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ShadowJocker

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hey i need to ask: how long is this game? i've been playing for some time but i'm only at the page 2 of CG and there is like 11 pages maybe more. Should i skip some of the dialogue?
 

abirvg

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hey i need to ask: how long is this game? i've been playing for some time but i'm only at the page 2 of CG and there is like 11 pages maybe more. Should i skip some of the dialogue?
There is a lot endings, EACH of which have SEVERAL unique scenes to them.
I believe you won't get even half of the CGs in one paythrough.
 

abirvg

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Should i skip some dialogue? or would that make the game worse?
Dude, do what you want.
If you're bored - yeah, skim or speed read it.
If later you'll find the sex scenes hot and you want more - go back. Maybe choose a different route too.

Yeah, there's a lot of hot stuff INSIDE the dialogues. Characters is definitely one of the strongest parts of this story.
But everything is individual. What's hot for someone else may be boring for you.
 
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Comeo_Momeo

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So what I heard about the good ending is that MC (Harry) goes to Luca's house or your bedroom finally knowing how to pleasure Laura. He goes into the bedroom and flips Luca off of Laura and starts eating her pussy which is filled with Luca's cum and starts eating it. Laura has an orgasm which she never experienced the pleasure before. Harry flips out the wedding ring and proposes to Laura which she agrees to. Luca seeing all this action goes WTF and leaves the two rightfully so. Wedding Day comes by and you and Laura are married. (Does it also features that Laura is wearing a vibrator as well or is it a seperate ending).

Either way, I feel like I'm Adin Ross who discovers his sisters nudes online and instantly wanted to become a fascist or some genocidal maniac. I don't know why I'm having this emotion and don't ask me how. I'm tried from learning about this and I want to sleep and try to forget the next morning. Good Night.
 

Soulmask

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This is such a good game because if you realize what's really going on... The whole point is about how men shouldnt live for women, they should live for themselves and have women support them. That's what the doomed promise, and the consequences of following that doomed promise, means. Laura begs you to stop because it was a silly promise. She is mad at you for always thinking about her and thinking she's perfect. She wants you to be more independent, more manly.

That's the whole point of the game, but no, most of you just stay surface level "She cheated she's bad, the MC is good and shouldn't change anything, Luca is an asshole that deserves to die" like you didn't learn ANYTHING from this lmao. A confident guy lives for himself.

Another thing is the "if you trust a girl enough, she will never cheat on you!(or if she does, then she's wrong and you shouldn't change anything because you're a good boy!)" trope. Which is total bullshit. It shows a fundamental misunderstanding of women and social interactions in general. It shows that you are a naïve person that sets yourself up for failure. Ultimately, a man should only entirely trust himself. Having reasonable trust is fine, but the "reasonable" is very important. If you believe in evolution, which means real science, then you should know that women have evolved to swap sides and adapt, that's what maximizes their gene procreation and survival potential. If an enemy tribes raids your village and kills all the men, should a woman kill herself in solidarity? Should she fight to the death? Or should she, be mad for a few weeks and finally give up and get a new husband, the same guy who just killed a bunch of her own family? Well, both historically and evolutionarily speaking, women overwhelmingly behave in the third option.

Which is exactly what is happening in this VN, she's mad for about 2-3 weeks, then finally gives up to Luca. She gives up to the superior man with superior genes/social ability. Not that she didn't try to BASH some sense into the MC either, if you read my previous post... She's literally bashing you OVER THE HEAD ALL THE TIME about how she wants you to live for yourself and become more manly and prevent Luca from having sex with her... Obviously she doesn't say it directly because well a lot of people don't realize this on an intellectual level, it's more of a serotonin reptilian brain thing, but nevertheless she keeps giving chance after chance to the MC, and like an idiot stubborn dumb fuck, the MC doesn't do anything, doesn't change, doesn't realize anything, until he literally sees Luca pounding her pussy.
 
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inye59

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This is such a good game because if you realize what's really going on... The whole point is about how men shouldnt live for women, they should live for themselves and have women support them. That's what the doomed promise, and the consequences of following that doomed promise, means. Laura begs you to stop because it was a silly promise. She is mad at you for always thinking about her and thinking she's perfect. She wants you to be more independent, more manly.

That's the whole point of the game, but no, most of you just stay surface level "She cheated she's bad, the MC is good and shouldn't change anything, Luca is an asshole that deserves to die" like you didn't learn ANYTHING from this lmao. A confident guy lives for himself.

Another thing is the "if you trust a girl enough, she will never cheat on you!(or if she does, then she's wrong and you shouldn't change anything because you're a good boy!)" trope. Which is total bullshit. It shows a fundamental misunderstanding of women and social interactions in general. It shows that you are a naïve person that sets yourself up for failure. Ultimately, a man should only entirely trust himself. Having reasonable trust is fine, but the "reasonable" is very important. If you believe in evolution, which means real science, then you should know that women have evolved to swap sides and adapt, that's what maximizes their gene procreation and survival potential. If an enemy tribes raids your village and kills all the men, should a woman kill herself in solidarity? Should she fight to the death? Or should she, be mad for a few weeks and finally give up and get a new husband, the same guy who just killed a bunch of her own family? Well, both historically and evolutionarily speaking, women overwhelmingly behave in the third option.

Which is exactly what is happening in this VN, she's mad for about 2-3 weeks, then finally gives up to Luca. She gives up to the superior man with superior genes/social ability. Not that she didn't try to BASH some sense into the MC either, if you read my previous post... She's literally bashing you OVER THE HEAD ALL THE TIME about how she wants you to live for yourself and become more manly and prevent Luca from having sex with her... Obviously she doesn't say it directly because well a lot of people don't realize this on an intellectual level, it's more of a serotonin reptilian brain thing, but nevertheless she keeps giving chance after chance to the MC, and like an idiot stubborn dumb fuck, the MC doesn't do anything, doesn't change, doesn't realize anything, until he literally sees Luca pounding her pussy.
Dude it's a fiction NTR game not a red pill podcast. It is focusing on cheating, lost to dick dick scenario , oblivious character. It has nothing to do with reality..
 

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This is such a good game because if you realize what's really going on... The whole point is about how men shouldnt live for women, they should live for themselves and have women support them. That's what the doomed promise, and the consequences of following that doomed promise, means. Laura begs you to stop because it was a silly promise. She is mad at you for always thinking about her and thinking she's perfect. She wants you to be more independent, more manly.

That's the whole point of the game, but no, most of you just stay surface level "She cheated she's bad, the MC is good and shouldn't change anything, Luca is an asshole that deserves to die" like you didn't learn ANYTHING from this lmao. A confident guy lives for himself.

Another thing is the "if you trust a girl enough, she will never cheat on you!(or if she does, then she's wrong and you shouldn't change anything because you're a good boy!)" trope. Which is total bullshit. It shows a fundamental misunderstanding of women and social interactions in general. It shows that you are a naïve person that sets yourself up for failure. Ultimately, a man should only entirely trust himself. Having reasonable trust is fine, but the "reasonable" is very important. If you believe in evolution, which means real science, then you should know that women have evolved to swap sides and adapt, that's what maximizes their gene procreation and survival potential. If an enemy tribes raids your village and kills all the men, should a woman kill herself in solidarity? Should she fight to the death? Or should she, be mad for a few weeks and finally give up and get a new husband, the same guy who just killed a bunch of her own family? Well, both historically and evolutionarily speaking, women overwhelmingly behave in the third option.

Which is exactly what is happening in this VN, she's mad for about 2-3 weeks, then finally gives up to Luca. She gives up to the superior man with superior genes/social ability. Not that she didn't try to BASH some sense into the MC either, if you read my previous post... She's literally bashing you OVER THE HEAD ALL THE TIME about how she wants you to live for yourself and become more manly and prevent Luca from having sex with her... Obviously she doesn't say it directly because well a lot of people don't realize this on an intellectual level, it's more of a serotonin reptilian brain thing, but nevertheless she keeps giving chance after chance to the MC, and like an idiot stubborn dumb fuck, the MC doesn't do anything, doesn't change, doesn't realize anything, until he literally sees Luca pounding her pussy.

its just game mate, where did this come from? lol like seriously

seriously i doubt in real life Harry would be that stupid not notice what was happening
 
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inye59

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its just game mate, where did this come from? lol like seriously

seriously i doubt in real life Harry would be that stupid not notice what was happening
Τhe matter is not if Harry is stupid or not but that is a fiction game. It has nothing to do with real life. A talented writer makes good dialogues and people idetified with some of the characters. Those games are equivalent with Harlequin Romance
 

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This is such a good game because if you realize what's really going on... The whole point is about how men shouldnt live for women, they should live for themselves and have women support them. That's what the doomed promise, and the consequences of following that doomed promise, means. Laura begs you to stop because it was a silly promise. She is mad at you for always thinking about her and thinking she's perfect. She wants you to be more independent, more manly.

That's the whole point of the game, but no, most of you just stay surface level "She cheated she's bad, the MC is good and shouldn't change anything, Luca is an asshole that deserves to die" like you didn't learn ANYTHING from this lmao. A confident guy lives for himself.

Another thing is the "if you trust a girl enough, she will never cheat on you!(or if she does, then she's wrong and you shouldn't change anything because you're a good boy!)" trope. Which is total bullshit. It shows a fundamental misunderstanding of women and social interactions in general. It shows that you are a naïve person that sets yourself up for failure. Ultimately, a man should only entirely trust himself. Having reasonable trust is fine, but the "reasonable" is very important. If you believe in evolution, which means real science, then you should know that women have evolved to swap sides and adapt, that's what maximizes their gene procreation and survival potential. If an enemy tribes raids your village and kills all the men, should a woman kill herself in solidarity? Should she fight to the death? Or should she, be mad for a few weeks and finally give up and get a new husband, the same guy who just killed a bunch of her own family? Well, both historically and evolutionarily speaking, women overwhelmingly behave in the third option.

Which is exactly what is happening in this VN, she's mad for about 2-3 weeks, then finally gives up to Luca. She gives up to the superior man with superior genes/social ability. Not that she didn't try to BASH some sense into the MC either, if you read my previous post... She's literally bashing you OVER THE HEAD ALL THE TIME about how she wants you to live for yourself and become more manly and prevent Luca from having sex with her... Obviously she doesn't say it directly because well a lot of people don't realize this on an intellectual level, it's more of a serotonin reptilian brain thing, but nevertheless she keeps giving chance after chance to the MC, and like an idiot stubborn dumb fuck, the MC doesn't do anything, doesn't change, doesn't realize anything, until he literally sees Luca pounding her pussy.
Meh.
It is all irrelevant before FORCE AND PURE VIOLENCE.
TBH Luca cannot be considered superior because all what it takes is a single bullet to the brain. And what is this talk?

Genetic enginnering exists and the technology is improving. Soon people will arbitrarity decide what is 'superior'.

Regardless, all of your assumptions are rendered null and void if force is applied as arbiter. Laura would accept Harry because that is what the gun decided and since she is so willing to be raped and say nothing...

She might understand best her lack of willpower. The ones absent of it must be cowed by the ones willing to do what it takes. Luca? Social ability? All it took for him to die was again...assassins.

Strength/Power/Violence is what it matters. Not this redpill nonsense.
 

Soulmask

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I'm not talking about redpill I'm talking about evolutionary psychology and what the author wrote, who agrees with me on all points because he wrote it based on evolutionary psychology. A lot of men want to deny this to protect their ego, but ultimately they all know that chad/jock/mr. popular gets the girls. It's the VNs and animes were a complete loser gets a harem that are unrealistic...

And sure, that doesn't mean most men are totally hopeless, after all a lot of men end up with girlfriends or married, but when they get cheated on if it happens, usually it's with someone who's more popular/better social skills. And guess what, Luca clearly has better social skills than the MC, who keeps his promise like an autist while Luca manipulates everyone easily...
 

Soulmask

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Meh.
It is all irrelevant before FORCE AND PURE VIOLENCE.
TBH Luca cannot be considered superior because all what it takes is a single bullet to the brain. And what is this talk?

Genetic enginnering exists and the technology is improving. Soon people will arbitrarity decide what is 'superior'.

Regardless, all of your assumptions are rendered null and void if force is applied as arbiter. Laura would accept Harry because that is what the gun decided and since she is so willing to be raped and say nothing...

She might understand best her lack of willpower. The ones absent of it must be cowed by the ones willing to do what it takes. Luca? Social ability? All it took for him to die was again...assassins.

Strength/Power/Violence is what it matters. Not this redpill nonsense.
So your solution to this is just murder? Call me crazy, but getting a girl to fuck you seems easier than getting away with murder lol
 

Soulmask

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The worst thing that's happening right now in the dating scene is politicization of male/female relations... It's not about a political side, it's about evolution which means survive and reproduce. It's science. Then pseudoscientist social sciences come and say "everything is a social construct" and everybody loses their shit. Women are attracted to social status and social skills, and it's undeniable that they have a Stockholm Syndrome switch because it's proven in historical texts and it makes sense on an evolutionary POV too. Rape of the Sabines, pre-colonial America, colonization, there's so many examples of this it's not even a debate honestly.
 

Soulmask

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Dude it's a fiction NTR game not a red pill podcast. It is focusing on cheating, lost to dick dick scenario , oblivious character. It has nothing to do with reality..
In terms of realism, I'd say this one, out of all VNs, is pretty realistic. It's definitely more realistic than loser gets harem. The world is filled with men oblivious to social goings-on.
 

Chinel

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So your solution to this is just murder? Call me crazy, but getting a girl to fuck you seems easier than getting away with murder lol
Luca is a mafioso.
Who would care if he died anyway? Although I would sooner crack the bones of his spine and make him a paralytic and keep him close, to always taunt him, slap his face, turn him into a bitch. Then he would learn that all power is...transient.

And Laura? Anyone who can't put their whims in check deserve no autonomy, someone better must command her to be actually worthy something. Of couse that also applies to the foolish Harry and the stupid Aya.

If Aya wanted him really, she could just have taken him by force from the start.

Main point is. Might Makes Right. All Political Power (and often arbitrary moral definitions) draws from a barrrel of a GUN.

I'm not talking about redpill I'm talking about evolutionary psychology and what the author wrote, who agrees with me on all points because he wrote it based on evolutionary psychology. A lot of men want to deny this to protect their ego, but ultimately they all know that chad/jock/mr. popular gets the girls. It's the VNs and animes were a complete loser gets a harem that are unrealistic...

And sure, that doesn't mean most men are totally hopeless, after all a lot of men end up with girlfriends or married, but when they get cheated on if it happens, usually it's with someone who's more popular/better social skills. And guess what, Luca clearly has better social skills than the MC, who keeps his promise like an autist while Luca manipulates everyone easily...
People like Luca, in Brazil, die.
Now wonder why they die? Because we know that all what he has is irrelevant if he gets a bullet on his head.

Harry not being someone willing to achieve his will won't be able to do that. Same for Laura and the others.
The worst thing that's happening right now in the dating scene is politicization of male/female relations... It's not about a political side, it's about evolution which means survive and reproduce. It's science. Then pseudoscientist social sciences come and say "everything is a social construct" and everybody loses their shit. Women are attracted to social status and social skills, and it's undeniable that they have a Stockholm Syndrome switch because it's proven in historical texts and it makes sense on an evolutionary POV too. Rape of the Sabines, pre-colonial America, colonization, there's so many examples of this it's not even a debate honestly.
All irrelevant if we master the genes of man/woman. We can just do away with that and craft people as needed. You see the past. I see the future.

Soon whether there is 'chads' or 'beta' as you put it will solely be a matter of how the State wishes humans to behave and be.
 
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