VN Ren'Py Completed A Petal Among Thorns [v6.0.2-RE] [Lockheart]

[MultiTrav]

Hy Dev (or Myra)
I really like your game. To be honest, I didn't play Avalon because trauma and coming to terms with the past like rape are not games for me. Sorry. You said that self-discovery and living conditions will play a role here. I do not have a problem with that. I just hope it doesn't get worse. I just fell in love with the game ... Well actually with Petal ... But somehow also with Xianne. God I love the sarcasm and cool humor of Xianne. But Petal is my angel
Thanks for Petal ...... and Xianne

 

[Myrabelle]

Hy Dev (or Myra)
I really like your game. To be honest, I didn't play Avalon because trauma and coming to terms with the past like rape are not games for me. Sorry. You said that self-discovery and living conditions will play a role here. I do not have a problem with that. I just hope it doesn't get worse. I just fell in love with the game ... Well actually with Petal ... But somehow also with Xianne. God I love the sarcasm and cool humor of Xianne. But Petal is my angel
Thanks for Petal ...... and Xianne

Hey Multitrav!

We're glad to hear you're enjoying A Petal Among Thorns. We learned a lot while developing Avalon, not least of which is that there are certain types of trauma that don't resonate well in this community. We're proud of Avalon but we wouldn't recreate a story quite like that again. A Petal Among Thorns will feature love interests that are all innocent, pure, and suffering very little or not at all from trauma. Instead, we're focusing the story more on watching Petal grow into herself.

I'm glad to hear you're enjoying Xianne's quirky personality. I've become rather fond of her since I found her in a cave. If you'd like to see her beginnings, we have a short story on itch.io that you can download for free to learn more about her.

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Thank you for playing and we hope to see you back for Chapter 3.

 

[Pudthumper]

That. Was. Awesome! Can't wait for chapter 3 and I am keen to check out Avalon now, as well.

 

[pantene]

Looks really good and if it has incest im in
Looking forward for chapter 3.
Btw, panties off soon please
Good job

 

[Daddy4u]

I was enjoying this but then the MC becomes a complete wet blanket and my hardon melts like a snowman in hell. Every time they're having fun the MC decides to ruin it and run away from what they want.

Not to mention the MC's whole premise of "We love each other and are totally attracted and want to have sex, so we'll mess around this weekend go home and you can cuck me by finding someone else to fuck." Even though the daughter has said she only wants him.

Fine don't normalize incest but it completely ruins any immersion when the MC keeps pearl clutching over how it's wrong and she should go find someone else to fuck.
I would be much happier with an MC with balls and without the very NTR idea that it's wrong so go find someone else. Maybe it's not normalizing incest but it's normalizing NTR it seems and it is an instant boner killer.

Let the girl be the pussy and not the guy is all I'm saying. The pearl clutching inner moralizing while having fun is so not reasonable with a guy with testosterone flowing and who is at least honest enough to say he wants to fuck her. Without that it would be an incredible game.


I know I'm pissing in the wind here, but a rewrite where the cuck desire is minimized and the girl is a little more the girl and the guy a little more the guy would make it a very different game. I could see it up until the daughter flat out told him how she felt and then wanted him to go further.


After that continuing to berate himself and pearl clutch about hurting her doesn't make any sense to me. I understand inner conflict, and not wanting to hurt her, but he's obviously not, so respect her wishes, treat her like an adult, love her and GIVE HER WHAT SHE WANTS!

With all of that out of the way, when the MC isn't being a cuck, the pacing of the teasing, the dialogue, particularly against the wall and in the kitchen is excellent. The daughter is super hot, and hot for daddy, the renders are excellent, the writing isn't at a third grade level and the story is without the NTR overtones, gripping and enjoyable. The daughters speech about how she wants to be his everything was surprisingly deep and meaningful (Something you don't often find in an AVN).

The game is like a diamond, covered in feces. An amazing game is in there, it's just really bogged down with unrealistic self flaggelation, pearl clutching, moralizing and an implicit sort of NTR vibe. I really want to like it, but I just can't enjoy it.

 

[Taellosse]

I would be much happier with an MC with balls and without the very NTR idea that it's wrong so go find someone else. Maybe it's not normalizing incest but it's normalizing NTR it seems and it is an instant boner killer

You need to learn what the hell the terms you throw around even mean before you get so self-righteous. NTR doesn't mean what you act like it means AT ALL, and there's no reasonable way you can accuse a game that only HAS 2 characters present for 99% of the published content thus far - the MC and the eponymous Petal - to be connected to a term like NTR which is predicated specifically on one's partner having sex with a 3rd party while one remains uninvolved.

APAT is about the interaction between 2 close characters, how it has thus far been a platonic - even familial - relationship, but the pair suddenly find themselves wanting intimacy they didn't before. The whole POINT of the story is to approach that experience the way 2 people who really care about each other would - wary of going too far and ruining the love they already share. So yes, if you're just looking for a badly-written porn scenario so you can get your rocks off, you've come to the wrong AVN. Which, given that the tags straight up tell you that teasing is a key feature while - at present - actual sex is NOT, you shouldn't be surprised. Besides that, the description makes it pretty clear that the MC is going to spend a lot of time worrying about consequences and possible repercussions. If you couldn't be bothered to pay attention to any of that, then whose fault is that?

 

[I am Gone]

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[mr.AwesomeGameTaste]

I didn't think I'd see someone calling a conflicted father telling his daughter to find someone else NTR,but I guess i shouldn't be surprised at this point.

 

[Daddy4u]

You need to learn what the hell the terms you throw around even mean before you get so self-righteous. NTR doesn't mean what you act like it means AT ALL, and there's no reasonable way you can accuse a game that only HAS 2 characters present for 99% of the published content thus far - the MC and the eponymous Petal - to be connected to a term like NTR which is predicated specifically on one's partner having sex with a 3rd party while one remains uninvolved.

APAT is about the interaction between 2 close characters, how it has thus far been a platonic - even familial - relationship, but the pair suddenly find themselves wanting intimacy they didn't before. The whole POINT of the story is to approach that experience the way 2 people who really care about each other would - wary of going too far and ruining the love they already share. So yes, if you're just looking for a badly-written porn scenario so you can get your rocks off, you've come to the wrong AVN. Which, given that the tags straight up tell you that teasing is a key feature while - at present - actual sex is NOT, you shouldn't be surprised. Besides that, the description makes it pretty clear that the MC is going to spend a lot of time worrying about consequences and possible repercussions. If you couldn't be bothered to pay attention to any of that, then whose fault is that?

I specifically said the pacing was good I just expected it to come from the daughter. But the daughter is randy and ready to go the father is busy moralizing and practicing self flagellation about how it's wrong instead of being a man. She's given the green light to continue and he's the one that stops it. The teasing is great I like the teasing it could continue for a while it just couldn't continue for a while for me with such a conflicted pearl clutching MC.
The daughter was very clear right from the beginning what she wants so no I don't want to badly written porn I want a well-written AVN and most of the writing is fantastic the pacing is great the teasing is great, the dialogue is great, the sex scenes gear up or sexy scenes gear up to be absolutely fantastic and very hot and then a wet blanket is thrown on them and it's an instant boner killer. The teasing is fine continue to tease just don't do it in such a way that absolutely kills the immersion for people who are used to dating 18 yo who give their approval and want to get it on and so you do.

 

[Sir Anal]

Always so talented these games!
And I prefer this one to Avalon.
Just a matter of feeling.
As with some authors or composers, even if you like them, there are things you prefer.
But whatever you do, dev, it will surely be worth it

 

[Taellosse]

the father is busy moralizing and practicing self flagellation about how it's wrong instead of being a man.

Your definition of "being a man" needs work, if you think the way to act like one is to jump the bones of anyone who doesn't explicitly object.

Again, whether you want to buy into the incest angle or not, the point of this story is to dramatize a relationship of mutual love between a much older man in a position of authority over a young woman, when that love develops a sexual layer. Any decent man in such a position who actually does care about the young woman in his charge SHOULD worry about the possible consequences of physical intimacy with her. Wish-fulfillment porn plots notwithstanding, the only way such a sexual relationship CAN develop without also being creepy (at minimum) is if the woman is eager while the older man is hesitant. To behave in any other way in such a situation would be to prove oneself unworthy of the affection being offered.

 

[Exarp Omega]

I almost never speak on this forum unless I really want to express my opinion. This has only happened once before, until I tried this game.

I like the story and it's depth, and the pace makes complete sense to me. It is possibly the most realistic it can get between two people in their situation that I can imagine. However, I feel that the male lead's reluctance is a little bit redundant. I would understand it if there were really good reasons or some strong conviction, but by his own admission, he doesn't know what the implications for the future will be. Is his strongest conviction truly "people say so, so there must be a reason, right? Let's fight this with all my heart then." And he does the same vague reasoning at every corner. I also think that promising to be equals for the week, only to say "but I'm the responsible one and my rules have more weight" doesn't sit right with me, especially when just a bit earlier in the story something gets mentioned about respect and power balance.

Like I said, I understand it completely if he himself has strong convictions and beliefs, but the way things are now... it really annoys me and I really want to like it completely. The way she pushes him into a compromise is beautiful and I would like to keep the atmosphere as it is, but please, do something about his motives or lack thereof. If has the firm believe to not give in, but she makes his heart melt and chips away at his resolve, I can be happy with it.

I hope you will take this into consideration, as it would make a great story even better, perhaps even close to perfection.
Also, it is rare that I want to support a game and it's developer, and it surprises me that I am not able to this time.
I would really like to support this game, even if it's just by buying a coffee or something.

I can't wait to see what the future holds.

 

[Ogre]

One of these days someone is going to make a game about Olympic ski jumping and some guy is going to rush in and complain about NTR. And then the same handful of posters will upvote his comment.

 

[Daddy4u]

Your definition of "being a man" needs work, if you think the way to act like one is to jump the bones of anyone who doesn't explicitly object.

Again, whether you want to buy into the incest angle or not, the point of this story is to dramatize a relationship of mutual love between a much older man in a position of authority over a young woman, when that love develops a sexual layer. Any decent man in such a position who actually does care about the young woman in his charge SHOULD worry about the possible consequences of physical intimacy with her. Wish-fulfillment porn plots notwithstanding, the only way such a sexual relationship CAN develop without also being creepy (at minimum) is if the woman is eager while the older man is hesitant. To behave in any other way in such a situation would be to prove oneself unworthy of the affection being offered.

Wow there is so much repression, sociwtal programming, what religious hangups probably bouncing around in your head that I feel pretty bad. Are you able to sleep at night or do you just sit up and feel bad for yourself for enjoying porn games because that's wrong too? Maybe masturbation is wrong? I don't know what year you're living in or how old you are maybe a Jewish grandma? But older younger relationships are pretty mainstream now. There's a whole ddlg dynamic going on maybe you've heard of it? Big big big big following lots of girls into it lots of guys into it.

Yeah it is no longer 1950 older younger relationships are not creepy their mainstream the girls love it. The guys love it I can testify to that. Girls have Daddy issues they want older men because we know how to take care of them. That's not creepy that's just normal. Sometimes those relationships are straight sex too? Can you believe it sometimes the girls just want the d. Should you sit around moralizing about how that's wrong and contemplate your effect on their lives in those situations? But I expect you probably grew up in some religious fundamentalist house where perceived morality and your thoughts are really important because you go to hell or something? Anyways wow do I feel bad for you one day I hope you break out of those self-imposed repressive chains and can enjoy yourself.

Oh and I have to say I appreciate the poster who talked about how the MC's very wishy-washy nonspecific qualms about the relationship even though the girl wants it and his best argument is people say it's wrong? I'll tell you what if you fix that then I wouldn't really bitch about it but as it is it's really grading to people who don't think that God is watching their every move or what society says.

 

[Crow Armbrust]

THX

 

[mr.AwesomeGameTaste]

Wow there is so much repression, sociwtal programming, what religious hangups probably bouncing around in your head that I feel pretty bad. Are you able to sleep at night or do you just sit up and feel bad for yourself for enjoying porn games because that's wrong too? Maybe masturbation is wrong? I don't know what year you're living in or how old you are maybe a Jewish grandma? But older younger relationships are pretty mainstream now. There's a whole ddlg dynamic going on maybe you've heard of it? Big big big big following lots of girls into it lots of guys into it.

Yeah it is no longer 1950 older younger relationships are not creepy their mainstream the girls love it. The guys love it I can testify to that. Girls have Daddy issues they want older men because we know how to take care of them. That's not creepy that's just normal. Sometimes those relationships are straight sex too? Can you believe it sometimes the girls just want the d. Should you sit around moralizing about how that's wrong and contemplate your effect on their lives in those situations? But I expect you probably grew up in some religious fundamentalist house where perceived morality and your thoughts are really important because you go to hell or something? Anyways wow do I feel bad for you one day I hope you break out of those self-imposed repressive chains and can enjoy yourself.

Oh and I have to say I appreciate the poster who talked about how the MC's very wishy-washy nonspecific qualms about the relationship even though the girl wants it and his best argument is people say it's wrong? I'll tell you what if you fix that then I wouldn't really bitch about it but as it is it's really grading to people who don't think that God is watching their every move or what society says.

You're missing the point entirely,no one here says that older/younger relationships are bad,or that casual sex between younger and older people is wrong.No one is preaching,no one is a religious zealot here ( I don't really know why would you even bring that up in the adult games forum but alright). The thing that matters is the relationship that they have. Whether you want it to be incest,guardian/ward or whatever else,the fact that the girl wants it is not enough,because even if she wants it now,it could affect their relationship,she could regret it later. He is responsible for her,he wants to maintain their platonic feelings above everything else,that should be clear. If Petal was a random 18 yo and she would come to mc in the club and said she wanted to fuck,that's cool,mc would be free to do this without remorse,because he is not that close to her,and don't have any emotional responsibility for her well being. So as I said she could regret it,and If it's a person who was not previously in deep,emotional relationship with mc,you can treat her like an adult,say "You wanted it,you made a mistake,live and learn from it'',but when It's someone close to you,you don't want them to suffer,and you don't want your relationship with them destroyed,even if they are at fault,even if they made that choice.

 

[Daddy4u]

You're missing the point entirely,no one here says that older/younger relationships are bad,or that casual sex between younger and older people is wrong.No one is preaching,no one is a religious zealot here ( I don't really know why would you even bring that up in the adult games forum but alright). The thing that matters is the relationship that they have. Whether you want it to be incest,guardian/ward or whatever else,the fact that the girl wants it is not enough,because even if she wants it now,it could affect their relationship,she could regret it later. He is responsible for her,he wants to maintain their platonic feelings above everything else,that should be clear. If Petal was a random 18 yo and she would come to mc in the club and said she wanted to fuck,that's cool,mc would be free to do this without remorse,because he is not that close to her,and don't have any emotional responsibility for her well being. So as I said she could regret it,and If it's a person who was not previously in deep,emotional relationship with mc,you can treat her like an adult,say "You wanted it,you made a mistake,live and learn from it'',but when It's someone close to you,you don't want them to suffer,and you don't want your relationship with them destroyed,even if they are at fault,even if they made that choice.

No you don't want to hurt someone you're involved with but she's either an adult in which case you should respect her agency and either give her what she wants or walk away. Or she's a child in which case then you're already crossing a line so take that however you want

If she's 18 then she's old enough to die and kill people in war, respect her. But the MC doesn't respect her AND is all torn up with ridiculous self flaggelating moral quandries that simply ignore her agency AND say you don't trust her judgement, and you're not that into her.

Yes ive had a similar IRL situation and I was hesitant for as long as it took for the girl to make it clear what she wanted. Once she did I respected her enough to believe her and enjoy ourselves.

The MC however doesn't trust her, doesn't have any real moral objections to such a horrible relationship, has already said he wants to bone her, but of course can't trust her to make her own decisions.

But he just covers that in self obsessed pseudo moral arguments all while simply tormenting both of them AND has said she should go find someone else which is ridiculous. If you're that not into her don't lead her on. She's made it clear she's not interested just in the d, she wants the whole package. So then either shit or get off the pot.

And I bring up religious hangups because I'm American and most Americans have religiously imposed moral Hang-Ups about sex and masturbation and anything that leads to enjoying your body so it's a fair assumption.

There's just so many things wrong with the reasoning behind the MC's wiffle waffling, self flagellation and disrespect of the girls agency. The pacing is fine, but instead of all this internal strife tell her waiting for sex is way hotter so let's tease and fool around for a while so it's more fun. Or even better instead of relegating her to just a weekend sex object, tell her you're in but you want to take it slow because you have all the time in the world. then the internal quandary becomes less wishy-washy and more about boy it's going to be awesome if I wait longer but oh my God this is so tempting.

But instead, the MC disrespects her own agency her ability to make her own decisions and relegates her to simply a weekend fling by telling her let's have fun this weekend but then you have to go find someone else because I'm not interested in a real romantic relationship, I really just want to get jiggy this weekend. Then throws an instant wet blanket in any enjoyable situation by blaming her for going to far, ignoring his arbitrary rules, and his incessant internal mental masturbation.

 

[Taellosse]

However, I feel that the male lead's reluctance is a little bit redundant. I would understand it if there were really good reasons or some strong conviction, but by his own admission, he doesn't know what the implications for the future will be.

I think you're misinterpreting what that statement is meant to convey. He's saying this is a big deal, and the implications for the future if they go down this road are impossible to predict. The incest taboo is a major one in Western society, especially among immediate family members. Violating it and being discovered can quite literally ruin the lives of everyone involved, even tangentially, and that's without considering the emotional and psychological risks to Petal and MC if the relationship itself goes sideways. He's saying that even if there aren't any essential moral problems with a father and daughter having a consensual sexual relationship (a matter for debate all it'sown), there are still a LOT of potential pitfalls, and all those risks scare him.

 

[Taellosse]

Wow there is so much repression, sociwtal programming, what religious hangups probably bouncing around in your head that I feel pretty bad. Are you able to sleep at night or do you just sit up and feel bad for yourself for enjoying porn games because that's wrong too? Maybe masturbation is wrong? I don't know what year you're living in or how old you are maybe a Jewish grandma? But older younger relationships are pretty mainstream now. There's a whole ddlg dynamic going on maybe you've heard of it? Big big big big following lots of girls into it lots of guys into it.

Yeah it is no longer 1950 older younger relationships are not creepy their mainstream the girls love it. The guys love it I can testify to that. Girls have Daddy issues they want older men because we know how to take care of them. That's not creepy that's just normal. Sometimes those relationships are straight sex too? Can you believe it sometimes the girls just want the d. Should you sit around moralizing about how that's wrong and contemplate your effect on their lives in those situations? But I expect you probably grew up in some religious fundamentalist house where perceived morality and your thoughts are really important because you go to hell or something? Anyways wow do I feel bad for you one day I hope you break out of those self-imposed repressive chains and can enjoy yourself.

Oh and I have to say I appreciate the poster who talked about how the MC's very wishy-washy nonspecific qualms about the relationship even though the girl wants it and his best argument is people say it's wrong? I'll tell you what if you fix that then I wouldn't really bitch about it but as it is it's really grading to people who don't think that God is watching their every move or what society says.

For a moment there, I'll admit you left me speechless. Not because your argument was well reasoned, or your attempted insults hurt, but just because you're so incredibly off-base that it's simply stunning.

My upbringing was just about as far away from "religious fundamentalist" as it's possible to be. The only reason I don't refer to myself as an atheist is those people are too fanatical of their own position. I concern myself with how other people will respond to my actions because I have this thing called "basic human empathy." I realize it's not something highly valued by psychopaths, but I like it all the same, and find it useful in my daily life.

And lastly, I honestly didn't think I needed to make this more explicit, but apparently you're having some trouble with the concept, so I guess I'd better: porn, be it games, pictures, movies, writing, comics, or whatever is NOT REAL. Even when it's photographs and film it's only vaguely related to reality. So making porn from made-up pictures, whether those are digital or handmade, involves no ACTUAL PEOPLE. Therefore making or viewing such porn cannot possibly be "wrong" in itself because no one is harmed (and quite frankly any definition of "wrong" that doesn't have, at bottom, "harmful to others" is a meaning founded on nonsense). So you're free to mess around with whatever porn turns you on, and so am I (short of anything that involves real-life children or people actually being made to do things against their wills). But the corollary of that fact is that some - probably a lot - of the porn out there is Not Going To Be For You, and you just need to make your peace with that. Clearly, for whatever reason inside your own disturbed brain, depictions of intimate relationships with emotional verisimilitude are a part of the Not For You category. I'm sorry you grew up to have a personality disorder, but I can't really help you with that.

 

[Pcdump]

Thank you for sharing this update, best of luck to the dev!
Love the game story and specially the girl.
Keep up the good work.