story?
 

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In the routes where Nat apologizes, she does so from the heart and accepts that the love she has for Ethan is stronger than any temptation. It would have been interesting if closing the door on Darrel had given Mat or Vance an opportunity to continue the story trap
If we choose Jenna, the content we see will depend on the route we are playing, I suppose the strongest content will be the dominant/submissive Ethan, I suppose there we would see double penetration from Nat or maybe an orgy on a beach where Ethan can record and participate. or just record
 

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I could see Nat leaving Ethan for Darrel, only to then realize too late how much she messed up by doing so. Then Nat becomes a total slut to punish herself for messing up the only relationship that actually mattered to her. All the while, she gets to see how Ethan has moved on just fine without her.

Fast forward five years:
Nat, looking rough after a night of partying, happens to see Ethan and what must be his beautiful wife and two kids, sitting at a table. Tears start flowing, as she quickly walks away. :p
That's literally the only way this ever plays out lmao. If she's unfaithful to one good dude she's unfaithful to all of them, and guys like darryl aren't capable of meaningful relationships he mainly thinks with his dick. If one has a problem they all do. He's obviously not abusive or any major deal breaker, leaving him she cements herself as a trash tier woman like jenna. A majority of her appeal comes from the fact that she's sexy as fuck, but she's her husband's loyal wife first and foremost. Even on the darryl route if she doesn't demonstrate clear love and preference for her husband there's just no point, no arousal. It's why it's lame that there's no aftercare scenes and that last one the reclaim was off screen which was cringe but saw it coming. Riya's obviously got a tenderness to her that would make a good wife and obviously very into ethan since she's practically throwing herself at him when it was stated she's normally cold to dudes. It would be great to have a route where he moves on with her, either due to nat cheating or ethan's cucking going too far. I figure it's an absolute win he got his fetish out of his system gets burned by it and learns his lesson, then finds a new pretty young wife to move on with scott free since the bottom line is a woman would be lucky to have him, his ex in shambles after ruining herself and abandoning the one man who actually loved her for real and not because she was a good fuck with a nice face and ass. It would be ideal if there was more decisions for either of them to stop. Either ethan draws a line and let a sub route where she agrees/accepts or nat draws a line or says look getting fucked is great but I miss just being my husband's wife only or something of that sort, maybe in her reluctant route where she indulges him exclusively for his fetish. I honestly prefer the idea of nat being a "perfect" wife and she goes along with his fetish purely to get her husband off, like she gets off and the sex is good but what made it good for her was seeing how her husband got off to it, and either the moment he feels done she stops because the whole point was to please her husband, or she becomes too emotionally drained and needs to stop because it feels like her marriage is not only desecrated but she finds that she has to put on a porn star act for him more often than she gets to just be herself(explaining the mood swings depression and the high variance in her behavior). Idk maybe it's cuz I never attached my identity to job or money that it seems really immature of her to be so broken up over losing some desk job. I'd understand a career ending injury if you were training for the olympics right before the games but she just did some boring shit sitting in a desk. No one wants to be there its for the pay. And them not being able to live on ethan's income means they are being wasteful with money like finance isn't hard and I'd assume the area they live in is just that expensive which is weird because they moved there after having financial problems it was supposed to be cheaper. Idk just lot of inconsistency with writing and logic, then again people don't get off on logic it makes everything boring. Not everything has to descend into ntr pig feed lmao. Give them their route if they're the ones paying the bills then make a real story.

Hi guys, i’m here again and I bring some thoughts about the game.

When I criticize Darrel, I’m not being racist, the world have a lot of handsome black guys. I’m not crazy about this. The point is just Darrell is not one of them. Actually he don’t need to be handsome to be a bull, but to be a good bull he should to prove himself. And ok, he’s doing it right. He’s good guy with Ethan. But, I can’t agree with the idea that nat will fall in love with him just because he’s well-endowed or playboy. It doesn’t makes sense, even for a size queen that is not clear if Nat turned into or not. Size queen is just about turn on about well-endowed guys, not about fall in love with a ugly guy with a horse dick.

Actually the big problem there is that we don’t have any substitute for Darrel. In the last path, I finally understand that king b is developing two storylines: Closed to Darrell or Closed to Jenna. Well, I disagree A LOT. I believe that the pretended route with Darrell will KILL THE GAME, there’s not to explore, just cheating, blackmailing, neglecting Ethan. Traditional NTR. Maybe patreons are asking for Dar because we don’t have a substitute for him, that’s literally my ALL-IN Bet. Despite of that, I like the idea of nat becoming a onlyfans model. She could goes shy (dependent of her husband) or she could goes deep on this (less dependent of him). Darrell should to be just what he is: a Bull. I would love if Ethan had an affair with his job partner (forget her name) or if he just broke with nat if she neglect him, and then replace her for other woman. In the end, I would avoid to turn these routes obrigatory. We don't need to choose a job for nat, we need to choose how she will face the marriage. Onlyfans job should be only about more and more contents, exploring new boundaries.

If king b is thinking on a black guy to becoming the boyfriend for Nat, ok, then Darrell should to show a totally different face of his personality what he looks by now. Or the black guy should to be another.

Maybe the best to the DEV is precisely develop routes where ethan and nat will explore exhibitionism, etc. I believe this could really boost the number of patreons. I see a lot of guys who doesn’t feel comfortable with cuckolding. When I was young, I wasn’t comfortable with that. It demanding A LOT of time. Cuckolding demand a slow advance between boundaries. So, the game is right in not forcing us to watch NAT and Dar, but there is not many action outside this storyline. If players don’t score enough decisions to trigger cuckolding, they will only see ethan asking to Nat using less clothes ocasionally or they will see only a exhibitionist scene where Nat and Eth goes to a nudity beach (or where nat does a topless), etc. These contents would be a fantastic increasing to beggining of the game. A neat art is fantastic for exhibitionism. These scenes should not to be scored. Even looking for cuckolding, I would love it. I believe that the exhibitionism inside this game is literally underrated. Even Jenna’s storyline could totally explore exhibitionism.

I really like the idea of Nat doing these things to please ethan at first, but enjoying everything and going more deep in this lifestyle, like she’s doing.

sorry if i did gramatical mistakes, I'm hurried
The reason he writes shit that way is because that's his preferred genre. Look at his books that he advertises, they're literally all husbands getting turned into a beta cuck while his wife accepts some tribal in the jungle as her new husband. Can tell he's just fiending to scream at the top of his lungs "I LOVE N***** DICK BAHAHAHA", since it's literally all he writes about. Darryl's whole personality is he's a human dildo. Him showing up and "consoling" her is just so he doesn't come across as a complete autist with plot armor. Like the moment he appears for the first time he's just staring at her ass like a zombie before plot armor turns on and he suddenly develops perfect game whenever he needs it, and ethan has the choice to either have a bbc cuckold obsession and be like yea this guy fits the bill or send him off like you would with any creep who appears out of nowhere and won't stop creeping on your wife. His existence is pretty much to facilitate ethan's cuck fetish and beyond that you have to do weird shit to retcon his personality like its been established hes just the dude who likes to fuck the wives in the neighborhood whatever the reason, gives him an ego rush to think he can "steal" them away when in reality they were either pushed into it by the husband or the relationship was unstable and the woman disloyal and he was ready to capitalize. he could never keep a woman, cuz that's what being a bull comes down to is you have pipe but that's it, so you go for an easier woman who already has a relationship(ironically the easiest women I've known already in a relationship since she can compare you to the husband its fantasy vs reality, fantasy wins every time plus the husband/boyfriend is there to do the emotional stuff while the other guy is the fantasy and outlet). The fact that after meeting nat he just about drops everything else going on and is at her beck and call is pretty telling, even going as far as to show up when she's depressed hoping to get a piece being "nice" to her. It's too choreographed.

In the routes where Nat apologizes, she does so from the heart and accepts that the love she has for Ethan is stronger than any temptation. It would have been interesting if closing the door on Darrel had given Mat or Vance an opportunity to continue the story trap
If we choose Jenna, the content we see will depend on the route we are playing, I suppose the strongest content will be the dominant/submissive Ethan, I suppose there we would see double penetration from Nat or maybe an orgy on a beach where Ethan can record and participate. or just record
I'm assuming taking jenna's offer you have either feeding the exhibitionist route more which can be hot, or lead into jenna's route where she just becomes like her a full on porn star. Honestly I'm hopeful for the next update. That red outfit is sexy on nat, hope he does a good job with the renders ie hope its something fappable haha. I do like the idea of the vanilla exhibitionist route where they become like the couples in the porn they saw and can make some extra cash posting it, they already had sex in public after that ca r ride and liked it, and they already posted a video of that sex scene with the camera, it's just a natural step in progression and needing the money facilitates it. Hell it can be used to fuel their relationship since it's something they're doing together.
 
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I honestly prefer the idea of nat being a "perfect" wife and she goes along with his fetish purely to get her husband off, like she gets off and the sex is good but what made it good for her was seeing how her husband got off to it, and either the moment he feels done she stops because the whole point was to please her husband
It was pretty hard to read your wall of text, consider using paragraphs when writing such lengthy posts. I did glance through it though and this part stuck out to me. Goes back to my point I made earlier regarding looking to Nat expecting her to be some selfless beacon of morality living purely for Ethan's carnal pleasures.

Yes, this started off as her indulging her husbands fantasies but it also awoke something within herself that she never knew was there. Expecting this drastic change in lifestyle to not change them is a bit naive, and it would also make for very boring writing if the characters don't have some inner conflict with regards to their own desires and what to do with them.

This is like a sexual revolution for Nat, going from being the "perfect" wife, whatever that means, to fucking hung men left and right. Honestly if Nat was the "perfect" wife you are advocating for, god what a boring character that would be, and unrealistic too under these circumstances. Expecting these experiences she is having to not change her in anyway shape or form is silly and show a lack of character progression, stale. Clearly she never knew herself as well as she thought, at least not when it comes to her sexual desires. And I think you are looking at Nat with rose-colored glasses.

Also you said yourself that you knew the genre that the developer is catering to by judging his previous work, so why would you expect something different? Do you expect pizza when ordering hamburgers? And why are you playing the route that is specifically supposed to cater to that audience, I really don't get it...

And my biggest complaint about this game has always been a lack of Nat's inner thoughts, I know that Ethan is the primary perspective and that's fine. But it's a duet, so I wanna see Nat's inner workings as well. Otherwise her actions and behavior will feel out of touch and almost NPC-like. She feels less human. If we got a clearer understanding of her internal struggles and reasoning, then when she does something that might feel out of line we can at least see where it came from, whether you agree with her actions or not.

But unlike you I don't expect Nat to be a saint so it bothers me a lot less. But for you, as someone who looks to her like the "perfect" wife I can understand the frustration when it comes to her behavior, would a clearer understanding of her thoughts/reasoning make it any better? Or do you really just want her to be the perfect angel for Ethan? Cause that would be very boring, and predictable from a writers standpoint. :sleep:
 
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The thing about damaging Nat's reputation is something I know because I saw it where I work, in the minds of these people we are units that they use or stop using when they are fired, when she resigns she goes against the rules and is punished for giving example to the other employees so that they understand that they do not have the right to resign that they can only leave if they are fired, and if she had strategic knowledge of the company she would have had to sign a confidentiality contract
 

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The thing about damaging Nat's reputation is something I know because I saw it where I work, in the minds of these people we are units that they use or stop using when they are fired, when she resigns she goes against the rules and is punished for giving example to the other employees so that they understand that they do not have the right to resign that they can only leave if they are fired, and if she had strategic knowledge of the company she would have had to sign a confidentiality contract
lawyers call it an NDA [non-disclosure agreement] in the US.
 

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Yes I know but I chose to write the full name before someone asks me what the Initials means.
They don't feel like they missed an opportunity to create a route where Nat had a dominant boss where Nat had to have submissive sex in exchange for the promotion she wanted and if she refused we would have seen the scene that happens in this update, what kind of hot sex scenes would we have had? :unsure:
 

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It was pretty hard to read your wall of text, consider using paragraphs when writing such lengthy posts. I did glance through it though and this part stuck out to me. Goes back to my point I made earlier regarding looking to Nat expecting her to be some selfless beacon of morality living purely for Ethan's carnal pleasures.

Yes, this started off as her indulging her husbands fantasies but it also awoke something within herself that she never knew was there. Expecting this drastic change in lifestyle to not change them is a bit naive, and it would also make for very boring writing if the characters don't have some inner conflict with regards to their own desires and what to do with them.

This is like a sexual revolution for Nat, going from being the "perfect" wife, whatever that means, to fucking hung men left and right. Honestly if Nat was the "perfect" wife you are advocating for, god what a boring character that would be, and unrealistic too under these circumstances. Expecting these experiences she is having to not change her in anyway shape or form is silly and show a lack of character progression, stale. Clearly she never knew herself as well as she thought, at least not when it comes to her sexual desires. And I think you are looking at Nat with rose-colored glasses.

Also you said yourself that you knew the genre that the developer is catering to by judging his previous work, so why would you expect something different? Do you expect pizza when ordering hamburgers? And why are you playing the route that is specifically supposed to cater to that audience, I really don't get it...

And my biggest complaint about this game has always been a lack of Nat's inner thoughts, I know that Ethan is the primary perspective and that's fine. But it's a duet, so I wanna see Nat's inner workings as well. Otherwise her actions and behavior will feel out of touch and almost NPC-like. She feels less human. If we got a clearer understanding of her internal struggles and reasoning, then when she does something that might feel out of line we can at least see where it came from, whether you agree with her actions or not.

But unlike you I don't expect Nat to be a saint so it bothers me a lot less. But for you, as someone who looks to her like the "perfect" wife I can understand the frustration when it comes to her behavior, would a clearer understanding of her thoughts/reasoning make it any better? Or do you really just want her to be the perfect angel for Ethan? Cause that would be very boring, and predictable from a writers standpoint. :sleep:
Very well put, I concur wholeheartedly with your analysis: a Nat that functions only as a vessel of Ethan’s desires and without his inputs defaults to an ideal almost robotic state of “perfect wife” incapable of any evolution, would be -imho- a very poorly written and boring character. That kind of sexy Stepford wife probably is a great fetish for some (nothing wrong with it, to each their own), but personally I find it unrealistic and limited.

Regarding Nat’s mental process I think that curiously we got to see more of her inner thoughts and personal opinions and development at the start of the game, but it’s true that the writing might be lacking something in that department as of late. And that translates even to the sex scenes, Nat never was very vocal during sex to begin with, but one would say that a woman who is going through this kind of sexual awakening (even in the more “tamed” routes like the vanilla exhibitionist one) would lose some shyness along the road.
 
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The thing about damaging Nat's reputation is something I know because I saw it where I work, in the minds of these people we are units that they use or stop using when they are fired, when she resigns she goes against the rules and is punished for giving example to the other employees so that they understand that they do not have the right to resign that they can only leave if they are fired, and if she had strategic knowledge of the company she would have had to sign a confidentiality contract
It's easy getting fired, like for a women, go in to work with hairy legs and armpits and all hangovered and have three year old apply her make up, easy.
 
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