A few observations and suggestions.

[DawnCry]

While interesting I feel that this has gone quite offtopic. I will put a tiny input to the main point of this thread.

Most people see adult games not on the story or characters part but they value it as just porn. Even if the porn has a horrible story most people won't care at all.

Same happens in adult games, what people see first is that "the game has the fetishes I want it to have", usually they have a list of what they like and what they dislike, you have it or don't have it. If you have it they will try and if it isn't a complete mess or even if it is, if they enjoyed the sex scenes they will ignore it.

If we are logical... there wouldn't be many women that would accept to be part of a big harem and even more without them being bisexuals, so... in the name of self-satisfaction creators usually omite many logical parts that a normal person should have.

On another point there is a possibility to write a good story with great characters and all that, but we usually have a "one man army" that is making the game, with little time and to do that good story they would have to choose between doing a good story that is linear or a bad story with a lot of options. But well at the same time perhaps the one doing the game doesn't have any talent at all in that part.

However I have to say that adult games these days are becoming better, people won't throw thousands anymore just because a game has incest in it but rather they are starting to care about quality.

Now we are having more special games, that add different and interesting things, for example xxxivilization is a good try to bring a strategy game and sex, lilith throne/tits/coc2 I would say they are a gender in their own, seeds of chaos while it did abandon any possible dark/forced setting for sex scenes, if you forget the sex scenes is a dark setting well done, we have mind control games that are more interesting than those before it, like the company or adventure high...

Those are projects that try something different and higher in quality, rather than the usual visual novel with options or rpg maker game that is a walking simulator (well there are some good rpg maker ones don't take me wrong, but most of the games made in rpg maker are pure walking simulators).

 

[Joshua Tree]

Thought I point out this is also why a lot of men are seeking wives from outside this country that don't have their heads filled with the feminist bullshit and are less likely to divorce you because some cultures still value working hard and trying to make a marriage work rather than run from problems.

Well, some cultures regard women little else than property there to serve the husband. A healthy relationship, married or not, should at the very least be based on mutual respect. Marriage as an institution changed with time and progress. The pre-defined roles of "care givers and providers" is more or less washed out. You have stay at home dads, and working mom's, and all kind of configurations.

Imho if independent women start scare us, then that is a "male problem" though. Feminism is about women rights based on equality of the sexes. I look at it more like all people are equal regardless of gender, race, religion, sexual preference and anything else when it come to human value.

 

[OhJo]

This thread is hilarious. You guys are brilliant comedians, playing at how marvellous the 1950's were. Is Fallout cosplay your thing, lads?


Just for my clarification:
I take it both @grtrader and @polywog are playing the role of typical fundamentalist American senior men, and @Joshua Tree is playing a low-key social knight?

While interesting I feel that this has gone quite offtopic.

Oh Dawn, why do you insist on breaking up this chuckleworthy skit ..

 

[Joshua Tree]

This thread is hilarious. You guys are brilliant comedians, playing at how marvellous the 1950's were. Is Fallout cosplay your thing, lads?


Just for my clarification:
I take it both @grtrader and @polywog are playing the role of typical fundamentalist American senior men, and @Joshua Tree is playing a low-key social knight?

Over here in Scandinavia we generally a bit more liberal. A bit more focused on build bridges rather than walls

 

[freedom.call]

What?? Adult games aren't top of the line story telling??

I'm outta here!

 

[grtrader]

Removed because I am tired of staff behavior

 

[grtrader]

Removed because I am tired of staff behavior

 

[OhJo]

Over here in Scandinavia we generally a bit more liberal. A bit more focused on build bridges rather than walls

I should have recognised the enlightened mind as one of our neighbours a few doors over. Dutch here, and reading this thread is like reading the musings of a couple of Korean War veterans reminiscing about the good old days of their youth in the deeply rural areas of Kansas. I'll stop disturbing this senior moment we call a thread before it turns to the great and glorious benefits of lynching, and bemoaning its absence in porn games.

Thanks for playing a contemporary voice, JT.

 

[polywog]

This thread is hilarious. You guys are brilliant comedians, playing at how marvellous the 1950's were. Is Fallout cosplay your thing, lads?
Just for my clarification:
I take it both @grtrader and @polywog are playing the role of typical fundamentalist American senior men, and @Joshua Tree is playing a low-key social knight?
Oh Dawn, why do you insist on breaking up this chuckleworthy skit ..

The 50s were far from great. Moved to South America in the 60s, Japan in the 80s...

How do you see relationships in the future?

 

[grtrader]

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[grtrader]

Removed because I am tired of staff behavior

 

[Joshua Tree]

Typical liberal douche wants to turn something into race that has nothing to do with the discussion by bringing up shit like lynching.
Fuck off ! Damn troll.

Maybe a lesson in irony could be valid before tell someone to f off though

 

[grtrader]

Removed because I am tired of staff behavior

 

[polywog]

Well, some cultures regard women little else than property there to serve the husband. A healthy relationship, married or not, should at the very least be based on mutual respect. Marriage as an institution changed with time and progress. The pre-defined roles of "care givers and providers" is more or less washed out. You have stay at home dads, and working mom's, and all kind of configurations.

Imho if independent women start scare us, then that is a "male problem" though. Feminism is about women rights based on equality of the sexes. I look at it more like all people are equal regardless of gender, race, religion, sexual preference and anything else when it come to human value.

I take it you aren't happy with Sharia law coming to your country?

 

[OhJo]

How do you see relationships in the future?

Pretty much the way they are now - at least here in urban Western Europe - as more a flexible network than a single two-person pairing. We all have something someone wants.

Some context; me and most of my friends have gone - or still go - to uni, have good jobs and have no need for a family in the traditional sense. Compared to most of the kids from rural areas we don't go to see our parents on a monthly basis, and that's fine. Instead, we hang out two, three times a week in varying composition - none of us can be there all the time (except for the twins, but they coast on their trust fund doing jack shit all day). We're a very mixed group, different backgrounds, races, faiths. All of us can survive on our own, we're all financially independent, but we like each other's company and the company of the group. One of us got pregnant by being an idiot and hooking up at some festival in her parents' hometown, but she decided to keep the baby, so now we all have a little baby niece. Gorgeous and cute little thing.
Incidentally, our group started out with three of us in our freshman year at uni, sticking together to avoid rape - there was a series of incidents in the year before ours - we did both a Systema Grom and Krav Maga course together for self defence. Now we're basically a collective of sorts, stronger together, but quite formidable on our own. We definitely have a core group, in the sense that there is a small part of the group that regularly changes composition - people coming into the group, people leaving - but the core, and its ideas, remain pretty much the same.

To give an example that is close to home, from my own relationship. My main girlfriend is currently out of the country on exchange, and so is our mutual friend with benefits, so I'm going out with a couple of others from our group. Sometimes we pick up a guy or guys, sometimes a girl or girls, sometimes a mix, it all depends on our mood. My girlfriend doesn't mind, she knows I come back to her anyway, and she's living it up in Barcelona doing pretty much the same thing. She comes home for a visit in a few weeks, and in 4 months and a bit she comes back. Or not - we might grow apart, as people do.. it's not really a concern.


This, in my mind, is 'the future of relationships'. A network of friends, each offering something unique, stronger together.

 

[grtrader]

Removed because I am tired of staff behavior

 

[OhJo]

Typical liberal douche wants to turn something into race that has nothing to do with the discussion by bringing up shit like lynching.
Fuck off ! Damn troll.

Don't be daft, you're the one extolling the virtues of the 1950's. Who knows how far back you want to go with your bizarre fundamentalism.

 

[polywog]

No need to go back to the 1950's the 1980's and 1990's would be an improvement socially over the garbage in society today. Technology wise now is better obviously.

Some of the differences in the 1990's I didn't have to spend 6 months to a year retraining someone I hired out of college to do his job correctly a few weeks to get up to speed was the max. These days I have to deprogram the liberal bullshit these idiots are indoctrinating people with and teach them you have to actually do a job your customers want to get fucking paid not what you want.

Women had as many rights in the 80's and 90's as they do now. In some ways more because more men respected them. He'll women are getting so bad in this country men are looking out side of it more than ever to meet perspective wives or just giving the hell on marriage.

In the 80's and 90's I could have a logical discussion over a political topic and not have to worry about the person on the other side throwing a temper-tantrum or simply resorting to a race card or some other bullshit.

In the 90's I wasn't forced to pay for 4 other people's health care just to buy healthcare for myself. That's what it equates to after Obama care on average.

I can make one hell of a long list if need be.

For thousands of years, a marriage certificate was literally title to a slave. I'm proud to say I was there when that ended.
Women have been equal for decades. Feminists don't want equality, they want their turn for a few thousand years.
As I would not be a slave, so I would not be a master.

 

[OhJo]

Haha, completely with you there, many modern-day feminists that aren't specifically focused on domestic violence, human trafficking and other insanities are just angry with 'men in general'. Replacing whatever they see as 'patriarchy' with a 'matriarchy' is just plain dumb as fuck, as far as hills to die on go.

For thousands of years, a marriage certificate was literally title to a slave. I'm proud to say I was there when that ended.
Women have been equal for decades. Feminists don't want equality, they want their turn for a few thousand years.
As I would not be a slave, so I would not be a master.

 

[polywog]

Pretty much the way they are now - at least here in urban Western Europe - as more a flexible network than a single two-person pairing. We all have something someone wants.

Some context; me and most of my friends have gone - or still go - to uni, have good jobs and have no need for a family in the traditional sense. Compared to most of the kids from rural areas we don't go to see our parents on a monthly basis, and that's fine. Instead, we hang out two, three times a week in varying composition - none of us can be there all the time (except for the twins, but they coast on their trust fund doing jack shit all day). We're a very mixed group, different backgrounds, races, faiths. All of us can survive on our own, we're all financially independent, but we like each other's company and the company of the group. One of us got pregnant by being an idiot and hooking up at some festival in her parents' hometown, but she decided to keep the baby, so now we all have a little baby niece. Gorgeous and cute little thing.
Incidentally, our group started out with three of us in our freshman year at uni, sticking together to avoid rape - there was a series of incidents in the year before ours - we did both a Systema Grom and Krav Maga course together for self defence. Now we're basically a collective of sorts, stronger together, but quite formidable on our own. We definitely have a core group, in the sense that there is a small part of the group that regularly changes composition - people coming into the group, people leaving - but the core, and its ideas, remain pretty much the same.

To give an example that is close to home, from my own relationship. My main girlfriend is currently out of the country on exchange, and so is our mutual friend with benefits, so I'm going out with a couple of others from our group. Sometimes we pick up a guy or guys, sometimes a girl or girls, sometimes a mix, it all depends on our mood. My girlfriend doesn't mind, she knows I come back to her anyway, and she's living it up in Barcelona doing pretty much the same thing. She comes home for a visit in a few weeks, and in 4 months and a bit she comes back. Or not - we might grow apart, as people do.. it's not really a concern.


This, in my mind, is 'the future of relationships'. A network of friends, each offering something unique, stronger together.

As I type this, there are 14 people from all walks of life hanging out at my house. (3 looking over my shoulder) a typical day.
Clothing is optional, but it's overcast and nobody's swimming. The 50s it is not, and I'm still curious what gave you that impression?