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Looks like AI. Not particularly based on anything I don't think, at least from what I could gather from a brief reverse image search.
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You're probably right, the author does the AI art - it's a shame...
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And it looks like I'll be shopping with Jake 2.0. Or Anna will be buying lingerie for dinner with the old fox
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I've turned my nose at what others have said that in VN adult games there is "Porn logic." And that logic solves plot issues, realism problems, and negates plausibility. The whole "Porn Logic" describes at least 80% of all VN adult games... it boils down to just being porn, just like what one finds on PornHub.
However, each game whatever its about is a standalone product and rises and falls on its own merits. Here with APM we discuss the game because we have an interest in it. So what is Mr. Palmer's project?
First of all, can we all agree that APM's story is a complex web of plots grounded in realism? I'd like to think of AMP as a perfect storm of implausible events made plausible.
Each element in the story has its own low order of probability of occurring in the real world. Kendra, a psychopath (plenty of them) just happens to stumble across the ghost of a failed relationship discovering David married Anna {small world}. Already Kendra was jealous of Anna (sex goddess) who got a promotion Kendra thought she deserved. Fate? Worst, Kendra is a dangerous psychopath and acts on her impulses.
How likely is it that there are a lot of Annas out there? Traumatized by her past but an overbearing, tyrannical father demanding perfection and success where she lived in both love and fear of her father. Add to the luck factor, Anna is a goddess with brains who is slightly over sexual. Compound normal desires like having a large family, wants intimacy from her husband and currently in an above normal hormone state, she has issues of a repressed libido and desperate need for attention/validation and most likely has inner security issues. And she just happens to marry a David. Yes, I am not saying David as in the character, but a david as a term-- we all have discussed who and what David is that makes him a david. The rest of the male characters are common POS found throughout the world.
All these elements have come together to make AMP.
Mr. Palmer doesn't need the "Porn Logic" of a lusty wife going around satisfying her own needs outside of her marriage. Instead, MP relies on an emotionally flawed woman who is ill-equipped to deal with the worst society has to offer. Now some "Porn Logic" is filtering into the game with the whole Cock worship theme, and maybe a few more will slip into the overall plot with BJs, HJs, TJs, and ass play being handed out like Halloween candy, but it hasn't happened-yet. Further MP is following real life progression, unlike another favor VN character Sophia (AWAM), by L&P.
Some might argue MP's scene of Anna giving Chris a BJ as MP introducing that age old theme for a future of a whole lollipop feast down the road... others can also argue (at this point) that it was an act of spite on Anna's part because of how hurt she is that David got one from a woman Anna considers prettier, and younger than her. Guess we will have to see. Yes, I've said that whole Showering with Chris update could have had a better timing, action, and consequence sequence. I said the HJ should have occurred the night before the shower when Chris first groped Anna (suggested, Chris to have arrived earlier for pizza night long before David gets home) and suggested ear/neck/collarbone kissing and petting of Anna's kitty--with the shower scene just being one of Anna stunned and rethinking as well as rationalizing the events of the night before. But that is just me and my idea how it all should have gone down. And just perhaps it might have made the whole BJ in the car with Chris a little more plausible as a nature escalation of the relationship... but how it all turned out still works well.
Last, the need of "Porn Logic" plot fixes was totally thrown out with the coffee break room with Timothy and Dale. From the beginning the whole story lacked the "how" Anna and Marvin would get together... and why maybe eventually Grant too. I see it as not the "who", but the "what" that arouses Anna and the "why". Recapping Anna didn't really know Timothy/Dale, hadn't any time to appraise either of them, and were nearly complete strangers, but Timothy and Dale put Anna in an aroused state and Anna's arousal has greater control over her than normal women--be it the excitement men desire her, gives her the attention/validation she craves, is a possible outlet to her sexual desires, and impulse control problems explaining the why. Add up the events of Anna teasing Marvin with her cleavage, thigh rubbing at the bar and ass grope at the swimming pool and Timothy/Dale it makes sense.
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I keep hearing the term Porn Logic. Does it really pertain to this game. Porn is 95%sex 5%story. this game is 5%softcore 95%story. So can this really be classified as porn. Even if they add sex still feels like a R rated possibly NC-17 venture.
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Actually with APM it's not so much a thing this "porn logic." It's not really needed at this point to use as a work around. It's a story that leads to sex... rather than sex leading into a story, like 80% other games out there, and why it stands out so much from other games.
Yes, it is a game with a world of unlikely events happening with specific personality traits that all come together. Just as winning the lottery... very unlikely of it happening but it does happen. The right mix of circumstances with it happening to the wrong type of people and you get a train wreck. At every turn, all these events could have avoided.
It starts with David getting friendly with Alexia. Nothing wrong with that. But had David worried his wife Anna might get jealous or not like it, should have been David's first concern... but a young and attractive woman giving some innocent attention is an ego boost even if David had no intentions of cheating on Anna... BUT... how likely is that simple interaction is caused by a raging psychopath hell bent on destruction is behind it all? As unlikely as having a psychopath setting into motion a wicked plan is, it just happens to involve David... a clueless idiot basking in the attention of a pretty lady he meets at a gym.
Then there is Anna, a wife and mother, loyal more to the institution of being married than the person whom she married. So long as Anna could hold on to her loyalty to the fact, she is married all is right in her world. Add that David isn't very talented to please Anna physically (some women place a lot of importance on that aspect), but in terms of the marriage it was good enough to remain faithful. Now is it Anna's fault she chose David who is lacking in so many ways? No it's not. She sold to herself that David is a good man and he'd be enough for her. Likely as they grew older those defects in David would be more and more an issue for Anna... just as she is discovering them now.
So... the future of the game:
*All it has to do is remain consistent with the established character builds... the characters will act accordingly to their personality traits... human weakness and mistakes being part of it all
*It stays away from the stupid... Anna isn't going to give another character a tit job because it feels good but
do so to arouse the male because it excites her seeing him so aroused... just as how a BJ works in the real world; damn few women really get off on giving one for their pleasure.
*keep the plots real... Anna has certain motivations, triggers, weakness and strengths, desires, fears etc. But Anna is an evolving character and that is key. We are already seeing some of it with the Chris BJ. With David's plot lines he is going to do david things and only harsh reality can change is character like if ever he finds Chris cheating with Anna
*being totally strategic with new themes and how they are introduced... Timothy/Dale, something way out of the blue, that normally would have failed on its face, worked! It actually solved ongoing plot issues and address others in the future by the way how defined part of Anna's character... so if MP does introduce BBC or another trope that doesn't yet fit the storyline or characters, it has to be handed carefully or done in such away it keeps plausibility
*timing and pacing... perhaps one of the hardest elements to maintain... the whole Chris route is progressing just fine. Handling of Hank and the progression of Hank using daddy issues on Anna is working well...
*The really important aspect that will make or break the story is how all the pieces fit together and works off each other. Its why the first time Anna has penetrative sex is so important to the whole game... it's not important just who that will be but how it will affect the rest of the paths that come after it. So in a looping argument, who is first really does matter after all... a catch 22. Now as the parts working together is it a good idea to have Robinson/Chris getting in each other's way... should there be conflict between Jake and Marvin... does it really make sense that Marvin total bows to Kendra's will... all these loose pieces can add or subtract from the game
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i like any movie happen in Cruise ship
my childhood tv show was Mexican tv show the man meet his love over ship and she was rich family and he want revenge to her family but he fall love to there doughtier so he fight over love
the funy thing women look like anna too
the story in love on ship amazing me making movie
why there is no game happen all in ship
ross can be anna
her mom / anna dad
kathy bate play kind person but she stand with ross to cheat her bf / kendra
ross bf / david
jake / marvin
my childhood tv show was Mexican tv show the man meet his love over ship and she was rich family and he want revenge to her family but he fall love to there doughtier so he fight over love
the funy thing women look like anna too
the story in love on ship amazing me making movie
why there is no game happen all in ship
ross can be anna
her mom / anna dad
kathy bate play kind person but she stand with ross to cheat her bf / kendra
ross bf / david
jake / marvin
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Anna's business trip to Jaxton where Penguin will be waiting for her and they will talk about business matters with his partners. But it could be all planned by Penguin.
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Only David can't be jealous of Anne and other guys and care about her. Because she hates it and immediately gets furious. Plus, she keeps saying that she grew up with older brothers, that all guys are the same and that she can handle them all. She's naive and sometimes acts like a stupid bimbo during the scene when the old fish surprised her while she was pumping milk from her breasts. I feel like she put that bra on as slowly as she could so that the old fish would see something there. And when she decided that was enough, she put the bra on. So that she wouldn't feel guilty and stupid, she yelled at him. And the worst thing is that we got this scene in all three routes, which is hopeless. I think that while drinking wine with Kendra, he will definitely brag to Kendra about the old fish before she tells her about it. And Kendra will ask Anne about it in detail. And then Kendra will encourage her to go further, I hope there will be a choice. The creator of this scene should remake it
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think be great if make game on ship
can be romantic there salon bar cabin top ship swim
or as titanic to section old dirt poor cabin
and rich life
i create anna go down stair with marvin
kendra behind them and she fell angery
jake look from up anna join marvin over
anna : i tell you not tocuh my ass in public
marvin be cool you say its ok kendra know about this,, and there only jake there let him see how you gorgeous
can be romantic there salon bar cabin top ship swim
or as titanic to section old dirt poor cabin
and rich life
i create anna go down stair with marvin
kendra behind them and she fell angery
jake look from up anna join marvin over
anna : i tell you not tocuh my ass in public
marvin be cool you say its ok kendra know about this,, and there only jake there let him see how you gorgeous
So, what did Guszti242 say? That he's in a very healthy relationship, that his girlfriend doesn't need anything else, that he and he alone rocks her world? Question? Were you her first?
If the sample is correct, randomness is very important, we will have X% of sluts from birth. But you should know that, there are cloistered nuns but also whores and there are many sluts among the whores.
The fact that you live a pure love story doesn't mean that the other world doesn't exist.
If the sample is correct, randomness is very important, we will have X% of sluts from birth. But you should know that, there are cloistered nuns but also whores and there are many sluts among the whores.
The fact that you live a pure love story doesn't mean that the other world doesn't exist.
The difference between porn logic and erotic is the reason behind sex...like if you see wife cheating on porn is like she open the door for pizza delivery guy and say ohh she doesn't have money, maybe she can provide some service etc. (illogical reason basically just to do sex). So you know even the reason behind sex doesn't matter. And erotic / adult sex movie scene etc are based on real life reasons like wife is attracted to someone else or the situation is created where she has to submit.
Now the story is softcore where you don't have to put efforts to create realistic scenarios like say anything like get on the table and the MC gets excited and wet after hearing this dialogue and start sex. Now MP did spent first 2 chapters to create base story like erotic /adult movie with submissive plot/romantic plot/attraction plot etc.
Now coming back to scenes ...porn is the only thing where scenes are explicit and porn actress show her different skills ..just an example let's say BJ ...Porn actor can make a whole video based on BJ in different scenarios group BJ, public BJ etc....thats porn logic. One can literally search just Handjobs and they can find various scenarios and situation where the scene starts with porn logic and the scene limit itself to a particular task only and that's HJ....without going further no matter the place ....That's what LP is doing now.
Realistic or erotic or adult where the logic behind the scene are realistic where the wife go for cheating due to realistic scenarios...the scene doesn't end just on a particular act...Take any erotic /R rated movie ..and see where the wife goes to cheat or get attracted to her affair..and just give HJ and came back..it will not happen in any movie.
Here the logic behind the story is of erotic or adult movies or novel but the scene are based on porn logic.
LP and many VN created this theory of corruption based on what people refer as low to high corruption...like naked then groping then HJ then BJ then licking then pussy touching then fingering then anal plug then sex then anal then group sex....something like this trend which identify act of corruption of MC as low to high corruption..this logic is porn logic or sex logic that identify what women are comfortable to do with others to fulfill others sexual need...the real life whores where they can satisfy 100customers per day just by giving HJ and BJ without having sex...and if someone wants sex they have to pay more. That's whorologic...rent a girl ...if someone wants to just grope them and can cum themselves, they'll ask for less money...if you want them to give HJ/BJ then they need a little more money..if you want sex, you need to pay more price....and so on...so these VN goes by this logic(whorologic ) when it comes to scenes and corruption. Try onlyfans, one will get better idea on this whorologic lol. How much one pay for nude pic upto sex scene lol... they'll get idea.
Real life scenario for scenes or physical involvement doesn't go by that logic..if any wife goes for cheating, she will not come back home without having sex...and in real life if some girl/wife physically give herself to any guy whether she loves him or attraction or sexual desire...she doesn't see these sexual act as increasing or corruption level..they want to satisfy their own needs. They want to fulfill their own desire whatever they miss from their own side whether they miss being loved or they miss being sexually satisfied etc. they will give themselves if other person can fulfill their own desire. It will never be like if a girl getting wet whole day she'll go and give HJ to others and get satisfied herself lol. Realism is when she's getting wet, she'll find a guy who will fulfill her sexual needs. A girl doesn't get wet to give HJ or BJ to others ...that's common sense.
Now the story is softcore where you don't have to put efforts to create realistic scenarios like say anything like get on the table and the MC gets excited and wet after hearing this dialogue and start sex. Now MP did spent first 2 chapters to create base story like erotic /adult movie with submissive plot/romantic plot/attraction plot etc.
Now coming back to scenes ...porn is the only thing where scenes are explicit and porn actress show her different skills ..just an example let's say BJ ...Porn actor can make a whole video based on BJ in different scenarios group BJ, public BJ etc....thats porn logic. One can literally search just Handjobs and they can find various scenarios and situation where the scene starts with porn logic and the scene limit itself to a particular task only and that's HJ....without going further no matter the place ....That's what LP is doing now.
Realistic or erotic or adult where the logic behind the scene are realistic where the wife go for cheating due to realistic scenarios...the scene doesn't end just on a particular act...Take any erotic /R rated movie ..and see where the wife goes to cheat or get attracted to her affair..and just give HJ and came back..it will not happen in any movie.
Here the logic behind the story is of erotic or adult movies or novel but the scene are based on porn logic.
LP and many VN created this theory of corruption based on what people refer as low to high corruption...like naked then groping then HJ then BJ then licking then pussy touching then fingering then anal plug then sex then anal then group sex....something like this trend which identify act of corruption of MC as low to high corruption..this logic is porn logic or sex logic that identify what women are comfortable to do with others to fulfill others sexual need...the real life whores where they can satisfy 100customers per day just by giving HJ and BJ without having sex...and if someone wants sex they have to pay more. That's whorologic...rent a girl ...if someone wants to just grope them and can cum themselves, they'll ask for less money...if you want them to give HJ/BJ then they need a little more money..if you want sex, you need to pay more price....and so on...so these VN goes by this logic(whorologic ) when it comes to scenes and corruption. Try onlyfans, one will get better idea on this whorologic lol. How much one pay for nude pic upto sex scene lol... they'll get idea.
Real life scenario for scenes or physical involvement doesn't go by that logic..if any wife goes for cheating, she will not come back home without having sex...and in real life if some girl/wife physically give herself to any guy whether she loves him or attraction or sexual desire...she doesn't see these sexual act as increasing or corruption level..they want to satisfy their own needs. They want to fulfill their own desire whatever they miss from their own side whether they miss being loved or they miss being sexually satisfied etc. they will give themselves if other person can fulfill their own desire. It will never be like if a girl getting wet whole day she'll go and give HJ to others and get satisfied herself lol. Realism is when she's getting wet, she'll find a guy who will fulfill her sexual needs. A girl doesn't get wet to give HJ or BJ to others ...that's common sense.
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A woman who wants to cheat on her husband will do it without hesitation, without feeling guilty, categorically, but, on the other hand, it is not true that a woman married for 20 years succumbs at the first touch, at the first strange dick she sees.
She's not even a teenager anymore, nor is this the first dick she's seen to explain her loss of control. A married woman who is not a slut and who will cheat follows a progression, except accidents, of course, too much drink, drugs ....
That's why I don't find the L&P approach unrealistic, just the multitude of routes running in parallel.
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wonder if she will tell Kendra she blew Chris.
Obviously a married woman will follow a progression..and that progression is getting to know each other or whether she's attracted to talk like dating or time spent with them and I can even get if some married woman has naughty side/horny side for sex, she'll look forward to be comfortable with each other naked at the most to get her physically excited. I m just leaving drugs/drinks aside.
Now this HJ/BJ progression is illogical for realistic scenarios. It's milking I will say..none of the married woman will go and give HJ and comeback if she's horny. Even if it happens by accident and let's say a guy take her hands to his dick..if she's attracted to that guy or if the situation is created for her to submit to the guy demand, she'll do sex...that's 100% guarantee. I mean comeon if a married woman is wet and wants some guy to fulfill her sexual needs.. she'll not go and play with his dick , give HJ, bj and comeback. How this act will fulfill her own desire? It'll not..Here and in AWAM first few parts..the interaction with various characters were made to create that "attraction" towards the guy...if not attraction, the situation has been created where the woman needs to submit whether it's some case or job in line or need of money in line or in case of AWAM to save Dylan from getting beaten up... something like that. They give alot of time and initial few years to create these background story with individual but when it comes to scenes..then they go with whorologic.
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A possibility because she'll be drunk..and that might give opportunity for kendra to make Ana corrupt..Kendra is waiting for this opportunity to get a hint that Ana can give in to her sexual desire. That's all she needs before throwing Marvin and Jake towards her to collect evidence....and tbh Ana will be proud telling that BJ with Chris to kendra because Kendra always taunted her that she cannot flirt with others and all.
Here we might think that Ana is stupid..but from Ana POV, kendra is the only woman on this VN with whom she can talk to about all these girl issues. Rest she's surrounded by men.
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Yes, agreed, with a dick in hand hardly guaranteed that only stays at an HJ, but there should be at least one suitable location... I mean, a hotel room, ... or at least the two in a car. L&P has avoided this so far.
What is fairly certain is that before the cheating there can be make out, dry hump ... In one way or another a woman has to put her thoughts in order, to level the playing field in order to cheat, ... I mean the one who hasn't done it before and is not a slut. ... because there has to be an explanation for "why she hasn't done it in the last 20 y marriages".
Sophia was pretty close on 2 occasions, with Logan/Tyler and with Vicky. In both cases though, the presence of both Ellie and Vicky are serious reasons for not moving forward.
What I found unlikely is how Aiden's gang behaved in their hideout.
He had alot of alone situation..I mean both of them had..to take few examples in APM ...Ana saw Chris nude before and bring him towel..then they were alone in bathroom yea Ana mom was about to arrive but she didn't until the handjob scene ended. Same way in AWAM, sam and Dylan both had seen Sophia nude whether modeling or in bathtub etc...after that they did got alone opportunity too. Like sam room, Sam mom was not there the second time where Sophia get nude herself and cuddled in bed with Sam giving him HJ, same with Dylan when they went out on a date, they were alone in car. But somehow they wanted to develop scenes with whorologic...when sophia was at gym, even the guy's gf wants to do threesome then why to stop or limit upto HJ??. We'll see, here Ana will get opportunity to be alone with Marvin, Jake, grant etc..as he invited her to dinner..but if the developer doesn't want to show sex, he'll fast forward the scene when she's alone with them and create a situation when someone is there lol so that the scene will be limited to BJ. Like what happened with rob lol...David called same way. Ana could have put her mobile on silent and David would not have known where Ana is..And obviously David is not doubting on Rob so he would have not checked on Rob house...but as I said scene is developed as per whorologic
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