The reason I am writing this is I hope it helps some of the authors with their writing. There are a number of things I observed that I think could be improved upon. Believability of characters is one issue. Some authors have a clear lack of understanding of how behavioral manipulation works. That or their view of women is so low they can't even give any basic credit of intellect or self worth to them. Running 3 adult websites catering to escorts and cam models and 15 years in around the adult community dealing with models, strippers and porn gives you a pretty good insite into the people and how things work. Especially when those people are talking to each other on your site and to you.
Observation 1
One problem I have with a lot of female characters in the games I see a lot of is that they put up next to no resistance to people's actions.
I used to run 3 adult sites that catered to escorts and cam models there was all sorts of messed up women on them and they got there from all sorts of reasons. But none of them simply gave in like the girls in these games. There are a number of ways a person gets broken none of them are as simple as easy as most these games portray.
It's hard to find any value in a female character who goes into a job interview and someone lifts her skirt up and she doesn't deck the guy who put her knee in his crotch. Those that don't put up a physical fight will usually stop the hell out at the very least. I've seen that more than a few times in real life from the clubs I used to spend my off time at while in the Navy and later on.
The girls that are usually willing to take such crap are already broken by someone else. They don't get that way from simply loosing a family or a few bad things going on in their life.
I guess what I am saying is that a lot of the women just aren't believable and many of them appear as if they were dreamed up by some 10 year old school boy who has no real clue as to how that side of life actually works. It's like they got their info from a bad manga, another game or so crappy book. I get it most people aren't going to have a decade or more exposure to the adult industry from the inside. But it isn't that hard to get real information and so on about this stuff.
Women that have dealt with stuff like this are usually jaded as hell so simply getting them to fall for crap so easily isn't that easy. Once they learn to stand on their own 2 feet a bit they are much harder to put in the same situation again. Sometimes they go back to doing stuff because its familiar to them and they feel comfortable because at least they know what to expect. Fear of the unknown is pretty powerful.
Observation 2
This one is best described with an example. I don't want to name the game or author. But there is also more than one like this. So recently played a game where it's some what story based but more about the player choosing who they date. You move in with a family and you can pursue the daughters and mother... The only issue is the author clearly has some sort of mommy fetish and forces you to deal with pursuing the mother figure even if you have no interest in her. I would get that if the MC had a mommy fetish and then the rest of the characters he pursued fit that but that isn't the case. You end up being forced to deal with multiple chapters of your character being forced to pursue a character you may not want to before you can say no to it.
Suggestion:
If the relationship is the players choice then that should be made as early as possible by the player so as not to force the player into dealing with something they don't like or are uncomfortable with.
It depends on the story and the plot if. For example you are doing the fiance / couple story or marriage break up type of story then of course it makes sense for them to have a continued relationship for some part of time. However if they don't have a previous established commitment then it shouldn't be forced on the player. There is an exception to that.
The exception to when a player should have to deal with an unwanted relationship is when that is the story plot. Example would be the female protagonist is having to deal with a relentless stalker who goes to the point of kidnapping her. Then obviously yes that's a forced relationship you can't avoid.
Observation 3
This the beyond stupid one. Characters made way to stupid to be believable or real. The least intelligent person I have known in my life was an individual with a brain defect were he had a hole in his brain a bit larger than a golf ball. He was magnitudes smarter than many of the characters portrayed in these games. To give you an idea how bad this issue is. 70 IQ is severally retarded. This guy was in the 65 IQ range. These characters probably were next to 50IQ or lower they way they are written. They would have so many more worse issues going on that what these games show they would be in care facilities.
The exception being they are high as a kite or drunk off their ass.
Not sure I should put this on here I don't want it used as some sort of instructional by some dirt bag who wants to go out and use it.
But if you have a decent amount of intelligence and know what and where to look you can find this and a lot more detailed information on this topic on the internet.
I am obviously going to limit the amount of detail on this. Any author worth a damn will be either able to work it out from what I am writing or be able to figure out what to look up to get more information.
Behavioral Manipulation
There are a number methods for doing this. People do everything they do for one reason or another. That reason can be to achieve a goal or avoid a penalty of some type. Avoiding a penalty is a goal in and of itself. What goal you provide the person and how you provide it to them is the real difference in the methods.
Breaking
Breaking a person usually means you break their will to resist and have them comply with what you want. That can be done physically or with mental conditioning or via threats and harm to others and so on. It's generally abusive and instills fear and the end result is a person with a lack of trust who is emotionally scared.
Goal of victim: Simply avoid emotional or physical pain
Reasoning
A person can also be convinced to do pretty much anything. Usually this means providing information that they can verify easily as to why they are doing what they currently are doing. Then provide them a means to believe the other option isn't bad or harmful and potentially the right option and that it can even help them achieve a goal they have. That goal can even be something you provided them.
Goal of victim: Can be nearly anything if it can be related to the behavior being modified.
Incremental behavior modification.
What most games on here call corruption. This is done by changing a person's behavior pattern over a period of time. It can be enhanced with chemical or influence. People are more open to suggestion under various chemical effects. Once they step beyond a point with someone they are easier in most cases to get to repeat the action. However, that can fail when a person decides what they did was to far and that they then refuse to say have another drink with you in the future. In general if the person feels the behavior was to far and you can't also convince them it was normal or natural or no big deal then you are looking at it possibly backfiring. The best course to continue the change is actually to back off and let the intended target to work it out in their own head and come to terms with it. That works best if there is a some dependence of friendship or simply the lack of human contact. They can feel its worth letting it go to go back to establishing normal contact and routine.
Goal of victim: Can be nearly anything if it can be related to the behavior being modified.
Withholding affection and dependence relationships.
Honestly with all the incest games on here and this being the easiest to use against a child I am surprised I haven't seen it in a game that I played. It might be out there but I haven't seen it. This is fairly simple the person withholds affection and acts upset or angry toward the person they want something from. Spouses do this at times as well. You know the you didn't buy me a dress or take me out ... so you aren't getting sex for the next month or you are sleeping on the couch situations. Those all fall into this category of behavioral manipulation.
Goal of victim: Regain affection
There are other methods. One can also use a combination of methods. To achieve more desirable effects. Take breaking someone of itself doesn't allow for much trust. Some pimps hook girls buy acting like a boy friend then getting them to incrementally do more and more stuff for them. The girl is told this is to help him or prove she loves him and so on. At some point they may move to a breaking method to instill fear and prevent the girl from running away.
A good example of manipulation
All you have to do is look at cam modeling. The average cam model makes less than 30K a year. However you will see sites advertising they can make 100K a year. Only a very small percentage of them do make that less than 5%. The goal is making money and the victim is usually under educated easily manipulated women.
There is a fun part to this manipulation going on. In that the girls don't like to admit they been duped into this and so will go to the point of trying to brag and drag other women in. Why so they aren't the only one they don't want to feel like being the only person that stupid. With the token system they loose a large amount of the money to the sites like chaterbate and so on.
Take the site manyvids which a lot of cam models post videos on. There is a number of fun observations with how this site works and the women on it.
They take 50% of the profit. However the girls could host a site through host gator for about $3 a month. They can setup a high risk or adult merchant account that only takes 11% of the profit instead. It would take about an hour to setup. After that they would be spending the same amount of effort to keep using manyvids.
Most the guys who go to manyvids don't just stop on the seller that linked them there they go and keep looking if they plan to buy something. So the girls loose in the effort they brought a client there but he didn't buy from them. It works out to something like a 1 in 6 or some rate they buy from you and not someone else. But if they have their own site well its a bit higher. Because their isn't the temptation to look at other sellers.
Not just that the system the site has setup requires the girls to compete with one another. Because there are so many women for you to get up on that first page they either have to be really attractive or willing to do more and more perverse/deviant behavior.
It's a lot like the Japanese porn industry in that way. Japanese porn everyone is trying to one up the next person so they get sales.
There are also pain shows for example were women are forced to endure pain and the person that last the longest wins a prize.
All of these prey on people who are vulnerable and in need of money.
The best part about the cam models using sites like manyvids if you point out the issue they could make money with their own site they get upset over it or think you are trying to run a scam on them. Even when you have no other involvement other than pointing it out. They are that jaded from dealing with all the creeps they exposed themselves to over the time they go on there. The ones who are actually willing to listen are usually ones who just started. What's better is I do free tutorials and articles online and even when they came to me asking for help I have still managed to feel them pull this accusatory crap all for answering a question they asked.
It's not uncommon for those manipulated or abused to become that way themselves.
What you should take away from this
First, no woman is going to walk in an office and simply accept you telling her to take her clothes off unless she expected to before hand and was ok with it.
They will likely leave and look for another job unless you have the only job and they can't get to another town or location. So if you don't have some club 50 or 100 miles from a town and she isn't stranded there you are either likely to end up in pain or she is leaving the first chance she gets even if it means walking.
Putting your hands on them is less likely even in cultures were women are treated like shit you are likely to get some physical reaction to it. If not you can pretty much guarantee they walk out. Unless you are going to portray a society were women haven't one their rights in it isn't going to be believable.
With the number of pages and text already invested in writing these stories do the extra work get the manipulation worked out before hand and make it more believable.
Don't force people to endure a relationship if it isn't necesary to the plot.
Observation 1
One problem I have with a lot of female characters in the games I see a lot of is that they put up next to no resistance to people's actions.
I used to run 3 adult sites that catered to escorts and cam models there was all sorts of messed up women on them and they got there from all sorts of reasons. But none of them simply gave in like the girls in these games. There are a number of ways a person gets broken none of them are as simple as easy as most these games portray.
It's hard to find any value in a female character who goes into a job interview and someone lifts her skirt up and she doesn't deck the guy who put her knee in his crotch. Those that don't put up a physical fight will usually stop the hell out at the very least. I've seen that more than a few times in real life from the clubs I used to spend my off time at while in the Navy and later on.
The girls that are usually willing to take such crap are already broken by someone else. They don't get that way from simply loosing a family or a few bad things going on in their life.
I guess what I am saying is that a lot of the women just aren't believable and many of them appear as if they were dreamed up by some 10 year old school boy who has no real clue as to how that side of life actually works. It's like they got their info from a bad manga, another game or so crappy book. I get it most people aren't going to have a decade or more exposure to the adult industry from the inside. But it isn't that hard to get real information and so on about this stuff.
Women that have dealt with stuff like this are usually jaded as hell so simply getting them to fall for crap so easily isn't that easy. Once they learn to stand on their own 2 feet a bit they are much harder to put in the same situation again. Sometimes they go back to doing stuff because its familiar to them and they feel comfortable because at least they know what to expect. Fear of the unknown is pretty powerful.
Observation 2
This one is best described with an example. I don't want to name the game or author. But there is also more than one like this. So recently played a game where it's some what story based but more about the player choosing who they date. You move in with a family and you can pursue the daughters and mother... The only issue is the author clearly has some sort of mommy fetish and forces you to deal with pursuing the mother figure even if you have no interest in her. I would get that if the MC had a mommy fetish and then the rest of the characters he pursued fit that but that isn't the case. You end up being forced to deal with multiple chapters of your character being forced to pursue a character you may not want to before you can say no to it.
Suggestion:
If the relationship is the players choice then that should be made as early as possible by the player so as not to force the player into dealing with something they don't like or are uncomfortable with.
It depends on the story and the plot if. For example you are doing the fiance / couple story or marriage break up type of story then of course it makes sense for them to have a continued relationship for some part of time. However if they don't have a previous established commitment then it shouldn't be forced on the player. There is an exception to that.
The exception to when a player should have to deal with an unwanted relationship is when that is the story plot. Example would be the female protagonist is having to deal with a relentless stalker who goes to the point of kidnapping her. Then obviously yes that's a forced relationship you can't avoid.
Observation 3
This the beyond stupid one. Characters made way to stupid to be believable or real. The least intelligent person I have known in my life was an individual with a brain defect were he had a hole in his brain a bit larger than a golf ball. He was magnitudes smarter than many of the characters portrayed in these games. To give you an idea how bad this issue is. 70 IQ is severally retarded. This guy was in the 65 IQ range. These characters probably were next to 50IQ or lower they way they are written. They would have so many more worse issues going on that what these games show they would be in care facilities.
The exception being they are high as a kite or drunk off their ass.
Not sure I should put this on here I don't want it used as some sort of instructional by some dirt bag who wants to go out and use it.
But if you have a decent amount of intelligence and know what and where to look you can find this and a lot more detailed information on this topic on the internet.
I am obviously going to limit the amount of detail on this. Any author worth a damn will be either able to work it out from what I am writing or be able to figure out what to look up to get more information.
Behavioral Manipulation
There are a number methods for doing this. People do everything they do for one reason or another. That reason can be to achieve a goal or avoid a penalty of some type. Avoiding a penalty is a goal in and of itself. What goal you provide the person and how you provide it to them is the real difference in the methods.
Breaking
Breaking a person usually means you break their will to resist and have them comply with what you want. That can be done physically or with mental conditioning or via threats and harm to others and so on. It's generally abusive and instills fear and the end result is a person with a lack of trust who is emotionally scared.
Goal of victim: Simply avoid emotional or physical pain
Reasoning
A person can also be convinced to do pretty much anything. Usually this means providing information that they can verify easily as to why they are doing what they currently are doing. Then provide them a means to believe the other option isn't bad or harmful and potentially the right option and that it can even help them achieve a goal they have. That goal can even be something you provided them.
Goal of victim: Can be nearly anything if it can be related to the behavior being modified.
Incremental behavior modification.
What most games on here call corruption. This is done by changing a person's behavior pattern over a period of time. It can be enhanced with chemical or influence. People are more open to suggestion under various chemical effects. Once they step beyond a point with someone they are easier in most cases to get to repeat the action. However, that can fail when a person decides what they did was to far and that they then refuse to say have another drink with you in the future. In general if the person feels the behavior was to far and you can't also convince them it was normal or natural or no big deal then you are looking at it possibly backfiring. The best course to continue the change is actually to back off and let the intended target to work it out in their own head and come to terms with it. That works best if there is a some dependence of friendship or simply the lack of human contact. They can feel its worth letting it go to go back to establishing normal contact and routine.
Goal of victim: Can be nearly anything if it can be related to the behavior being modified.
Withholding affection and dependence relationships.
Honestly with all the incest games on here and this being the easiest to use against a child I am surprised I haven't seen it in a game that I played. It might be out there but I haven't seen it. This is fairly simple the person withholds affection and acts upset or angry toward the person they want something from. Spouses do this at times as well. You know the you didn't buy me a dress or take me out ... so you aren't getting sex for the next month or you are sleeping on the couch situations. Those all fall into this category of behavioral manipulation.
Goal of victim: Regain affection
There are other methods. One can also use a combination of methods. To achieve more desirable effects. Take breaking someone of itself doesn't allow for much trust. Some pimps hook girls buy acting like a boy friend then getting them to incrementally do more and more stuff for them. The girl is told this is to help him or prove she loves him and so on. At some point they may move to a breaking method to instill fear and prevent the girl from running away.
A good example of manipulation
All you have to do is look at cam modeling. The average cam model makes less than 30K a year. However you will see sites advertising they can make 100K a year. Only a very small percentage of them do make that less than 5%. The goal is making money and the victim is usually under educated easily manipulated women.
There is a fun part to this manipulation going on. In that the girls don't like to admit they been duped into this and so will go to the point of trying to brag and drag other women in. Why so they aren't the only one they don't want to feel like being the only person that stupid. With the token system they loose a large amount of the money to the sites like chaterbate and so on.
Take the site manyvids which a lot of cam models post videos on. There is a number of fun observations with how this site works and the women on it.
They take 50% of the profit. However the girls could host a site through host gator for about $3 a month. They can setup a high risk or adult merchant account that only takes 11% of the profit instead. It would take about an hour to setup. After that they would be spending the same amount of effort to keep using manyvids.
Most the guys who go to manyvids don't just stop on the seller that linked them there they go and keep looking if they plan to buy something. So the girls loose in the effort they brought a client there but he didn't buy from them. It works out to something like a 1 in 6 or some rate they buy from you and not someone else. But if they have their own site well its a bit higher. Because their isn't the temptation to look at other sellers.
Not just that the system the site has setup requires the girls to compete with one another. Because there are so many women for you to get up on that first page they either have to be really attractive or willing to do more and more perverse/deviant behavior.
It's a lot like the Japanese porn industry in that way. Japanese porn everyone is trying to one up the next person so they get sales.
There are also pain shows for example were women are forced to endure pain and the person that last the longest wins a prize.
All of these prey on people who are vulnerable and in need of money.
The best part about the cam models using sites like manyvids if you point out the issue they could make money with their own site they get upset over it or think you are trying to run a scam on them. Even when you have no other involvement other than pointing it out. They are that jaded from dealing with all the creeps they exposed themselves to over the time they go on there. The ones who are actually willing to listen are usually ones who just started. What's better is I do free tutorials and articles online and even when they came to me asking for help I have still managed to feel them pull this accusatory crap all for answering a question they asked.
It's not uncommon for those manipulated or abused to become that way themselves.
What you should take away from this
First, no woman is going to walk in an office and simply accept you telling her to take her clothes off unless she expected to before hand and was ok with it.
They will likely leave and look for another job unless you have the only job and they can't get to another town or location. So if you don't have some club 50 or 100 miles from a town and she isn't stranded there you are either likely to end up in pain or she is leaving the first chance she gets even if it means walking.
Putting your hands on them is less likely even in cultures were women are treated like shit you are likely to get some physical reaction to it. If not you can pretty much guarantee they walk out. Unless you are going to portray a society were women haven't one their rights in it isn't going to be believable.
With the number of pages and text already invested in writing these stories do the extra work get the manipulation worked out before hand and make it more believable.
Don't force people to endure a relationship if it isn't necesary to the plot.
