VN Ren'Py Completed A Promise Best Left Unkept [Bonus S2 Ep 9-11] [Hangover Cat]

[Y.Gromov]

No, the very testimony to Harry not understanding Laura is the titular promise. The difference is that while previously Laura was fine with it as she wanted to become the mask she was wearing, under Luca influence that mask become unbearable and she needed Harry to understand her.
Wanting Harry to realize he is getting cucked is something totally different from understanding Laura. Understanding Laura would be coming at the start when first Luca shows up and telling her that he doesn't care about the job but her and if she sees any sign of Luca ill intentions they need to quit the job.

Work for that it work - it can and often does not like the majority - what is there to understand?
Luca fucked Laura - Laura walks all sad, realizing that this is not their last time. Harry doesn't see it. Well, or he sees, but noneas have no way to influence it! Then Luca asked her - Well, Harry didn't even notice that you had changed? He doesn't understand what a real woman needs!? He doesn't understand you!?
Luca planted in her a seed of doubt in Harry, gradually turning her into a whore and corrupting her! After almost every act of sex, or even during time - he asks her to think badly about Harry and talk nasty things about him! The grain sprouts!!! And Laura is no longer herself, she is led by Luka, she thinks how he wants and does whatever he wants!
Work is a minuscule aspect! Harry doesn't understand her in this job situation because Laura never told him anything about it!
And Luka has not only have a "magical" dick, but also a sharp nose for Laura's problems.
I say it's just an NTR cliché!

 

[mommysboiii]

aya cuddle season coming

 

[GiGiGus ニクヤセベ!]

It's about Harry not understanding Laura. Luca may have magic dick as you would expect in ntr game but that is not enough to break Laura. Laura only breaks when she no longer can believe in Harry.

She literally yells in the phone that Harry is a weakling while being fucked by Luca in the hotel, lmao, what are you talking about. Laura is just a broken, probably unrepairable bitch, she always was like that, from the beginning, ignoring Harry's feelings, being selfish and all that. Harry had to ask her out for two years, that says something about their relationship too. And the way she handled this all blackmail situation is a mess. There were some charm to that, you know, somewhat bitchy GF in a NTR game. Still, back to Aya. She is probably too a broken person, but her inner rod seems way stronger than Luca's Magick Cock™ and snapping it will mean massive BOOM sound and after effects. She's presented as a hard-to-corrupt girl. So, we're expecting it to be true. It's just that okay, we've got accustomed to Laura's ways, but Aya is a different case. We've been expecting it to be somewhat unique, not this. Again, third time, it's not that we're upset with Aya's corruption, it's the way it's been done.

 

[ZUBiDAM]

Do you remember how Laura was self-confident about having sex with Luca because she normally had hard time cuming ? My bet something similar happened to Aya and she is crying because she lost

have you seen the latest preview? it seems more likely after seeing it, i personally don't recommend seeing it

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[ZUBiDAM]

She literally yells in the phone that Harry is a weakling while being fucked by Luca in the hotel, lmao, what are you talking about. Laura is just a broken, probably unrepairable bitch, she always was like that, from the beginning, ignoring Harry's feelings, being selfish and all that. Harry had to ask her out for two years, that says something about their relationship too. And the way she handled this all blackmail situation is a mess. There were some charm to that, you know, somewhat bitchy GF in a NTR game. Still, back to Aya. She is probably too a broken person, but her inner rod seems way stronger than Luca's Magick Cock™ and snapping it will mean massive BOOM sound and after effects. She's presented as a hard-to-corrupt girl. So, we're expecting it to be true. It's just that okay, we've got accustomed to Laura's ways, but Aya is a different case. We've been expecting it to be somewhat unique, not this. Again, third time, it's not that we're upset with Aya's corruption, it's the way it's been done.

oh so you have already seen aya corruption in all routes, can you share the full game or even the next update?

 

[Traveroro]

This is not role playing game where you expect the game to cover variety of options one may chose to solve a situation. This is ntr game with clear intention on satisfying various ways people enjoy ntr, that what the routes are for.

Reverse ntr (mc cheating on wife) is absolutely within the umbrella of ways in which people enjoy ntr, and it's in fact common to have routes like that in the genre. This game in particular almost begs for it given the protagonist is split between two women and the story baits at every turn that there will be a chance to choose Aya over Laura eventually. So there's both narrative pretext and genre pretext for these options.

Even if we are talking about just Luca losing in general, It's not as if the game has to abide to some sacred arbitrary rule like ''harry shall never break his cuckoldry''. In the end It's made to be enjoyed by those who play it. If there's a good portion of players feeling like the dynamic of the story has grown stale and wanting something fresh, I don't see what's the issue in adding that.

 

[GiGiGus ニクヤセベ!]

oh so you have already seen aya corruption in all routes, can you share the full game or even the next update?

My brother in Christ, what you don't understand in the word "expectation"? The damage has been done, whatever comes after this cannot redeem the fact that HC has played dirty card.

 

[lkjhgfdfghjkl]

Reverse ntr (mc cheating on wife) is absolutely within the umbrella of ways in which people enjoy ntr, and it's in fact common to have routes like that in the genre. This game in particular almost begs for it given the protagonist is split between two women and the story baits at every turn that there will be a chance to choose Aya over Laura eventually. So there's both narrative pretext and genre pretext for these options.

The structure of this game in particular begs that Harry must be kept ignorant of the full story until he is made aware. Reverse NTR is awkward to implement given the perspective selection you make at the start

 

[Terix3]

Reverse ntr (mc cheating on wife) is absolutely within the umbrella of ways in which people enjoy ntr, and it's in fact common to have routes like that in the genre. This game in particular almost begs for it given the protagonist is split between two women and the story baits at every turn that there will be a chance to choose Aya over Laura eventually. So there's both narrative pretext and genre pretext for these options.

Even if we are talking about just Luca losing in general, It's not as if the game has to abide to some sacred arbitrary rule like ''harry shall never break his cuckoldry''. In the end It's made to be enjoyed by those who play it. If there's a good portion of players feeling like the dynamic of the story has grown stale and wanting something fresh, I don't see what's the issue in adding that.

Maybe it is under ntr umbrella but it has very different appeal, it is questionable whatever many people want it.
Also the game does need to abide the built up characters. Harry is simply not a person that would cheat.
I think it is better to make new game rather than trying to fit in every possible aspect of NTR. into one as the subsequent endings will no matter what feel less meaningful and get compared against the rest. I think 3-4 endings is plenty for NTR title.

 

[ZUBiDAM]

Reverse ntr (mc cheating on wife) is absolutely within the umbrella of ways in which people enjoy ntr, and it's in fact common to have routes like that in the genre. This game in particular almost begs for it given the protagonist is split between two women and the story baits at every turn that there will be a chance to choose Aya over Laura eventually. So there's both narrative pretext and genre pretext for these options.

Even if we are talking about just Luca losing in general, It's not as if the game has to abide to some sacred arbitrary rule like ''harry shall never break his cuckoldry''. In the end It's made to be enjoyed by those who play it. If there's a good portion of players feeling like the dynamic of the story has grown stale and wanting something fresh, I don't see what's the issue in adding that.

what would luca lose in reverse ntr, nobody said there wouldn't be, it's probably gonna be unavoidable in aya path but you shouldn't expect luca to become a cuck or Harry's sissy slut just because of this "karma" bullshit.
remember all routes start from the first choice, luca is already set on destroying Harry's life and spirit.
Laura is already being blackmailed by luca, and harry is clueless.
so there won't be a harem virgin ending where harry takes the virginity of all the girls and nobody touches them.
for the good ending in laura route, i think aya helping laura take out luca might be a good option.

 

[mzer0]

Reverse ntr (mc cheating on wife) is absolutely within the umbrella of ways in which people enjoy ntr, and it's in fact common to have routes like that in the genre. This game in particular almost begs for it given the protagonist is split between two women and the story baits at every turn that there will be a chance to choose Aya over Laura eventually. So there's both narrative pretext and genre pretext for these options.

Even if we are talking about just Luca losing in general, It's not as if the game has to abide to some sacred arbitrary rule like ''harry shall never break his cuckoldry''. In the end It's made to be enjoyed by those who play it. If there's a good portion of players feeling like the dynamic of the story has grown stale and wanting something fresh, I don't see what's the issue in adding that.

Whether he admits it or not, this is exactly what he believes. However, at this point, I see Harry as more of a plot device than a character; he will become whatever he needs to become in order to suit the story.

X for doubt.

Yes, there are many in the community who enjoy seeing a little Karma every now and then in between seeing the MC get cucked. You must be new.

But anyway the fundamental problem is not the way people enjoy the game but when they claim the game is bad because it doesn't appease to what they want to see. "It has all those routes it must have this one as well!"

Neither I, nor the person you were responding to said that the absence of 'karma' made the story 'bad'. Do you know what a strawman is?
No...Of course you don't. Carry on.

 

[Deleted member 4937290]

have you seen the latest preview? it seems more likely after seeing it, i personally don't recommend seeing it

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what's the preview? lmao

 

[ZUBiDAM]

Maybe it is under ntr umbrella but it has very different appeal, it is questionable whatever many people want it.
Also the game does need to abide the built up characters. Harry is simply not a person that would cheat.
I think it is better to make new game rather than trying to fit in every possible aspect of NTR. into one as the subsequent endings will no matter what feel less meaningful and get compared against the rest. I think 3-4 endings is plenty for NTR title.

i don't think it's gonna be Harry actively cheating on laura at the start, but aya seducing him so he wouldn't be able to resist, i mean who would be able resist against Aya's charm?

 

[Terix3]

Neither I, nor the person you were responding to said that the absence of 'karma' made the story 'bad'. Do you know what a strawman is?
No...Of course you don't. Carry on.

The post you quoted originally was answering to this:

I assume what people are trying to say with ''karma'' is that seeing someone perpetually lose and someone else perpetually win feels unsatisfying. We have a tendency to root for underdogs, and to get tired of predictable outcomes, regardless of how moral that is.
Maybe you can say he signed to be a perpetual loser the moment he booted a ntr game, but I don't think it's unreasonable to expect a game with so many routes to have at least one in which the mc wins.

This person is assuming what people mean by karma and likewise I'm addressing in what context people are using karma. It has nothing to do with you, you just jumped in apparently without investigating the context. Bad detective!

Yes, there are many in the community who enjoy seeing a little Karma every now and then in between seeing the MC get cucked. You must be new.

I don't think people play NTR games for karma ending. Sure some cleaning at the end is nice but is extra, but people wanting that arn't those that are pushing for "justice for Harry".

i don't think it's gonna be Harry actively cheating on laura at the start, but aya seducing him so he wouldn't be able to resist, i mean who would be able resist against Aya's charm?

Harry would come clean next time he talks with Laura. If he would be forced to keep it secret it would destroy him no less than being cucked.

 

[Traveroro]

what would luca lose in reverse ntr

Considering he seems to be going after Laura and Aya more to torture Harry than actual libido, I say Harry being happy and uncucked with Aya is a loss for Luca.

you shouldn't expect luca to become a cuck or Harry's sissy slut just because of this "karma" bullshit.

I don't think anybody proposed or thought such thing. Would assume people calling for a happy ending want it to be in a way that fits the logic of the story.

Also the game does need to abide the built up characters. Harry is simply not a person that would cheat.

So Aya and Laura getting corrupted by Luca can always be rhetorically justified while Harry simply getting fed up with Laura and going with Aya cannot?

Maybe it is under ntr umbrella but it has very different appeal, it is questionable whatever many people want it.
I think it is better to make new game rather than trying to fit in every possible aspect of NTR. into one as the subsequent endings will no matter what feel less meaningful and get compared against the rest. I think 3-4 endings is plenty for NTR title.

If this thread is any indiciation I would say plenty of people want it. And it's not like I'm proposing to fit every possible ntr route, a route in which Harry does with Aya is something the story clearly makes you expect, it's not some random out of left field request. The pretext is there, the build up is there, the public feedback is there.

Personally I'm happy to just have any Aya content, ntr included, since I like her better and Laura is saturated. But I just think an outcome in which Harry ends up with her would feel more satisfying and make more sense for the game at this point in development, for reasons already mentioned.

 

[GiGiGus ニクヤセベ!]

So Aya and Laura getting corrupted by Luca can always be rhetorically justified while Harry simply getting fed up with Laura and going with Aya cannot?

I mean, I get their point. This game is all about NTR and will pursue its purpose by whatever means necessary, I agree. But in this case it becomes ridiculously stupid, as well as some of the last updates. More than stupid it's just boringly plain, as for now. And on top of that:

And it's not like I'm proposing to fit every possible ntr route, a route in which Harry does with Aya is something the story clearly makes you expect, it's not some random out of left field request. The pretext is there, the build up is there, the public feedback is there.

This. 100% this. It is expected that Harry will have something with Aya and then she'll be corrupted because there's build up to that. And this route (or path?) doesn't deliver it.

 

[Terix3]

So Aya and Laura getting corrupted by Luca can always be rhetorically justified while Harry simply getting fed up with Laura and going with Aya cannot?

So you want reverse ntr or you want MC to dump Laura for Aya ? Because those are different things.
Also you are comparing Laura that is being blackmailed and corrupted by Luca with Harry that would cheat on his own will ...

If this thread is any indiciation I would say plenty of people want it. And it's not like I'm proposing to fit every possible ntr route, a route in which Harry does with Aya is something the story clearly makes you expect, it's not some random out of left field request. The pretext is there, the build up is there, the public feedback is there.

This is a case of vocal minority. Not to mention there are people here that haunt this thread and jump on every possibility to criticize it.

Personally I'm happy to just have any Aya content, ntr included, since I like her better and Laura is saturated. But I just think an outcome in which Harry ends up with her would feel more satisfying and make more sense for the game at this point in development, for reasons already mentioned.

Aya should be separate game really, she had no meaningful presence in the ntr aspect, we barely know her, if she wouldn't be on the banner you would take her as side character. People want ending with Aya because she has not been spoiled yet. Lets first see what skeletons she hides in the closet.

 

[ZUBiDAM]

Considering he seems to be going after Laura and Aya more to torture Harry than actual libido, I say Harry being happy and uncucked with Aya is a loss for Luca.

i never said Luca won't be going after aya, but reverse ntr with Aya won't necessarily be bad for luca , laura will be the victim, it just means he will go after aya, and he will probably have Laura's help in most routes without the need of a rule, in Laura's perspective, she is suffering for harry and he betrays her first so it's not surprising she might be more of an antagonist in Aya routes, we already know she is very possessive and jealous.

 

[mzer0]

This person is assuming what people mean by karma and likewise I'm addressing in what context people are using karma. It has nothing to do with you, you just jumped in apparently without investigating the context. Bad detective!

Neither I, nor the person you were responding to said that the absence of 'karma' made the story 'bad'. Do you know what a strawman is?
No...Of course you don't. Carry on.

I don't think people play NTR games for karma ending.

LOL!

Yes, there are many in the community who enjoy seeing a little Karma every now and then in between seeing the MC get cucked. You must be new.

All you have to do is read. It's not that hard.


Anyway, enough of you. I'm sure you won't type anything worth reading since you can't be bothered to read what you're responding to.

As far as the story goes, I think it would be fun to see Laura get so caught up in trying to break Aya that she starts spending more time fucking her than she does Harry.

In fact, it would be kind of ironic if her relationship with Harry started to go downhill due to her spending so much time taming Aya. Before, Harry was wondering what was going on between Laura and Luca. This time, he could be wondering why Laura and Aya, who used to hate each other, are suddenly spending so much time together.

It would be even more funny if Laura fully took on the bull role and started leaving Luca out of the loop entirely. But, then again, that might be going a bit too far...

 

[Terix3]

LOL!



All you have to do is read. It's not that hard.


Anyway, enough of you.

You clearly don't understand what context is so off with you.