VN Ren'Py Completed A Promise Best Left Unkept [Bonus S2 Ep 9-11] [Hangover Cat]

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madelein-00 said:
so you never get to fuck aya?
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Not yet. That path won't be added for a while. HC is going to have to go back and change a lot of things in the earlier story to get that path finished, and as far as I know, they are focused on Laura endings at the moment. Once the Laura stuff is done, then we'll get to see the Aya content.
 
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First of all i like this game... specially good its a NTR game i found ..... but ... dev (hangover cat) every you think of giving an option play as bad character(to us) ... i mean from his perspective .... i would and i am pretty sure others will also love that ( no need it for now but maybe after some time or in the end of the game maybe in final update ... its totally up to u ) .... one more thing .... when i see that bad guy ... enjoying ... i want to kill him ..(i know i am kind of stupid its cus over flow of emotions but ..... ) .... so i want him to see feeling despair .... or maybe pain ...... (like lossing his job or like maybe got urested or some other things ) .**Sorry for my spelling mistakes and bad grammar or for word missing**
 
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AlphaDlaW said:
I would have to disagree with you there. what makes ntr great is both watching the girl fall in love/being taken by another man but also seeing the mc's reaction to it. that reaction being anything from a gullible idiot who never finds out to a heart broken man who caught/saw her in the act. the mc and their role in the story is very important and his suffering is extremely vital to tell a good ntr. as for harry gutting Luca, that part is unneeded.
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i hate seeing ... the bad guy enjoying i... want to him to feel some kind of regret or despair .... but i cant non of the future path ... are for revenge
 
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mzer0 said:
(Mods will probably delete this for off-topic, but whatever.)

Both of you are missing the point.




...Yes, and that cut off is whether or not the FMC is stolen from the MC. The MC's reaction to her being stolen is irrelevant to whether or not the story is catagoriezed as NTR.




This is not required for a story to be categorized as NTR. Only the FMC's corruption and betrayal are required.



This is not required for a story to be categorized as NTR. Only the FMC's corruption and betrayal are required.




This is not required for a story to be categorized as NTR. Only the FMC's corruption and betrayal are required.




The exact opposite, actually. I'll prove it right now.

Let's re-imagine 'A Promise Best Left Unkept' in two ways:
A version focusing on what you say is important for an NTR story, and a version focusing on what I say is important for an NTR story.

Terix3's Version of 'A Promise Best Left Unkept':
- Laura starts getting blackmailed and having sex with Luca behind Harry's back.
- In spite of herself, she comes to find that the sex is very arousing in a dark way and starts getting off on the idea of Harry catching her in the act. Something she regrets after the sex is over.
- In order to hide her deeds from Harry, she comes up with lie after lie, causing Harry to doubt himself as he wonders about her strange behavior.
- Harry either remains oblivious, or finds out and has a meltdown.
- However, Laura is never corrupted by Luca. She never gives in to his mind games. She never doubts Harry or thinks poorly of him. Her love for him remains intact and untarnished for the entirety of the story and, at the end, she returns to him ready to continue the relationship as a faithful partner.


My Version of 'A Promise Best Left Unkept':
- Laura starts getting blackmailed and having sex with Luca behind Harry's back.
- She is never shown to get off on the idea of being caught; she just really likes the sex itself.
- She and Luca do such a good job of keeping things hidden from Harry that she never has to lie about anything. Harry notices nothing, and is suspicious of nothing.
- In fact, Harry barely ever shows up in my version of the story and is mostly only referenced in dialogue between Laura and Luca.
- Laura is initially faithful to Harry and guilt-ridden over her actions but, over time, she begins to change. Luca's influence causes her to re-evaluate her relationship with Harry. Even her love for him. The things she doesn't like about Harry become bigger in her mind while the things she used to like begin to annoy her. This goes on until, finally, she stops caring about Harry and completely falls for Luca. She then breaks up with Harry via text message and the story ends with her riding Luca's cock in ecstasy.


Do you see the differnce? Your version of the story has all the things you listed as important, but it could hardly be considered NTR since there is no corruption/betrayal. It's barely even cheating; Laura never falls so it's just blackmail and rape from beginning to end.

My version lacks everything you listed, but it still has corruption and betrayal and that's all it needs to make it NTR. It's definitely not as interesting or impactful, but it's still NTR.
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Terix3's Version of 'A Promise Best Left Unkept' ........ in this part if ....i were make sure to take full on revenge .... on that luca ... making him feeling despair .... like kicking him out of the job(maybe bank courrepting him) ... giving pills and making his dick smalller then ever（little gore -- cutting of his dick）..... or some other way to hurt maybe to feel pain ......(all this is my stupid imagination) ........ still not ganna stay with lura anymore ... thats for sure .... insted .. staring a new life
 
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It is a natural impulse to want to see Luca or even Laura suffer consequences for their actions. That is basic catharsis from Aristotle's Poetics. Emotionally taking a purgative piss after the climax. However, we have to realize that they do suffer the consequences of their actions. They are inflicted with each other, a toxic relationship that eventually will ruin them both. They will inevitably be hoist with their own petard and Harry shouldn't bother to get in their way when they are making a mistake. They deserve each other and they will destroy each other. That's the only fitting justice that could possibly come out of this greasy donkey show.
 
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mzer0 said:
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Do you see the differnce? Your version of the story has all the things you listed as important, but it could hardly be considered NTR since there is no corruption/betrayal. It's barely even cheating; Laura never falls so it's just blackmail and rape from beginning to end.

My version lacks everything you listed, but it still has corruption and betrayal and that's all it needs to make it NTR. It's definitely not as interesting or impactful, but it's still NTR.
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I'm pretty sure that in vndb, putting aside the variations of NTR (netorase, netorare, netori) there were types of NTR: A, B and C.
A was basically cheating (SO consents the cheating from the beginning), B was corruption (SO rejects but eventually consents) and C was rape or blackmail until the end (no consent, ever).


So, based on this distinction, in this game the normal route would fall into the Netorare type B, while Terix3 version would be Netorare type C.
 
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DCMAN said:
I'm pretty sure that in vndb, putting aside the variations of NTR (netorase, netorare, netori) there were types of NTR: A, B and C.
A was basically cheating (SO consents the cheating from the beginning), B was corruption (SO rejects but eventually consents) and C was rape or blackmail until the end (no consent, ever).


So, based on this distinction, in this game the normal route would fall into the Netorare type B, while Terix3 version would be Netorare type C.
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Not that I accept VNDB as an authority on NTR (is there such a thing?), but you're right. If we go by their definition, then Terix3's version of the story becomes a type of NTR.

The problem I have with the inclusion of 'Netorare Type C' is that it makes the entire genre vague. With it, you can safely classify a completely vanilla story as NTR as long as the MC has to watch the FMC get raped at some point.

For example:

- Newly wed couple is madly in love and planning for the future.
- Oh no, bad guy shows up and rapes FMC in front of MC.
- FMC hates every second of it. She has unwanted orgasms but the pleasure only serves to add to her torment.
- Bad guy goes away or gets caught.
- Newlywed couple rebuilds and lives happily ever after.

This is NTR? This belongs in the genre based on a Japanese word that roughly/literally translates into "taken away by sleeping with"?

...Fine.


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Funnily enough, If you go to VNDB and sort by tag, you'll find that 'Netorare Type C' is in the minority when it comes to the number of titles with the tag.
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    (Consensual cheating) - 183 titles
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    (Starts as forced, ends as consensual) - 227 titles
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    (Only forced, FMC is never stolen.) 85 - titles
Taking 'Netorare Type A' and 'Netorare Type B' together, there are almost 5 times as many NTR titles on that site that actually result in the FMC being stolen. 'Netorare Type C' is just miscatagorized rape. It doesn't belong under the umbrella of NTR.
 
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mzer0 said:
Not that I accept VNDB as an authority on NTR (is there such a thing?), but you're right. If we go by their definition, then Terix3's version of the story becomes a type of NTR.

The problem I have with the inclusion of 'Netorare Type C' is that it makes the entire genre vague. With it, you can safely classify a completely vanilla story as NTR as long as the MC has to watch the FMC get raped at some point.

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Funnily enough, If you go to VNDB and sort by tag, you'll find that 'Netorare Type C' is in the minority when it comes to the number of titles with the tag.
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    (Consensual cheating) - 183 titles
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    (Starts as forced, ends as consensual) - 227 titles
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    (Only forced, FMC is never stolen.) 85 - titles
Taking 'Netorare Type A' and 'Netorare Type B' together, there are almost 5 times as many NTR titles on that site that actually result in the FMC being stolen. 'Netorare Type C' is just miscatagorized rape. It doesn't belong under the umbrella of NTR.
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Normally good/interesting stories are those where the characters underwent some kind of transformation, which is why I believe type B is the most popular. Though that's only my personal guess and I would agree that Type C is kinda an obscure tag. I would also add that Type A doesn't belong to NTR and should be considered Cheating rather than a subcategory of Netorare.

It's hard to define what constitutes a legitimate authority specially nowadays, but I think vndb is a better source than others considering how much time that site has been online and the amount of information it handles. I'm not saying its the only one, but it's better than nothing for establishing some common ground from which to have a discussion.

I do share your sentiment regarding how broad their definition of NTR is.
Pick any vanilla hentai/porn story, any. Add a third party who is also interested in the SO and tell the story from his/her POV. Congratulations, now we have a NTR story...
...really?

To be honest, to me what makes APBLU a NTR is how Laura falls for Luca despite him being the complete opposite of Harry personality wise, which ends up also transforming her personality. The ending is irrelevant as long as it doesn't involve returning to the status quo, which is why I think an ending of Harry moving on is alright to me.

On the other hand, Laura returning to Harry would only be possible if it were portrayed in a separate game or story with Harry's and Luca's roles inverted, which would mean that Harry also underwent some kind of transformation in order to persuade Laura to return to him and dump Luca.
 
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reinyakuragi said:
anyone can tell me the every ending spoiler to me?
i don't like ntr, but if one of it has good ending, i don't mind
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Yes, there is going to be a good ending, but we probably won't get to it until early next year.

Come back then.
 
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the next route, the hero route is supposed to be around 4-5 updates- usually it means 4-5 months and it has 2 alts, my impression (from the choices mc will take that got revealed) is that one of the 2 alternate ending will end good and the fallen one will be a bad ending.
after the hero ending I'm pretty surebit wasn't decided yet if the good ending or aya ending will be adapted after
 
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What are the candidates for the bonus poll scene? And wich is winning? Ok maybe not that much but what are the conditions and is it goignt o be for a future route or a bonus to the current storyline?
 
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