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I notice a tendency from the more eloquent members of the thread to go to great lenghts in justifying Lauras's behaviours (and calling her cheating a sacrifice or a quest for betterment is just that - justifying). Now, I'm not the greatest connaiseur of NTR history and sub-species and whatever, but I see NTR as being plain ole' fetishizing cheating; cheating is, at it's basic level, emotional abuse (the breaking of trust, the breach of boundaries, the taking consent away etc. Just read some real-life stories about cheating and the consequences it has to the cheated party and you'll see why it's a nasty form of abuse; there are always explanations for this form of abuse but never justification). Okay, this is just a visual novel or an almost-game so "no animals were harmed in filming..." but justifying cheating from an abstract medium is just that - justifying abuse but in an abstract form. Why not just call her as it is based on her behaviours: a person without sense of boundaries, flirting with sociopathy (she "saves" Harry by knowingly exposing him to direct abuse) and perhaps a tad of narcissism (the always trying to be in control of the narrative bit), so a toxic person. Her actions being "out of character" is irrelevant - those actions are what defines her character.
And that leads to my point: the only (proper) good ending (one in which a modicum of dignity is restored to the parties involved) would be for Laura to come clean to Harry, get the (much-needed) therapy and break contact with Luca; for Harry to cut all contact with Laura and hopefully to manage to heal in a way that doesn't make him less of an idealist; for Luca to get a form of criminal charge (the attempted blackmail and the roofie-ing being the most obvious).
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The thing about NTR is that people get most kick out of it is when pure girl that would never think of cheating ends up corrupted, twisted and enjoys cheating. This has like nothing to do with justification of cheating and everything to do with creating the ideal scenario for the kink to shine. In real life sex with another is cheating and when it is not cheating it is rape, there is no space for cheating as sacrifice because we at least believe to be living in lawful time/place, we want to believe there is always a better option. But if you read some histories from unlawful times like wartime you can find stories of woman sacrificing their body to save their family. Also in areas of extreme poverty you will have woman, man and even kids selling themselves to have money for food and medicine for themselves and loved ones. It in not strange to imagine they will not share what they are doing with their family or that family member may refuse to eat. It has nothing to do with abuse.

Good ending is relative. Imagine situation where Luca moves on, he finds himself girl he truly loves, none connected to Harry and loses interest in tormenting him, maybe they even become actual friends. Laura stops cheating and is happy with her love life with Harry. Is Harry learning the truth necessary for them to be happy ?
 
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Terix3 said:
The thing about NTR is that people get most kick out of it is when pure girl that would never think of cheating ends up corrupted, twisted and enjoys cheating. This has like nothing to do with justification of cheating and everything to do with creating the ideal scenario for the kink to shine.
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So fodder for the abuse kink. Got it. Cool.
Regarding the corruption I have that joke with the bunny that goes hunting and the bear threatens him that if the bunny will hunt in his wood it will fuck his ass, but the bunny goes on with the hunting so is fucked by the bear; and the cycle repeats with the bear threatening the bunny, the bunny hunting and getting fucked in the ass until the bear tells the bunny "You don't really come here for the hunting, aren't you".
Regarding Harry learning the truth for them to be happy - yes, that is a must. Otherwise their relationship is permanently tainted; she would always know; and this wasn't a slip up, this was a continuous, long-term affair. Also, Harry most likely will get an STD. Because that's what you get in a monogamous relationship. And, based on her character, she will either confess during a fight just to hurt Harry (remember the "weakling" call), or would find another affair partner. Yeah, it would be realistic for her to hide the affair, but it wouldn't be "good" or conductive for a happy relationship (by that I mean - you know, trust, equal footing, shared boundaries, emotional bonding, all that jazz - happy relationship)
 
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In real life sex with another is cheating and when it is not cheating it is rape, there is no space for cheating as sacrifice because we at least believe to be living in lawful time/place, we want to believe there is always a better option. But if you read some histories from unlawful times like wartime you can find stories of woman sacrificing their body to save their family. Also in areas of extreme poverty you will have woman, man and even kids selling themselves to have money for food and medicine for themselves and loved ones. It in not strange to imagine they will not share what they are doing with their family or that family member may refuse to eat. It has nothing to do with abuse.
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Also cannibalism is both legal and justified if stranded at sea. That doesn't make it acceptable in other situations.
 
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So fodder for the abuse kink. Got it. Cool.
Regarding the corruption I have that joke with the bunny that goes hunting and the bear threatens him that if the bunny will hunt in his wood it will fuck his ass, and the bunny goes on with the hunting and is fucked by the bear; and the cycle repeats with the bear threatening the bunny, the bunny hunting and getting fucked in the ass until the bear tells the bunny "You don't really come here for the hunting, aren't you".
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Entertain us with the conclusion we are supposed to draw from this.
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Regarding Harry learning the truth for them to be happy - yes, that is a must. Otherwise their relationship is permanently tainted; she would always know; and this wasn't a slip up, this was a continuous, long-term affair. Also, Harry most likely will get an STD. Because that's what you get in a monogamous relationship. And, based on her character, she will either confess during a fight just to hurt Harry (remember the "weakling" call), or would find another affair partner. Yeah, it would be realistic for her to hide the affair, but it wouldn't be "good" or conductive for a happy relationship (by that I mean - you know, trust, equal footing, shared boundaries, emotional bonding, all that jazz - happy relationship)
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You are not talking about happy relationship, you talking about ideal relationship. Truth sometimes does more harm then good. I dare say many many couples live happily without knowledge that the other side had a slip up and truth would not bring any good.

You already made up your mind here about Laura - she would give him STD, she would confess during a fight, she would find another partner. Or would she? This is just a fictional story, the obvious goal of the author is to crate a character that can do both - to be sincere and loving or fake and hateful.

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Also cannibalism is both legal and justified if stranded at sea. That doesn't make it acceptable in other situations.
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Again the goal of this fictional story is to create scenario where cannibalism is legal and justified, or cheating if you will.
 
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It's true that the artist(s) for this project (maybe not all of them, but for most scenes) aren't able to draw good looking male characters for some reason. The males are small and strangely effeminate, even when described as "rough" etc.

The narrative is also becoming more convoluted and less interesting the further it strays away from the central plot dynamic. It's still a 5/5 game, but strictly for its main story, which I see as being completed. Don't really care about the specific endings at this point.
 
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