VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.200] [Lust & Passion]

[Alley_Cat]

Damn, you're right, how could I? Plus, I don't know if we have any intel on that other than the list below, it could be a new shower in the morning and it's gonna be hot (shaving lesson?)!

From the list it seems that all events are in Sophia's storyline, as for Day 19 (PD 12) only 1 event is marked (morning shower) but there was also Dylan/Ellie/Christine. And for the upcoming day 20 (PD 13) no events while we know that Dylan/Ellie Part 1 + Part 2 and Dylan/Ellie/Christine. So I guess it's safe to assume the ones listed are in Sophia's path
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(from https://f95zone.to/threads/a-wife-and-mother-v0-150-lust-passion.5944/post-5196619 and thanks to Apollodore once again for keeping the books straight! If you don't mind, you can add Ellie's events in the list of future PDs )

Another question for you about:

It's true that if one skips the yoga event Dylan never meets Marie but do you think (or has it been said) that the whole event is only for those who chose Alyssa?

I also wonder why they are going to the hairdresser.
So far Sophia went twice to do her hair, once on day 2 / PD 2 because of the dinner with Andy and Cathy and on day 12 / PD 5 because the job interview. Dylan went with her on day 2 to change his cut.
It is "strange" for a boy to go again only after 2 weeks (but, hey, everybody has their habits ). It could be because in the evening he has *potentially* a date with Emma or an event with Ellie/Christine. That could make sense in a way, but the other alternative evening event is with Sophia. Are they also going out somewhere? Is Sophia also preparing for something else? The museum guys are the next evening but I don't think it is something that deserves a new haircut, especially because it's an informal and private visit.
Or maybe they are just simple haircuts...

I'm just assuming it's so the Dylan/Marie storyline is on the same page - that Marie has met Dylan and thinks he's a cutie. Edit : And update Sophia's hair to drape properly.

Something that I noticed and don't feel is talked about much.

No matter which route we choose, whether Hanging out with Alyssa or Yoga...

Dylan meets Zac on this day in both cases.

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It makes sense on the Alyssa route but even on the Yoga route, going out of the way just to meet Zac. What could be the reason.

We are also not told, what he wants to get from Zac, neither do Sophia and Patricia ask that.

I speculate it could be something that comes into play later which L&P passed up in a subtle manner.

I kinda get the feeling that the Twist is still in play, the only difference is that Dylan is a coward and doesn't admit he Did Bad, so Sophia doesn't find out. Hence the statement from L&P that the removal of the Twist doesn't effect the story much. So there is some part of Dylan's original storyline that may be playing a part. Pure speculation though.

Rather liked it when Dylan had the balls to admit he Did Bad. Oh well.

 

[Adolfo]

In any case, there would be more possibility of corruption in front of a Dali than a Picasso. Here I just started a debate !!!

Dalí of course, Gala motivates more than an Avignon lady.

 

[ancienregimele]

Buddy, I doubt that for people in uniform, your post will be an alibi for you.

It's lucky for everyone here that those people in uniform are far too busy to think about it.

 

[GingerSweetGirl]

I'm just assuming it's so the Dylan/Marie storyline is on the same page - that Marie has met Dylan and thinks he's a cutie. Edit : And update Sophia's hair to drape properly.

I kinda get the feeling that the Twist is still in play, the only difference is that Dylan is a coward and doesn't admit he Did Bad, so Sophia doesn't find out. Hence the statement from L&P that the removal of the Twist doesn't effect the story much. So there is some part of Dylan's original storyline that may be playing a part. Pure speculation though.

Rather liked it when Dylan had the balls to admit he Did Bad. Oh well.

I don't know, if the twist comes back at all I think the Dylan fans will erupt. If he does bring it back because he thinks it isn't a big deal, then it would display a complete lack of understanding of why the fans didn't like it. He never really seemed to understand what the big deal was, and only removed it because of the volume of pressure, so I guess I can see him bringing it back...but I doubt it.

Since the twist wasn't "that big of a deal" then cutting it was fine and bringing it back would be odd and unnecessary. If the twist was instrumental to the story, he would never have removed it. Therefore it must not be important, so why bring it back?

 

[Notretsam]

I haven't posted anything since the last update as honestly, it was the first update I didn't actually like. However, I think this is more influenced by me wanting to see a follow up to other things rather than what we saw.

I have been saying for a while that Sophia is at the point of crossing that line with someone else not named Liam, and everything you see is a step towards Sophia crossing that line. However, I just felt it escalated too fast with the maid and Sam.

I could see the sense of the maid scene if it was Julia or even Ellie but with the maid, it seems sudden with her.
Also, I could see the sense of the jacuzzi scene if it was Dylan but Sam seems sudden.

I thought both scenes were good but just with the wrong characters, at the end of the day, she another step closer to crossing that line for sure, as Sophia was very close to going there.

I getting bored with this VN, the waiting to see a follow-up with Zach and Alyssa, follow-up with Julia and Ellie, the follow-up to the boys tutoring and the next Aiden task is just getting old. I still think AWAM is great and mostly realistic but I'm just getting bored waiting.

 

[ancienregimele]

I getting bored with this VN, the waiting to see a follow-up with Zach and Alyssa, follow-up with Julia and Ellie, the follow-up to the boys tutoring and the next Aiden task is just getting old. I still think AWAM is great and mostly realistic but I'm just getting bored waiting.

Building substantial momentum, only to quickly lose it, is a feature of AWAM. It happens in various other games as well, to be fair. We've been discussing whether there are too many storylines &/or too many characters. [IMO, too many of both]. It always comes back to the wait between releases, which only seems to grow with every measure meant to speed them up. Yet, despite this, the majority of fans stick with AWAM, even though the many suggestions to try & solve the issue have so far had no observable result.

One thing that can be said is that, bored or not, the fans are loyal. I think this is felt more towards Sophia than the Dev!

 

[GingerSweetGirl]

I haven't posted anything since the last update as honestly, it was the first update I didn't actually like. However, I think this is more influenced by me wanting to see a follow up to other things rather than what we saw.

I have been saying for a while that Sophia is at the point of crossing that line with someone else not named Liam, and everything you see is a step towards Sophia crossing that line. However, I just felt it escalated too fast with the maid and Sam.

I could see the sense of the maid scene if it was Julia or even Ellie but with the maid, it seems sudden with her.
Also, I could see the sense of the jacuzzi scene if it was Dylan but Sam seems sudden.

I thought both scenes were good but just with the wrong characters, at the end of the day, she another step closer to crossing that line for sure, as Sophia was very close to going there.

I getting bored with this VN, the waiting to see a follow-up with Zach and Alyssa, follow-up with Julia and Ellie, the follow-up to the boys tutoring and the next Aiden task is just getting old. I still think AWAM is great and mostly realistic but I'm just getting bored waiting.

At some point we have to be ok with something happening. Ok, maybe the action with Natalie happened a bit suddenly, but not by the standards of erotica. We can't complain that we get no action, AND also complain that what action we get happens too quickly. Natalie had been previously established in three scenes as someone that would push Sophia's buttons, so IMO it was time to pull the trigger. Did I expect it to go as far as it did? No, but a spark had been well established.

Also, why would the jacuzzi scene make more sense with Dylan than Sam? Sam is also well established as someone that Sophia has sparks with. And, let's not forget that the game has made it painfully clear that incest with Dylan is not something it's going to rush into. If anyone here still expect Dylan to have sex with Sophia any time soon, I'm sorry but you're living a fantasy. Very clearly, Sophia has more walls up towards incest with Dylan than any other character. It would make no sense in her characterization to go for Dylan first before Sam. Dylan is set to make major progress in PD13, but he's still her son and L&P is going to stretch that relationship out as long as possible.

 

[darji]

If anyone here still expect Dylan to have sex with Sophia any time soon, I'm sorry but you're living a fantasy. Very clearly, Sophia has more walls up towards incest with Dylan than any other character. It would make no sense in her characterization to go for Dylan first before Sam.

Yeah but she always was ready to make out with Dylan in the Pool but then cockblock Natalie showed up XD

 

[oktabitt]

Does anyone find how Dylan is on the “cuckold path”... I selected and the Sam in the bikini show but the
conversation about the postman with his mom never appear? Does excists the "Dylan's cuckold path" or is just a mistake?

 

[Notretsam]

At some point we have to be ok with something happening. Ok, maybe the action with Natalie happened a bit suddenly, but not by the standards of erotica. We can't complain that we get no action, AND also complain that what action we get happens too quickly. Natalie had been previously established in three scenes as someone that would push Sophia's buttons, so IMO it was time to pull the trigger. Did I expect it to go as far as it did? No, but a spark had been well established.

Also, why would the jacuzzi scene make more sense with Dylan than Sam? Sam is also well established as someone that Sophia has sparks with. And, let's not forget that the game has made it painfully clear that incest with Dylan is not something it's going to rush into. If anyone here still expect Dylan to have sex with Sophia any time soon, I'm sorry but you're living a fantasy. Very clearly, Sophia has more walls up towards incest with Dylan than any other character. It would make no sense in her characterization to go for Dylan first before Sam. Dylan is set to make major progress in PD13, but he's still her son and L&P is going to stretch that relationship out as long as possible.

really? so Sophia didn't let Dylan jerk off to her or show him her boobs, or let him change in the same room as Dylan, or let Dylan jerk off in the shower, while she was in the bath. Sam got caught spying, part of a bikini show with Dylan and one musician lesson, anything else Dylan was there for.

sorry but your logic is flawed, you're right about more walls towards Dylan but the walls are already well and truly down, we've seen Sophia battle with that many times, but still allow Dylan to get what he wants. Dylan is much more further along with Sophia than Sam ever was, granted the last update has changed that but with Dylan, the arc was a jog, the last update had Sam's arc sprinting to catch up but you're correct about sparks with Sam.

And yes I can complain about it being a bit sudden if I choose to, especially when I'm right. I did however say, the scenes were good but just with the wrong characters. Maid and Sam needed at least 2 more individual teasing scenes before what we saw in the last update. After all, that would fit with what AWAM has always been, a tease, something I personally liked about AWAM.

I do think it's time to pull the trigger but with the right characters, maid and Sam were not the right characters, although I must admit they are now due to the last update and that does widen the playing field, which is probably a good thing for AWAM but it comes at the cost of the last update, which personally I thought was one of the worst.(edit* when I say worst, I mean from a story perspective only)

However, maybe there had to be that one update that needed to push things along much quicker, so L&P can bridge the gap quicker between what he wants to do and what the majority of fans of AWAM want.

 

[GingerSweetGirl]

really? so Sophia didn't let Dylan jerk off to her or show him her boobs, or let him change in the same room as Dylan, or let Dylan jerk off in the shower, while she was in the bath. Sam got caught spying, part of a bikini show with Dylan and one musician lesson, anything else Dylan was there for.

sorry but your logic is flawed, you're right about more walls towards Dylan but the walls are already well and truly down, we've seen Sophia battle with that many times, but still allow Dylan to get what he wants. Dylan is much more further along with Sophia than Sam ever was, granted the last update has changed that but with Dylan, the arc was a jog, the last update had Sam's arc sprinting to catch up but you're correct about sparks with Sam.

And yes I can complain about it being a bit sudden if I choose to, especially when I'm right. I did however say, the scenes were good but just with the wrong characters. Maid and Sam needed at least 2 more individual teasing scenes before what we saw in the last update. After all, that would fit with what AWAM has always been, a tease, something I personally liked about AWAM.

I do think it's time to pull the trigger but with the right characters, maid and Sam were not the right characters, although I must admit they are now due to the last update and that does widen the playing field, which is probably a good thing for AWAM but it comes at the cost of the last update, which personally I thought was one of the worst.(edit* when I say worst, I mean from a story perspective only)

However, maybe there had to be that one update that needed to push things along much quicker, so L&P can bridge the gap quicker between what he wants to do and what the majority of fans of AWAM want.

I don't know what to tell you. If you think Dylan is going to have sex with Sophia before Sam, or before Natalie, I think you're in for a bad time. You can think Dylan is the logical and obvious choice, but it isn't going to happen. Dylan is going to be teased to players until the very end because he's the ultimate avatar for most players, and L&P isn't going to cash that in until the bitter end. Everyone else in this game pretty much exists to corrupt Sophia to a point where she'll have sex with her son, so they have to come first. Pun intended.

 

[MGUltimate]

How does anyone think this is OK? Nothing but teasing, and teasing sucks and is boring. Lots of yakking, no H scenes. This one could not possibly be worse than it is now. Dev doesn't care, he seems to think this should be a nun simulator. He certainly doesn't care what F95 thinks as he said we are "all leeches", but he doesn't even care what patrons think, even when they leave. I think those he still has, it's kind of like a cult. It's honestly a bad game - all Yakking no sex for 3 - 4 years in. If you think there's ever going to be anything good, you got your brain washed bad.

 

[darji]

How does anyone think this is OK? Nothing but teasing, and teasing sucks and is boring. Lots of yakking, no H scenes. This one could not possibly be worse than it is now. Dev doesn't care, he seems to think this should be a nun simulator. He certainly doesn't care what F95 thinks as he said we are "all leeches", but he doesn't even care what patrons think, even when they leave. I think those he still has, it's kind of like a cult. It's honestly a bad game - all Yakking no sex for 3 - 4 years in. If you think there's ever going to be anything good, you got your brain washed bad.

why does every game needs to be the same? For me personally the reason why I support it is because it is different. I always say this is not like Porn but more like a Emmanuelle Movie. The buildup is great. And if people would play the whole game and story at once it would have a total different impact.

But this is how this genre is working. You always play work in progress games so for many to stay entertained it needs to have new sex scenes every Month or so. Or people here call it dead.

And giving the comments on patreon. They like they way the story progresses. If that is not for you? Cool there are TONS of other games with tons of other fetishes, scenes, updates you can try or play.

 

[Notretsam]

I don't know what to tell you. If you think Dylan is going to have sex with Sophia before Sam, or before Natalie, I think you're in for a bad time. You can think Dylan is the logical and obvious choice, but it isn't going to happen. Dylan is going to be teased to players until the very end because he's the ultimate avatar for most players, and L&P isn't going to cash that in until the bitter end. Everyone else in this game pretty much exists to corrupt Sophia to a point where she'll have sex with her son, so they have to come first. Pun intended.

you seem to be grouping me in with people who like incest and want that only, that is not me.

appears u didn't even read my post or you just completely ignored what I posted. I didn't once say anything about who would have sex with Sophia in my first post, I said the specific scenes didn't make sense with the characters in them and made more sense with others, it was you who brought up who have sex with Sophia first. In my reply to you, yet again I didn't state anything about who I thought or who I wanted to have sex with Sophia first., no idea why you keep griping about the same point and a point I never even brought up.

 

[Alley_Cat]

you seem to be grouping me in with people who like incest and want that only, that is not me.

appears u didn't even read my post or you just completely ignored what I posted. I didn't once say anything about who would have sex with Sophia in my first post, I said the specific scenes didn't make sense with the characters in them and made more sense with others, it was you who brought up who have sex with Sophia first. In my reply to you, yet again I didn't state anything about who I thought or who I wanted to have sex with Sophia first., no idea why you keep griping about the same point and a point I never even brought up.

Only someone with an invested interest in incest could think that Dylan would make a better choice for the event than Sam. Sam plays to many of Sophia's weaknesses, but Dylan only plays to fans of incest. That clearly shows when the first chance for Dylan points comes up before we even get to know his character, only that he is Sophia's son.

So the assumption that you're an ardent Dylan and/or incest fan isn't unwarranted, even if completely wrong

 

[GingerSweetGirl]

you seem to be grouping me in with people who like incest and want that only, that is not me.

appears u didn't even read my post or you just completely ignored what I posted. I didn't once say anything about who would have sex with Sophia in my first post, I said the specific scenes didn't make sense with the characters in them and made more sense with others, it was you who brought up who have sex with Sophia first. In my reply to you, yet again I didn't state anything about who I thought or who I wanted to have sex with Sophia first., no idea why you keep griping about the same point and a point I never even brought up.

I'm not griping, I was genuinely trying to have a discussion with you. My point was simply that, even if Dylan makes more logical sense than Sam, my read of the situation is that L&P is going to hold off on him and Sophia until the very end of the game. While Sophia has interacted with Dylan in ways that are certainly inappropriate in the past, it wasn't until the jog in the park that she viewed him as something more than her son. Meanwhile she has viewed Natalie and Sam (especially Natalie) with a certain degree of romantic interest from the very beginning. So to me, from a strictly narrative standpoint, it makes more sense that Natalie and Sam would progress further and more quickly than Dylan. Furthermore, from a strictly brass tax standpoint, the advancement of Dylan and Sophia's relationship will continue to be held back because it's the center of the game- once it's achieved the game has little else to offer the player.

I've never had a problem with you before, but this conversation has turned very unpleasant very quickly. If I misunderstood your opinion it was accidental, but I really don't want to clutter this thread with back-and-forths. You will probably have a reply, and that's fine, but I dislike it when other members have tit for tat disagreements and I don't want to engage in one of my own. The last word is yours, I really don't want to engage with you further.

 

[Rohanxxx]

walkthrough for v.150 ?

 

[jamdan]

I think Sam will get a "real" scene first. And by that I mean Sophia will actively, and purposely do lewd things with him. Not necessarily a sex scene, probably more like an enhanced and sober version of the hot tub scene. I can see Sam confess his love during their next event, Sophia being touched by him (literally and figuratively) and they end up making out again where she let's him grope her and gropes him back. Before, because of course, someone else shows up and Sam goes diving out the window.

That isn't to say Dylan isn't making progress. He's saw more of Sophia than Sam has overall and done the most lewd non-alcohol induced act at the beach. He's gotten to the point where he can grope her more or less whenever he wants too. I think their next important scene will happen in the bathroom, similar to Ellie's events. I don't have any real reason to think that, but the bathroom seems like a convenient place for some lewd progression.

 

[Notretsam]

Only someone with an invested interest in incest could think that Dylan would make a better choice for the event than Sam. Sam plays to many of Sophia's weaknesses, but Dylan only plays to fans of incest. That clearly shows when the first chance for Dylan points comes up before we even get to know his character, only that he is Sophia's son.

So the assumption that you're an ardent Dylan and/or incest fan isn't unwarranted, even if completely wrong

that is the thing though, I never said anything about who I wanted Sophia to have sex with, so there was nothing to assume regarding that.

I'm not griping, I was genuinely trying to have a discussion with you. My point was simply that, even if Dylan makes more logical sense than Sam, my read of the situation is that L&P is going to hold off on him and Sophia until the very end of the game. While Sophia has interacted with Dylan in ways that are certainly inappropriate in the past, it wasn't until the jog in the park that she viewed him as something more than her son. Meanwhile she has viewed Natalie and Sam (especially Natalie) with a certain degree of romantic interest from the very beginning. So to me, from a strictly narrative standpoint, it makes more sense that Natalie and Sam would progress further and more quickly than Dylan. Furthermore, from a strictly brass tax standpoint, the advancement of Dylan and Sophia's relationship will continue to be held back because it's the center of the game- once it's achieved the game has little else to offer the player.

I've never had a problem with you before, but this conversation has turned very unpleasant very quickly. If I misunderstood your opinion it was accidental, but I really don't want to clutter this thread with back-and-forths. You will probably have a reply, and that's fine, but I dislike it when other members have tit for tat disagreements and I don't want to engage in one of my own. The last word is yours, I really don't want to engage with you further.

didn't seem you were discussing what I was talking about, you for some strange reason focused on who would have sex with Sophia first and presumed I thought Dylan would when I never even said anything, I just corrected that.

End of the day, I don't really care who has sex with Sophia first, it's who doesn't that interests me more.

 

[Sabertooth__]

Only someone with an invested interest in incest could think that Dylan would make a better choice for the event than Sam. Sam plays to many of Sophia's weaknesses, but Dylan only plays to fans of incest. That clearly shows when the first chance for Dylan points comes up before we even get to know his character, only that he is Sophia's son.

So the assumption that you're an ardent Dylan and/or incest fan isn't unwarranted, even if completely wrong

Now this isn't in support of Notretsam's argument but I disagree with your assessment here of Dylan that he only has any meaning because of incest and nothing without it.

Sophia already has a strong affection for Dylan, all that needs to be done is twist that affection into one filled with sexual desire. For Sam this very affection had to be developed. Hence a reason had to be given for why Sophia would even be remotely interested in Sam. Music was chosen in this regard.
And honestly the only thing that Sam really has is the fact that he is in a rock band which is Sophia's weakness. Other than that he too isn't anything special.

And since you said it makes no sense for Dylan other than for the sake of incest. I would like to raise the question, how does it makes sense for Ellie other than for sake of incest. She has Alyssa, Nathalie, Patricia, Vicky, Marie. From mature women to young women, she has them all as options.

Hence why my opinion.

Most of the times for the Hetero route everyone has one of the 3 choices. Dylan, Sam, Zac. Since their routes are more or less similar, different approaches but still the same. For almost every person either one appeals to them while the other two seem like rivals.