VN Ren'Py Completed A Promise Best Left Unkept [Bonus S2 Ep 9-11] [Hangover Cat]

[Latex224]

Bonus Scene 8 will take a while since it is at $25 tier but no Bonus Scene 7 hero still?

 

[Alvillo]

what is it about the bonus scene #8?

 

[Ilcoriglianese forte]

why do you call it a game, excuse me, I see a single hentai film, very dirty and corruptive, you have an MC who, as happens in these stories, who knows why, always has to end badly, yes a girl who is a slut and a nymphomaniac, but the DNA of mum is there, a bully who if it weren't for the family surname, in the end is just a big cock walking, hahah, what an idiot I am Luca, and an idiotic blonde, so we have two girls who are essentially worthless, if I were Harry I would thank Luca for having avoided the two bullets, Laura and Aya, here there is only one sad ending, the one where Laura leaves Luca and returns with Henry, that is sad, however a nice interactive porn film, like in the best low-end Hentai leverage can be found, the Japanese may have a big brain, but about sex and their size they are as funny as their stories, hahahaaahh

 

[BraveOrakio]

Does this have moaning voices in the sex scenes?

 

[khornu]

Does this have moaning voices in the sex scenes?

Yes, almost all scenes have the moaning sounds.

 

[BraveOrakio]

Yes, almost all scenes have the moaning sounds.

Right thanks!

 

[Chinel]

That will be the "good end" then, she stays with Harry and Luca left but like others said she will never be the same again. Nonetheless this is the best it can be (exclude the Aya editions).
I've just played through all the endings, purposely left out all the ones with Aya at first. Then played all the endings that involving Aya, Aya Clumsy, Aya fallen, Good end Aya, now I understood what the others have been saying. AYA IS BASED.
Play through all those Aya edition endings, the more you play the more you see Laura is beyond saving even in those ending where Laura leaves Luca. In my opinion she was a slut before Harry, still a slut even ends up with Harry and always will be when she meets the "next Luca".

The problem with Laura is that she is honestly an idiot.
She thinks that being the hardworking, efficient person with a good image is exclusive with her desire for sex.
She is pathetic, that is all.
Anyone knows you can have a big sex drive and still be effective in your functions or in a leadership position.

It is all about a place for things, but alas Laura cannot conceptualize both due to her mother.

As said, she could have figured it by the end, but that requires a slap on the face and a kick into her ego that the game can't or she will be 'lesser' than Harry.

 

[Iexist]

The problem with Laura is that she is honestly an idiot.
She thinks that being the hardworking, efficient person with a good image is exclusive with her desire for sex.
She is pathetic, that is all.
Anyone knows you can have a big sex drive and still be effective in your functions or in a leadership position.

It is all about a place for things, but alas Laura cannot conceptualize both due to her mother.

As said, she could have figured it by the end, but that requires a slap on the face and a kick into her ego that the game can't or she will be 'lesser' than Harry.

While I agree that Laura is an idiot... I don't think that's really the main reason to call her one.

This is because at the end of the day, that sort of bias isn't just in her head... it's a bias that's instilled by society as well in more than a few countries. The idea that having a high sex drive is a bad thing for women is being driven in girls' heads from a young age in a lot of places, and there's a massive bias where a girl with a high sex drive is considered unacceptable while a man with the same is considered normal.

From that angle, Laura's thinking is... actually fairly normal and realistic tbh. Especially when she sees that her mother and her high sex drive can't have any other job except for literally prostituting herself. It's pretty easy to believe, in that sort of situation, that giving in to one's desires even a little will mean that you won't be able to ever stop, like starting to slide down a slope, picking up speed with every passing moment and never being able to slow down ever again.

For all that humanity has changed in a lot of ways... it also hasn't changed in many important ways.

 

[Chinel]

While I agree that Laura is an idiot... I don't think that's really the main reason to call her one.

This is because at the end of the day, that sort of bias isn't just in her head... it's a bias that's instilled by society as well in more than a few countries. The idea that having a high sex drive is a bad thing for women is being driven in girls' heads from a young age in a lot of places, and there's a massive bias where a girl with a high sex drive is considered unacceptable while a man with the same is considered normal.

From that angle, Laura's thinking is... actually fairly normal and realistic tbh. Especially when she sees that her mother and her high sex drive can't have any other job except for literally prostituting herself. It's pretty easy to believe, in that sort of situation, that giving in to one's desires even a little will mean that you won't be able to ever stop, like starting to slide down a slope, picking up speed with every passing moment and never being able to slow down ever again.

For all that humanity has changed in a lot of ways... it also hasn't changed in many important ways.

Mind you I say that taking in mind when she is all up into her nymphomania and massive ego on saying everyone is a 'sheep' and Harry is a 'weakling'.

So much for someone to make such statements act in a manner that justifies what she believed before, as biased and unproven it can be. The thing is.

Is that bias wrong or right? I would argue it is wrong and false.
Laura makes that kind of claim of everyone being an idiot, but that seems to apply more to herself, who just trails the path and proves that bias right instead...of actually not being a foolish idiotic sheep and embracing a path of her own.

It is my viewpoint.

 

[Iexist]

Mind you I say that taking in mind when she is all up into her nymphomania and massive ego on saying everyone is a 'sheep' and Harry is a 'weakling'.

So much for someone to make such statements act in a manner that justifies what she believed before, as biased and unproven it can be. The thing is.

Is that bias wrong or right? I would argue it is wrong and false.
Laura makes that kind of claim of everyone being an idiot, but that seems to apply more to herself, who just trails the path and proves that bias right instead...of actually not being a foolish idiotic sheep and embracing a path of her own.

It is my viewpoint.

While the idea that Harry is weak is debatable in some ways, one can't argue with the fact that he absolutely is emotionally weak. That's simple facts. His response to trauma and stressful situations tends to be that he falls apart, and falls apart badly at that, to the point where in some cases he absolutely never recovers. Like the Fallen Hero ending. Was that situation horrible? Yes. Was his reaction to it something you can attribute any strength too? Absolutely not. Being traumatized is one thing. Getting off to the videos and everything else is taking things in a direction that only shows emotional weakness.

Also... Laura didn't say that 'everyone' is a sheep. She said that 'everyone in the office' is a sheep. That's a pretty important distinction. After all. It's absolutely true. If they weren't sheep, that vote would not have happened the way it did. No one with an opinion of their own and confidence in their own skills and abilities would have ever taken her side in that sort of situation.

But no one except for Harry and Aya actually had an opinion of their own or confidence in their own skills... and things went wrong. Laura pegged them exactly right.

Beyond that, let's face it... a lot of people ARE sheep who only regurgitate whatever opinions are fed to them by other people. I could give way too many examples, but that means going into politics and whatnot, and that's against forum rules.

Point is, as far as I'm concerned, you're focusing on the wrong things. You're also trying to lay all the blame on Laura for the whole madness, when Harry absolutely has a lot of blame on his head too. In fact, he has the most blame, given that he's the one that opened the gate for Luca in the first place, no matter how you look at it.

 

[Ilcoriglianese forte]

While the idea that Harry is weak is debatable in some ways, one can't argue with the fact that he absolutely is emotionally weak. That's simple facts. His response to trauma and stressful situations tends to be that he falls apart, and falls apart badly at that, to the point where in some cases he absolutely never recovers. Like the Fallen Hero ending. Was that situation horrible? Yes. Was his reaction to it something you can attribute any strength too? Absolutely not. Being traumatized is one thing. Getting off to the videos and everything else is taking things in a direction that only shows emotional weakness.

Also... Laura didn't say that 'everyone' is a sheep. She said that 'everyone in the office' is a sheep. That's a pretty important distinction. After all. It's absolutely true. If they weren't sheep, that vote would not have happened the way it did. No one with an opinion of their own and confidence in their own skills and abilities would have ever taken her side in that sort of situation.

But no one except for Harry and Aya actually had an opinion of their own or confidence in their own skills... and things went wrong. Laura pegged them exactly right.

Beyond that, let's face it... a lot of people ARE sheep who only regurgitate whatever opinions are fed to them by other people. I could give way too many examples, but that means going into politics and whatnot, and that's against forum rules.

Point is, as far as I'm concerned, you're focusing on the wrong things. You're also trying to lay all the blame on Laura for the whole madness, when Harry absolutely has a lot of blame on his head too. In fact, he has the most blame, given that he's the one that opened the gate for Luca in the first place, no matter how you look at it.

I have complained about some aspects of this game, I know that NTR mostly follow this path, and as far as your expression about Harry is concerned I agree with it, but I wouldn't blame him across the board, in these games unfortunately there are three rules fixed, a scary, loser and weak MC, the partner who goes from prude to slut, and the good opponent who mocks Mc, who in many other games is a BBC with a nice cock, here they used a blond model, with the fucking caterristics of a BBC, but these are the three rules,, rules, which unfortunately in my opinion are a little tiring, certainly they will hold up in the market for some time, but their peak has now been reached, now the descent path, like everything that surrounds the cuckolder in the real world too, I am always attacked in the various posts of similar games because I complain about this standard situation, many tell me, but if you don't like it why do you play, honestly, you don't play it like you can give an opinion, if you don't play it at least two or three times how can you be detailed in judging it, the real problem is the players, for them now this cuckold fetish exists and they look for it in these games, identifying with them, because many are incapable in reality to be able to do it, but this trend, like all others, will go away, but in order not to deviate too much, in similar games created by the oriental world with hentai, it is literally annoying an Mc always so mortifying, to transport an oriental fetish fashion to western lands where the social culture is very different, I don't think it was a good move, the various creators gave them an idea of others, specifically if I have to express a personal opinion due to the way I was educated in Italy, these games have little value , in fact they are not even considered games, but hentai with a light choice option. so I agree with your point of view, even if we are white flies in this forum.

 

[ZUBiDAM]

I have complained about some aspects of this game, I know that NTR mostly follow this path, and as far as your expression about Harry is concerned I agree with it, but I wouldn't blame him across the board, in these games unfortunately there are three rules fixed, a scary, loser and weak MC, the partner who goes from prude to slut, and the good opponent who mocks Mc, who in many other games is a BBC with a nice cock, here they used a blond model, with the fucking caterristics of a BBC, but these are the three rules,, rules, which unfortunately in my opinion are a little tiring, certainly they will hold up in the market for some time, but their peak has now been reached, now the descent path, like everything that surrounds the cuckolder in the real world too, I am always attacked in the various posts of similar games because I complain about this standard situation, many tell me, but if you don't like it why do you play, honestly, you don't play it like you can give an opinion, if you don't play it at least two or three times how can you be detailed in judging it, the real problem is the players, for them now this cuckold fetish exists and they look for it in these games, identifying with them, because many are incapable in reality to be able to do it, but this trend, like all others, will go away, but in order not to deviate too much, in similar games created by the oriental world with hentai, it is literally annoying an Mc always so mortifying, to transport an oriental fetish fashion to western lands where the social culture is very different, I don't think it was a good move, the various creators gave them an idea of others, specifically if I have to express a personal opinion due to the way I was educated in Italy, these games have little value , in fact they are not even considered games, but hentai with a light choice option. so I agree with your point of view, even if we are white flies in this forum.

ok
we understand, modern men values in society are in peril because ntr games.
thanks for your opinion again

 

[inye59]

I have complained about some aspects of this game, I know that NTR mostly follow this path, and as far as your expression about Harry is concerned I agree with it, but I wouldn't blame him across the board, in these games unfortunately there are three rules fixed, a scary, loser and weak MC, the partner who goes from prude to slut, and the good opponent who mocks Mc, who in many other games is a BBC with a nice cock, here they used a blond model, with the fucking caterristics of a BBC, but these are the three rules,, rules, which unfortunately in my opinion are a little tiring, certainly they will hold up in the market for some time, but their peak has now been reached, now the descent path, like everything that surrounds the cuckolder in the real world too, I am always attacked in the various posts of similar games because I complain about this standard situation, many tell me, but if you don't like it why do you play, honestly, you don't play it like you can give an opinion, if you don't play it at least two or three times how can you be detailed in judging it, the real problem is the players, for them now this cuckold fetish exists and they look for it in these games, identifying with them, because many are incapable in reality to be able to do it, but this trend, like all others, will go away, but in order not to deviate too much, in similar games created by the oriental world with hentai, it is literally annoying an Mc always so mortifying, to transport an oriental fetish fashion to western lands where the social culture is very different, I don't think it was a good move, the various creators gave them an idea of others, specifically if I have to express a personal opinion due to the way I was educated in Italy, these games have little value , in fact they are not even considered games, but hentai with a light choice option. so I agree with your point of view, even if we are white flies in this forum.

Relax dude it's just a game don't take it to personaly. You are not Harry. Try to be in Luca's shoes or in Laura's.
The cuck in games has nothing to do with the cuckoldry in real life. The games are just an interactive novels.The novels are a work of FICTION
e.g Many games here has rape theme. What does that means? That the males here want all to rape?? Or that I as a Fem I want to be raped?
What is worst the rape or the cuckoldry IRL?? I won't say what people say about " but if you don't like it why do you play"
I would say IF you see that something has a negative impact in metal / sentimental health take a step back clear your mind see If you want to continue or not.

 

[Iexist]

I have complained about some aspects of this game, I know that NTR mostly follow this path, and as far as your expression about Harry is concerned I agree with it, but I wouldn't blame him across the board, in these games unfortunately there are three rules fixed, a scary, loser and weak MC, the partner who goes from prude to slut, and the good opponent who mocks Mc, who in many other games is a BBC with a nice cock, here they used a blond model, with the fucking caterristics of a BBC, but these are the three rules,, rules, which unfortunately in my opinion are a little tiring, certainly they will hold up in the market for some time, but their peak has now been reached, now the descent path, like everything that surrounds the cuckolder in the real world too, I am always attacked in the various posts of similar games because I complain about this standard situation, many tell me, but if you don't like it why do you play, honestly, you don't play it like you can give an opinion, if you don't play it at least two or three times how can you be detailed in judging it, the real problem is the players, for them now this cuckold fetish exists and they look for it in these games, identifying with them, because many are incapable in reality to be able to do it, but this trend, like all others, will go away, but in order not to deviate too much, in similar games created by the oriental world with hentai, it is literally annoying an Mc always so mortifying, to transport an oriental fetish fashion to western lands where the social culture is very different, I don't think it was a good move, the various creators gave them an idea of others, specifically if I have to express a personal opinion due to the way I was educated in Italy, these games have little value , in fact they are not even considered games, but hentai with a light choice option. so I agree with your point of view, even if we are white flies in this forum.

M8...

I'm not reading that shit...

Learn to punctuate and split things into readable phrases and paragraphs. I'd blame your grasp of English on it, but learning how to format text has little to do with language for the most part, except for Asian and maybe Arabic languages which tend to work differently on a fundamental level.

This might be rude. This might be extremely rude. But seeing something like this, I genuinely have to ask... Are you actually an adult at the age of majority where you live? Because I don't want to believe that anyone that actually finished high-school could write like that... Unless you didn't finish high-school, in which case you have my sympathies for whatever circumstances caused that to happen.

In either of those cases, you likely shouldn't be posting in threads like this one.

Especially since some of your posts have been outright kink-shaming from what I've seen... before they were deleted. Kink shaming is against forum rules. Do not kink shame. You have no right to judge people for what they like. Period.

 

[abirvg]

Beyond that, let's face it... a lot of people ARE sheep who only regurgitate whatever opinions are fed to them by other people.

That is a common cognitive mistake.
In terms of the success of your actions (how 'right' they are) being full blown "sheep" and full blown "independent thinker" would be effectively the same thing.

Every single dictator thinks that he knows better then everyone else.
Every single totalitarian dictator, who terrorizes his subjects - telling them what they can and cannot say, who they can love, how they can dress, what they should buy and where they can walk - all of it because, obviously, he knows everything better then everyone, he wouldn't make mistakes and he doesn't need to listen to anyone.
He is not sheep.
And he doesn't need some idiotic sheep to mess up a whole country on some 'elections' or whatnot.

That is also the logic of democratically elected politicians, who then go and ignore the will of people who elected them.

And of course the feudal failed-states are full of "independent thinkers".

Truth is, everyone works with insufficient information. EVERY action you make IS a mistake - in a sense that given enough time and information you always can make a better choice.
Both you and me included.
Listening to other people when you don't know what's going on - and we never know perfectly what's going on - is a very important instinct, that actually allows our society to somewhat function and not fall apart completely.

So yeah.
Sheep<----------------->Independent Thinkers.
It's a scale.
And both extremes are, surprisingly, equally bad.

And should be treated as equal.

You're also trying to lay all the blame on Laura for the whole madness, when Harry absolutely has a lot of blame on his head too. In fact, he has the most blame, given that he's the one that opened the gate for Luca in the first place, no matter how you look at it.

That is so common, there's an actual term for it:
Victim-blaming.

"She wore such a skirt - what was she expecting? She's practically invited him to rape her."

Laura was a victim, weakling and an idiot - but that's not why she deserves the 'blame'.
It's because later she conspired and took part in Luca's plans as an accomplice.

Ironically, some of the suggestions in this thread from our zealous fans - for Harry to "man-up" and "stop being such a pussy" - could've indeed shift a blame at him.
For disproportional retaliation.

 

[Iexist]

-SNIP-

I will not comment on the first part of your post, and I genuinely recommend editing that out. As I said in my original post, debating too hard on what counts as sheep or not, as well as why I think this and that on the subject, requires going majorly off-topic, and even worse, into stuff like politics, all of which is against forum rules.

As for the other part.

I'm not sure if the poster I was replying too was doing victim blaming or not... hard to be sure. His English is a bit hard to parse at times tbh. That said, while Laura is definitely a victim in the whole mess, it's not entirely true either. In the sense that her own idiocy and/or pride is what causes her to sink.

What I mean by that is that she accepted to play Luca's game, even though anyone with two brain cells would have realized that he wouldn't have proposed the game in the first place if there was any real chance for her to win. She didn't even stop to consider that her own sexual experience was extremely lacking, while Luca was a massive playboy since high-school. She also didn't really stop to think all that deeply about his motives for his actions. In most paths, she pretty much never realizes that Luca's actions towards her are all motivated by his hatred of Harry, which automatically makes it clear that his interest in her will drop significantly once she's no longer useful in tormenting Harry.

Quite frankly, there were a LOT of things that she could have done differently if she stopped to use at least a couple of braincells.

It's... how should I put it. If you're hiking in the woods and you get attacked by wolves, you're unlucky and you're a victim. If you go to the zoo, cover yourself in blood and jump into the wolves' cage, you're a moron and you pretty much deserve the obvious end result.

Do you understand what I'm trying to say here? As far as I'm concerned, Laura wasn't the hiker in the woods, she was the moron that jumped in the wolves' cage, albeit because someone told her to do it and she couldn't think of a better idea on her own.

Hell, even Luca mocks her about it. I don't remember which route it was, but he flat out tells her that she was basically an idiot and that Harry would have preferred to outright go to prison rather than have this situation happen. One has to question if she actually did what she did for Harry's sake, or because she couldn't stand the idea of not being able to solve a situation on her own.

 

[abirvg]

-SNIP- )

No. Victim-blaming towards Harry - not Laura.

You're also trying to lay all the blame on Laura for the whole madness, when Harry absolutely has a lot of blame on his head too. In fact, he has the most blame, given that he's the one that opened the gate for Luca in the first place, no matter how you look at it.

And again - even if she "jumps inside a tigers cage" - she may be a moron, but you don't really 'blame' her for that.
Maybe lough at her.
Unless she opens up the cage for the tiger to attack other people. With the intention of harming one specific person no less.

 

[Iexist]

No. Victim-blaming towards Harry - not Laura.

So, you're trying to say that I'm victim blaming towards Harry?

Because if so, I shall respectfully disagree on account of the fact that Harry is still the biggest moron in the whole mess, and none of the situation would have happened if he had a normal person's level of distrust towards Luca. Or, if, y'know, he respected basic IT security procedures that any tech company with any amount of self respect has.

 

[abirvg]

So, you're trying to say that I'm victim blaming towards Harry?

Because if so, I shall respectfully disagree on account of the fact that Harry is still the biggest moron in the whole mess, and none of the situation would have happened if he had a normal person's level of distrust towards Luca. Or, if, y'know, he respected basic IT security procedures that any tech company with any amount of self respect has.

Yeah.
Victim-blaming.
He wore a short skirt like an absolute moron that he is - so he got raped.
And he didn't even bring a stun-gun with him.
Deserved.

 

[Iexist]

Yeah.
Victim-blaming.
He wore a short skirt like an absolute moron that he is - so he got raped.
And he even didn't bring a stun-gun with him.
Deserved.

That's really not how that works...

Though the first fact I want to correct here is that I never said that Harry deserved to have all the crap happen to him. No one would deserve that, realistically speaking... but given that he's a character in hentai VN, well, I'm not exactly going to lose any sleep over it either.

However, more important than that is that we have to draw a line at some point, where one's idiocy is not excusable, otherwise everyone's 'just a blameless victim'. Yes. In a perfect world, we'd all be able to do whatever we want, whenever we want, as long as it doesn't harm anyone else. That perfect world isn't this one, and it isn't the one Harry lives in either. Because said perfect world isn't a thing for him or us, it means that both him and us have a certain level of responsibility to ensure our own safety in any situation where we should know better.

Wearing a short skirt isn't an excuse to get raped. Wearing a short skirt and walking down a hidden alley where you heard rumors that rapists lurk around won't make what inevitably happens justified or deserved... but whoever does it is still an absolute moron.

At the end of the day, Harry is an absolute moron. Being a nice person won't protect you from the bad shit out there.