VN Ren'Py A Perfect Marriage [v0.7.3b] [Mr Palmer]

[Couto25]

Thanks, that's nice to hear.



As the life goes on, you will notice that it is very hard to cover all the needs in 100%. It's almost impossible. I don't know if such a couple even exist. I guess it is possible, but I think it's really rare.

David do not satisfy Anna emotionally? Where did that come from? When did Anna say that or even think something like that?

It was quite the opposite actually.

In APM Anna seems very happy with David (until fake accusations), and the only thing lacking is sex aspect. Which is a problem that can be solved.

To be honest, it sounds like a typical female blame shifting from your side.
Very illogical one.



I disagree. They fell in love pretty quickly, that was a mutual feeling. Anna was charmed by David as much as he was with her.

This "trapping" thing is big nonsense and simply not true.

And about "child to keep her" - that's not true too. She's the one who pursues bigger family. She wants to have more babies than just one. Do you remember? She is wondering how to convince David to have more babies.

Did you play this game with caution? Have you read all the dialogues?



If you love someone, you don't think in those categories. Humans are not items that you can use as you like and then throw them away if you get bored.

If you think about them as a disposable pleasures, I don't envy you. It is a very sad and empty life. And the saddest part will come when you realize this while being old and lonely.



Loveless? Yes. Sexless? Depends why it's sexless.

Maybe it's funny to write something like this on such a site, but I will pick love any day and night over a sex.
I like sex very much and it is important, but it's just a pleasant activity. When you love someone though, it's just another level.

Level of success and happiness.


PS. Sorry for spamming this long shit here, I will not drag this topic further for your guys sake.

You are playing faithful route....so that's why your comment is that way. On corrupt route, Ana doesn't seem to be happy with David hiding and all the doubting he does. So story on corrupt route is totally different.

And you had mentioned previously that if a partner dream about someone else when lover is in front of you is known as cheating.....It's not. Unless you act that way it's not. Just an example if a guy is attracted to Scarlett Johansson's body, totally sexual feelings for her beauty.....Not love as person but just physical attraction..They can even say she's hot and come on if Scarlett Johansson throw herself sexually towards anyone who is physically attracted to her, they will do it 99.99% sure. There is 0.1 percent like God kind of person who will not cheat, but humans are not made that way.

And coming back to, whatever we think is not in our control. Just in case or take an example if you have seen porn / any nude actress sex scene or any girl that you find attractive before marriage, and if your lover get nude in front of you for the first time/ lets say honeymoon after marriage....Your expectations of your lover nudity /sex will be totally based on what you have seen previously ....it's natural and normal...so even if your lover body is less or more than whatever you saw previously / sex goes better or worse than what you have expected, previous image/scene or whatever we have experienced obviously comes in our mind and that's "expectation".....lover body can be more or less than expectation it's different...so its not cheating at all.....but yea with time when love grows between partners and if you masturbate thinking about some other person is just a "sexual desire thought" like whatever excite you more or works for you...so unless you act on your thoughts and go physically for others, it's not called actual cheating at all.

You can write all bible in here about faithfulness....or define how biblical faithful love should be..but for me if you havent practically acted as per your own thoughts in front of that person with whoever you are attracted to with a motive to fulfil your sexual desire, it's not considered as cheating.

And yea this is porn website...now if you consider this as adult website it's fine, you can classify as whatever word sound peaceful in your mind..But enjoying some other fictional character sex story , with animated or real character, no matter even if you play faithful path route sex scenes will also fall under cheating right by the principle that you defined previously??... because that's not the woman that you might love in real life right, maybe you just like the character or role that they're playing, or situation that they're involved in...similar to what hollywood actresses do R rated movies in different roles....So indirectly it's kinda porn website only with some story in it. But yea I can say it's more like R rated website where there are stories whether it's adult or porn but scenes on this website are definitely R rated/explicit equivalent to porn and everyone in here are aware of that we get to see explicit sex not like adult movie hiding all pvt parts or censoring all pvt parts of body..no doubt in that.

Just saying like if someone like faithful path, they can play faithful path...If someone like corrupt path, they can play corrupt path...In real life we are just enjoying sex game..But defining what action are classified as cheating and what's not after coming on a porn/adult/explicit website is bs lol..it's more like whatever floats your boat or whatever makes you happy...play that path. Not trying to offend you but just enjoy whatever path you like in the game. Everyone in here has their own fantasies. They are free to play whatever path they like and that only depends on what path MP creates lol...not on us. And moral also depends on people to people..just like politics...whoever like capitalism will bent towards right ...whoever like socialism, they'll go towards left...there is no right or wrong ....it's just whatever principle individual has for their own life, they'll be bend towards those path more and more irrespective of what other people judge...Ana has not cheated yet as per me until she do penetrative sex....Or initiate sexual advance towards others....Submitting to someone else because of situation she's stuck in is also not considered as cheating...just like Chris made her submit towards him by manipulating her in uncertain route. So unless she really do sex with someone where she's willing to do it without a thought of as a revenge on David for her sexual pleasure...thats the time she will cheat. Submitting her to sex is more like taking advantage of her character / nature/situation and thats what Chris is doing.....where extreme cases can be more like blackmail path or making her do in exchange of something valuable to her/rape under alcohol influence when her senses are low etc. should also not fall under cheating situation.

One can say that Ana gave BJ to Chris on Car is act of cheating...Its not...Chris manipulated her and wanted her to give BJ and manipulated her in a way that she will find satisfaction as a revenge on David inside the car because he knows her nature and he knows she is weak now...... Ana wanted her daughter and she wanted Chris to convince David to give his daughter custody to Ana....That's what she wanted and that's what she's stuck in the situation...where she knows Chris nature and she has to give BJ. That's not cheating at all as per me..she's stuck in situation and she's willing to do for her own future life happiness after divorce....not because she want to have sex/relationship with Chris. Offcourse with time spent with Chris, she came closer to him and become more comfortable in these tease acts....but she was not looking for sexual favors from him, she wanted her daughter, she has no one to stand on her side so she has to fight alone against david for divorce right.. and she is comfortable to do those tease act with chris for now where he was being manipulative and trying to take full advantage of her situation.

 

[DarthSpitz717]

You are playing faithful route....so that's why your comment is that way. On corrupt route, Ana doesn't seem to be happy with David hiding and all the doubting he does. So story on corrupt route is totally different.

And you had mentioned previously that if a partner dream about someone else when lover is in front of you is known as cheating.....It's not. Unless you act that way it's not. Just an example if a guy is attracted to Scarlett Johansson's body, totally sexual feelings for her beauty.....Not love as person but just physical attraction..They can even say she's hot and come on if Scarlett Johansson throw herself sexually towards anyone who is physically attracted to her, they will do it 99.99% sure. There is 0.1 percent like God kind of person who will not cheat, but humans are not made that way.

And coming back to, whatever we think is not in our control. Just in case or take an example if you have seen porn / any nude actress sex scene or any girl that you find attractive before marriage, and if your lover get nude in front of you for the first time/ lets say honeymoon after marriage....Your expectations of your lover nudity /sex will be totally based on what you have seen previously ....it's natural and normal...so even if your lover body is less or more than whatever you saw previously / sex goes better or worse than what you have expected, previous image/scene or whatever we have experienced obviously comes in our mind and that's "expectation".....lover body can be more or less than expectation it's different...so its not cheating at all.....but yea with time when love grows between partners and if you masturbate thinking about some other person is just a "sexual desire thought" like whatever excite you more or works for you...so unless you act on your thoughts and go physically for others, it's not called actual cheating at all.

You can write all bible in here about faithfulness....or define how biblical faithful love should be..but for me if you havent practically acted as per your own thoughts in front of that person with whoever you are attracted to with a motive to fulfil your sexual desire, it's not considered as cheating.

And yea this is porn website...now if you consider this as adult website it's fine, you can classify as whatever word sound peaceful in your mind..But enjoying some other fictional character sex story , with animated or real character, no matter even if you play faithful path route sex scenes will also fall under cheating right by the principle that you defined previously??... because that's not the woman that you might love in real life right, maybe you just like the character or role that they're playing, or situation that they're involved in...similar to what hollywood actresses do R rated movies in different roles....So indirectly it's kinda porn website only with some story in it. But yea I can say it's more like R rated website where there are stories whether it's adult or porn but scenes on this website are definitely R rated/explicit equivalent to porn and everyone in here are aware of that we get to see explicit sex not like adult movie hiding all pvt parts or censoring all pvt parts of body..no doubt in that.

Just saying like if someone like faithful path, they can play faithful path...If someone like corrupt path, they can play corrupt path...In real life we are just enjoying sex game..But defining what action are classified as cheating and what's not after coming on a porn/adult/explicit website is bs lol..it's more like whatever floats your boat or whatever makes you happy...play that path. Not trying to offend you but just enjoy whatever path you like in the game. Everyone in here has their own fantasies. They are free to play whatever path they like and that only depends on what path MP creates lol...not on us. And moral also depends on people to people..just like politics...whoever like capitalism will bent towards right ...whoever like socialism, they'll go towards left...there is no right or wrong ....it's just whatever principle individual has for their own life, they'll be bend towards those path more and more irrespective of what other people judge...Ana has not cheated yet as per me until she do penetrative sex....Or initiate sexual advance towards others....Submitting to someone else because of situation she's stuck in is also not considered as cheating...just like Chris made her submit towards him by manipulating her in uncertain route. So unless she really do sex with someone where she's willing to do it without a thought of as a revenge on David for her sexual pleasure...thats the time she will cheat. Submitting her to sex is more like taking advantage of her character / nature/situation and thats what Chris is doing.....where extreme cases can be more like blackmail path or making her do in exchange of something valuable to her/rape under alcohol influence when her senses are low etc.

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Thing about NTR games or content, it's a red flag for a lot of players out there. I've read a lot of comments about other games and a whole heated debate starts up over NTR content. Sad for Mr. Palmer is his game will never be played by those opposed to NTR.

Generally, people are flawed, and this game is about a human flaw. Now I can write...and write about the upsides of genetics and cheating {I'll spare people...you all can thank me later} ... and for Heaven's sake don't get me going about Biblical studies and the Bible as well as any other religions. And most especially don't even get me started about social economics of marriage or the history of said same.

A person can argue correctly about the 2 million years of human evolution... another can take on psychology... economics...etc. Regardless of when taking on the topic of NTR, cuckoldry, or cheating the first reality is that it happens. The second reality is there are plenty of reasons and excuses that it occurs. And the whole topic itself has people taking various stances on it. Stay alive long enough and eventually in one way or another you either know of it happening or worst... or better (no judgments here.)

Now, with this game first its entertaining. If you need an analogy, think of it as why people stare at car accidents. Or this game is interesting in some way to others. To others not so much; just like for me games with chicks-with-dicks isn't in my wheelhouse nor a great many things. It's the same range of viewpoints when it comes to Anna and her adventures, or how people see David, let alone the rest of the characters.

There really are a lot of NTR games out there, but it's not so much the NTR topic I am interested in, but how Mr. Palmer works with reasonable plausibility of the fringe aspects of Hank, Marvin, and Grant. And for now, I only follow this one NTR game. Once AWAM finally gets back on track with the main storyline, I'll start following it again--but no longer as a good game, but to watch the total trainwreck it's becoming. YES, I do love a good disaster movie or disastrous story to tear it apart.

 

[boobthief]

Thanks, that's nice to hear.



As the life goes on, you will notice that it is very hard to cover all the needs in 100%. It's almost impossible. I don't know if such a couple even exist. I guess it is possible, but I think it's really rare.

David do not satisfy Anna emotionally? Where did that come from? When did Anna say that or even think something like that?

It was quite the opposite actually.

In APM Anna seems very happy with David (until fake accusations), and the only thing lacking is sex aspect. Which is a problem that can be solved.

To be honest, it sounds like a typical female blame shifting from your side.
Very illogical one.



I disagree. They fell in love pretty quickly, that was a mutual feeling. Anna was charmed by David as much as he was with her.

This "trapping" thing is big nonsense and simply not true.

And about "child to keep her" - that's not true too. She's the one who pursues bigger family. She wants to have more babies than just one. Do you remember? She is wondering how to convince David to have more babies.

Did you play this game with caution? Have you read all the dialogues?



If you love someone, you don't think in those categories. Humans are not items that you can use as you like and then throw them away if you get bored.

If you think about them as a disposable pleasures, I don't envy you. It is a very sad and empty life. And the saddest part will come when you realize this while being old and lonely.



Loveless? Yes. Sexless? Depends why it's sexless.

Maybe it's funny to write something like this on such a site, but I will pick love any day and night over a sex.
I like sex very much and it is important, but it's just a pleasant activity. When you love someone though, it's just another level.

Level of success and happiness.


PS. Sorry for spamming this long shit here, I will not drag this topic further for your guys sake.

I think Couto25 is correct - it depends on the choices in your playthrough.

So I'm not going to search for quotes and argue because it can be very subjective.

I think Anna and David are a mismatched couple, an extrovert and an introvert, which theoretically complete and satisfy each other but in reality I think that would be a very superficial understanding of relationship dynamics and it makes for an unrealistic long term future together (credit to this developer's story for such depth).

Or to put it in blunt terms, David is a 7/10 on a good day and Anna is a 9/10 any day. They could last as a couple if David is happy... but in my playthrough David is dishonest, controlling, and jealous.

 

[boobthief]

Imagine how the world would be if every couples were followin' this logic..... Did our ancestors did their job poorly? Or did communication no longer exist?

People throughout history were not chaste. That's a hilarious take!

A very long time ago, it was written: "Thou shalt not commit adultery." Because adultery never happened they just thought it was worth republishing this commandment several billion times...

 

[boobthief]

What have you written, an ode to the cheater? A very feminist approach
No, that's not true, Anna chose David. Anna trapped David.
Remember, from the start, Chris was hitting on Anna, but she showed no interest. Anna wanted to get married, to have a child, but back there she reads Chris right, he was not a husband material. She sought a man like David, she chose him because she knew he was what she needed. Was it love or pure selfishness?A mixture, I suppose.
Now, with some of the needs in Maslow's pyramid covered, Anna is emancipating.

So no, David is trapped. But the trap holds as long as there are feelings. When the feelings start to decay the trap weakens, and Anna will lose everything that was important to her.
Is anyone who's hitting on Anna interested in marrying her?

David ended his relationship with "Kendra" when she tried to pressure him into proposing. So he chose his marriage to Anna.

[Anna] loved him for who he was, and that’s what he needed.

But David had gnawing anxiety knowing he "married up."

Everything else depends on the decisions you make when you play - so I'll leave it there.

 

[Couto25]

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Thing about NTR games or content, it's a red flag for a lot of players out there. I've read a lot of comments about other games and a whole heated debate starts up over NTR content. Sad for Mr. Palmer is his game will never be played by those opposed to NTR.

Generally, people are flawed, and this game is about a human flaw. Now I can write...and write about the upsides of genetics and cheating {I'll spare people...you all can thank me later} ... and for Heaven's sake don't get me going about Biblical studies and the Bible as well as any other religions. And most especially don't even get me started about social economics of marriage or the history of said same.

A person can argue correctly about the 2 million years of human evolution... another can take on psychology... economics...etc. Regardless of when taking on the topic of NTR, cuckoldry, or cheating the first reality is that it happens. The second reality is there are plenty of reasons and excuses that it occurs. And the whole topic itself has people taking various stances on it. Stay alive long enough and eventually in one way or another you either know of it happening or worst... or better (no judgments here.)

Now, with this game first its entertaining. If you need an analogy, think of it as why people stare at car accidents. Or this game is interesting in some way to others. To others not so much; just like for me games with chicks-with-dicks isn't in my wheelhouse nor a great many things. It's the same range of viewpoints when it comes to Anna and her adventures, or how people see David, let alone the rest of the characters.

There really are a lot of NTR games out there, but it's not so much the NTR topic I am interested in, but how Mr. Palmer works with reasonable plausibility of the fringe aspects of Hank, Marvin, and Grant. And for now, I only follow this one NTR game. Once AWAM finally gets back on track with the main storyline, I'll start following it again--but no longer as a good game, but to watch the total trainwreck it's becoming. YES, I do love a good disaster movie or disastrous story to tear it apart.

MP introduced alot of situation together for Ana where any woman on this earth will tear apart.
1. Her father was strict with her.
2. David cheated on her atleast that's what she think and no one has any proof for his innocence. She has proof from others that he did cheated on her. Her previous bf wanted hardcore sex advantage of her physically
3. Work boss and colleagues where she try to hangout and work hard are trying to take advantage of her weakness...like Hank trying to take advantage of her daddy issues and want to sexually harass her by spanking her and kissing her everyday, Kendra want to know more about her and alcohol obviously.
4. David trying to get back to her without proof and trying to get custody of sophia too.
5. She knows David company doesnt have money, so she need extra money too for taking care of her daughter. David also hide his own company details and always act jealous of wherever she goes or whoever she wanna spend time with.
6. Her hormones , sexually dissatisfied all the time. David wanted his sexual BJ fantasy that she hated previously about his own ex bf. So he's also not understanding.
7. She try to open up in office that she consider as friend and she is opening to David ex Kendra who is throwing her sexually to everyone.

I mean in corrupt path, MP introduced all these obstacles in Ana's life where she has no father. We don't know much about her mother yet. But she's trying to consult about her problems with her doc ...I mean if any girl goes through these 6/7 issues where her future is at stake..where none of her husband friend is there to support her not even his Best Man. Where will she open up to?? She will break up...It's not a corrupt path...MP has created a disaster situation for ANA where she cant be herself for fun in her workplace or home or friends. Her boss want to spank and kissing her.

I mean a normal woman would have done suicide where for money she has to go through sexual harassment on work then hear from husband who went to cheat on her...or she will find someone else to love or take care of atleast one of her few situation as sexual desire or finance or care for her few problems mentioned above ..that MP created for Ana and that's what she is searching for......I am surprised she survived 2 weeks without getting fucked or suicide. And here as a gamer people judge her as slut lol. Man it's sad life for Ana in corrupt path. I mean none of the women life/situation will be so complicated as Ana that's for sure.

 

[Menace o Santana]

You are playing faithful route....so that's why your comment is that way. On corrupt route, Ana doesn't seem to be happy with David hiding and all the doubting he does. So story on corrupt route is totally different.

And you had mentioned previously that if a partner dream about someone else when lover is in front of you is known as cheating.....It's not. Unless you act that way it's not. Just an example if a guy is attracted to Scarlett Johansson's body, totally sexual feelings for her beauty.....Not love as person but just physical attraction..They can even say she's hot and come on if Scarlett Johansson throw herself sexually towards anyone who is physically attracted to her, they will do it 99.99% sure. There is 0.1 percent like God kind of person who will not cheat, but humans are not made that way.

And coming back to, whatever we think is not in our control. Just in case or take an example if you have seen porn / any nude actress sex scene or any girl that you find attractive before marriage, and if your lover get nude in front of you for the first time/ lets say honeymoon after marriage....Your expectations of your lover nudity /sex will be totally based on what you have seen previously ....it's natural and normal...so even if your lover body is less or more than whatever you saw previously / sex goes better or worse than what you have expected, previous image/scene or whatever we have experienced obviously comes in our mind and that's "expectation".....lover body can be more or less than expectation it's different...so its not cheating at all.....but yea with time when love grows between partners and if you masturbate thinking about some other person is just a "sexual desire thought" like whatever excite you more or works for you...so unless you act on your thoughts and go physically for others, it's not called actual cheating at all.

You can write all bible in here about faithfulness....or define how biblical faithful love should be..but for me if you havent practically acted as per your own thoughts in front of that person with whoever you are attracted to with a motive to fulfil your sexual desire, it's not considered as cheating.

And yea this is porn website...now if you consider this as adult website it's fine, you can classify as whatever word sound peaceful in your mind..But enjoying some other fictional character sex story , with animated or real character, no matter even if you play faithful path route sex scenes will also fall under cheating right by the principle that you defined previously??... because that's not the woman that you might love in real life right, maybe you just like the character or role that they're playing, or situation that they're involved in...similar to what hollywood actresses do R rated movies in different roles....So indirectly it's kinda porn website only with some story in it. But yea I can say it's more like R rated website where there are stories whether it's adult or porn but scenes on this website are definitely R rated/explicit equivalent to porn and everyone in here are aware of that we get to see explicit sex not like adult movie hiding all pvt parts or censoring all pvt parts of body..no doubt in that.

Just saying like if someone like faithful path, they can play faithful path...If someone like corrupt path, they can play corrupt path...In real life we are just enjoying sex game..But defining what action are classified as cheating and what's not after coming on a porn/adult/explicit website is bs lol..it's more like whatever floats your boat or whatever makes you happy...play that path. Not trying to offend you but just enjoy whatever path you like in the game. Everyone in here has their own fantasies. They are free to play whatever path they like and that only depends on what path MP creates lol...not on us. And moral also depends on people to people..just like politics...whoever like capitalism will bent towards right ...whoever like socialism, they'll go towards left...there is no right or wrong ....it's just whatever principle individual has for their own life, they'll be bend towards those path more and more irrespective of what other people judge...Ana has not cheated yet as per me until she do penetrative sex....Or initiate sexual advance towards others....Submitting to someone else because of situation she's stuck in is also not considered as cheating...just like Chris made her submit towards him by manipulating her in uncertain route. So unless she really do sex with someone where she's willing to do it without a thought of as a revenge on David for her sexual pleasure...thats the time she will cheat. Submitting her to sex is more like taking advantage of her character / nature/situation and thats what Chris is doing.....where extreme cases can be more like blackmail path or making her do in exchange of something valuable to her/rape under alcohol influence when her senses are low etc. should also not fall under cheating situation.

One can say that Ana gave BJ to Chris on Car is act of cheating...Its not...Chris manipulated her and wanted her to give BJ and manipulated her in a way that she will find satisfaction as a revenge on David inside the car because he knows her nature and he knows she is weak now...... Ana wanted her daughter and she wanted Chris to convince David to give his daughter custody to Ana....That's what she wanted and that's what she's stuck in the situation...where she knows Chris nature and she has to give BJ. That's not cheating at all as per me..she's stuck in situation and she's willing to do for her own future life happiness after divorce....not because she want to have sex/relationship with Chris. Offcourse with time spent with Chris, she came closer to him and become more comfortable in these tease acts....but she was not looking for sexual favors from him, she wanted her daughter, she has no one to stand on her side so she has to fight alone against david for divorce right.. and she is comfortable to do those tease act with chris for now where he was being manipulative and trying to take full advantage of her situation.

Sorry in advance to not take a specific quote in your post and to be more precise....
Thinkin' about other mans while masturbatin' is not cheatin' we all agree with that's a big fact no one can deny.
But don't take one thing and make a
generality you don't considere BJ,HD cheatin' it's fine..... that's your level of tolerance but it's actually cheatin' and as for Chris manipulatin' Anna that is completely BS....Anna is just diggin' for excuses to spread her legs properly don't forget she send the ling pic picture before the scandale with Alexa. And if Chris can manipulate her like ttat. i wonder who's fault after all she can handle everything right? That could explain why David is not aware that Chris was molestin' his wife
Think that properly Chris didn't use force on her to suck it she did it with consent and havin' another man cobra in your mouth it's cheatin' and i want to precise that have nothin' to do with the Bible(corrupt path)

In the slow corrupt path she's fightin' her desire and in the full corrupt one she just give herself to it and embrace her true self i mean a wife who really want to be sexually satisfied capable of ignorin' her child future

 

[DarthSpitz717]

I think Couto25 is correct - it depends on the choices in your playthrough.

So I'm not going to search for quotes and argue because it can be very subjective.

I think Anna and David are a mismatched couple, an extrovert and an introvert, which theoretically complete and satisfy each other but in reality I think that would be a very superficial understanding of relationship dynamics and it makes for an unrealistic long term future together (credit to this developer's story for such depth).

Or to put it in blunt terms, David is a 7/10 on a good day and Anna is a 9/10 any day. They could last as a couple if David is happy... but in my playthrough David is dishonest, controlling, and jealous.

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I think Couto25 is correct - it depends on the choices in your playthrough. I'm in agreement with you there

So I'm not going to search for quotes and argue because it can be very subjective.

I think Anna and David are a mismatched couple, an extrovert and an introvert, which theoretically complete and satisfy each other but in reality I think that would be a very superficial understanding of relationship dynamics and it makes for an unrealistic long term future together (credit to this developer's story for such depth). I been posting pretty much the same observations about David and Anna, though not so succinctly because in my view its more complicated than that.

There is no such thing as a perfect match, but certainly there is a toxic one... Now I'm thinking of Lady GaGa's song "Bad Romance." But no David and Anna are not the toxic romance, but without more background information about Anna and David most of what I suspect are speculations from observation, general understanding of human psychology and personal experience. However, from what information that is out there or game canon a lot of people can deduce:

Anna, we know had a tyrannical father with control issues but is/was successful in life. Worst Anna's father likely believed his way was the only way. For Anna he imposed the best and worst of his demands on her. And like most children Anna sought her parents' approval. So while Anna's father was willing to help Anna with her education and motivate her, he most likely kept Anna sheltered from the rest of the world least the world corrupt his raising of his daughter. So could one say throughout her youth Anna suffered Stockholm Syndrome? ... Maybe. However, she is a product of how she was raised. The net effect is Anna achieved a high education, is successful, and a functional adult... just with a lot of emotional baggage.

David from what little we have seen of his past appears to have a normal childhood and had the resources and support of his family to become successful. We know he had a toxic relationship with Kendra(sic) but little else we can point to. But we need the rest of the game and information to work out David's character. Can anyone argue David is full of self-confidence? It's safe David isn't a wimp, but it would seem he hasn't seen much struggle and turmoil and has little understanding of human nature.

So what is it that brought Anna and David together. Where Anna quietly rebelled against her father's authority, it was limited and still within the safety her father provided. But David is nothing like her father. She has more an equal say in their relationship and David was the 'safer' option than most other males out there. And David checked off enough of Anna's boxes. David being somewhat unsure and confident saw a goddess at first and likely thought himself way out of Anna's league. And when David finally got to date Anna, how much of an ego and confidence boost was Anna to David?

The problem is Anna is not a complete person, and David isn't/wasn't enough to complete Anna. Nothing wrong with Anna being very sexual, but David not strong enough to provide a comforting atmosphere Anna is use too throughout her life... and confident enough {in the Timothy/Dale scene look closely how Anna compares David to those two} to give Anna emotional security, that is a recipe for disaster. Most women when they compare their partners to others if it's a good match don't see critical defects in their partners (the grass is always greener argument). Sadly, every little thing just adds up.

Then there are the very specifics flaws in David and Anna. In some ways Anna is too sexually charged and easy to arouse-- both from a domineering childhood repressing feelings and just simple nature. Anna is too confident in her abilities having known mostly success and little failure in life. And Anna 'settled' with David... he was just good enough while Anna had and still has higher needs. David is flawed in that he can't see his own reasons why he married Anna... He can see how others look at him for getting a goddess, so she is more a trophy and possession--he worries about other men. David has no confidence in his own wife's ability to reject those men--basically, he has no confidence in himself to be man enough to hold onto his wife because he knows without admitting it to himself, he is lacking.

Or to put it in blunt terms, David is a 7/10 on a good day and Anna is a 9/10 any day. They could last as a couple if David is happy... but in my playthrough David is dishonest, controlling, and jealous.

 

[Couto25]

Sorry for to not take a specific quote in your post and to be more precise....
Thinkin' about other mans while masturbatin' is not cheatin' we all agree with that's a big fact no one can deny.
But don't take one thing and make a
generality you don't considere BJ,HD cheatin' it's fine..... that's your level of tolerance but it's actually cheatin' and as for Chris manipulatin' Anna that is completely BS....Anna is just diggin' for excuses to spread her legs properly don't forget she send the ling pic picture before the scandale with Alexa. And if Chris can manipulate her like ttat. i wonder who's fault after all she can handle everything right? That could explain why David is not aware that Chris was molestin' his wife
Think that properly Chris didn't use force on her to suck it she did it with consent and havin' another man cobra in your mouth it's cheatin' and i want to precise that have nothin' to do with the Bible(corrupt path)

In the slow corrupt path she's fightin' her desire and in the full corrupt one she just give herself to it and embrace her true self i mean a wife who really want to be sexually satisfied capable of ignorin' her child future

See here what happen is when one play Faithful route and argue about corrupt route..When you choose corrupt options for david too then i guess you will get your answers. Yea Ana has send pics and why did she send or when did she sent?? When she got proof that her husband cheated on him on that particular day and chris came to console her. So obviously Chris took advantage of her from the beginning..And it's David action that result in Ana's reaction..In corrupt route, David tell Ana's off in face off arguement. Ana's do share friendly pics and all naughty stuff obviously..she has sexual desire everyday obviously..and Chris just taking advantage of that and her situation with David.

Again Chris didnt forced her Ana to do BJ , he just manipulated it smartly ....she had fight with David right and argument about custody of Sophia, and Ana wanted Chris to convince David so that the custody of Sophia will come to her...and after bathroom scene, lets say Ana got comfortable to do that with chris in garage.

I think you miss the whole dialogue why Chris wanted BJ from Ana and why he was consoling Ana?? She wanted Sophia custody and wanted Chris to convince David. So it's argument that leads to that way. It's the situation she is stuck in with David and she want Chris to work for her and take his side.....where with time she also got comfortable with Chris and obviously he manipulate her to take full advantage of her until he gets it. See it's not about the scene...it's about why Ana is doing it right?? In real world A friend might not have asked Ana to do any favor but here Chris wants some favor for himself.

 

[boobthief]

Then there are the very specifics flaws in David and Anna. In some ways Anna is too sexually charged and easy to arouse-- both from a domineering childhood repressing feelings and just simple nature. Anna is too confident in her abilities having known mostly success and little failure in life. And Anna 'settled' with David... he was just good enough while Anna had and still has higher needs. David is flawed in that he can't see his own reasons why he married Anna... He can see how others look at him for getting a goddess, so she is more a trophy and possession--he worries about other men. David has no confidence in his own wife's ability to reject those men--basically, he has no confidence in himself to be man enough to hold onto his wife because he knows without admitting it to himself, he is lacking.

Agree. I think this is the crux of the matter.

It's a self-fulfilling prophecy: David's lack of trust, based on his insecurity, pushes Anna away, to ultimately cheat.

Relationships - of all kinds - are like sand held in your hand. Held loosely, with an open hand, the sand remains where it is. The minute you close your hand and squeeze tightly to hold on, the sand trickles through your fingers. You may hold onto it, but most will be spilled. A relationship is like that. Held loosely, with respect and freedom for the other person, it is likely to remain intact. But hold too tightly, too possessively, and the relationship slips away and is lost.

 

[Menace o Santana]

See here what happen is when one play Faithful route and argue about corrupt route..

I'm talkin' about the first ling pic..... The one that you had no choice over it (i need to precise)

Again Chris didnt forced her Ana to do BJ , he just manipulated it smartly ....she had fight with David right and argument about custody of Sophia, and Ana wanted Chris to convince David so that the custody of Sophia will come to her...and after bathroom scene, lets say Ana got comfortable to do that with chris in garage.

I think you miss the whole dialogue why Chris wanted BJ from Ana and why he was consoling Ana?? She wanted Sophia custody and wanted Chris to convince David. So it's argument that leads to that way. It's the situation she is stuck in with David and she want Chris to work for her and take his side.....where with time she also got comfortable with Chris and obviously he manipulate her to take full advantage of her until he gets it. See it's not about the scene...it's about why Ana is doing it right?? In real world A friend might not have asked Ana to do any favor but here Chris wants some favor for himself.

So now i see why you don't considere that scene cheatin' kuz Chris use a smart move? Like many other man who want to make a dumb wife fall into temptation i would say the only reason it coulb be not cheatin' if he had r@..or blackmail her ......Anna is the one allowin' Chris to manipulate her she used to flirt with Chris before that scandal happened depend on you're choice if there is someone who clearly know chris intention is 100% Anna
And again with the David accusation.... that's a little easy to point at someone don't you think? Even if David had accept Alexa advance or not Anna bein' jealous or makin' a scene is strictly hypocrite and if David actin' very contrillin' i wonder if he had no reason too.....after all Anna's ass is the hands confort of most guys right?

Anna want the Child is because of her well-known pride....Hank, Marvin,Chris those dude couldn't care less about that child but for the mothers ass of course...and Anna is the third one to noticed that after David and Kendra as for Jack it seem that she have a heart after all......
Sofia's future is fucked up mostly because of her mother and yes there is no communication not that David could have initiate it kuz no matter what Anna would never tell the truth she's too perfect and can handle everythin' by herself.......

 

[Couto25]

I'm talkin' about the first ling pic..... The one that you had no choice over it (i need to precise)

So now i see why you don't considere that scene cheatin' kuz Chris use a smart move? Like many other man who want to make a dumb wife fall into temptation i would say the only reason it coulb be not cheatin' if he had r@..or blackmail her ......Anna is the one allowin' Chris to manipulate her she used to flirt with Chris before that scandal happened depend on you're choice if there is someone who clearly know chris intention is 100% Anna
And again with the David accusation.... that's a little easy to point at someone don't you think? Even if David had accept Alexa advance or not Anna bein' jealous or makin' a scene is strictly hypocrite and if David actin' very contrillin' i wonder if he had no reason too.....after all Anna's ass is the hands confort of most guys right?

Anna want the Child is because of her well-known pride....Hank, Marvin,Chris those dude couldn't care less about that child but for the mothers ass of course...and Anna is the third one to noticed that after David and Kendra as for Jack it seem that she have z hearth after all......
Sofia's future is fucked up mostly because of her mother and yes there is no communication not that David could have initiate it kuz no matter what Anna would never tell the truth she's too perfect and can handle everythin' by herself.......

Well okay I totally understand Ana has all hidden sexual desire even I wanted Chris to fuck Ana lol.

Now you are saying that Ana thinks that she is perfect and can handle everything by herself....Now why does Ana think that way??? Because her Dad made her that way and we will see it later..that's my guess...I mean tell me a girl who has no parents, will she get everything just because she has sexual desire?? No right?? She want someone to be on her side right?? Or she will ask for favour from anyone to get what she want...I am not saying she's stupid...I am saying with time she got comfortable to do those things with Chris. She knows Chris intention clearly. And she doesnt mind because Chris taking advantage of her weakness via reminding her of David mistakes to her every single time. Everytime Chris console her telling her David doing wrong with her. She knows Chris intention...she's just getting comfortable with him slowly. And most of All single kids on this world who has no parents are good in taking responsibility of everything by themselves even if they are right or wrong, they learning from their own mistakes with time but they do take much risk to achieve something if they want something....they are made that way. They are not like David who is not able to take care of his company and his dad is taking care of his business. No need to search job for himself and spoon fed everything.

About lingerie first pic...ana was obviously high on hormones and David withhold sex and she feeling naughty obviously. That's what she shared in chat with Chris before sharing pic right? Chris blamed David and he also shared that David with Alexia the next time...showed David dancing with her..so he always try to hurt her before taking advantage of her.. Chris was hitting on her before marriage time and she is fine with it. And That wasnt cheating. If the story would have gone that way where Ana feel hot for Chris because of her own sexual desire and she is feeling naughty for chris then yes This BJ and Ana HJ is cheating act. But he changed the situation added david not sexually satisfying Ana, david cheating scenario, David cheating is known by many and Chris trying to take advantage and want her sad all the time to get near her is Chris being manipulative part.

As I said before whenever Ana fall in someone's trap whether it's chris or marvin or anyone..MP always shows reason ...until now it was her situation with David...But i Guess with Marvin /Hank scene it will be because of her relationship with her Dad....that's why he's introducing that flashback scene.

If MP would have potrayed that Ana is feeling hot for everyone and she's just accepting everyone move just because she's sexually dissatisfied then yes i will say she's going on cheating....But things are different here ....Ana want money, custody, sexual satisfaction, elder approvals, client satisfaction, friends with whom she can share about her issues etc....And many issues related to DAvid not understanding, hiding few stuffs not just business but alexia too, unable to provide his proof of innocence but getting jealous of her and few because of her father.. Her sexual desire is just a small part of story.

 

[Menace o Santana]

People throughout history were not chaste. That's a hilarious take!

A very long time ago, it was written: "Thou shalt not commit adultery." Because adultery never happened they just thought it was worth republishing this commandment several billion times...

Our time is surely better then........yay!
Who's talkin' about commandement? The fixation on wantin' to banalise adultery is so high i guess. It's like when you marry someone you put in your head there will be no issues and you'll stay in that relation ship for life.....if any argument and issue pop up you pack your bags and go to neighbor house nearby.....i gues some think that "A Perfect Marriage"exist. Mr Palmer, how many people have you fooled with that Header?

 

[Menace o Santana]

About lingerie first pic...ana was obviously high on hormones and David withhold sex and she feeling naughty obviously.

And that's what made a cheater right? Everythin' have a beginnin'....either you're a slut from the start and you can't stay with one partner or your desire made you and that's exactly Anna's case she had a start before suckin' the soul out of Chris
As for me i don't considere the ling pic cheatin' kuz it is not physically made and with consent..... it's a little complicate let's say it's just an act of unfaithfulness.I may not considère it Cheatin' but i will not stay with a women who had send a ling pics to my best friend for sure!
Anythin' who's happenin' right now is the result of one and only "Lack of communication"

 

[Couto25]

And that's what made a cheater right? Everythin' have a beginnin'....other you're a slut from the start and you can stay with one partner or your desire made you and that's exactly Anna's case she had a start before suckin' the soul out of Chris
As for me i don't considere the ling pic cheatin' kuz it is not physically made and with consent..... it's a little complicate let's say it's just an act of unfaithfulness.I may not considère it Cheatin' but i will not stay with a women who had send a ling pics to my best friend for sure!
Anythin' who's happenin' right now is the result of one and only "Lack of communication"

I am not going to argue anymore lol....its complicated...It's what david did with Ana before....David with Alexia made her sent Lingerie pic to Chris. And Chris was manipulative...I am not denying Ana didnt do it...and there was no option for David for not dancing with Alexia in the bar too...so the same event happens in both path. What Ana acted is the repercussion of David actions that's all I have to say . Chris sent David dancing pic with Alexia first then asked for Ana pic from her. He said he's putting his friendship with David in the line so he deserve a favor from her too while also stating that david enjoying with other girls. Rest is on you whatever you can think of it...you can take it that way lol. Lack of communication is from David side first always....there is always an option to "tell her off" , "dont tell about Alexia" , " dont tell about business issue" always in David path ..its on players how they played. So if Ana is a cheater then David started cheating first.

I mean its irony..right....A woman is called slut even when a man did similar thing first...Society patriarchy lol; It's on night gown pic though...lingerie pic is later on after fight with David and David was at Chris house.

 

[sslovoe]

wow we get page 1000 think this something for game history

 

[Enola Gay]

I am not going to argue anymore lol....its complicated...

No, it's not. It's not at all. Complicated is your line of defense because you know deep inside who is guilty* of this situation, but you just simply can't admit that.

I mean its irony..right....A woman is called slut even when a man did similar thing first...Society patriarchy lol; It's on night gown pic though...lingerie pic is later on after fight with David and David was at Chris house.

You're blaming society and patriarchy, but somehow you failed to see that Anna sents this photos anyway, no matter if you argue with her or not.

So it is another empty and illogical argument from your side.

In my eyes, you guys try to defend something that can't be defended and you are messing up the facts on purpose... or just not paying attention to the story of this game.

Couto25
Update:

*I meant Anna, not you.

 

[Menace o Santana]

I am not going to argue anymore lol....its complicated...It's what david did with Ana before....David with Alexia made her sent Lingerie pic to Chris. And Chris was manipulative...I am not denying Ana didnt do it...and there was no option for David for not dancing with Alexia in the bar too...so the same event happens in both path. What Ana acted is the repercussion of David actions that's all I have to say . Chris sent David dancing pic with Alexia first then asked for Ana pic from her. He said he's putting his friendship with David in the line so he deserve a favor from her too while also stating that david enjoying with other girls. Rest is on you whatever you can think of it...you can take it that way lol. Lack of communication is from David side first always....there is always an option to "tell her off" , "dont tell about Alexia" , " dont tell about business issue" always in David path ..its on players how they played. So if Ana is a cheater then David started cheating first.

I mean its irony..right....A woman is called slut even when a man did similar thing first...Society patriarchy lol; It's on night gown pic though...lingerie pic is later on after fight with David and David was at Chris house.

You did whrite a lot for someone who don't want to argue about it anymore
And i wonder who called Anna slut? It turn out that U had read this long sentence with lot precipitation "either you're a slut from the start and you can't stay with one partner (example){......... (Anna's situation)or your desire made you and that's exactly Anna's case she had a start before suckin' the soul out of Chris"

Now your even comparin' the Dance with Alexa with Anna's ling pics and even want to play the irony card. Irony you said?I wonder what would you think about your pregnant wife gettin' a massage from the neighbor? Rob has such great hands righ?

Lack of communication is on David's first Always? That's hilarous.... how many time Anna get gropped? By whoever he is as a Bonus with David best friend.......this is weird to say and I'm consious of it.... I'll just said it as an example since with it their would be no story. If Anna had talk none of that shit would of happenned Chris would of been unable to manipulate her....David fault is too be a beta (I'm based on the meetin' with pregnant Anna,Hank and David) and also his sexually weak......whith i'm sure have solutions.....

 

[Couto25]

No, it's not. It's not at all. Complicated is your line of defense because you know deep inside who is guilty of this situation, but you just simply can't admit that.



You're blaming society and patriarchy, but somehow you failed to see that Anna sents this photos anyway, no matter if you argue with her or not.

So it is another empty and illogical argument from your side.

In my eyes, you guys try to defend something that can't be defended and you are messing up the facts on purpose... or just not paying attention to the story of this game.

Lol why would i feel guilty lol...By complicated means....situation around Ana that has been created by MP in multiple direction is complicated...It's not a straight forward path that Ana has sexual desire that's why she is slutting aroung everyone. There are many reason beside her sexual desire too..I am not defending her, infact I am the one who want her to cheat lol. What are you talking about?

Ana sent her photo anyways because we didnt get an option because MP dont gave us option..same with flashback scenes..those are forced scenes..Do you get an option in faithful path not to go topless completely for breast feeding??

As i said...You can think of whatever you want...I just said in the present time, whatever situation has been created between David/Ana..and the way Ana acted in the present storyline of part 1 and 2..is because of David action...Thats how the story has been created....First we see David choices...and then we see effect of david choices on Ana storyline where we can make which path to choose...Now few scenes are forced...Flashback scenes is always point of arguement in the past too ..that's different. I am talking about present storyline. You miss the whole point on the way how the story is made. and making illogical faithfulness as ideal ..that the guy should be attracted to only one girl ....he cannot get attracted to other girl in his whole life else it will be cheating...and same goes with girl else she will be slut....that's most illogical stuff ever heard..

 

[Couto25]

You did whrite a lot for someone who don't want to argue about it anymore
And i wonder who called Anna slut? It turn out that U had read this long sentence with lot precipitation "either you're a slut from the start and you can't stay with one partner (example){......... (Anna's situation)or your desire made you and that's exactly Anna's case she had a start before suckin' the soul out of Chris"

Now your even comparin' the Dance with Alexa with Anna's ling pics and even want to play the irony card. Irony you said?I wonder what would you think about your pregnant wife gettin' a massage from the neighbor? Rob has such great hands righ?

Lack of communication is on David's first Always? That's hilarous.... how many time Anna get gropped? By whoever he is as a Bonus with David best friend.......this is weird to say and I'm consious of it.... I'll just said it as an example since with it their would be no story. If Anna had talk none of that shit would of happenned Chris would of been unable to manipulate her....David fault is too be a beta (I'm based on the meetin' with pregnant Anna,Hank and David) and also his sexually weak......whith i'm sure have solutions.....

Those are flashback Grant and Rob storyline....it has been argued before that we didnt get option the way MP presented the story...I am the one who wants Ana to cheat..but it's not my fault that MP didnt provided options to stop rob or grant on flashback. that will always remain a question mark...Those flashback scenes are made most probably to show that Ana has her own sexual desire....and i agree to it....I said it was just a small part of the story...I am not saying thats Ana sexual desire is not there inside her...I am just saying there are several other factors too on why Ana is going away from David...and that's not just because she has sexual desire....But mostly in present storyline...What we see is...David action and it's effect on Ana...That's how MP wrote the story...if you would have joined this forum when MP was active...he would had answered all your question.

Again Ana sent pic with nighty first...lingerie second time ...but anyways you asked the reason why she sent and i told you the reason as per the story. Now you're comparing how many times ana got groped..etc..If you remove flashback scenes...I said there are many reason and MP told those reason if you scroll 700 pages before you will find it somewhere i am sure...we have discussed it alot back that time..like why there is no option to stop Rob moves or grant moves to Ana..etc...The story is desigened that way..PART 1 was David background story and his actions...part 2 was his effect on Ana storyline and Ana individual choice on whether we want to save marriage or not....and part 3 was supposed to be kinetic..but we still get choices...but you get an idea on what I wanna say...so whatever Ana reacted is based on how david treated her. Andeither way whether David is faithful or not, we can corrupt Ana ....that's what MP said..if we played David as faithful and understanding and Ana as passive or corrupt then it's uncertain path where Ana can be saved...but if David is not understanding or David corrupt then it's Ana full corruption path...and offcourse for faithful path both Ana/David would have to be faithful. Those are 3 paths that MP designed.

And suppose if someone's wife enjoy massage and touches..what's wrong in that...the whole profession is made for that. How can someone give massage without touching? And massage is meant to relax and to be enjoyed. So you wanna say whoever took massage is a cheater in this world lol.

Second is he didn't threw girl on David side because MP is not interested to develop David path...if you play corrupt path of David...he might end up with kendra too.