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VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.200] [Lust & Passion]

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It feels like being in a doctor's waiting room.
So let's at least pretend we are in
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, here is some spicy... reading material to kill time before all hell breaks loose: the usual recap that tries to make (some) sense of what to expect in this release. ;)

This v0.200 is the first update for PD 14 (Day 21, Saturday) and will cover some of the morning events. "Which events?" you may ask. Well, that would make the two of us. This development cycle has been very unusual and a bit weird, mainly for two reasons.

The schedule
We have not been given an exact schedule, and the previous provisional one has not been officially confirmed. All we know is that he said "I'm probably planning to create two different alternative scenes with Sophia and Ellie. The one in case Ellie and her boyfriend Logan are still together. And the other if she broke up with him, which would be the pure lesbian route." and since then he has been quite confusing in his statements, often saying that the second event will be released in the next update, but also kind of implying that the release could cover the whole morning events.
The provisional schedule from summer 2022 was:
  1. Sophia/Ellie (Very short)
  2. Sophia/Sam (Very short)
  3. Sophia/Ellie

Now this is the breakdown of the events that collectively we could come up with:
  1. Sophia/Sam (Very short)
  2. Sophia/Ellie (Very short) still not sure whether it is maintained and/or what it could be about
  3. Sophia/Ellie is now split into two alternative versions:
    • 3.1 Sophia/Ellie in Logan's path
    • 3.2 Sophia/Ellie if Ellie broke up with Logan (pure lesbian route) will be released in the next update (v0.201 or v0.205)

Beside that, we still don't have a confirmed, official schedule for the PD. L&P has hinted that the side jobs might not be cut after all. Instead he released a provisional schedule for PD 15. All the schedules and all pieces of information for the next days are as usual here.

The new Sophia
The other big surprise right at the beginning of the development cycle is the announcement of a new Sophia's model upgrade. He converted/moved the model to Gen8 and he updated the skin textures that apparently were not up to his standards and some other tweaks. This is a big change and, as you can imagine, it sparked a lot of controversy and discussions here on the forum, to put it mildly. I'm not gonna rehash all the discussions here, if you are interested you can check the comparison of images here, they are online and you can use a slider to compare the new version with the old one like this one:
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I guess we will see how that plays out in the game.

The stats
The release features 346 renders, 3 animations and 17 pages of script. We don't know yet the split of each event in terms of number of renders, but for sure most of the renders will be for the Sophia/Ellie event.
The release covers the morning of Saturday with Sophia waking up, meeting Sam at the door and then leaving with Ellie for the spa where they will meet Tyler and Logan. This is what we know so far from the 15 teasers that have been released.

The teasers
Here are the teasers roughly organized by event.

A) Waking up
As you may recall, there were two possible alternatives for Sophia's evening activities. Either she spent the night with Dylan at the nightclub and then in the hot tub, or she watched TV before going to bed if Dylan decided to go to Christine's party.
Obviously, this has (or should have) an effect on her mood when she wakes up, as it has been hinted at in the visuals of the teasers and in their description.

1. A new day has come
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2. Reflecting on last night
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This is the first (clear) image of the new Sophia we had. For this render you can see the difference between the new model and the old one
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3. Returning to the normal course of the day
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Sophia knows that she needs to deal with the consequences of her actions, as much as she might want to bury them deep within.

It seems that there will be slightly different versions of Sophia waking up, depending on the path she took the night before. These teasers refer to the one where she spent the night with Dylan, and most likely she will be struggling with her guilt. As always, we'll see if and how she manages to rationalize her thoughts and feelings and get on with her day.
On a more frivolous note, this new sexy sheer robe adds to her impressive robe collection.


B) Sexy incident with Sam
The next batch of 3 teasers are part of Sam's very short event. L&P himself said that this event can be barely considered an event for how short it is. This is part of the cello lessons that Sam is giving to Sophia to impress her parents.
Apparently, the event will be just a little sexy incident based on a mistake.

1. Mornin' Delivery: Sophia's Naughty Surprise
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Sophia is in a morning teasing mood when the doorbell rings. Will the old parcel delivery man be able to bear the sight without going into cardiac arrest?

2. Suddenly Sophia is the surprised one
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The "naughty surprise" takes a little unexpected turn when Sam suddenly appears at the door instead of the old delivery man...

3. You like what you see?
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Sam wasn't really expecting this kind of greeting.

The event seems quite clear. Sophia is getting dressed or getting ready for a shower when she hears the doorbell and thinks it's Mr Murray, the old postman. She decides to tease him opening the door in her skimpy robe only to discover it's Sam. This should be about it for the "action" in this event. We can assume there will be maybe a kiss for Sam, possibly another "almost caught" moment if Liam is around, but it should not go further than that. If anything, it will be more about practicing.

Now, as for all the other details and speculations:
  • We don't know why Sam is at the door. Normally the lessons should take place at his house, where the cello is, although in the last event he proposed to move the lessons at her place to avoid... interruptions. Note that he does not seem to be carrying the cello with him. He probably just dropped by to arrange the time or postpone the lesson. And we don't know whether the lesson is taking place (i.e. they will be showing practicing) or not in this update.

  • L&P has been asked about the whereabouts of Liam, who is never seen in these teasers. Apparently, he is in the kitchen drinking his coffee and working a bit on his laptop. We don't know if Sophia interacts with him at all in the morning and he will play any role.

  • The most discussed aspect of this little incident is the teasing mood that the description attributes to Sophia. This has raised a lot of eyebrows, as it conflicts with the previous series of teasers in which we could see the inner struggle and guilt tormenting Sophia as she wakes up. L&P then said that according to the event of the previous night, she will answer the door in different dresses, one likely less revealing. So in Dylan's path she will at least put the bra on (or a different robe) while in the other path the player will have the choice to tease the postman.

  • Besides the context and her mood, there are two other questions that are left unanswered.
    • How does she know it's the postman? For some reason, she's convinced it's him (but we don't see his truck outside). One possibility is that she received some alert on her phone (we know she is waiting for the guitar she ordered some time ago), or she somehow knows that Liam's package is going to be delivered that day, whether she remembers the conversation with Liam during Sam's hot tub event on the night of PD 12 or Liam himself somehow told her in the morning (again a message or a conversation from the kitchen). In any case, she is firmly convinced that it is the postman.

    • Why teasing? There has been an innocent flirtation with the postman since day one of the story. What might prompt Sophia to take a step further with him is what happened when/if she accepted Nathalie's dare to answer him at the door in her lingerie in the afternoon of PD 12. We saw that in their flirtatious exchange the postman said
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      So one possibility is that Sophia takes him up on it and decides to take the teasing up another notch wearing her sheer robe without the bra. Another possibility is that, similarly to what happened with Mr. Harris (Liam's boss) the night before, Sophia somehow is using it to teach Liam a lesson or it could be part of a game of dare between them if in the kitchen they start to discuss spicing up their sex life with Cathy&Andy. More generally, it could also be that a (disappointing) discussion with Liam in the kitchen may be used as narrative device to relieve her of her guilt feeling.
  • If answering the door in the skimpy robe can only happen if she hasn't spent the night with Dylan, it will be interesting to see the impact on Sam route. If he does not get the "surprise", will the path continue anyway or this will be a moment where the two paths diverge?

  • We can expect some sort of wild thoughts from Sophia, in a similar way as it happened for Larry and Dylan toward her.


C) Sophia/Ellie (very short) ?

We don't know whether the following teaser is part of the original short event with Ellie or it is part of the longer event or... So, grain of salt ;)

Smells Like Teen Spirit
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Sophia entered the bathroom to take a shower, her eyes immediately drawn to Ellie's discarded clothes and her damp, flung-aside panties on the stool. Suddenly there was this temptation...

We are a bit clueless about this teaser. The general trope would suggest that Sophia is caught red-handed by Ellie, whether Sophia is aware of it or not. Ellie could handle the situation in many different ways, from addressing it directly and playing it to her advantage, to keeping it to herself and perhaps using it as leverage later, possibly at the spa.


D) Sophia and Ellie at the spa with Logan and Tyler
The last batch of teasers refers to the main event of the release. If Ellie has forgiven Tyler for sleeping with the blonde (PD 13), Sophia and Ellie will go to the spa where they will meet Tyler and Logan. Logan and Tyler know Sophia as Ellie's friend and they don't know that she is married, not to mention that they are mother and daughter. They do know she has a son and a daughter and now she is single.

1. Ready to go
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Ellie invited Sophia to a well-known place to relax, where her boyfriend Logan and his buddy Tyler were already waiting for them.

2. Something like this?
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Ellie asked Sophia to dress a little more sexy to come across as younger and her "friend". Sophia did her best. Of course, she also has to take off her wedding ring to be authentic.

It should be noted that for some reason Sophia is back with her old hairstyle. It's not clear why, it could be related to some technical issues. Or because it is part of a dream? :D. She is also wearing the wedding ring, which she will take off before meeting the guy, as she did for the nightclub event and, more recently, for Dylan's night out.

3. Back where it all began
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Sophia agreed to have a good time at the spa with Ellie, her boyfriend and his buddy Tyler she knows from the nightclub.

4. Having some sweaty quality time together
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Finally they all settled in the sauna, where the room was pleasantly warm and cozy.

5. Making sacrifices
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A dubious attempt to conceal the obvious truth...

6. We are just friends
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Note that Sophia and Ellie are standing while they kiss.

7. An unpleasant feeling
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Decide about Ellie's character development...

8. Last bonus appetizer before the update
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It should be noted that all teasers yet, including this one, have tended to relate to the rather "timid phase" of the scene. The teasers also don't allow any conclusions to be drawn about what will really happen.

The big question about this event is whether it will be a lesbian or a hetero event. We simply don't know. We can only try to put together the pieces of the puzzle that L&P has thrown at us.
And all revolves around the statements about the difference between this event and the one in the next update (Ellie didn't forgive Logan). He said several times that

All of this **seems** to suggest that the event in this release will also be mostly lesbian with some hetero content, as the teasers suggest (and some early spoiler confirmed it!). The animations are very likely to cover only the lesbian part. We can expect some hetero content between Sophia/Tyler or Ellie/Logan but, obviously, not penetrative sex: there could be space for groping, kissing, fondling, fingering, maybe HJ but it's difficult to think (atm) of something much more explicit than that if the main "dish" is lesbian action. Still, these are educated guesses based on the teasers and the statements. So, take it with the usual grain of salt.

As for the content of the event and the speculations:

  • Something that we do know for sure is that the main action won't happen in the sauna, but in another part of the spa. It has been suggested that it could be a massage, either given by the boys because e.g. they booked a private room , or they split up and Sophia and Ellie end up with massaging each other (or Ellie somehow arranged for her to give Sophia a massage). The possibilities are obviously endless and we didn't get any teaser about this part.

  • As for the kiss between Sophia and Ellie, this is probably something they are forced to do to prove that they are not mother and daughter: it could come up as they notice the obvious resemblance and the age difference and it could stem from the show Sophia and Patricia put on at the nightclub. It could also be that Ellie takes the initiative to "save" Sophia and/or because she is jealous of Tyler's... affections.

  • As for the last teaser, there have been many discussions (and wishful thinking) about where it could lead to and how far Tyler can go. Again, endless possibilities, from going for the "big prize" which is already almost visible (in a deja vu of the nightclub scene), to going for the towel to undo it and reach up for the "girls". Others suggested that the moment he reaches between her legs Sophia will stop and leave the sauna followed by Ellie who will try to calm her down. Of course, the trademark interruption by someone else entering the sauna is always a possibility.

  • Story-wise, it will be interesting to see if Ellie will ever tell Sophia that Logan cheated on her the day before. This should worry Sophia, who already dislikes the guy. This could be part of what seems to be an important decision to be made in the teaser "An unpleasant feeling". Sophia may have to decide whether or not to interfere in Ellie's relationship to prevent her from getting into a toxic one. And we'll see if that variable ellie_bitch will be used again and/or there will be points associated with Sophia's decision. Just as a reminder, the points associated with this variable were given when/if Sophia let the masseur grope (twice) Ellie during the massage in the same spa on PD8/day 15. Sophia letting Ellie and Logan continue in their public display may increase the counter and lead to a more sexual depiction of Ellie in the future. Also let them continue may also mean Sophia letting herself go with Tyler, at least until there is an interruption or something happen. And maybe continuing on this hetero branch in the future there will be other double dates with the guys (e.g. PD 16/Monday).

  • Another aspect to consider, if it is indeed a lesbian scene, is how Sophia will deal with the idea of getting more intimate with Ellie. She already has to deal with the guilt for what happened with Dylan and now she is facing a similar situation with her other child. And, on the same line, how they actually transition from the hetero event to a lesbian one and if there will be any sex-ed spin to justify it.


How to get the event.

Well, this is gonna be a tough one as we are not sure of all the events and all possible alternative events. I will break down the requirements for each event according to the schedule that we believe to be the most likely. Keep in mind that there is some guesswork involved. At least the spa event will be playable from the gallery, the others being very short events, they may not be.

As usual, if you don't have the saves and you still want to play it normally with all the options, you might need to set some variables in order to get the event. You can set the variable values with Renpy console, the
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⚠ there is no guarantee that the following works, so it is up to you. The best choice is to use the Universal Renpy Mod and start from your last save from v0.190 or v0.195.

Waking up and Sam
VariableValueMeaning
day20_Dylan_goes_to_Christines_partyTrueif you want to see sexy incident at the door
day20_Sophia_finished_Dylan_handjobTrueif you want to see her guilty thoughts about last night (the previous day20_Dylan_goes_to_Christines_party must be False)
day19_Sophia_pleased_with_Nathalies_serviceTrueSophia opened the door in her lingerie and flirted with Mr. Murray
day20_Sophia_continues_romance_with_SamTrueThis is probably needed to have Sam ringing at the door
sam>60The more the better
filthy > good_wifee.g. set filthy to 1000, it does not matter as long as the condition is metThis is usually needed to have the more daring choices.
ellie>=29They might be needed for letting Sophia sniff her panties.
lesbian>=35They might be needed for letting Sophia sniff her panties.


At the spa with Ellie on Logan's route
VariableValueMeaning
ellie>=29This are the max point that can be collected with Ellie so far.
lesbian>=35The more the better.
day19_Sophia_talked_with_Ellie_about_her_big_dildoTruethis is the only outcome/variable set from the last interaction with Ellie (the shower on PD12)
day20_Ellie_doesnt_forgive_LoganFalseThis is necessary for this version of the event
filthy > good_wifee.g. set filthy to 1000, it does not matter as long as the condition is metThis is usually needed to have the more daring choices.
ellie_bitch2just in case
 
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xxxorro said:
It feels like being in the doctor waiting room.
So let's at least pretend we are in
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, here is something to read to kill the time before all hell breaks loose: the usual recap that tries to make (some) sense of what to expect in this release. ;)

This v0.200 is the first update for PD 14 (Day 21, Saturday) and will cover some of the morning events. "Which events?" you may ask. Well, that would make the two of us. This development cycle has been very unusual and a bit weird, mainly for two reasons.

The schedule
We have not been given an exact schedule, and the previous provisional one has not been officially confirmed. All we know is that he said "I'm probably planning to create two different alternative scenes with Sophia and Ellie. The one in case Ellie and her boyfriend Logan are still together. And the other if she broke up with him, which would be the pure lesbian route." and since then he has been quite confusing in his statements, often saying that the second event will be released in the next update, but also kind of implying that the release could cover the whole morning events.
The provisional schedule from summer 2022 was:
  1. Sophia/Ellie (Very short)
  2. Sophia/Sam (Very short)
  3. Sophia/Ellie

Now this is the breakdown of the events that collectively we could come up with:
  1. Sophia/Sam (Very short)
  2. Sophia/Ellie (Very short) still not sure whether it is maintained and/or what it could be about
  3. Sophia/Ellie is now split into two alternative versions:
    • 3.1 Sophia/Ellie in Logan's path
    • 3.2 Sophia/Ellie if Ellie broke up with Logan (pure lesbian route) will be released in the next update (v0.201 or v0.205)

Beside that, we still don't have a confirmed, official schedule for the PD. L&P has hinted that the side jobs might not be cut after all. Instead he released a provisional schedule for PD 15. All the schedules and all pieces of information for the next days are as usual here.

The new Sophia
The other big surprise right at the beginning of the development cycle is the announcement of a new Sophia's model upgrade. He converted/moved the model to Gen8 and he updated the skin textures that apparently were not up to his standards and some other tweaks. This is a big change and, as you can imagine, it sparked a lot of controversy and discussions here on the forum, to put it mildly. I'm not gonna rehash all the discussions here, if you are interested you can check the comparison of images here, they are online and you can use a slider to compare the new version with the old one like this one:
View attachment 3587215
I guess we will see how that plays out in the game.

The stats
The release features 346 renders, 3 animations and 17 pages of script. We don't know yet the split of each event in terms of number of renders, but for sure most of the renders will be for the Sophia/Ellie event.
The release covers the morning of Saturday with Sophia waking up, meeting Sam at the door and then leaving with Ellie for the spa where they will meet Tyler and Logan. This is what we know so far from the 15 teasers that have been released.

The teasers
Here are the teasers roughly organized by event.

A) Waking up
As you may recall, there were two possible alternatives for Sophia's evening activities. Either she spent the night with Dylan at the nightclub and then in the hot tub, or she watched TV before going to bed if Dylan decided to go to Christine's party.
Obviously, this has (or should have) an effect on her mood when she wakes up, as it has been hinted at in the visuals of the teasers and in their description.

1. A new day has come
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2. Reflecting on last night
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This is the first (clear) image of the new Sophia we had. For this render you can see the difference between the new model and the old one
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3. Returning to the normal course of the day
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Sophia knows that she needs to deal with the consequences of her actions, as much as she might want to bury them deep within.

It seems that there will be slightly different versions of Sophia waking up, depending on the path she took the night before. These teasers refer to the one where she spent the night with Dylan, and most likely she will be struggling with her guilt. As always, we'll see if and how she manages to rationalize her thoughts and feelings and get on with her day.
On a more frivolous note, this new sexy sheer robe adds to her impressive robe collection.


B) Sexy incident with Sam
The next batch of 3 teasers are part of Sam's very short event. L&P himself said that this event can be barely considered an event for how short it is. This is part of the cello lessons that Sam is giving to Sophia to impress her parents.
Apparently, the event will be just a little sexy incident based on a mistake.

1. Mornin' Delivery: Sophia's Naughty Surprise
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Sophia is in a morning teasing mood when the doorbell rings. Will the old parcel delivery man be able to bear the sight without going into cardiac arrest?

2. Suddenly Sophia is the surprised one
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The "naughty surprise" takes a little unexpected turn when Sam suddenly appears at the door instead of the old delivery man...

3. You like what you see?
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Sam wasn't really expecting this kind of greeting.

The event seems quite clear. Sophia is getting dressed or getting ready for a shower when she hears the doorbell and thinks it's Mr Murray, the old postman. She decides to tease him opening the door in her skimpy robe only to discover it's Sam. This should be about it for the "action" in this event. We can assume there will be maybe a kiss for Sam, possibly another "almost caught" moment if Liam is around, but it should not go further than that. If anything, it will be more about practicing.

Now, as for all the other details and speculations:
  • We don't know why Sam is at the door. Normally the lessons should take place at his house, where the cello is, although in the last event he proposed to move the lessons at her place to avoid... interruptions. Note that he does not seem to be carrying the cello with him. He probably just dropped by to arrange the time or postpone the lesson. And we don't know whether the lesson is taking place (i.e. they will be showing practicing) or not in this update.

  • L&P has been asked about the whereabouts of Liam, who is never seen in these teasers. Apparently, he is in the kitchen drinking his coffee and working a bit on his laptop. We don't know if Sophia interacts with him at all in the morning and he will play any role.

  • The most discussed aspect of this little incident is the teasing mood that the description attributes to Sophia. This has raised a lot of eyebrows, as it conflicts with the previous series of teasers in which we could see the inner struggle and guilt tormenting Sophia as she wakes up. L&P then said that according to the event of the previous night, she will answer the door in different dresses, one likely less revealing. So in Dylan's path she will at least put the bra on (or a different robe) while in the other path the player will have the choice to tease the postman.

  • Besides the context and her mood, there are two other questions that are left unanswered.
    • How does she know it's the postman? For some reason, she's convinced it's him (but we don't see his truck outside). One possibility is that she received some alert on her phone (we know she is waiting for the guitar she ordered some time ago), or she somehow knows that Liam's package is going to be delivered that day, whether she remembers the conversation with Liam during Sam's hot tub event on the night of PD 12 or Liam himself somehow told her in the morning (again a message or a conversation from the kitchen). In any case, she is firmly convinced that it is the postman.

    • Why teasing? There has been an innocent flirtation with the postman since day one of the story. What might prompt Sophia to take a step further with him is what happened when/if she accepted Nathalie's dare to answer him at the door in her lingerie in the afternoon of PD 12. We saw that in their flirtatious exchange the postman said
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      So one possibility is that Sophia takes him up on it and decides to take the teasing up another notch wearing her sheer robe without the bra. Another possibility is that, similarly to what happened with Mr. Harris (Liam's boss) the night before, Sophia somehow is using it to teach Liam a lesson or it could be part of a game of dare between them if in the kitchen they start to discuss spicing up their sex life with Cathy&Andy. More generally, it could also be that a (disappointing) discussion with Liam in the kitchen may be used as narrative device to relieve her of her guilt feeling.
  • If answering the door in the skimpy robe can only happen if she hasn't spent the night with Dylan, it will be interesting to see the impact on Sam route. If he does not get the "surprise", will the path continue anyway or this will be a moment where the two paths diverge?

  • We can expect some sort of wild thoughts from Sophia, in a similar way as it happened for Larry and Dylan toward her.


C) Sophia/Ellie (very short) ?

We don't know whether the following teaser is part of the original short event with Ellie or it is part of the longer event or... So, grain of salt ;)

Smells Like Teen Spirit
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Sophia entered the bathroom to take a shower, her eyes immediately drawn to Ellie's discarded clothes and her damp, flung-aside panties on the stool. Suddenly there was this temptation...

We are a bit clueless about this teaser. The general trope would suggest that Sophia is caught red-handed by Ellie, whether Sophia is aware of it or not. Ellie could handle the situation in many different ways, from addressing it directly and playing it to his advantage, to keeping it to herself and perhaps using it as leverage later, possibly at the spa.


D) Sophia and Ellie at the spa with Logan and Tyler
The last batch of teasers refers to the main event of the release. If Ellie has forgiven Tyler for sleeping with the blonde (PD 13), Sophia and Ellie will go to the spa where they will meet Tyler and Logan. Logan and Tyler know Sophia as Ellie's friend and they don't know that she is married, not to mention that they are mother and daughter.

1. Ready to go
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Ellie invited Sophia to a well-known place to relax, where her boyfriend Logan and his buddy Tyler were already waiting for them.

2. Something like this?
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Ellie asked Sophia to dress a little more sexy to come across as younger and her "friend". Sophia did her best. Of course, she also has to take off her wedding ring to be authentic.

It should be noted that for some reason Sophia is back with her old hairstyle. It's not clear why, it could be related to some technical issues. Or because it is part of a dream? :D. She is also wearing the wedding ring, which she will take off before meeting the guy, as she did for the nightclub event and, more recently, for Dylan's night out.

3. Back where it all began
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Sophia agreed to have a good time at the spa with Ellie, her boyfriend and his buddy Tyler she knows from the nightclub.

4. Having some sweaty quality time together
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Finally they all settled in the sauna, where the room was pleasantly warm and cozy.

5. Making sacrifices
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A dubious attempt to conceal the obvious truth...

6. We are just friends
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Note that Sophia and Ellie are standing while they kiss.

7. An unpleasant feeling
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Decide about Ellie's character development...

8. Last bonus appetizer before the update
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It should be noted that all teasers yet, including this one, have tended to relate to the rather "timid phase" of the scene. The teasers also don't allow any conclusions to be drawn about what will really happen.

The big question about this event is whether it will be a lesbian or a hetero event. We simply don't know. We can only try to put together the pieces of the puzzle that L&P has thrown at us.
And all revolves around the statements about the difference between this event and the one in the next update (Ellie didn't forgive Logan). He said several times that

All of this **seems** to suggest that the event in this release will also be mostly lesbian with some hetero content, as the teasers suggest (and some early spoiler confirmed it!). The animations are very likely to cover only the lesbian part. We can expect some hetero content between Sophia/Tyler or Ellie/Logan but, obviously, not penetrative sex: there could be space for groping, kissing, fondling, fingering, maybe HJ but it's difficult to think (atm) of something much more explicit than that if the main "dish" is lesbian action. Still, these are educated guesses based on the teasers and the statements. So, take it with the usual grain of salt.

As for the content of the event and the speculations:

  • Something that we do know for sure is that the main action won't happen in the sauna, but in another part of the spa. It has been suggested that it could be a massage, either given by the boys because e.g. they booked a private room, or they [URL='https://f95zone.to/threads/a-wife-and-mother-offtopic-discussion.111628/post-13234210']split up and Sophia and Ellie end up with massaging each other (or Ellie somehow arranged for her to give Sophia a massage). The possibilities are obviously endless and we didn't get any teaser about this part.

  • As for the kiss between Sophia and Ellie, this is probably something they are forced to do to prove that they are not mother and daughter: it could come up as they notice the obvious resemblance and the age difference and it could stem from the show Sophia and Patricia put on at the nightclub. It could also be that Ellie takes the initiative to "save" Sophia and/or because she is jealous of Tyler's... affections.

  • As for the last teaser, there have been many discussions (and wishful thinking) about where it could lead to and how far Tyler can go. Again, endless possibilities, from going for the "big prize" which is already almost visible (in a deja vu of the nightclub scene), to going for the towel to undo it and reach up for the "girls". Others suggested that the moment he reaches between her legs Sophia will stop and leave the sauna followed by Ellie who will try to calm her down. Of course, the trademark interruption by someone else entering the sauna is always a possibility.

  • Story-wise, it will be interesting to see if Ellie will ever tell Sophia that Logan cheated on her the day before. This should worry Sophia, who already dislikes the guy. This could be part of what seems to be an important decision to be made in the teaser "An unpleasant feeling". Sophia may have to decide whether or not to interfere in Ellie's relationship to prevent her from getting into a toxic one. And we'll see if that variable ellie_bitch will be used again and/or there will be points associated with Sophia's decision. Just as a reminder, the points associated with this variable were given when/if Sophia let the masseur grope (twice) Ellie during the massage in the same spa on day 15. Sophia letting Ellie and Logan continue in their public display may increase the counter and lead to a more sexual depiction of Ellie in the future.

  • Another aspect to consider, if it is indeed a lesbian scene, is how Sophia will deal with the idea of getting more intimate with Ellie. She already has to deal with the guilt for what happened with Dylan and now she is facing a similar situation with her other child. And, on the same line, how they actually transition from the hetero event to a lesbian one and if there will be any sex-ed spin to justify it.


How to get the event.

Well, this is gonna be a tough one as we are not sure of all the events and all possible alternative events. I will break down the requirements for each event according to the schedule that we believe to be the most likely. Keep in mind that there is some guesswork involved. At least the spa event will be playable from the gallery, the others being very short events, they may not be.

As usual, if you don't have the saves and you still want to play it normally with all the options, you might need to set some variables in order to get the event. You can set the variable values with Renpy console, the
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Waking up and Sam
VariableValueMeaning
day20_Dylan_goes_to_Christines_partyTrueif you want to see sexy incident at the door
day20_Sophia_finished_Dylan_handjobTrueif you want to see her guilty thoughts about last night (the previous day20_Dylan_goes_to_Christines_party must be False)
day19_Sophia_pleased_with_Nathalies_serviceTrueSophia opened the door in her lingerie and flirted with Mr. Murray
day20_Sophia_continues_romance_with_SamTrueThis is probably needed to have Sam ringing at the door
sam>60The more the better
filthy > good_wifee.g. set filthy to 1000, it does not matter as long as the condition is metThis is usually needed to have the more daring choices.
ellie>=29They might be needed for letting Sophia sniff her panties.
lesbian>=35They might be needed for letting Sophia sniff her panties.


At the spa with Ellie on Logan's route
VariableValueMeaning
ellie>=29This are the max point that can be collected with Ellie so far.
lesbian>=35The more the better.
day19_Sophia_talked_with_Ellie_about_her_big_dildoTruethis is the only outcome/variable set from the last interaction with Ellie (the shower on PD12)
day20_Ellie_doesnt_forgive_LoganFalseThis is necessary for this version of the event
filthy > good_wifee.g. set filthy to 1000, it does not matter as long as the condition is metThis is usually needed to have the more daring choices.
ellie_bitch2just in case
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, here is something to read to kill the time before all hell breaks loose: the usual recap that tries to make (some) sense of what to expect in this release. ;)

This v0.200 is the first update for PD 14 (Day 21, Saturday) and will cover some of the morning events. "Which events?" you may ask. Well, that would make the two of us. This development cycle has been very unusual and a bit weird, mainly for two reasons.

The schedule
We have not been given an exact schedule, and the previous provisional one has not been officially confirmed. All we know is that he said "I'm probably planning to create two different alternative scenes with Sophia and Ellie. The one in case Ellie and her boyfriend Logan are still together. And the other if she broke up with him, which would be the pure lesbian route." and since then he has been quite confusing in his statements, often saying that the second event will be released in the next update, but also kind of implying that the release could cover the whole morning events.
The provisional schedule from summer 2022 was:
  1. Sophia/Ellie (Very short)
  2. Sophia/Sam (Very short)
  3. Sophia/Ellie

Now this is the breakdown of the events that collectively we could come up with:
  1. Sophia/Sam (Very short)
  2. Sophia/Ellie (Very short) still not sure whether it is maintained and/or what it could be about
  3. Sophia/Ellie is now split into two alternative versions:
    • 3.1 Sophia/Ellie in Logan's path
    • 3.2 Sophia/Ellie if Ellie broke up with Logan (pure lesbian route) will be released in the next update (v0.201 or v0.205)

Beside that, we still don't have a confirmed, official schedule for the PD. L&P has hinted that the side jobs might not be cut after all. Instead he released a provisional schedule for PD 15. All the schedules and all pieces of information for the next days are as usual here.

The new Sophia
The other big surprise right at the beginning of the development cycle is the announcement of a new Sophia's model upgrade. He converted/moved the model to Gen8 and he updated the skin textures that apparently were not up to his standards and some other tweaks. This is a big change and, as you can imagine, it sparked a lot of controversy and discussions here on the forum, to put it mildly. I'm not gonna rehash all the discussions here, if you are interested you can check the comparison of images here, they are online and you can use a slider to compare the new version with the old one like this one:
View attachment 3587215
I guess we will see how that plays out in the game.

The stats
The release features 346 renders, 3 animations and 17 pages of script. We don't know yet the split of each event in terms of number of renders, but for sure most of the renders will be for the Sophia/Ellie event.
The release covers the morning of Saturday with Sophia waking up, meeting Sam at the door and then leaving with Ellie for the spa where they will meet Tyler and Logan. This is what we know so far from the 15 teasers that have been released.

The teasers
Here are the teasers roughly organized by event.

A) Waking up
As you may recall, there were two possible alternatives for Sophia's evening activities. Either she spent the night with Dylan at the nightclub and then in the hot tub, or she watched TV before going to bed if Dylan decided to go to Christine's party.
Obviously, this has (or should have) an effect on her mood when she wakes up, as it has been hinted at in the visuals of the teasers and in their description.

1. A new day has come
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2. Reflecting on last night
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This is the first (clear) image of the new Sophia we had. For this render you can see the difference between the new model and the old one
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3. Returning to the normal course of the day
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Sophia knows that she needs to deal with the consequences of her actions, as much as she might want to bury them deep within.

It seems that there will be slightly different versions of Sophia waking up, depending on the path she took the night before. These teasers refer to the one where she spent the night with Dylan, and most likely she will be struggling with her guilt. As always, we'll see if and how she manages to rationalize her thoughts and feelings and get on with her day.
On a more frivolous note, this new sexy sheer robe adds to her impressive robe collection.


B) Sexy incident with Sam
The next batch of 3 teasers are part of Sam's very short event. L&P himself said that this event can be barely considered an event for how short it is. This is part of the cello lessons that Sam is giving to Sophia to impress her parents.
Apparently, the event will be just a little sexy incident based on a mistake.

1. Mornin' Delivery: Sophia's Naughty Surprise
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Sophia is in a morning teasing mood when the doorbell rings. Will the old parcel delivery man be able to bear the sight without going into cardiac arrest?

2. Suddenly Sophia is the surprised one
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The "naughty surprise" takes a little unexpected turn when Sam suddenly appears at the door instead of the old delivery man...

3. You like what you see?
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Sam wasn't really expecting this kind of greeting.

The event seems quite clear. Sophia is getting dressed or getting ready for a shower when she hears the doorbell and thinks it's Mr Murray, the old postman. She decides to tease him opening the door in her skimpy robe only to discover it's Sam. This should be about it for the "action" in this event. We can assume there will be maybe a kiss for Sam, possibly another "almost caught" moment if Liam is around, but it should not go further than that. If anything, it will be more about practicing.

Now, as for all the other details and speculations:
  • We don't know why Sam is at the door. Normally the lessons should take place at his house, where the cello is, although in the last event he proposed to move the lessons at her place to avoid... interruptions. Note that he does not seem to be carrying the cello with him. He probably just dropped by to arrange the time or postpone the lesson. And we don't know whether the lesson is taking place (i.e. they will be showing practicing) or not in this update.

  • L&P has been asked about the whereabouts of Liam, who is never seen in these teasers. Apparently, he is in the kitchen drinking his coffee and working a bit on his laptop. We don't know if Sophia interacts with him at all in the morning and he will play any role.

  • The most discussed aspect of this little incident is the teasing mood that the description attributes to Sophia. This has raised a lot of eyebrows, as it conflicts with the previous series of teasers in which we could see the inner struggle and guilt tormenting Sophia as she wakes up. L&P then said that according to the event of the previous night, she will answer the door in different dresses, one likely less revealing. So in Dylan's path she will at least put the bra on (or a different robe) while in the other path the player will have the choice to tease the postman.

  • Besides the context and her mood, there are two other questions that are left unanswered.
    • How does she know it's the postman? For some reason, she's convinced it's him (but we don't see his truck outside). One possibility is that she received some alert on her phone (we know she is waiting for the guitar she ordered some time ago), or she somehow knows that Liam's package is going to be delivered that day, whether she remembers the conversation with Liam during Sam's hot tub event on the night of PD 12 or Liam himself somehow told her in the morning (again a message or a conversation from the kitchen). In any case, she is firmly convinced that it is the postman.

    • Why teasing? There has been an innocent flirtation with the postman since day one of the story. What might prompt Sophia to take a step further with him is what happened when/if she accepted Nathalie's dare to answer him at the door in her lingerie in the afternoon of PD 12. We saw that in their flirtatious exchange the postman said
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      So one possibility is that Sophia takes him up on it and decides to take the teasing up another notch wearing her sheer robe without the bra. Another possibility is that, similarly to what happened with Mr. Harris (Liam's boss) the night before, Sophia somehow is using it to teach Liam a lesson or it could be part of a game of dare between them if in the kitchen they start to discuss spicing up their sex life with Cathy&Andy. More generally, it could also be that a (disappointing) discussion with Liam in the kitchen may be used as narrative device to relieve her of her guilt feeling.
  • If answering the door in the skimpy robe can only happen if she hasn't spent the night with Dylan, it will be interesting to see the impact on Sam route. If he does not get the "surprise", will the path continue anyway or this will be a moment where the two paths diverge?

  • We can expect some sort of wild thoughts from Sophia, in a similar way as it happened for Larry and Dylan toward her.


C) Sophia/Ellie (very short) ?

We don't know whether the following teaser is part of the original short event with Ellie or it is part of the longer event or... So, grain of salt ;)

Smells Like Teen Spirit
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Sophia entered the bathroom to take a shower, her eyes immediately drawn to Ellie's discarded clothes and her damp, flung-aside panties on the stool. Suddenly there was this temptation...

We are a bit clueless about this teaser. The general trope would suggest that Sophia is caught red-handed by Ellie, whether Sophia is aware of it or not. Ellie could handle the situation in many different ways, from addressing it directly and playing it to his advantage, to keeping it to herself and perhaps using it as leverage later, possibly at the spa.


D) Sophia and Ellie at the spa with Logan and Tyler
The last batch of teasers refers to the main event of the release. If Ellie has forgiven Tyler for sleeping with the blonde (PD 13), Sophia and Ellie will go to the spa where they will meet Tyler and Logan. Logan and Tyler know Sophia as Ellie's friend and they don't know that she is married, not to mention that they are mother and daughter.

1. Ready to go
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Ellie invited Sophia to a well-known place to relax, where her boyfriend Logan and his buddy Tyler were already waiting for them.

2. Something like this?
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Ellie asked Sophia to dress a little more sexy to come across as younger and her "friend". Sophia did her best. Of course, she also has to take off her wedding ring to be authentic.

It should be noted that for some reason Sophia is back with her old hairstyle. It's not clear why, it could be related to some technical issues. Or because it is part of a dream? :D. She is also wearing the wedding ring, which she will take off before meeting the guy, as she did for the nightclub event and, more recently, for Dylan's night out.

3. Back where it all began
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Sophia agreed to have a good time at the spa with Ellie, her boyfriend and his buddy Tyler she knows from the nightclub.

4. Having some sweaty quality time together
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Finally they all settled in the sauna, where the room was pleasantly warm and cozy.

5. Making sacrifices
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A dubious attempt to conceal the obvious truth...

6. We are just friends
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Note that Sophia and Ellie are standing while they kiss.

7. An unpleasant feeling
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Decide about Ellie's character development...

8. Last bonus appetizer before the update
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It should be noted that all teasers yet, including this one, have tended to relate to the rather "timid phase" of the scene. The teasers also don't allow any conclusions to be drawn about what will really happen.

The big question about this event is whether it will be a lesbian or a hetero event. We simply don't know. We can only try to put together the pieces of the puzzle that L&P has thrown at us.
And all revolves around the statements about the difference between this event and the one in the next update (Ellie didn't forgive Logan). He said several times that

All of this **seems** to suggest that the event in this release will also be mostly lesbian with some hetero content, as the teasers suggest (and some early spoiler confirmed it!). The animations are very likely to cover only the lesbian part. We can expect some hetero content between Sophia/Tyler or Ellie/Logan but, obviously, not penetrative sex: there could be space for groping, kissing, fondling, fingering, maybe HJ but it's difficult to think (atm) of something much more explicit than that if the main "dish" is lesbian action. Still, these are educated guesses based on the teasers and the statements. So, take it with the usual grain of salt.

As for the content of the event and the speculations:

  • Something that we do know for sure is that the main action won't happen in the sauna, but in another part of the spa. It has been suggested that it could be a massage, either given by the boys because e.g. they booked a private room, or they [URL='https://f95zone.to/threads/a-wife-and-mother-offtopic-discussion.111628/post-13234210']split up and Sophia and Ellie end up with massaging each other (or Ellie somehow arranged for her to give Sophia a massage). The possibilities are obviously endless and we didn't get any teaser about this part.

  • As for the kiss between Sophia and Ellie, this is probably something they are forced to do to prove that they are not mother and daughter: it could come up as they notice the obvious resemblance and the age difference and it could stem from the show Sophia and Patricia put on at the nightclub. It could also be that Ellie takes the initiative to "save" Sophia and/or because she is jealous of Tyler's... affections.

  • As for the last teaser, there have been many discussions (and wishful thinking) about where it could lead to and how far Tyler can go. Again, endless possibilities, from going for the "big prize" which is already almost visible (in a deja vu of the nightclub scene), to going for the towel to undo it and reach up for the "girls". Others suggested that the moment he reaches between her legs Sophia will stop and leave the sauna followed by Ellie who will try to calm her down. Of course, the trademark interruption by someone else entering the sauna is always a possibility.

  • Story-wise, it will be interesting to see if Ellie will ever tell Sophia that Logan cheated on her the day before. This should worry Sophia, who already dislikes the guy. This could be part of what seems to be an important decision to be made in the teaser "An unpleasant feeling". Sophia may have to decide whether or not to interfere in Ellie's relationship to prevent her from getting into a toxic one. And we'll see if that variable ellie_bitch will be used again and/or there will be points associated with Sophia's decision. Just as a reminder, the points associated with this variable were given when/if Sophia let the masseur grope (twice) Ellie during the massage in the same spa on day 15. Sophia letting Ellie and Logan continue in their public display may increase the counter and lead to a more sexual depiction of Ellie in the future.

  • Another aspect to consider, if it is indeed a lesbian scene, is how Sophia will deal with the idea of getting more intimate with Ellie. She already has to deal with the guilt for what happened with Dylan and now she is facing a similar situation with her other child. And, on the same line, how they actually transition from the hetero event to a lesbian one and if there will be any sex-ed spin to justify it.


How to get the event.

Well, this is gonna be a tough one as we are not sure of all the events and all possible alternative events. I will break down the requirements for each event according to the schedule that we believe to be the most likely. Keep in mind that there is some guesswork involved. At least the spa event will be playable from the gallery, the others being very short events, they may not be.

As usual, if you don't have the saves and you still want to play it normally with all the options, you might need to set some variables in order to get the event. You can set the variable values with Renpy console, the
You must be registered to see the links
, or the Universal Renpy Mod.


Waking up and Sam
VariableValueMeaning
day20_Dylan_goes_to_Christines_partyTrueif you want to see sexy incident at the door
day20_Sophia_finished_Dylan_handjobTrueif you want to see her guilty thoughts about last night (the previous day20_Dylan_goes_to_Christines_party must be False)
day19_Sophia_pleased_with_Nathalies_serviceTrueSophia opened the door in her lingerie and flirted with Mr. Murray
day20_Sophia_continues_romance_with_SamTrueThis is probably needed to have Sam ringing at the door
sam>60The more the better
filthy > good_wifee.g. set filthy to 1000, it does not matter as long as the condition is metThis is usually needed to have the more daring choices.
ellie>=29They might be needed for letting Sophia sniff her panties.
lesbian>=35They might be needed for letting Sophia sniff her panties.


At the spa with Ellie on Logan's route
VariableValueMeaning
ellie>=29This are the max point that can be collected with Ellie so far.
lesbian>=35The more the better.
day19_Sophia_talked_with_Ellie_about_her_big_dildoTruethis is the only outcome/variable set from the last interaction with Ellie (the shower on PD12)
day20_Ellie_doesnt_forgive_LoganFalseThis is necessary for this version of the event
filthy > good_wifee.g. set filthy to 1000, it does not matter as long as the condition is metThis is usually needed to have the more daring choices.
ellie_bitch2just in case
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xxxorro said:
It feels like being in the doctor waiting room.
So let's at least pretend we are in
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, here is something to read to kill the time before all hell breaks loose: the usual recap that tries to make (some) sense of what to expect in this release. ;)

This v0.200 is the first update for PD 14 (Day 21, Saturday) and will cover some of the morning events. "Which events?" you may ask. Well, that would make the two of us. This development cycle has been very unusual and a bit weird, mainly for two reasons.

The schedule
We have not been given an exact schedule, and the previous provisional one has not been officially confirmed. All we know is that he said "I'm probably planning to create two different alternative scenes with Sophia and Ellie. The one in case Ellie and her boyfriend Logan are still together. And the other if she broke up with him, which would be the pure lesbian route." and since then he has been quite confusing in his statements, often saying that the second event will be released in the next update, but also kind of implying that the release could cover the whole morning events.
The provisional schedule from summer 2022 was:
  1. Sophia/Ellie (Very short)
  2. Sophia/Sam (Very short)
  3. Sophia/Ellie

Now this is the breakdown of the events that collectively we could come up with:
  1. Sophia/Sam (Very short)
  2. Sophia/Ellie (Very short) still not sure whether it is maintained and/or what it could be about
  3. Sophia/Ellie is now split into two alternative versions:
    • 3.1 Sophia/Ellie in Logan's path
    • 3.2 Sophia/Ellie if Ellie broke up with Logan (pure lesbian route) will be released in the next update (v0.201 or v0.205)

Beside that, we still don't have a confirmed, official schedule for the PD. L&P has hinted that the side jobs might not be cut after all. Instead he released a provisional schedule for PD 15. All the schedules and all pieces of information for the next days are as usual here.

The new Sophia
The other big surprise right at the beginning of the development cycle is the announcement of a new Sophia's model upgrade. He converted/moved the model to Gen8 and he updated the skin textures that apparently were not up to his standards and some other tweaks. This is a big change and, as you can imagine, it sparked a lot of controversy and discussions here on the forum, to put it mildly. I'm not gonna rehash all the discussions here, if you are interested you can check the comparison of images here, they are online and you can use a slider to compare the new version with the old one like this one:
View attachment 3587215
I guess we will see how that plays out in the game.

The stats
The release features 346 renders, 3 animations and 17 pages of script. We don't know yet the split of each event in terms of number of renders, but for sure most of the renders will be for the Sophia/Ellie event.
The release covers the morning of Saturday with Sophia waking up, meeting Sam at the door and then leaving with Ellie for the spa where they will meet Tyler and Logan. This is what we know so far from the 15 teasers that have been released.

The teasers
Here are the teasers roughly organized by event.

A) Waking up
As you may recall, there were two possible alternatives for Sophia's evening activities. Either she spent the night with Dylan at the nightclub and then in the hot tub, or she watched TV before going to bed if Dylan decided to go to Christine's party.
Obviously, this has (or should have) an effect on her mood when she wakes up, as it has been hinted at in the visuals of the teasers and in their description.

1. A new day has come
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2. Reflecting on last night
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This is the first (clear) image of the new Sophia we had. For this render you can see the difference between the new model and the old one
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3. Returning to the normal course of the day
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Sophia knows that she needs to deal with the consequences of her actions, as much as she might want to bury them deep within.

It seems that there will be slightly different versions of Sophia waking up, depending on the path she took the night before. These teasers refer to the one where she spent the night with Dylan, and most likely she will be struggling with her guilt. As always, we'll see if and how she manages to rationalize her thoughts and feelings and get on with her day.
On a more frivolous note, this new sexy sheer robe adds to her impressive robe collection.


B) Sexy incident with Sam
The next batch of 3 teasers are part of Sam's very short event. L&P himself said that this event can be barely considered an event for how short it is. This is part of the cello lessons that Sam is giving to Sophia to impress her parents.
Apparently, the event will be just a little sexy incident based on a mistake.

1. Mornin' Delivery: Sophia's Naughty Surprise
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Sophia is in a morning teasing mood when the doorbell rings. Will the old parcel delivery man be able to bear the sight without going into cardiac arrest?

2. Suddenly Sophia is the surprised one
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The "naughty surprise" takes a little unexpected turn when Sam suddenly appears at the door instead of the old delivery man...

3. You like what you see?
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Sam wasn't really expecting this kind of greeting.

The event seems quite clear. Sophia is getting dressed or getting ready for a shower when she hears the doorbell and thinks it's Mr Murray, the old postman. She decides to tease him opening the door in her skimpy robe only to discover it's Sam. This should be about it for the "action" in this event. We can assume there will be maybe a kiss for Sam, possibly another "almost caught" moment if Liam is around, but it should not go further than that. If anything, it will be more about practicing.

Now, as for all the other details and speculations:
  • We don't know why Sam is at the door. Normally the lessons should take place at his house, where the cello is, although in the last event he proposed to move the lessons at her place to avoid... interruptions. Note that he does not seem to be carrying the cello with him. He probably just dropped by to arrange the time or postpone the lesson. And we don't know whether the lesson is taking place (i.e. they will be showing practicing) or not in this update.

  • L&P has been asked about the whereabouts of Liam, who is never seen in these teasers. Apparently, he is in the kitchen drinking his coffee and working a bit on his laptop. We don't know if Sophia interacts with him at all in the morning and he will play any role.

  • The most discussed aspect of this little incident is the teasing mood that the description attributes to Sophia. This has raised a lot of eyebrows, as it conflicts with the previous series of teasers in which we could see the inner struggle and guilt tormenting Sophia as she wakes up. L&P then said that according to the event of the previous night, she will answer the door in different dresses, one likely less revealing. So in Dylan's path she will at least put the bra on (or a different robe) while in the other path the player will have the choice to tease the postman.

  • Besides the context and her mood, there are two other questions that are left unanswered.
    • How does she know it's the postman? For some reason, she's convinced it's him (but we don't see his truck outside). One possibility is that she received some alert on her phone (we know she is waiting for the guitar she ordered some time ago), or she somehow knows that Liam's package is going to be delivered that day, whether she remembers the conversation with Liam during Sam's hot tub event on the night of PD 12 or Liam himself somehow told her in the morning (again a message or a conversation from the kitchen). In any case, she is firmly convinced that it is the postman.

    • Why teasing? There has been an innocent flirtation with the postman since day one of the story. What might prompt Sophia to take a step further with him is what happened when/if she accepted Nathalie's dare to answer him at the door in her lingerie in the afternoon of PD 12. We saw that in their flirtatious exchange the postman said
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      So one possibility is that Sophia takes him up on it and decides to take the teasing up another notch wearing her sheer robe without the bra. Another possibility is that, similarly to what happened with Mr. Harris (Liam's boss) the night before, Sophia somehow is using it to teach Liam a lesson or it could be part of a game of dare between them if in the kitchen they start to discuss spicing up their sex life with Cathy&Andy. More generally, it could also be that a (disappointing) discussion with Liam in the kitchen may be used as narrative device to relieve her of her guilt feeling.
  • If answering the door in the skimpy robe can only happen if she hasn't spent the night with Dylan, it will be interesting to see the impact on Sam route. If he does not get the "surprise", will the path continue anyway or this will be a moment where the two paths diverge?

  • We can expect some sort of wild thoughts from Sophia, in a similar way as it happened for Larry and Dylan toward her.


C) Sophia/Ellie (very short) ?

We don't know whether the following teaser is part of the original short event with Ellie or it is part of the longer event or... So, grain of salt ;)

Smells Like Teen Spirit
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Sophia entered the bathroom to take a shower, her eyes immediately drawn to Ellie's discarded clothes and her damp, flung-aside panties on the stool. Suddenly there was this temptation...

We are a bit clueless about this teaser. The general trope would suggest that Sophia is caught red-handed by Ellie, whether Sophia is aware of it or not. Ellie could handle the situation in many different ways, from addressing it directly and playing it to his advantage, to keeping it to herself and perhaps using it as leverage later, possibly at the spa.


D) Sophia and Ellie at the spa with Logan and Tyler
The last batch of teasers refers to the main event of the release. If Ellie has forgiven Tyler for sleeping with the blonde (PD 13), Sophia and Ellie will go to the spa where they will meet Tyler and Logan. Logan and Tyler know Sophia as Ellie's friend and they don't know that she is married, not to mention that they are mother and daughter.

1. Ready to go
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Ellie invited Sophia to a well-known place to relax, where her boyfriend Logan and his buddy Tyler were already waiting for them.

2. Something like this?
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Ellie asked Sophia to dress a little more sexy to come across as younger and her "friend". Sophia did her best. Of course, she also has to take off her wedding ring to be authentic.

It should be noted that for some reason Sophia is back with her old hairstyle. It's not clear why, it could be related to some technical issues. Or because it is part of a dream? :D. She is also wearing the wedding ring, which she will take off before meeting the guy, as she did for the nightclub event and, more recently, for Dylan's night out.

3. Back where it all began
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Sophia agreed to have a good time at the spa with Ellie, her boyfriend and his buddy Tyler she knows from the nightclub.

4. Having some sweaty quality time together
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Finally they all settled in the sauna, where the room was pleasantly warm and cozy.

5. Making sacrifices
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A dubious attempt to conceal the obvious truth...

6. We are just friends
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Note that Sophia and Ellie are standing while they kiss.

7. An unpleasant feeling
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Decide about Ellie's character development...

8. Last bonus appetizer before the update
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It should be noted that all teasers yet, including this one, have tended to relate to the rather "timid phase" of the scene. The teasers also don't allow any conclusions to be drawn about what will really happen.

The big question about this event is whether it will be a lesbian or a hetero event. We simply don't know. We can only try to put together the pieces of the puzzle that L&P has thrown at us.
And all revolves around the statements about the difference between this event and the one in the next update (Ellie didn't forgive Logan). He said several times that

All of this **seems** to suggest that the event in this release will also be mostly lesbian with some hetero content, as the teasers suggest (and some early spoiler confirmed it!). The animations are very likely to cover only the lesbian part. We can expect some hetero content between Sophia/Tyler or Ellie/Logan but, obviously, not penetrative sex: there could be space for groping, kissing, fondling, fingering, maybe HJ but it's difficult to think (atm) of something much more explicit than that if the main "dish" is lesbian action. Still, these are educated guesses based on the teasers and the statements. So, take it with the usual grain of salt.

As for the content of the event and the speculations:

  • Something that we do know for sure is that the main action won't happen in the sauna, but in another part of the spa. It has been suggested that it could be a massage, either given by the boys because e.g. they booked a private room, or they [URL='https://f95zone.to/threads/a-wife-and-mother-offtopic-discussion.111628/post-13234210']split up and Sophia and Ellie end up with massaging each other (or Ellie somehow arranged for her to give Sophia a massage). The possibilities are obviously endless and we didn't get any teaser about this part.

  • As for the kiss between Sophia and Ellie, this is probably something they are forced to do to prove that they are not mother and daughter: it could come up as they notice the obvious resemblance and the age difference and it could stem from the show Sophia and Patricia put on at the nightclub. It could also be that Ellie takes the initiative to "save" Sophia and/or because she is jealous of Tyler's... affections.

  • As for the last teaser, there have been many discussions (and wishful thinking) about where it could lead to and how far Tyler can go. Again, endless possibilities, from going for the "big prize" which is already almost visible (in a deja vu of the nightclub scene), to going for the towel to undo it and reach up for the "girls". Others suggested that the moment he reaches between her legs Sophia will stop and leave the sauna followed by Ellie who will try to calm her down. Of course, the trademark interruption by someone else entering the sauna is always a possibility.

  • Story-wise, it will be interesting to see if Ellie will ever tell Sophia that Logan cheated on her the day before. This should worry Sophia, who already dislikes the guy. This could be part of what seems to be an important decision to be made in the teaser "An unpleasant feeling". Sophia may have to decide whether or not to interfere in Ellie's relationship to prevent her from getting into a toxic one. And we'll see if that variable ellie_bitch will be used again and/or there will be points associated with Sophia's decision. Just as a reminder, the points associated with this variable were given when/if Sophia let the masseur grope (twice) Ellie during the massage in the same spa on day 15. Sophia letting Ellie and Logan continue in their public display may increase the counter and lead to a more sexual depiction of Ellie in the future.

  • Another aspect to consider, if it is indeed a lesbian scene, is how Sophia will deal with the idea of getting more intimate with Ellie. She already has to deal with the guilt for what happened with Dylan and now she is facing a similar situation with her other child. And, on the same line, how they actually transition from the hetero event to a lesbian one and if there will be any sex-ed spin to justify it.


How to get the event.

Well, this is gonna be a tough one as we are not sure of all the events and all possible alternative events. I will break down the requirements for each event according to the schedule that we believe to be the most likely. Keep in mind that there is some guesswork involved. At least the spa event will be playable from the gallery, the others being very short events, they may not be.

As usual, if you don't have the saves and you still want to play it normally with all the options, you might need to set some variables in order to get the event. You can set the variable values with Renpy console, the
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Waking up and Sam
VariableValueMeaning
day20_Dylan_goes_to_Christines_partyTrueif you want to see sexy incident at the door
day20_Sophia_finished_Dylan_handjobTrueif you want to see her guilty thoughts about last night (the previous day20_Dylan_goes_to_Christines_party must be False)
day19_Sophia_pleased_with_Nathalies_serviceTrueSophia opened the door in her lingerie and flirted with Mr. Murray
day20_Sophia_continues_romance_with_SamTrueThis is probably needed to have Sam ringing at the door
sam>60The more the better
filthy > good_wifee.g. set filthy to 1000, it does not matter as long as the condition is metThis is usually needed to have the more daring choices.
ellie>=29They might be needed for letting Sophia sniff her panties.
lesbian>=35They might be needed for letting Sophia sniff her panties.


At the spa with Ellie on Logan's route
VariableValueMeaning
ellie>=29This are the max point that can be collected with Ellie so far.
lesbian>=35The more the better.
day19_Sophia_talked_with_Ellie_about_her_big_dildoTruethis is the only outcome/variable set from the last interaction with Ellie (the shower on PD12)
day20_Ellie_doesnt_forgive_LoganFalseThis is necessary for this version of the event
filthy > good_wifee.g. set filthy to 1000, it does not matter as long as the condition is metThis is usually needed to have the more daring choices.
ellie_bitch2just in case
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It feels like being in the doctor waiting room.
So let's at least pretend we are in
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, here is something to read to kill the time before all hell breaks loose: the usual recap that tries to make (some) sense of what to expect in this release. ;)

This v0.200 is the first update for PD 14 (Day 21, Saturday) and will cover some of the morning events. "Which events?" you may ask. Well, that would make the two of us. This development cycle has been very unusual and a bit weird, mainly for two reasons.

The schedule
We have not been given an exact schedule, and the previous provisional one has not been officially confirmed. All we know is that he said "I'm probably planning to create two different alternative scenes with Sophia and Ellie. The one in case Ellie and her boyfriend Logan are still together. And the other if she broke up with him, which would be the pure lesbian route." and since then he has been quite confusing in his statements, often saying that the second event will be released in the next update, but also kind of implying that the release could cover the whole morning events.
The provisional schedule from summer 2022 was:
  1. Sophia/Ellie (Very short)
  2. Sophia/Sam (Very short)
  3. Sophia/Ellie

Now this is the breakdown of the events that collectively we could come up with:
  1. Sophia/Sam (Very short)
  2. Sophia/Ellie (Very short) still not sure whether it is maintained and/or what it could be about
  3. Sophia/Ellie is now split into two alternative versions:
    • 3.1 Sophia/Ellie in Logan's path
    • 3.2 Sophia/Ellie if Ellie broke up with Logan (pure lesbian route) will be released in the next update (v0.201 or v0.205)

Beside that, we still don't have a confirmed, official schedule for the PD. L&P has hinted that the side jobs might not be cut after all. Instead he released a provisional schedule for PD 15. All the schedules and all pieces of information for the next days are as usual here.

The new Sophia
The other big surprise right at the beginning of the development cycle is the announcement of a new Sophia's model upgrade. He converted/moved the model to Gen8 and he updated the skin textures that apparently were not up to his standards and some other tweaks. This is a big change and, as you can imagine, it sparked a lot of controversy and discussions here on the forum, to put it mildly. I'm not gonna rehash all the discussions here, if you are interested you can check the comparison of images here, they are online and you can use a slider to compare the new version with the old one like this one:
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I guess we will see how that plays out in the game.

The stats
The release features 346 renders, 3 animations and 17 pages of script. We don't know yet the split of each event in terms of number of renders, but for sure most of the renders will be for the Sophia/Ellie event.
The release covers the morning of Saturday with Sophia waking up, meeting Sam at the door and then leaving with Ellie for the spa where they will meet Tyler and Logan. This is what we know so far from the 15 teasers that have been released.

The teasers
Here are the teasers roughly organized by event.

A) Waking up
As you may recall, there were two possible alternatives for Sophia's evening activities. Either she spent the night with Dylan at the nightclub and then in the hot tub, or she watched TV before going to bed if Dylan decided to go to Christine's party.
Obviously, this has (or should have) an effect on her mood when she wakes up, as it has been hinted at in the visuals of the teasers and in their description.

1. A new day has come
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2. Reflecting on last night
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This is the first (clear) image of the new Sophia we had. For this render you can see the difference between the new model and the old one
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3. Returning to the normal course of the day
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Sophia knows that she needs to deal with the consequences of her actions, as much as she might want to bury them deep within.

It seems that there will be slightly different versions of Sophia waking up, depending on the path she took the night before. These teasers refer to the one where she spent the night with Dylan, and most likely she will be struggling with her guilt. As always, we'll see if and how she manages to rationalize her thoughts and feelings and get on with her day.
On a more frivolous note, this new sexy sheer robe adds to her impressive robe collection.


B) Sexy incident with Sam
The next batch of 3 teasers are part of Sam's very short event. L&P himself said that this event can be barely considered an event for how short it is. This is part of the cello lessons that Sam is giving to Sophia to impress her parents.
Apparently, the event will be just a little sexy incident based on a mistake.

1. Mornin' Delivery: Sophia's Naughty Surprise
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Sophia is in a morning teasing mood when the doorbell rings. Will the old parcel delivery man be able to bear the sight without going into cardiac arrest?

2. Suddenly Sophia is the surprised one
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The "naughty surprise" takes a little unexpected turn when Sam suddenly appears at the door instead of the old delivery man...

3. You like what you see?
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Sam wasn't really expecting this kind of greeting.

The event seems quite clear. Sophia is getting dressed or getting ready for a shower when she hears the doorbell and thinks it's Mr Murray, the old postman. She decides to tease him opening the door in her skimpy robe only to discover it's Sam. This should be about it for the "action" in this event. We can assume there will be maybe a kiss for Sam, possibly another "almost caught" moment if Liam is around, but it should not go further than that. If anything, it will be more about practicing.

Now, as for all the other details and speculations:
  • We don't know why Sam is at the door. Normally the lessons should take place at his house, where the cello is, although in the last event he proposed to move the lessons at her place to avoid... interruptions. Note that he does not seem to be carrying the cello with him. He probably just dropped by to arrange the time or postpone the lesson. And we don't know whether the lesson is taking place (i.e. they will be showing practicing) or not in this update.

  • L&P has been asked about the whereabouts of Liam, who is never seen in these teasers. Apparently, he is in the kitchen drinking his coffee and working a bit on his laptop. We don't know if Sophia interacts with him at all in the morning and he will play any role.

  • The most discussed aspect of this little incident is the teasing mood that the description attributes to Sophia. This has raised a lot of eyebrows, as it conflicts with the previous series of teasers in which we could see the inner struggle and guilt tormenting Sophia as she wakes up. L&P then said that according to the event of the previous night, she will answer the door in different dresses, one likely less revealing. So in Dylan's path she will at least put the bra on (or a different robe) while in the other path the player will have the choice to tease the postman.

  • Besides the context and her mood, there are two other questions that are left unanswered.
    • How does she know it's the postman? For some reason, she's convinced it's him (but we don't see his truck outside). One possibility is that she received some alert on her phone (we know she is waiting for the guitar she ordered some time ago), or she somehow knows that Liam's package is going to be delivered that day, whether she remembers the conversation with Liam during Sam's hot tub event on the night of PD 12 or Liam himself somehow told her in the morning (again a message or a conversation from the kitchen). In any case, she is firmly convinced that it is the postman.

    • Why teasing? There has been an innocent flirtation with the postman since day one of the story. What might prompt Sophia to take a step further with him is what happened when/if she accepted Nathalie's dare to answer him at the door in her lingerie in the afternoon of PD 12. We saw that in their flirtatious exchange the postman said
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      So one possibility is that Sophia takes him up on it and decides to take the teasing up another notch wearing her sheer robe without the bra. Another possibility is that, similarly to what happened with Mr. Harris (Liam's boss) the night before, Sophia somehow is using it to teach Liam a lesson or it could be part of a game of dare between them if in the kitchen they start to discuss spicing up their sex life with Cathy&Andy. More generally, it could also be that a (disappointing) discussion with Liam in the kitchen may be used as narrative device to relieve her of her guilt feeling.
  • If answering the door in the skimpy robe can only happen if she hasn't spent the night with Dylan, it will be interesting to see the impact on Sam route. If he does not get the "surprise", will the path continue anyway or this will be a moment where the two paths diverge?

  • We can expect some sort of wild thoughts from Sophia, in a similar way as it happened for Larry and Dylan toward her.


C) Sophia/Ellie (very short) ?

We don't know whether the following teaser is part of the original short event with Ellie or it is part of the longer event or... So, grain of salt ;)

Smells Like Teen Spirit
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Sophia entered the bathroom to take a shower, her eyes immediately drawn to Ellie's discarded clothes and her damp, flung-aside panties on the stool. Suddenly there was this temptation...

We are a bit clueless about this teaser. The general trope would suggest that Sophia is caught red-handed by Ellie, whether Sophia is aware of it or not. Ellie could handle the situation in many different ways, from addressing it directly and playing it to his advantage, to keeping it to herself and perhaps using it as leverage later, possibly at the spa.


D) Sophia and Ellie at the spa with Logan and Tyler
The last batch of teasers refers to the main event of the release. If Ellie has forgiven Tyler for sleeping with the blonde (PD 13), Sophia and Ellie will go to the spa where they will meet Tyler and Logan. Logan and Tyler know Sophia as Ellie's friend and they don't know that she is married, not to mention that they are mother and daughter.

1. Ready to go
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Ellie invited Sophia to a well-known place to relax, where her boyfriend Logan and his buddy Tyler were already waiting for them.

2. Something like this?
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Ellie asked Sophia to dress a little more sexy to come across as younger and her "friend". Sophia did her best. Of course, she also has to take off her wedding ring to be authentic.

It should be noted that for some reason Sophia is back with her old hairstyle. It's not clear why, it could be related to some technical issues. Or because it is part of a dream? :D. She is also wearing the wedding ring, which she will take off before meeting the guy, as she did for the nightclub event and, more recently, for Dylan's night out.

3. Back where it all began
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Sophia agreed to have a good time at the spa with Ellie, her boyfriend and his buddy Tyler she knows from the nightclub.

4. Having some sweaty quality time together
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Finally they all settled in the sauna, where the room was pleasantly warm and cozy.

5. Making sacrifices
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A dubious attempt to conceal the obvious truth...

6. We are just friends
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Note that Sophia and Ellie are standing while they kiss.

7. An unpleasant feeling
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Decide about Ellie's character development...

8. Last bonus appetizer before the update
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It should be noted that all teasers yet, including this one, have tended to relate to the rather "timid phase" of the scene. The teasers also don't allow any conclusions to be drawn about what will really happen.

The big question about this event is whether it will be a lesbian or a hetero event. We simply don't know. We can only try to put together the pieces of the puzzle that L&P has thrown at us.
And all revolves around the statements about the difference between this event and the one in the next update (Ellie didn't forgive Logan). He said several times that

All of this **seems** to suggest that the event in this release will also be mostly lesbian with some hetero content, as the teasers suggest (and some early spoiler confirmed it!). The animations are very likely to cover only the lesbian part. We can expect some hetero content between Sophia/Tyler or Ellie/Logan but, obviously, not penetrative sex: there could be space for groping, kissing, fondling, fingering, maybe HJ but it's difficult to think (atm) of something much more explicit than that if the main "dish" is lesbian action. Still, these are educated guesses based on the teasers and the statements. So, take it with the usual grain of salt.

As for the content of the event and the speculations:

  • Something that we do know for sure is that the main action won't happen in the sauna, but in another part of the spa. It has been suggested that it could be a massage, either given by the boys because e.g. they booked a private room, or they [URL='https://f95zone.to/threads/a-wife-and-mother-offtopic-discussion.111628/post-13234210']split up and Sophia and Ellie end up with massaging each other (or Ellie somehow arranged for her to give Sophia a massage). The possibilities are obviously endless and we didn't get any teaser about this part.

  • As for the kiss between Sophia and Ellie, this is probably something they are forced to do to prove that they are not mother and daughter: it could come up as they notice the obvious resemblance and the age difference and it could stem from the show Sophia and Patricia put on at the nightclub. It could also be that Ellie takes the initiative to "save" Sophia and/or because she is jealous of Tyler's... affections.

  • As for the last teaser, there have been many discussions (and wishful thinking) about where it could lead to and how far Tyler can go. Again, endless possibilities, from going for the "big prize" which is already almost visible (in a deja vu of the nightclub scene), to going for the towel to undo it and reach up for the "girls". Others suggested that the moment he reaches between her legs Sophia will stop and leave the sauna followed by Ellie who will try to calm her down. Of course, the trademark interruption by someone else entering the sauna is always a possibility.

  • Story-wise, it will be interesting to see if Ellie will ever tell Sophia that Logan cheated on her the day before. This should worry Sophia, who already dislikes the guy. This could be part of what seems to be an important decision to be made in the teaser "An unpleasant feeling". Sophia may have to decide whether or not to interfere in Ellie's relationship to prevent her from getting into a toxic one. And we'll see if that variable ellie_bitch will be used again and/or there will be points associated with Sophia's decision. Just as a reminder, the points associated with this variable were given when/if Sophia let the masseur grope (twice) Ellie during the massage in the same spa on day 15. Sophia letting Ellie and Logan continue in their public display may increase the counter and lead to a more sexual depiction of Ellie in the future.

  • Another aspect to consider, if it is indeed a lesbian scene, is how Sophia will deal with the idea of getting more intimate with Ellie. She already has to deal with the guilt for what happened with Dylan and now she is facing a similar situation with her other child. And, on the same line, how they actually transition from the hetero event to a lesbian one and if there will be any sex-ed spin to justify it.


How to get the event.

Well, this is gonna be a tough one as we are not sure of all the events and all possible alternative events. I will break down the requirements for each event according to the schedule that we believe to be the most likely. Keep in mind that there is some guesswork involved. At least the spa event will be playable from the gallery, the others being very short events, they may not be.

As usual, if you don't have the saves and you still want to play it normally with all the options, you might need to set some variables in order to get the event. You can set the variable values with Renpy console, the
You must be registered to see the links
, or the Universal Renpy Mod.


Waking up and Sam
VariableValueMeaning
day20_Dylan_goes_to_Christines_partyTrueif you want to see sexy incident at the door
day20_Sophia_finished_Dylan_handjobTrueif you want to see her guilty thoughts about last night (the previous day20_Dylan_goes_to_Christines_party must be False)
day19_Sophia_pleased_with_Nathalies_serviceTrueSophia opened the door in her lingerie and flirted with Mr. Murray
day20_Sophia_continues_romance_with_SamTrueThis is probably needed to have Sam ringing at the door
sam>60The more the better
filthy > good_wifee.g. set filthy to 1000, it does not matter as long as the condition is metThis is usually needed to have the more daring choices.
ellie>=29They might be needed for letting Sophia sniff her panties.
lesbian>=35They might be needed for letting Sophia sniff her panties.


At the spa with Ellie on Logan's route
VariableValueMeaning
ellie>=29This are the max point that can be collected with Ellie so far.
lesbian>=35The more the better.
day19_Sophia_talked_with_Ellie_about_her_big_dildoTruethis is the only outcome/variable set from the last interaction with Ellie (the shower on PD12)
day20_Ellie_doesnt_forgive_LoganFalseThis is necessary for this version of the event
filthy > good_wifee.g. set filthy to 1000, it does not matter as long as the condition is metThis is usually needed to have the more daring choices.
ellie_bitch2just in case
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My man, you always deliver! Thank you again for the breakdown, super excited to see what comes from this update!
 
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I'm once more confused. Will there be any Dylan progress, or not in this update?
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I mean, you could just check xxxorro's post up there. But no, there is no Dylan content in this update.

Sophia+Ellie (short)
Sophia+Sam (short)
Sophia+Ellie 2 (main event, hetero version)
 
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