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Thanks for a detailed reply

But I think it's fair to say it will be a bit more dynamic, or at least can be more dynamic, than having 'only' Selene as primary LI
I am not complaining here. It's just the way I play these kinds of games is if there's a LI that is in any way singled out (being introduced first, playing an important role in the plot, etc) I can't make myself steer away from a perceived "main" plot. And it makes me internally conflicted about making all that development effort that went into making these side character go to waste.
A few details here and there just to make them more distinguishable from another. However, as most of the environments are modeled by myself it takes quite a while to create them. And having different details for each location takes time.
I was trying to say that having environments be almost exactly the same makes perfect sense, areas become distinct after people have lived in them at least for a bit. And most everyone on the ship is actually asleep. Having the feeling of being lost initially also is a nice immersive bit, but I see how it can be problematic from the gameplay perspective
As I create nearly everything on my own (environments, assets, engine, dialogue, music, ...)
I did not think I could be impressed even more. This is actually my main complaint - this game is so good, I don't know how it can be any better.
This is what I'm most scared about, because I'm not an experienced writer, but I'm trying my best to make it convenient.
I really couldn't tell. Writing quality is higher than some of the professionally written stories I've read. As for plot holes, there is an obvious
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But I'm sure it will be revealed alongside the reason as to why we are in the current situation.

I'm curious, what kind of rendering hardware are we looking at for this level of detail?
 

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give the player the choice...which character-paths to follow.
I hope its ok to add my 2 cents on this...this is usually an attempt by devs to have players engage in multiple playthroughs so as to cover all the different paths. I hope this is not the case here. After my initial apprehension concerning the engine, the game is quite riveting. However, forcing players into multiple playthroughs (a la Heavy Five) is not nice (to put it simply).
 

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I am not complaining here. It's just the way I play these kinds of games is if there's a LI that is in any way singled out (being introduced first, playing an important role in the plot, etc) I can't make myself steer away from a perceived "main" plot. And it makes me internally conflicted about making all that development effort that went into making these side character go to waste.
I didn't take it as complaining, nor am I complaining. I understand you and just want to share my intentions.
Like I said, I don't want to give away too much about the story yet, but the effort for her won't go to waste.

I was trying to say that having environments be almost exactly the same makes perfect sense, areas become distinct after people have lived in them at least for a bit. And most everyone on the ship is actually asleep. Having the feeling of being lost initially also is a nice immersive bit, but I see how it can be problematic from the gameplay perspective
That's exactly how I see it too.

I did not think I could be impressed even more. This is actually my main complaint - this game is so good, I don't know how it can be any better.
Thanks. I really appreciate it.

I really couldn't tell. Writing quality is higher than some of the professionally written stories I've read. As for plot holes, there is an obvious
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But I'm sure it will be revealed alongside the reason as to why we are in the current situation.
Regarding the crew. I thought it would be obvious that they are in cryo-sleep too. For the wake-up procedure I had a wake-up-timeline in mind, something like: Medical team => Crew => Staff => Squad-Attendants=> Colonists.
I'm not sure I mentioned how long the flight actually is in the game. The exact time wasn't important to me when I was writing it. It just should be very long, so > 50yrs. I think I had 64 or 96yrs written in my notes somewhere. If I haven't mentioned it in the game yet, I'll add it. Should make the story more consistent and than it probably comes more intuitive that the crew is in cryo-sleep too.

I'm curious, what kind of rendering hardware are we looking at for this level of detail?
I'm rendering with Octane on 2 RTX 2070. As the prices for GPU's are dropping I'm considering upgrading, but I'm pretty struggling with this decision. My biggest problem is the vram mangement of octane or the octane render plugin for daz3d. I've frequent render engine crashes. Even if I reduce the detail of the environment and have only 2 characters with SubD level 3 can sometimes be enough to crash. So I wanted to upgrade from 8GB VRAM to 24.
However, the reason I'm struggling is the development of the octane render. On one hand I like the style and speed on the other hand the development of the daz3d plugin is pretty much abandoned. It doesn't get new features nor do terrible old 'simple' bugs getting fixed. However, I don't really want to switch style mid-way through development.
Also the octane team develops a new geometry streaming pipeline which they promise would get rid for the need of caching geometry and textures in the vram. Kinda like the Nanite pipeline of the Unreal Engine 5. However, this technology is just in development and I have no hopes that it will make it to the plugin.
As I don't want to wait until this technology arrives I'll probably get new GPU's down the line anyway.
Atm, I would rather switch to blender and keep rendering with an up-to-date octane plugin, but I hesitate to spend time setting up a workflow for this.

I hope its ok to add my 2 cents on this...this is usually an attempt by devs to have players engage in multiple playthroughs so as to cover all the different paths. I hope this is not the case here. After my initial apprehension concerning the engine, the game is quite riveting. However, forcing players into multiple playthroughs (a la Heavy Five) is not nice (to put it simply).
I probably expressed myself a bit unfavorably there. I don't want to enforce multiple playthroughs. I don't like that either. I'd rather want the players to be able to bypass certain characters they may don't like or don't feel comfortable with. This is my intention at least. However, my main focus is and will be to keep the story consistent so I may need to add checkpoints with other characters as well, but sexual content should be optional.
I have quite a few story events and plots for the second act in mind, but the structure for the story at whole isn't fully developed yet. So I can't or rather don't want to promise anything regarding this.
I don't want to go in any sort of branching madness. It will most likely still be a linear story with some optional content left and right and a bit more freedom in which order you will do certain events.
But keep in mind, that's the way I want to do it right now. I can't promise I'll manage it and won't need any adjustments on my writing down the line.

I make mistakes and need to learn from them. Like my character-configuration. Neat idea, but overly complex and still not sophisticated enough to fulfill all it's intention. So, I try to learn from it and adapt.
 
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However, forcing players into multiple playthroughs (a la Heavy Five) is not nice (to put it simply).
How does it even make sense? Do devs hold guns to your head saying "Do a playthrough banging this chick now!" lmao. OMG they are making me play the game!
Regarding the crew. I thought it would be obvious that they are in cryo-sleep too. For the wake-up procedure I had a wake-up-timeline in mind, something like: Medical team => Crew => Staff => Squad-Attendants=> Colonists.
I'm not sure I mentioned how long the flight actually is in the game. The exact time wasn't important to me when I was writing it. It just should be very long, so > 50yrs. I think I had 64 or 96yrs written in my notes somewhere. If I haven't mentioned it in the game yet, I'll add it. Should make the story more consistent and than it probably comes more intuitive that the crew is in cryo-sleep too.
Yeah but I intuitively assumed there must have been some sort of rotating overwatch shift system. However, on reflection I remembered that you actually mention that it's impossible to reenter cryosleep on the ship. Which would then make the "rotating" part impossible. It is a tremendous risk to rely on automated systems like that, especially since I doubt they did even half-length test runs on the ground, that would be a colossal waste of time.
 

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How does it even make sense? Do devs hold guns to your head saying "Do a playthrough banging this chick now!" lmao. OMG they are making me play the game!
I don't think that's what he / she meant. If I play a game I want to see all the content and most favorable in one playthrough. I don't like to re-do things again slightly different to see all content. I like the linear / cinematic styles where you get everything done in one go and feel satisfied at the end or at the cliff-hanger.
The Supermassive games, like Until Dawn would be such examples where you have to replay over and over again to see everything. I understand the concept and like the cinematic style, but I don't want to put so much time in repeating stuff. It's just not my style. So I do understand her / his argument.

Yeah but I intuitively assumed there must have been some sort of rotating overwatch shift system. However, on reflection I remembered that you actually mention that it's impossible to reenter cryosleep on the ship. Which would then make the "rotating" part impossible. It is a tremendous risk to rely on automated systems like that, especially since I doubt they did even half-length test runs on the ground, that would be a colossal waste of time.
Ah. I see. Yeah. I purposely scratched that off, just like in the movie 'Passengers'. The idea is to create more tension. If everything goes wrong they will fear to be alone for many years which creates some kind of terror.
And yes, automated systems are a risk. But I don't want to have a perfect ship / or project planing. Things will fail and have errors, just like in the real world and I need those mistakes, or rather make use of this mistakes to tell the story. For example the finding / usage of the password. Quite sketchy, but it served as a starting point for the whole story to unlock rooms and try to find ways / exploit errors to do something about there situation.
 
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Ah. I see. Yeah. I purposely scratched that off, just like in the movie 'Passengers'. The idea is to create more tension. If everything goes wrong they will fear to be alone for many years which creates some kind of terror.
And yes, automated systems are a risk. But I don't want to have a perfect ship / or project planing. Things will fail and have errors, just like in the real world and I need those mistakes, or rather make use of this mistakes to tell the story. For example the finding / usage of the password. Quite sketchy, but it served as a starting point for the whole story to unlock rooms and try to find ways / exploit errors to do something about there situation.
I saw Passengers in a theatre a while back and for some reason thought they did have some crew awake, but then I remembered they do wake up Fishburne's character, don't they? There's another movie that I was reminded of while playing the game that although not a love story (I guess there is sort of a subplot there) but horror, which I highly recommend, called Pandorum, where crew rotation was a significant part of the plot. That's probably what confused me.

And I definitely agree, the premise is fine as is, I just thought it can be exposited better in one of the wake-up monologues or maybe a conversation with AI assistant so that it doesn't seem like a plot hole or contrivance, because it isn't.
 

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I saw Passengers in a theatre a while back and for some reason thought they did have some crew awake, but then I remembered they do wake up Fishburne's character, don't they? There's another movie that I was reminded of while playing the game that although not a love story (I guess there is sort of a subplot there) but horror, which I highly recommend, called Pandorum, where crew rotation was a significant part of the plot. That's probably what confused me.

And I definitely agree, the premise is fine as is, I just thought it can be exposited better in one of the wake-up monologues or maybe a conversation with AI assistant so that it doesn't seem like a plot hole or contrivance, because it isn't.
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Yeah, Pandorum is a great movie as well. Quite a while since I watched it, funny enough, I always confused that movie with Event Horizon... Another Sci-Fi movie.

Yeah. You are right. I'll add that somewhere earlier in the game. Another thing for my to-do list :)
 

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Regarding the crew. I thought it would be obvious that they are in cryo-sleep too. For the wake-up procedure I had a wake-up-timeline in mind, something like: Medical team => Crew => Staff => Squad-Attendants=> Colonists.
I'm not sure I mentioned how long the flight actually is in the game. The exact time wasn't important to me when I was writing it. It just should be very long, so > 50yrs. I think I had 64 or 96yrs written in my notes somewhere. If I haven't mentioned it in the game yet, I'll add it. Should make the story more consistent and than it probably comes more intuitive that the crew is in cryo-sleep too.
I hope we will know who the bearded dudes and the 2 girls are and the reason why they woke up our MC so early in the upcoming update.

Come on, I just wanna knowwww :eek::eek:


Anyway , Ina (the AI) tells MC - right before meeting Selene - that the wake up protocol starts 6 months before the arrival on the planet, therefore no one should be awake right now. No one.
I think you clearly explained everything.
 
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I hope we will know who the bearded dudes and the 2 girls are and the reason why they woke up our MC so early in the upcoming update.

Come on, I just wanna knowwww :eek::eek:


Anyway , Ina (the AI) tells MC - right before meeting Selene - that the wake up protocol starts 6 months before the arrival on the planet, therefore no one should be awake right now. No one.
I think you clearly explained everything.
A few answers will be given, but not all :)

Had to check the dialoge myself again.
ai "The wake-up process has not yet commenced. The human staff are scheduled to return to occupy the Information Desk role in 64 years 168 days 23 hours and 16 minutes."
ai "The wake-up process is programmed to begin half a year before arrival. An earlier wake-up is not possible."
Well, as ai (Ina) talked about human staff, I think that would include the crew as well. Maybe I could be a bit more specific there.
 

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How does it even make sense? Do devs hold guns to your head saying "Do a playthrough banging this chick now!" lmao. OMG they are making me play the game!
I don't think that's what he / she meant. If I play a game I want to see all the content and most favorable in one playthrough. I don't like to re-do things again slightly different to see all content. I like the linear / cinematic styles where you get everything done in one go and feel satisfied at the end or at the cliff-hanger.
The Supermassive games, like Until Dawn would be such examples where you have to replay over and over again to see everything. I understand the concept and like the cinematic style, but I don't want to put so much time in repeating stuff. It's just not my style. So I do understand her / his argument.
Thank you. I think that's about right.
 
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Well, as ai (Ina) talked about human staff, I think that would include the crew as well. Maybe I could be a bit more specific there.
Thanks for the quote refresher. I'm not going to press previous point further, but this did make me realize another thing, tangential to the previous one.

It is clearly evident, that despite AI's assurance that "Everyone is asleep" and that "Earlier wake-up is not possible" it is very much possible. Therefore we have a question - why wasn't the system programmed for this particular emergency? Even if the designers would assume that manual wakeup override was not achievable (which it clearly is), discounting random system failure is criminal level of negligence that is incomparable to sticking a password note under your table.

Therefore I must conclude that it was either done intentionally, or due to some technology quirk premature awakening would just not be biologically possible and just kill the person. Which is also very, very cruel. Or the AI could have been tampered with as well.
 

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It is clearly evident, that despite AI's assurance that "Everyone is asleep" and that "Earlier wake-up is not possible" it is very much possible. Therefore we have a question - why wasn't the system programmed for this particular emergency? Even if the designers would assume that manual wakeup override was not achievable (which it clearly is), discounting random system failure is criminal level of negligence that is incomparable to sticking a password note under your table.
That's what MC himself tells Ina (the AI). He talks about it with Selene, too.


Therefore I must conclude that it was either done intentionally, or due to some technology quirk premature awakening would just not be biologically possible and just kill the person. Which is also very, very cruel. Or the AI could have been tampered with as well.
Next update will tell the answer, I guess.
 

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Is there an updated Mac version available?
Sadly no. I didn't had the time nor do I own a MAC to look into what the Issue is. I have a vague idea what the problem might be, but I lack the time to look into it. However, I'll have a look to get a build ready for Linux, MAC and Android. Either within this update or immediately after the next one is released.
 
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Greetings,

nothing too exiting this week. Kept working on the rendering and scripting as usually. However, a few details I have.
I created a small new environment, the elevator, as can be seen in the images. Nothing too fancy, but I wanted something to bridge the traveling segments and I wanted to have a shot where you look out of the window on the ship.
I also worked on two other tracks, they are not finished yet, but they should add to more variety next update.

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~ 30% of the writing
~ 15% of the scripting done



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Greetings,

I've been working on renders and scripts as usually, but have done something on the side as well. Like started working on another mini-game, created an asset for a secret image of the next episode and created 2 small animations for the gallery in the observatory.



Current status
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~ 30% of the writing
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Greetings,

it's already the 7th progress update and it's still far away from a finishing line. Progress is somehow slower than than in both previous updates and I'm not really sure why. I feel like I didn't put any less time into working on the project. I'll have to take a look at process optimization.



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Greetings,

this week I mainly focused on finishing the environment I already talked about last Sunday. It's finished and I'm pretty happy with how it turns out. Right now I'm rendering the first shots. Therefor next week the render count should be growing a bit better than this week.
Other than that I continued a bit on the writing.



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I guess it's gonna take a while for the next update... :cry::cry:

Well, I'm sure it will be worth it.
 

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Ok, I'm only just past the scene when they find the bar and I already want to kill the bald "controller" guy with dull knives and fire. :mad::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:

Trying to figure out the secret scenario here. Fascinating and aggravating at the same time ;)
 
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