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[Guitar_Villain]

I genuinely wonder, and I apologize if it's been asked already, if for NTR fans it's worth having the many scenes in which Harry is portrayed as a dumb fucking idiot not recognizing the super obvious time and time again, weakening such an exceptional writing as the one we mostly have in this game.

I personally #Enjoy those moments despite Harry's idiocy, not because of it, but I recognize this game is catered for specific tastes. Do you actually like Harry's predicament even if it comes at the cost of such a big suspension of disbelief?

 

[subaru_dono]

I genuinely wonder, and I apologize if it's been asked already, if for NTR fans it's worth having the many scenes in which Harry is portrayed as a dumb fucking idiot not recognizing the super obvious time and time again, weakening such an exceptional writing as the one we mostly have in this game.

I personally #Enjoy those moments despite Harry's idiocy, not because of it, but I recognize this game is catered for specific tastes. Do you actually like Harry's predicament even if it comes at the cost of such a big suspension of disbelief?

Well, it depends. I don't enjoy it as much if the MC's suffers through no fault of his/her own, UNLESS there are other fantastical elements, like orcs, tentacle monsters, magical corruption, etc. There's the attitude that if his fate is somehow earned by his own decisions and failures, that makes the betrayal feel less harsh. So in a CYOA story, such a dark fate is the result of Harry's/our own decisions. What diminishes my enjoyment is being in a first-person perspective and getting railroaded into a BADEND. Only having access to an ending based on what I see as the wrong choices makes the ending feel undeserved and bitter. When I make deliberately wrong decisions, I'm not bothered by getting a loser ending. I know this is a WIP, so I'm hopeful that I'll enjoy it more when other paths open up and I can see what my actual decisions bring.

His being on the cusp of discovering Laura's infidelity definitely heightens those sex scenes, but spending as much time with this story as I have, the suspension of disbelief is waning when THREE characters keep making the worst decisions.

 

[ginelofki]

callme a black and white supremacist but i felt the last act a little too rush if you asking me ,like if it was being chased or something and show a minimum development, all the red flags where out there and the MC get not idea of what's going on felt a too inorganic, it would be more "realistic" or a brilliant plot twist if it turn it out that he arleady knew it at certain point but he prefers acting out like a stupid for the good sake of his "relationship" at this point don't you think?

 

[inye59]

Dunno, I think we just view thing differently. Like I never felt jealous from h-games.
I don't really judge thus who like it. We all have our fetishes. But his point doesn't explain why he likes it. That is what I pointed.
Ur point, more understandable.

P.S.
and I just kinda curious why as well. Yeah.

Dunno, I think we just view thing differently. Like I never felt jealous from h-games.
I don't really judge thus who like it. We all have our fetishes. But his point doesn't explain why he likes it. That is what I pointed.
Ur point, more understandable.

P.S.
and I just kinda curious why as well. Yeah.

I personally am not against the bad endings, but the way they appeared in the story. The disappointment in me from the 1st ending is exactly this - that while the game was the whole time realistic, logical, and with possible, well explained and well motivated situations, we suddenly received a classic ending in the good NTR traditions - OK, but for me it doesn't fit at all to the course of the events of this story. You see, because of the big cock and the good sex of Luca, a woman - intelligent, respectfull - is turned into a sex slave to the same big cock. Even if we accept that this is possible and Laura suddenly realized that the most important thing in the life is the sex, negating work success, creating family, being in a possition in the society, and so on (which is not logical, but let's accept it is possible) - then why she just didn't broke with Harry in a normal way in the moment she realized that Luca is her man in the life? Such things happen, people realize some thing and sometimes divorsed, it's normal. Doesn't her so much beloved Harry deserved at least this?

I am sorry to say this, but this ending was equal to me, like if it was ending with dragons and orcs - or in other words, 0% realistic. And I liked the game exactly because of this - because the situations were possible, and when you think how a woman cheats while talking on the phone, or while her boyfriend is 1 meter away behind the toilet door, this is exciting, because you make the analog with the RL. If there are some fantastic situations, it is not the same, because little or less you think - OK man, this simply cannot happen, is not realistic.

I think the 1st ending could ended in realistic and motivated way, and still to be bad - like Laura keeps the sexual relation with Luca for a few years, but not destroying her and Harry's life; or if she wants to break their relation at some point, to do it in a normal way.

Here in this ending Luca treats her like a slut and a trash, tells her that he have more whores to fuck, not a hint that he wants to have family with her in any way; and she destroyed her life with Harry - for what exactly, why she will do this? What she will do after that video message? Laura looks like some NPC with the purpose to bring the bad emotions in the end, and doesn't think what will happen with her after that, but she had to bring the bad news to Harry )) - well ... for me this is not OK.

Look lets face the fact that is NTR game and the patreons have the first say here. I agree that it was not realistic but there was no need reallity in a Porn game. Have you ever met a girl to fuck the pizza guy after delivery and after she pay for the pizza??
About the pregnancy-family with Luca no girl would want to have a kid with and treat that way to her husband (she may carry his kid thought more thatn 23% of the fathers are grow some others child and with the new law in america you can execept to that number to be even higher acording to statistics 41% of the womans cheat in their relationship the around half are short terms and a litlle leass than half lead to pregnancy).Wll Luca will keep Laura? will Luca be a good father and take on his responsibilities absoloutly not. Butt on the other hand Laura has a shelfdestructive nature that tried to hinder it under work, dominant, and self-esteem.She wanted some support the way she wanted and she did't found it and she sought that the others are responsible for her msery.So she took that action to make them feel as she does. If she was not doing that she could tried sto steal the usb she would asked help from police lawyer or Harry. And i ask to my self (what a wonderful world...just kidding) what porn whould that be if all that happend. Nothing...

 

[Puma1978]

I genuinely wonder, and I apologize if it's been asked already, if for NTR fans it's worth having the many scenes in which Harry is portrayed as a dumb fucking idiot not recognizing the super obvious time and time again, weakening such an exceptional writing as the one we mostly have in this game.

I personally #Enjoy those moments despite Harry's idiocy, not because of it, but I recognize this game is catered for specific tastes. Do you actually like Harry's predicament even if it comes at the cost of such a big suspension of disbelief?

I also think it would be interesting to approach ntr once with two equal protagonists. Currently the standard approach is always big dick vs. small dick, dumb vs. smart or alpha vs. beta....thks always works of course but i think a smart writer could do it also different.

 

[HoneyLibido]

So I'm guessing the planned Hero endings imply that Harry gets some dignity back and somehow "wins" in the end with all the girls? Or is that just wishful think? Heh.

 

[ajunghw4n]

then why she just didn't broke with Harry in a normal way in the moment she realized that Luca is her man in the life? Such things happen, people realize some thing and sometimes divorsed, it's normal. Doesn't her so much beloved Harry deserved at least this?

This. I WISH there are NTR using this kinda logic. especially in its grand ending. I wanna see the FMC just end the relationship with the MC when they finally found out who they really are, found the perfect cock, or whatever her fetishes is in "peaceful" way. Without any disgusting "breakup" presentation. I know this is sound lame and unexciting. but it kinda sound very appealing to me, maybe because it hit close to possible real life scenario? again, its just my own take.

A twisted-dirty-big cock loving-whore still can be act civilized towards her former love interest (MC) you know. This is "hurtful" experience to MC in whole different level imo.

 

[Animefan_09]

then why she just didn't broke with Harry in a normal way in the moment she realized that Luca is her man in the life? Such things happen, people realize some thing and sometimes divorsed, it's normal. Doesn't her so much beloved Harry deserved at least this?

Why it doesn't happen so much in RL then too? Honestly i am kind of annoyed with comments like this (not you btw, mostly people fixating on it and not commenting anything else or calling it all stupid because of it) when in RL bullshit like that and worse happens all the fucking time, reality is unrealistic and people are weird, bad or easily influenced. Cowardice can also be a factor, or even being unwilling to admit you were wrong.

 

[mzer0]

Why it doesn't happen so much in RL then too? Honestly i am kind of annoyed with comments like this (not you btw, mostly people fixating on it and not commenting anything else or calling it all stupid because of it) when in RL bullshit like that and worse happens all the fucking time, reality is unrealistic and people are weird, bad or easily influenced. Cowardice can also be a factor, or even being unwilling to admit you were wrong.

Agreed. People don't realise it but, in the real world, scenarios that you would consider to be 'unrealistic' are playing out all the time. That's because, when it comes to infidelity, people do really stupid and/or irrational things. That goes for both the person doing the cheating as well as the person being cheated on.

I think when people say that the plotlines in NTR are unrealistic, they are judging these intensely emotional situations from a purely logical perspective (and usually with a fresh dose of post-nut clarity.)

A woman destroying a loving long-term relationship because she found better sex? That's entirely realistic. She won't call it what it is though. Instead, she'll say she 'fell out of love' or something along those lines.

The truth is, people will do really strange things in the name of satisfying their urges; the more intense the urge, the greater the lengths to which they will go to satisfy them. People will also engage in Olympic levels of mental gymnastics to justify their behavior, whether that be justifying why they are cheating on their partner, or why they are allowing themselves to be cheated on.

If you want some insight into the mindset of people who find themselves in this situation, have a gander at this

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. It's from a website called SurvivingInfidelity; a place where people, both the cheaters and the cheated, go for support. Some of the posts you find there can be quite eye-opening as it pertains to what is and is not 'realistic'.

Disclaimer: Obviously, there are plenty of NTR scenarios that are ridiculously unrealistic and contrived. I'm just saying that NTR in and of itself isn't as confined to the realm of fiction as some people may wish to believe.

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[Tjssss]

I mean it's a porn game. I don't want to diminish your feelings or anything but I am literally here for a wank.

 

[Animefan_09]

I mean it's a porn game. I don't want to diminish your feelings or anything but I am literally here for a wank.

This too is a perfectly valid point, as in we come here for recreation.

 

[youshouldknowsz]

Pretty short update eh

 

[inye59]

Pretty short update eh

Y in play time it was but it has some none repetable new cgs that demand more work than text and plot.

 

[bai_pyrvan]

Well, it is realistic -this ending ))) ?

It's not about the cheating - I myself have cheated several times to my wife, one of the times I even broke with her, but after a few months we gathered again. The reason for all my cheatings wer exactly the better sex.

It's not about this, and the people who cheat. I even stated that she can keep cheating with Luca and the ending still to be bad. The unrealistic moment is that she is turned into a mindless and sex adicted to Luca's cock and to the better sex - you really tell me that things like this happen in the life? Sorry, I've never seen a sex slave and never heard of such, in the way the game shows it to become.

What she will do after sending this video message? She is pregnant with a child. Luca is treating her like a garbage, he also tells her that he has another whores to fuck - you tell that this is realistic, Laura in this situation, a mother to become, will leave her husband, to grow a child alone (as Luca shows no signs that he will take her to live with him), and after she left her job; to become a single mother, just to be able to send this video message, with the purpose to increase the bad ending effect? Sorry, there's no way I can accept this as a "realistic" situation from the life. It is turning Laura - a developed character with strong personality, and we played the game maybe 40% of the time from her perspective, which were btw the best (at least for me) moments - her thoughts, her inner strugle, and the possibility to see the scenes full from her PoV - so she is turned into a NPC in the end of the game, with the purpose to bring the bad news and the bad ending. This I find for unrealistic. Because, you see, people have lifes, they don't serve the purpose to only do bad to someone, whilst losing everything by doing it. Especially when this someone is the formal husband, who did nothing bad and in no way deserved revenge, or something like this.

 

[MasksDude]

Finished the first ending and its really good I love the last part aswell, but I just kinda hate how it felt like rushed through the end it kinda felt like it was faster than normal each dialogue from Harry to Laura's perspective. or is it just the debugging doing that. but the first ending bangs but I'm still hoping that gangbang from Laura happens *-*...

and also I don't understand why NTR is all about jealousy, do you mean the players/watchers perspective? coz for me I'm all in it for the cheating part, it just hot to watch being cucked. (not in irl but in hanime) and also how the cheating has built up in this story with Laura is so good and also with rules... I hope to see more NTR, HC bless up bro

 

[ASERDDERERT]

Look lets face the fact that is NTR game and the patreons have the first say here. I agree that it was not realistic but there was no need reallity in a Porn game. Have you ever met a girl to fuck the pizza guy after delivery and after she pay for the pizza??
About the pregnancy-family with Luca no girl would want to have a kid with and treat that way to her husband (she may carry his kid thought more thatn 23% of the fathers are grow some others child and with the new law in america you can execept to that number to be even higher acording to statistics 41% of the womans cheat in their relationship the around half are short terms and a litlle leass than half lead to pregnancy).Wll Luca will keep Laura? will Luca be a good father and take on his responsibilities absoloutly not. Butt on the other hand Laura has a shelfdestructive nature that tried to hinder it under work, dominant, and self-esteem.She wanted some support the way she wanted and she did't found it and she sought that the others are responsible for her msery.So she took that action to make them feel as she does. If she was not doing that she could tried sto steal the usb she would asked help from police lawyer or Harry. And i ask to my self (what a wonderful world...just kidding) what porn whould that be if all that happend. Nothing...

I haven't really tried to imply realty when talk about games. So I'm on the same boat. Don't need "realty" in the games. Logic? Yeah. Realty? I have it already more than I want. xD
I just curious why ntr is so attractive for u, thats all. And I mean only kind of when u play as mc who cucked.
I don't say "go watch vanilla". If u are man of culture probably it is boring for u already...

About statistic: Not that I'm surprised. I mean think about it. When woman cheats on a guy. Usually guy first gets mad on the other guy with whom she cheated. Why is that? Just ask urself.

Pic very related. I think self-insertion in limited-choice fiction is retarded, so NTR never affects me on a personal level. As I mentioned before,

Ur quote of urslef is prove that ur are doing "self-insertion": "Usually for me the enjoyment of NTR is due to a masochistic inclination towards those that deserve it more than anything."...
And what I find even more silly is ur "chad" meme. Seems it is a "war" for u.

 

[gunsmithcatz]

I mean it's a porn game. I don't want to diminish your feelings or anything but I am literally here for a wank.

Very true, fair enough. But what is man if not to feel?

Ur quote of urslef is prove that ur are doing "self-insertion": "Usually for me the enjoyment of NTR is due to a masochistic inclination towards those that deserve it more than anything."...
And what I find even more silly is ur "chad" meme. Seems it is a "war" for u.

I assume English isn't your first language? Your reading comprehension needs some work.

 

[nitkonikic]

On the topic of ending, think the first one is about as satisfying as the route itself.

For me personally, scenes are good, very good, but playing as oblivious dumbass MC is not my niche so the whole route felt a bit flat.

NTR in VNs doesn't bother me in the slightest, cheating is my favorite genre so this game is perfect. But to get 1st ending you need to play a character that has no brain functions. Complete moron incapable of simplest thinking. That's why I'm hoping other routes will have better endings.

Not necessarily field of flowers, but simply MC realizing what's going on and saying "fuck this shit, I'm out" or turning around and fucking another girl.

Choices offered on different approaches seem like it might be going in that direction and I really hope at least one ending is close to what I wrote.

 

[inye59]

I haven't really tried to imply realty when talk about games. So I'm on the same boat. Don't need "realty" in the games. Logic? Yeah. Realty? I have it already more than I want. xD
I just curious why ntr is so attractive for u, thats all. And I mean only kind of when u play as mc who cucked.
I don't say "go watch vanilla". If u are man of culture probably it is boring for u already...

Logic and common sence is a big topic wich depends with the subjectivity and the perceptive of the people if we want to make a sketchy conclution to be the most people happy it would be what voltaire said " I detest what you write, but I would give my life to make it possible for you to continue to write. "

I just curious why ntr is so attractive for u, thats all. And I mean only kind of when u play as mc who cucked.
I don't say "go watch vanilla". If u are man of culture probably it is boring for u already...

For me i like the inner struggle of the female protagonist and the naivety of the main character and i like the moment of "revelation" of truth.What usually i don't like is the aftermath or the end-end and how the female lost to the dick (it's a guys orrientent game there are so few girls that we pay that theme) and i respect that i just would like to see the real reason that a girl would cheat and dumb a guy and that reasons usually are indifference,take her for granted,and you stop "claim"her
.Some are ends are awesome some are ok and some are poorly executed.The main reasons on that are two one is NTR theme is so narrow that the writer has little space for maneuverand the other is that we play and we have the perceptive on MC think your self "would i had the same reaction if the main character was Luca?"
For me the answer is NO.
I would had need for instant money for my own personal reasons (and if you ad some drama on that you would be emotional attached as a reader). I would fall in a love-lust situation with Laura and i risked my profit.The constant humiliaton of Aya that could add to your insecurity that Harry is better than you.I would share Laura with my antagonist.I'd risked for her to go to the police laywer her Boss what ever.I would take costant comparisons of how Harry is better than me unitl Laura was mine with only weapons on my arsenal to overcome all that obstacles my brain and my cock.
I don't mean by that that Luca is not a douchebag . I mean with a talent writter and with a different point of view you would have a diffent result on the exactly same story

About statistic: Not that I'm surprised. I mean think about it. When woman cheats on a guy. Usually guy first gets mad on the other guy with whom she cheated. Why is that? Just ask urself.

Thats true and is something that i didn't understant it either.If other guy knew that the girls is cheating i would "justify" the anger...

 

[ajunghw4n]

Whats wrong with self-insertion? is a valid form of enjoyment.