VN Ren'Py A Perfect Marriage [v0.7.3b] [Mr Palmer]

[Sadowdark]

Na it was not hurried to sex at all...I just feel when the closeness with antagonist was high..he should had raise the bar of tease level that time rather than creating out of the storyline scenario. Like chris in kitchen, Marvin in bar, rob massage etc..those time dialogues were perfect....tease scenes could have made of high level like a lil bit more those time rather than just groping/spanking...it could have been made like touching from inside the bra or trying to slide hands inside her panties etc. It would have gone with the flow of the main story asthe sexual tension was already raised during those moment..but creating a separate event out of main storyline just to increase corruption with antagonist is odd, and dialogues seems childish / pornish rather than situational or flow of story.

Similar to Game of Thrones in the last, eighth season. They made the characters into total idiots. Stripped of their best character traits.

 

[TeamEquipe]

I've said last year that there might have been developers that have bought his game and continued to make it. While Palmer only does a little bit here and there to help them out and make the transition happen. The writing is completely different from two updates ago. The internal dialogue is constant and meaningless. The change in certain characters actions and glossing over major plot points. It went from a very well written VN to average in an instant.

This happens more and more in this genre now. I believe its the same team buying quite a few of these games out and changing it to their usual cliche, simple style. Whether the new devs pay the original dev to continue to make it but in their new way... Or they completely take over everything.

I've seen Palmers writing earlier and from his short story. Its good. Lately the writing in APM is like a Euro dev. I refuse to believe Palmer is doing most of the writing lately. Nobody can change their style so drastically. I'm guessing that this long break is some behind the scenes crap between both of them. Have seen this exact thing with a couple other games who suddenly had the writing completely change when another dev takes over and all of a sudden go on an unplanned break. Obviously I could be wrong but seems like a pattern and a big coincidence.

Interesting theory, but completely wrong

 

[Couto25]

Similar to Game of Thrones in the last, eighth season. They made the characters into total idiots. Stripped of their best character traits.

Yup not last few season nudity...initial Emilia Clarke concept was good..even with lena heady, all those sex scene goes along with the story... it's more like if things happen in the main storyline, let it happen...I was hoping for hotter sansa and arya stark scene lol it didn't happen...now introducing the whore scenes and unnecessary nude scenes just because nudity became trademark of that series even if those models were beautiful doesn't make sense.

 

[GingerSweetGirl]

Similar to Game of Thrones in the last, eighth season. They made the characters into total idiots. Stripped of their best character traits.

It's been, what, six years since the show ended and we (myself included) can't get over it. Here we are, all us just trying to get off to some smutty games, and yet GOT comes into the conversation and just pisses everyone off all over again. That's a hell of a legacy.

 

[Squadblocked]

I think it's the plot. He might not be a good sexual tease writer but story wise it's good. I also felt the same.. whatever Ana internal thought was in part 1, if scene would have been introduced that time, it would have created a good sensual scene.

But I guess the dialogue nowadays as the scenes are becoming more sexual, it's turning from sensual to porn. I laughed when hank wanted Ana to call him Daddy...it was out of the blue for me lol...like a woman who has daddy issues n all emotional, crying and boss asked her to call him Daddy lol. It's not even cheesy at all .. should have thought of some good pick up line for him...but I guess maybe in future the scene will be designed that way where Ana will be required to call him Daddy in submissive route to satisfy few fantasies.

Story wise i feel he's writing in a hurry...So the scene buildup might be time taking as he's deciding on what fantasies he wants to include on which antagonist paths. That might not be the part of main story, but he has to build up some level of tease in their paths anyways before sex to show slow corruption which might be unnecessary but maybe to satisfy slow corruption lovers. That's where he lose his touch with his writing because this tease is totally based on imagination and not a part of main story. So it doesn't hit the way it did earlier. Think of it as inserting some unnecessary event to achieve a goal of sex in multiple paths trying to cover multiple fantasies that might not even have any impact on main story. Many events in other VNs goes down same way..just because they divert the story in few paths that's not required for sex. That's why I felt that whenever the sensual part comes in any antagonist path in the main story, introduce the scene there itself...so that they don't have to create special event just to build up tease on particular character path. I guess from weekend story onwards dialogue will make more sense as main story will move on from there. For now it's mostly tease building events.

Lol that pretty much why I didn’t want to play his route. I moved between cringing and secondhand embarrassment

 

[Scotty Doesn't Know]

Na it was not hurried to sex at all...I just feel when the closeness with antagonist was high..he should had raise the bar of tease level that time rather than creating out of the storyline scenario. Like chris in kitchen, Marvin in bar, rob massage etc..those time dialogues were perfect....tease scenes could have made of high level like a lil bit more those time rather than just groping/spanking...it could have been made like touching from inside the bra or trying to slide hands inside her panties etc. It would have gone with the flow of the main story asthe sexual tension was already raised during those moment..but creating a separate event out of main storyline just to increase corruption with antagonist is odd, and dialogues seems childish / pornish rather than situational or flow of story.

Like I said before we agree on the same points. I was talking about hurried to sex for my bimbo dream. For APM it was hurried to lewd scenes with no setup. Palmer has setup various scenes and character traits in the past. He has no problem with taking things slowly and explaining in detail why things are happening. I too think that the older tease scenes should have gone a little bit further or a little bit longer. The tease and lewd scenes that have been happening in APM for the last update and a half do not match at all with what has been previously setup with Anna/Chris. There was no dialogue between Robinson and Anna to solve the issue they had with the pregnancy massage she was mad over. Anna now goes back to him with her tits out as if nothing was wrong. Hank becomes her daddy literally out of nowhere. Palmer is a smarter writer than that, which he has shown. As we know he sets up scenarios and scenes first, to get them into position for more teasing or lewd scenes later. The last update and a half has none of that. In fact the exact opposite. How can one person change the way they structure a story and the characters so differently, so quickly. There is something going on and its not good. TeamEquipe may have spoken to him but does he really know the truth?

 

[Sadowdark]

TeamEquipe may have spoken to him but does he really know the truth?

MP doesn't consult with him. At first, when he started the game based on his story, yes. Later, no.

 

[taiyaki man]

Hey Mr_Palmer, Pass the game on to other active developers and spend more time with your family.

This will save you and us a lot of stress.

 

[Dessolos]

Hey Mr_Palmer, Pass the game on to other active developers and spend more time with your family.

This will save you and us a lot of stress.

did he say something pateron 2nd person I see that said this unless you are an alt account but I don't think you are

 

[nexer]

The script is the most complicated part and APM is above average in difficulty.
One starts a game and thinks he can handle it, the reality is a bit different. If you don't make enough money to make a living from it, chances are high that the "abandoned" tag will appear.
I'm not saying he's doing a bad job, far from it, but if this is Mr. Palmer's first time writing a story, I mean, if he doesn't have the writing bug.... things will get stuck.

 

[Lounatick]

The script is the most complicated part and APM is above average in difficulty.
One starts a game and thinks he can handle it, the reality is a bit different. If you don't make enough money to make a living from it, chances are high that the "abandoned" tag will appear.
I'm not saying he's doing a bad job, far from it, but if this is Mr. Palmer's first time writing a story, I mean, if he doesn't have the writing bug.... things will get stuck.

I don't think he had issues with 'not making enough money' from his game, so that can't be an argument at this point.

Get over yourself. This is his game, not yours. You can be unhappy, but you can't make any demands of the dev

I disagree. It’s not just his game; it’s also the game funded by all his patrons. Without them, there wouldn’t be a game at all.
So, as a developer, you have the duty to continue the project if you respect your patrons. (Just to be clear, I'm speaking in general. I'm not pointing fingers at anyone. I just got five game updates today, four of which were tagged as abandoned, so... I'm a bit annoyed. )

Whatever, I just hope to keep seeing updates for this game that I really enjoy!

 

[TonyMurray]

I disagree. It’s not just his game; it’s also the game funded by all his patrons. Without them, there wouldn’t be a game at all.
So, as a developer, you have the duty to continue the project if you respect your patrons. (Just to be clear, I'm speaking in general. I'm not pointing fingers at anyone. I just got five game updates today, four of which were tagged as abandoned, so... I'm a bit annoyed. )

Whatever, I just hope to keep seeing updates for this game that I really enjoy!

I mean in terms of telling the dev how to develop his game - or in the case of this guy, "I don't think you're moving fast enough, give your game to someone else to continue." To be fair, it's usually telling the dev they need to add x content or stop y content, and that's one thing, but there's nothing that gives a player (Patron or otherwise) the right to tell the dev to eff off and have someone else take over.

Patreon entitlement arguments come up all the time in various threads, so I'm not going to touch that specific element of your comment here.

 

[sslovoe]

Hey Mr_Palmer, Pass the game on to other active developers and spend more time with your family.

This will save you and us a lot of stress.

 

[DIRTY FILTHY Animal]

The script is the most complicated part and APM is above average in difficulty.
One starts a game and thinks he can handle it, the reality is a bit different. If you don't make enough money to make a living from it, chances are high that the "abandoned" tag will appear.
I'm not saying he's doing a bad job, far from it, but if this is Mr. Palmer's first time writing a story, I mean, if he doesn't have the writing bug.... things will get stuck.

I thought the story was already written on literotica though by another user who gave him permission to make it into a game? I know he has edited the script to make it more of his own story for the game, but atleast he paused his patrons payments so I can’t rip him

 

[nexer]

I don't think he had issues with 'not making enough money' from his game, so that can't be an argument at this point.

If you earn enough money, this will become your job and you can spend your 8h/day, time spent with your family stays the same. What's happening with MrPalmer is that the game cuts into his free time, and that doesn't work in the long run.
It may be a hobby for him, but in this case we can expect this game to be spread over a long period of time.

 

[nexer]

I thought the story was already written on literotica though by another user who gave him permission to make it into a game? I know he has edited the script to make it more of his own story for the game, but atleast he paused his patrons payments so I can’t rip him

He got the writer's permission to use his story, but this game has long had its own way.

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The question is what does TeamEquipe like to read? And how did Mr. Palmer end up at TeamEquipe? I mean, do the two of them share common tastes? If so, we could approximate the direction in which APM will go.

 

[Lounatick]

If you earn enough money, this will become your job and you can spend your 8h/day, time spent with your family stays the same. What's happening with MrPalmer is that the game cuts into his free time, and that doesn't work in the long run.
It may be a hobby for him, but in this case we can expect this game to be spread over a long period of time.

He has 461 patrons. Let's say they are all paying the lowest tier, which is around $3.50 → 461 × 3.50 = $1,613.
And that's the minimum—I suppose it's probably around double that. So who couldn't make this their main job while earning $3,000 per month? Honestly, I could do it, and I live in a 'rich' country.
So if he really wanted to, he could live making only this. Thus the "not enough money" for him is not an argument imo.

 

[Lounatick]

I mean in terms of telling the dev how to develop his game - or in the case of this guy, "I don't think you're moving fast enough, give your game to someone else to continue." To be fair, it's usually telling the dev they need to add x content or stop y content, and that's one thing, but there's nothing that gives a player (Patron or otherwise) the right to tell the dev to eff off and have someone else take over.

Patreon entitlement arguments come up all the time in various threads, so I'm not going to touch that specific element of your comment here.

I agree that developers shouldn't pay attention to most comments like 'you're too slow,' 'I want this,' or 'hey, lesbian-only path?'... We hear that all the time.

As for the Patreon entitlement arguments, I don't check the forum often enough to know if it comes up too much or not. It was just my personal feeling/perspective on these things.

 

[TonyMurray]

I agree that developers shouldn't pay attention to most comments like 'you're too slow,' 'I want this,' or 'hey, lesbian-only path?'... We hear that all the time.

As for the Patreon entitlement arguments, I don't check the forum often enough to know if it comes up too much or not. It was just my personal feeling/perspective on these things.

Yeah, nothing personal - I just see arguments all the time with people thinking Patreon is one thing, and therefore getting all uppity about what other people are paying for and receiving/not receiving, when Patreon is actually something completely different!

 

[nexer]

He has 461 patrons. Let's say they are all paying the lowest tier, which is around $3.50 → 461 × 3.50 = $1,613.
And that's the minimum—I suppose it's probably around double that. So who couldn't make this their main job while earning $3,000 per month? Honestly, I could do it, and I live in a 'rich' country.
So if he really wanted to, he could live making only this. Thus the "not enough money" for him is not an argument imo.

As far as I know there are 2 people behind this game, MrPalmer is the writer, someone else is in charge of DAZ.