Ren'Py Abandoned A New Beginning [v0.14] [XYVisualNovels]

[Deleted member 3369593]

Still depends. If done right, it doesn't skip over the content, but also over the direct references. Which it currently does. So, as the game is now, harem path technically is non-NTR.
The skipping is probably more of a technical explanation, as he might as well have said "avoid" for the current implementation. It seems like the NTR parts of the story are marked somehow, or put within a special "if" statement.
Like:
if(harem==false)
{
show line of dialogue
}
end if

Note that there is no "else" statement. Maybe that will be added some time later, maybe not. I personally couldn't care less either way, I just want to see where the writer goes with the magic book, and with the stuff about some government agency taking interest in him. Endless debating about NTR can only result in either more work for the developer or discouraging him from proceeding altogether, which is counter productive to finishing this game. The simplest solution is probably to just ditch the harem feature, and let the developer make the game HE wants to make instead of a game someone else might want to play.

New players going through the Harem route won't know where the NTR happened, because the daughter "doing most of the jogging" would make anyone think she's failing at getting him involved or he got tired quickly. They won't jump to "they were fucking" unless they played 0.1 or played through the NTR route too, in which case they either decided to return after the dev shoved NTR unprompted in their face in 0.1, or they wanted to see the rest of the scenes. So whether the dev talked about skipping the content in a technical manner or in a story manner, new players will be fine in the Harem route.

 

[DarkSithLord47]

Lets just all agree that this game is no better then the rest of the games who try and fail to mix both ntr and harem.I get it that the dev is trying to lure as many players as possible by adding that "harem" path but you need more then deleting a render or 2 in order to make that work and no true harem player is gonna fall for a half ass job like that which others have also tried. NOTE to the dev if you're reading this : what you try to do in order to succed is basicly do 2 separate games which is really hard,my 2 cents are : cut your loses and do that you meant in the start which is a NTR game or work your ass off and make a real harem path and gain the suport/respect of most players.

 

[DarkSithLord47]

New players playing through the Harem route won't know where the NTR happened, because the daughter "doing most of the jogging" would make anyone think she's failing at getting him involved or he got tired quickly. They won't jump to "they were fucking" unless they played 0.1 or played through the NTR route too, in which case they either decided to return after the dev shoved NTR unprompted in their face in 0.1, or they wanted to go the alternate route to see what scenes they missed, in which case they wouldn't care. So whether the dev talked about skipping the content in a technical manner or in a story manner, new players will be fine in the Harem route.

New players who are on the harem path will be fine? In case you didnt see the dev's message it says that if you chose the harem path you'll basicly skip a shit tone if content which is a paradox cause if you normaly play the harem route you should get all the content.Dont you think thats a little dumd ? (To say the least) If by exemple the NTR path has 80℅ content you only get to see 20 ℅ and by the way it looks this game will be heavy on the NTR side so tell me again how is that fair to an old or new harem player?

 

[longjohngold]

MC's penis is ridiculous, but I guess that's the point... and he gave up a magic book much faster than I think anyone would, even if it's going to get translated, there's no guarantee of that actually happening - I'd not give back a magic book if I got one... I'm interested in all the family fucking and seeing how debauched things might get, I'm hoping the books transformations won't just be physical but making all the women super slutty... I'd definitely play it again when it's had a chunk more updates.

It probably needs a kinetic tag though as I don't remember a single choice throughout.

 

[harsha_26]

Here is my two cents take it for what its worth as I have no idea how to write a coherent game. When you have 2 genres such as Harem and ntr. they never mix well. Why well simple... the only way to write both is pretty much having 2 completely separate scripts written other wise as always the ntr side bleeds through in a little line her or there and then.............. you get a war in your thread. So you either have one or the other genre because in the end little things will fuck it up for both sides of the fence and you get stupid posts like this one filling your thread. As I said just my 2 cents take it for what you will but playing as many games as I have..... one genre that never mixes well with others always ruins a otherwise good game.

I'm glad, not only the players, but devs also starting to understand about the problems in a mixed genre especially Harem-NTR.

 

[Deleted member 3369593]

New players who are on the harem path will be fine? In case you didnt see the dev's message it says that if you chose the harem path you'll basicly skip a shit tone if content which is a paradox cause if you normaly play the harem route you should get all the content.Dont you think thats a little dumd ? (To say the least) If by exemple the NTR path has 80℅ content you only get to see 20 ℅ and by the way it looks this game will be heavy on the NTR side so tell me again how is that fair to an old or new harem player?

I haven't seen that message, the only one I've seen is on the dev's website that says NTR content can be skipped, so please link the message stating the game will be NTR heavy. As for content, right now there's only one additional scene in the NTR route, all the rest are in the Harem route, so if it continues like this Harem route players will experience a majority of the content, plus turning off NTR doesn't affect the story, so you can see it as Harem players experiencing 100% of the intended game, and NTR players getting an additional 10-20% eye candy that doesn't factor into the plot

 

[Deleted member 3369593]

There is no harem route Thevirgingater just only one route as there are no choices it's mostly kinetic novel at the moment , just they named it harem path ( it's same as NTR toggle on / off in the other NTR games ) where you won't see those NTR scenes ( skipped ) so obviously you will get less content than the normal route which contains all scenes .

Yeah I know, I'm saying so far Harem players have gotten most of the content, the one additional scene is NTR, so content shouldn't be a problem right now

 

[Deleted member 3369593]

yep like harem players (more if fixated on incest content) will play or support harem game with NTR runing in background

I've specified already that Harem players aren't going to experience NTR unless they choose to. The incest stuff has already been ruined for me, now that they've added 'step' to everything. The dev really should upload a patch for that.

Thinking about it, since the NTR path isn't so much a separate route as it is the main story with additional scenes and dialogue, perhaps the dev should just make a harem game and include a separate patch for ntr and incest. That should satisfy everyone

 

[Deleted member 3369593]

maybe yes, but unfortunately someone post picture of sister screwed by father here and with this knowing game is ruined for me, still dont know how to cancel announcements for this forum....:-(

Yeah that is a bummer. But to avoid seeing that stuff in the future you should click Ignore thread at the top of the page, after which you won't get anymore notifications from this thread

 

[eddie987]

Yeah I know, I'm saying so far Harem players have gotten most of the content, the one additional scene is NTR, so content shouldn't be a problem right now

The harem players got one sex scene with the married doc and that's it. You can say one and a half, if you count as a "harem scene" the MC ejaculating, under the covers while embracing his naked mother...
Other than that the game offers:
A sex scene with the sister and their father
Some light mother-daughter fooling around
A make out scene with the mother and her lesbian lover
A -I don't know how to categorize it- scene, with the sister using the MC as a dildo and then blueballing him, just for shits and giggles.
Premium "harem" content right?

So, are those (barely) two scenes most of the game's content?

 

[Deleted member 3369593]

The harem players got one sex scene with the married doc and that's it. You can say one and a half, if you count as a "harem scene" the MC ejaculating, under the covers while embracing his naked mother...
Other than that the game offers:
A sex scene with the sister and their father
Some light mother-daughter fooling around
A make out scene with the mother and her lesbian lover
A -I don't know how to categorize it- scene, with the sister using the MC as a dildo and then blueballing him, just for shits and giggles.
Premium "harem" content right?

So, are those (barely) two scenes most of the game's content?

Here's all the content

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It's v0.2 from a dev whose v0.1 was also honestly very small. Idk how much content of any route you were expecting

 

[eddie987]

Here's all the content

It's v0.2 from a dev whose v0.1 was also honestly very small. Idk how much content of any route you were expecting

I've played the game, even before it got here and I checked the script to see the differences in the so called "harem" path, so I don't want to be reminded what the scenes of the game are. I've already mentioned them myself.

In what way is the mother having a lesbian affair with the pornstar next door or fooling around with her daughter a harem scene? Unless the "harem" part is the mother fucking everyone in sight and she's the one getting it.

 

[Deleted member 3369593]

I've played the game, even before it got here and I checked the script to see the differences in the so called "harem" path, so I don't want to be reminded what the scenes of the game are. I've already mentioned them myself.

In what way is the mother having a lesbian affair with the pornstar next door or fooling around with her daughter a harem scene? Unless the "harem" part is the mother fucking everyone in sight and she's the one getting it.

Okay clearly you're taking issue with the harem portion of my argument, so let me clarify that I'm only using 'Harem route' because that's what the game calls it. What I'm referring to is non-NTR content

 

[SomeOldFart]

The MC having a relation with his sister while the sister is having a secret relation with the Father is NTR? I guess it would be if the MC see's them and gets all upset but until then, I guess it would be considered cheating since her father is married to her mom. Either way, it's hot.

 

[Deleted member 3369593]

The MC having a relation with his sister while the sister is having a secret relation with the Father is NTR? I guess it would be if the MC see's them and gets all upset but until then, I guess it would be considered cheating since her father is married to her mom. Either way, it's hot.

 

[BTLD]

The harem players got one sex scene with the married doc and that's it. You can say one and a half, if you count as a "harem scene" the MC ejaculating, under the covers while embracing his naked mother...
Other than that the game offers:
A sex scene with the sister and their father
Some light mother-daughter fooling around
A make out scene with the mother and her lesbian lover
A -I don't know how to categorize it- scene, with the sister using the MC as a dildo and then blueballing him, just for shits and giggles.
Premium "harem" content right?

So, are those (barely) two scenes most of the game's content?

I see that new devs consider that a standard harem....whores who fuck everyone
and MC blueballed while other characters get their freak on...

Here's all the content

It's v0.2 from a dev whose v0.1 was also honestly very small. Idk how much content of any route you were expecting

I can give you plenty of examples of either
Good releases with appropriate content or even pretty damn long first release...like for example...My New Memories..

I've played the game, even before it got here and I checked the script to see the differences in the so called "harem" path, so I don't want to be reminded what the scenes of the game are. I've already mentioned them myself.

In what way is the mother having a lesbian affair with the pornstar next door or fooling around with her daughter a harem scene? Unless the "harem" part is the mother fucking everyone in sight and she's the one getting it.

Like I said earlier ...these new devs think whores are what Lis are supposed to be in a harem...

The MC having a relation with his sister while the sister is having a secret relation with the Father is NTR? I guess it would be if the MC see's them and gets all upset but until then, I guess it would be considered cheating since her father is married to her mom. Either way, it's hot.

that is not NTR right?
sure...it's not ..it's whatever you want it to be...

 

[Deleted member 3369593]

I can give you plenty of examples of either
Good releases with appropriate content or even pretty damn long first release...like for example...My New Memories..

I'm saying this dev already set the bar pretty low with the amount of content in the first release, so of course the v0.2 would also be pretty small. I know Harem Hotel's v0.1 had like a 1000 images and dozens of sexual scenes

 

[JORJETHEGAMER]

VERY GOOD. I THNK THIS IS THE MAJORITY'S OPINION TOO.
KEEP GOING

 

[eddie987]

Okay clearly you're taking issue with the harem portion of my argument, so let me clarify that I'm only using 'Harem route' because that's what the game calls it. What I'm referring to is non-NTR content, my bad for not specifying

There are still more scenes of other people fooling around with each other, than those that involve the MC. The devs just don't consider them NTR, because girl on girl "doesn't count"...

Ok, forget about this. Let's take a step back and see what this game is about...
Before the sex scene with the doc, we read something about five women being impregnated by the MC.
I guess those five are the main "harem" love interests. Let's take a look at them!

1) The mother. Already has an established affair and is fooling around with pretty much everyone we've seen so far, besides the doc (but I'm sure that will change soon enough).
2) The sister. Already fucking the father, fooling around with the mother and using the MC strictly as a dildo.
3) The doc. She is married with no indication there's something wrong with her marriage. They didn't even use the common "neglected wife" trope, they just made her a slut, who's banging a guy her son's age, just because he has a big dick.
4) The pornstar next door... Well, even if she wasn't banging the mother on the side, she's a pornstar. Her job involves banging multiple people.
5) We don't know yet. The pornstar's cousin perhaps? The MC has her poster on his wall too and she was mentioned in a conversation between his mother and her lesbian lover, so she's a good candidate. Well we don't know her, but she's also a pornstar, so she's obviously banging multiple people too.

So... This is the cast of women for a game that supposedly has a "harem" path and funnily enough has a romance tag too. Everyone is actively banging someone else (in some cases a lot of other people) with no indication that they'll stop anytime soon and the only reason anyone has shown any kind of interest to the MC is his now enlarged dick. Unless of course, the "romance" applies to the mother's relationship with the pornstar or the daughter's with the father.

The could have called it "polyamorous with no other dicks included" path or like I said before "12 year old's wet dream" path (I mean, come on! Every woman is bi and we have a couple of pornstars hanging around...) and that would fit better.

What I want to say with all of the above? You can't make a game where every woman acts like a slut and then just put a "harem" switch, and add a couple of "ifs" that will skip the content with other dicks and get it over with. Either keep just the "everyone fucks everyone" path as the only path or at least add a couple of images and change the dialogue a bit here and there.

 

[DawnCry]

Here is my two cents take it for what its worth as I have no idea how to write a coherent game. When you have 2 genres such as Harem and ntr. they never mix well. Why well simple... the only way to write both is pretty much having 2 completely separate scripts written other wise as always the ntr side bleeds through in a little line her or there and then.............. you get a war in your thread. So you either have one or the other genre because in the end little things will fuck it up for both sides of the fence and you get stupid posts like this one filling your thread. As I said just my 2 cents take it for what you will but playing as many games as I have..... one genre that never mixes well with others always ruins a otherwise good game.

To be fair I have mixed feelings on your view, cause on one part you are right, I personally agree that in the case of visual novels it's better to just focus either on harem or NTR.

On another point we have gameplay games, in which we should have some sort of consequence for failing, playing bad... for example let's take a game I kind of like, "Leane of the legitimate crown", it's a strategy game in which if you attack and are defeated girls get captured and if you don't rescue them the enemies have sex with them until they betray you. That sort of mechanic is perfectly fine in my book, what I feel the game lacks is to actually be challenging enough on the highest difficulty and more rewards for the MC (a.k.a more sex for MC) for playing good and romancing the girls.

But the point is that I feel that integrated into some gameplay games it can be fairly interesting, even more gameplay games are quite customizable on difficulty, so everyone can get the experience and difficulty they want.

Still I have to disagree that fuckfests are NTR, it's kind of like calling orgies NTR, voyeurism NTR and everything like that NTR.

In this case the game seems it's gonna be a full fuckfest and I don't believe that should fall under the NTR tag cause it doesn't aim to:

A) Make the reader jealous
B) A loved one is being stolen.

And let's be fair, in this case we are going to extreme examples trying to call this NTR, we just have a few slutty characters being slutty, that's all.