Ragnar

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Saddly true, good visuals + fuck fest = money...also boring

Not really, she is a ex whore and a nympho, so some easy casual sex fits her character.
For Vic it will be a lot harder to make that believable, after being abused and raped for an unknown amount of time, by her 'uncle' and others of the gang, any kind of intamacy should take a very long time and a lot of difficulties to establish.
Not really, not all rape victims are affraid of sex or males. Of course she has issues like nightmares and such but she stabbed him to death. I don't see her character as a damsel in distress.
 

Big Smurf

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To me the game stops at the ending of Chapter 2.
Then it returns to the main menu, and no way to continue to Chapter 3 Beta. :unsure:
 

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To me the game stops at the ending of Chapter 2.
Then it returns to the main menu, and no way to continue to Chapter 3 Beta. :unsure:
same here. have anyone an idea ?
this is a bug true ? starts in the boutique part. But i have replay the game an start any of the savefiles. its dont work.
 

gamesync2003

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Great game I can't wait for the next update. This is the only college themed game I feel that is comparable to BADIK imo (I haven't played many college themed game before except BADIK and CK)
 
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Not really, she is a ex whore and a nympho, so some easy casual sex fits her character.
For Vic it will be a lot harder to make that believable, after being abused and raped for an unknown amount of time, by her 'uncle' and others of the gang, any kind of intamacy should take a very long time and a lot of difficulties to establish.
You said Vic, but i guess you meant Valery the girl who is protected by the police guy, Vic is the fighting girl who also has some difficulties with her brother and father.
 
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If anyone wants it ?
Updated my Rebecca/Ashley "Gameplay" to C-3 Beta (Saves included)
( opens up the Sung Ji Route)
(Vicky fans please use other Gameplays)
Enjoy and good luck
 
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Ahchi

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Saddly true, good visuals + fuck fest = money...also boring

Not really, she is a ex whore and a nympho, so some easy casual sex fits her character.
For Vic it will be a lot harder to make that believable, after being abused and raped for an unknown amount of time, by her 'uncle' and others of the gang, any kind of intamacy should take a very long time and a lot of difficulties to establish.
That's "Val" (Valery) not "Vic" (Vicky)
Also do not be to sure about Jade.
Some of the things she says are very interesting and easily missed !
 
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Ahchi

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So, am I to understand that out of 3 chapters there's only 1 bowjob and 1 sex scene with Jade? The sexual tension with Jenny is fantastic, but does it lead anywhere? Is there content with the others?
No !, you are missing out on a sex scene.
(Depending on Route.)
You have been in College FOUR days !
On the first day , you can get a blow job.
On the second day you can have sex.
On the Third day you can have sex,
This is the evening of the fourth day
and people are moaning about not having sex !! :p :LOL:
 
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tlarsen

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Keep up the good work, author. I love your vision, I just hope Vicky would one day be properly inculcated into the hall of love interests.
Vic is def for sure going to be a LI especially with how she reacts when she is around the Mc and when he says he think she's pretty/attractive she might not have as many scenes yet as others but have a feeling she'll be an important character later on both when it comes to romance and her training/fighting knowledge i'd say give it 1 or 2 more episodes hell might even get some extra stuff with her when the full ep3update comes out
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CHP.3 Public release progress and my thoughts
Hi everyone! I'm here to report on the progress of the public release and my current thoughts on the project.
Before I begin, I hope that everyone understands that BETA releases are incomplete, and it's especially true in CHP.3, compared to previous releases.
First and foremost, in previous beta releases, I always made sure that almost all, if not all, of the scenes and "adult" - content are finished and implemented along with the release, often at the expense of scenes I'd prefer to make regarding other aspects of the story.
I did this to avoid a certain type of complaint from a certain group of people.
CHP.3 is the first one that doesn't follow this rule. This is simply due to the size and amount of scenes that I have to finish before the final part of the chapter (the night scenes).
I preferred to put the climax of the chapter during the night. Since this chapter doesn't include most of the night scenes, I put a disclaimer to everyone that a significant portion of the chapter is not finished. Apparently, some individuals didn't get the message, so I'll use this opportunity to remind everyone again.
I don't find joy in purposefully blue-balling anyone.
I set up scenes with a certain character so that I can deliver a worthy conclusion during the night, it's really that simple.

Yes, there are scenes in the prologue chapter that didn't belong, and I did that explicitly to avoid this type of 'complaint' from people. In a way, I have to sacrifice a little bit of my vision so that I can sleep in peace.
The first time I felt the pressure to change Jenny's character and rush her arc to completion in a single prologue release, I lost a lot of my faith in my own ability and crumbled to the pressure. The story I had planned and made had to be cut and changed. That's why the first two chapters can feel awkward, it's simply because important story elements are changed or just simply missing. Characters aren't meant to be able to trust you in a single chapter.
Never once in my life, I'd think that I can feel dread and anxiety about something that I've made myself, but that first release made me realize how wrong I was. I will never forget the first week of the prologue's release. It was a terrible experience.
I care about this project, about the characters in the story, and I want to do those characters justice. I believe that this 'arc' based approach I currently have is the best, and allows each character to shine in their own, unique, yet twisted light.
However, this doesn't mean I won't make any adult scenes at all. I will, and there are planned scenes in the current chapter and upcoming chapter too.
That being said, progress is smooth so far. I don't expect delays for both the public and gold release. Thanks again for your support and I will do my best to make something that I can be proud of.
Good update, thx. I assume the dev reads this thread. I understand his plight. I'm certainly one who is not a fan of the early parts of the game with Jenny and the girls where they're taking their clothes off in the first 2 hours of meeting him basically. I sympathize that the dev felt he had to do this to make certain people happy. I'd prefer to see the story written more realistically, myself. I don't mind slower burn stories because they usually become more meaningful during the latter parts of the game when the sex stuff can get much hotter and heavier due to emotion being added heavily as well.
 

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No !, you are missing out on a sex scene.
(Depending on Route.)
You have been in College FOUR days !
On the first day , you can get a blow job.
On the second day you can have sex.
On the Third day you can have sex,
This is the evening of the fourth day
and people are moaning about not having sex !! :p :LOL:
I don't know about you, but if my first three days at UC Berkeley were like that (I wish!), I wouldn't be complaining about the fourth.
 

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Vic is def for sure going to be a LI especially with how she reacts when she is around the Mc and when he says he think she's pretty/attractive she might not have as many scenes yet as others but have a feeling she'll be an important character later on both when it comes to romance and her training/fighting knowledge i'd say give it 1 or 2 more episodes hell might even get some extra stuff with her when the full ep3update comes out
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I want to start off by apologizing to you. Glancing over my post, I wrote it in a very aggressive and combative way which was completely uncalled for and I am sorry for that. I need to work on communicating with a more neutral tone, especially when im out of.... spinach.

I don't want to continue to derail the thread with this conversation as I feel it's now grown far beyond a discussion centered around AOA. Hopefully I can get my point across with some brevity and we can let this die. Just a heads up i've rearranged a few sentences in your post so I can address one section at a time.

Summer's Gone and The DeLuca Family don't really need 2k patreons to garner any success. Both of Ocean's AVN's are highly rated and extremely popular. The reason they're so well-liked is due to their stories and the fact that Ocean prioritizes the story above all else. Story is also another reason to realistically take into account the sex scenes you guys so desperately want. If there's going to be a sex scene, at least have it make sense. That's what this dev is trying to do. While I can't defend The DeLuca Family, I can defend Ocean and this developer. The reason they're both so popular is due to the fact that they're doing something unique. I also don't really see any of the devs from the AVN's you've listed pressed for funds. Both of them seem to be doing fine right now, and I only suspect it to get better, as it does after every update they put out.
I used Summer's Gone and DeLuca's Family as examples for the very reasons you've stated; they are two of the most popular 'slow burn' VNs currently available and a perfect example for the premise of my argument. While their popularity in the VN community is substantial they still have an extremely hard time being marketable. For example, one of Ocean's recent Patreon goals (albeit reached, but how many times have you seen a developer have to make a goal like this?) and a post about his financial status from a few months ago:
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And to clarify, these are called "slow burns" for a reason. No one expects the dev to suddenly add in an orgy and have the MC sleep with everyone, their grandmother, their neighbor, and their dog.

Objectively speaking, lewd scenes are an indicator of commercial success in the AVN world. That much is an objective reality, and I can't debate that. The better the lewd scene, the more people pay to see more of it. However, not everyone wants or cares about the lewd scenes in these AVN's. I for example, am a writer and I play these AVN's for the story first and foremost. Lewds are usually a bonus for me. Unfortunately, I cannot speak for everyone in this regard. Ocean's AVN's and this AVN are as popular as they are because they offer something unique to the dozens of lewd-filled AVN's on this site. That much is not going to change any time soon. Ocean's patreon makes a huge jump after every update, so I doubt he's worried or concerned about that.
This is where I believe the conversation typically goes off the rails. In my mind it's just a matter of perspective. One side sees adult visual novels as niche porn with a decent or great story as a bonus and the other side sees adult visual novels as a niche storytelling medium with adult content as a bonus. Belonging to the former camp shouldn't invoke the assumption that they're unhappy unless every VN becomes a mindless orgy. I obviously can't speak for everyone but as someone that falls into that former camp if a VN only has mindless sex to offer me I'd rather use Bing. We like stories too but we take issue with VNs that selectively applies its porn logic under the guise of realism. These are still porn games filled with plot holes, inconsistencies, absurdities, and regularly reused DAZ3D renders with anime proportions prepared to die for the main character's horse dick after a span of a few weeks. I just don't see the point in pretending VNs are anything but that at the end of the day. The journey may be different, but the destination remains the same.

I can't speak for everyone, but I don't really care how much commercial success these AVN's are getting. So long as they deliver the same quality that got me to play them in the first place.
Granted. To touch back on what Kukipett said, I still believe this comes down to the developers objective for this game. Hopefully I've done a decent job making my case. If you're a developer and you want to ensure your project is well-funded with a secure income, you need good lewds. Convincing the silent majority of VN consumers to care about your story and game without good lewds is a Sisyphean task. On the other hand, if you're okay with a smaller amount of funding which will allow you to maintain your artistic integrity than that is also a choice you can make.

It is up to every developer to ask themselves that question and dependent upon their answer they must design their plot accordingly. Stories are not static immutable entities which cannot be changed. I found that most recent Patreon post odd for this exact reason. Neglecting to develop a plot in which promiscuity makes sense was not our choice. Shoehorning in g-rated lewds which you felt went against the personality of the characters was also not our choice, we don't write the story.

Do you want money or do you want to maintain your artistic integrity? Generally speaking, the choice is yours but the reality is that you can't have both.
 
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