VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.200] [Lust & Passion]

[GingerSweetGirl]

It's not easy for you, but for our Sophia ...

Got ya. I guess we need to see what kind of porn Sophia Google's.

Though pros know to use Bing.

 

[nexer]

Your Sophia perhaps. But flirting more wouldn't have been in character for those of us that still play more or less loyal to Liam. Remember Nat is still on the GW route.

For those who have played at least up to the Bikini scene: do it again, man.
For me it's the point where Sophia "broke" free or where we saw the real Sophia. She glides easily, feeling safe, towards a total lack of inhibition. Let's not forget it wasn't her husband there.
My message was that we are different, that what is hard for one is easy for another.

 

[DIRTY Filthy RAT]

Got ya. I guess we need to see what kind of porn Sophia Google's.

Though pros know to use Bing.

Naughty America (Milf Teacher)

 

[nexer]

Got ya. I guess we need to see what kind of porn Sophia Google's.

Though pros know to use Bing.

Facts not words.
If we go by what she says, Sophia is..., but if we look at what Sophia does, she is no longer ....
That's why I said the Bikini scene was underrated. That scene is no blackmail, no coercion, a safe environment

Wasn't hard for Sophia standing there in her underwear
You tell us that isn't easy to do.

 

[Alley_Cat]

For those who have played at least up to the Bikini scene: do it again, man.
For me it's the point where Sophia "broke" free or where we saw the real Sophia. She glides easily, feeling safe, towards a total lack of inhibition. Let's not forget it wasn't her husband there.
My message was that we are different, that what is hard for one is easy for another.

Do you mean the Bikini Fashion Show? What makes you think I've played it once, in order for me to play it again?

 

[nexer]

Do you mean the Bikini Fashion Show? What makes you think I've played it once, in order for me to play it again?

Sorry, then.

 

[hmc15]

Progress Report Ver. 0.155.

80% - 70%
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Middle of March is a near certainty. Shame of it is that this was supposed to be a "small" update and yet we'll likely get this small update and one more, maybe August/September, with a very outside chance for following January.

Oh well XD

 

[nexer]

What makes it easy in that scene is that she has gotten comfortable with her son over the course of the game through numerous scenes and interactions. There is a motherly love that also weakens her to Dylan. The bikini scene only happens if Dylan has already scene her breasts, partially naked, in numerous Bikinis, underwear.
The bikini show pushes the boundaries but not so far.

The Postman is a stranger, she is standing infront the main door. Even people passing by that road could see her. A mere postman could never compete with the level of comfort with Dylan atleast for just standing in underwear, that to for public viewing.

The only reason why it isn't too rash is because Nathalie instigates it and the postman is an Old Man. Sophia sees him as not a threat in comparison to if the the postman was some young dude.

I will say that L&P played it right by using another character to instigate Sophia and then use Murray since Sophia will feel safe enough to try this infront of him.

But Sam was there too.

 

[sept0342]

Middle of March is a near certainty. Shame of it is that this was supposed to be a "small" update and yet we'll likely get this small update and one more, maybe August/September, with a very outside chance for following January.

Oh well XD

It depends on how fast he finishes the bonus event.

 

[GingerSweetGirl]

To be fair, this isn't a "small" update. If I understand it correctly, this is the full morning, so it's no different than before when he was splitting the day up into quarters.

It just seems like another odd structural decision. "Hey, I'm going to change to an event-based release schedule. Except for the very first update of Part 2, that's going to be the full morning just like it was before."

Again, the next update will tell us a lot about his output, but maybe we've been asking the wrong question. Instead of asking why this update is taking so long, maybe we should be asking why the script wasn't structured to make better use of the event-based release schedule to minimize development time.

 

[Dr.SigmundFap]

What makes it easy in that scene is that she has gotten comfortable with her son over the course of the game through numerous scenes and interactions. There is a motherly love that also weakens her to Dylan. The bikini scene only happens if Dylan has already scene her breasts, partially naked, in numerous Bikinis, underwear.
The bikini show pushes the boundaries but not so far.

The Postman is a stranger, she is standing infront the main door. Even people passing by that road could see her. A mere postman could never compete with the level of comfort with Dylan atleast for just standing in underwear, that to for public viewing.

The only reason why it isn't too rash is because Nathalie instigates it and the postman is an Old Man. Sophia sees him as not a threat in comparison to if the the postman was some young dude.

I will say that L&P played it right by using another character to instigate Sophia and then use Murray since Sophia will feel safe enough to try this infront of him.

I'm afraid I have to disagree with this statement.

"What makes it easy in that scene is that she has gotten comfortable with her son over the course of the game through numerous scenes and interactions."

Suppose you choose to follow Dylan's path only and lock out everyone else in the filthy path. In that case, it makes no sense how she could feel comfortable or corrupted enough for Dylan to see her naked, bikinis, underwear, as there is hardly any corruption or how she could feel comfortable at all. Most of the playable days were nothing but a perverted fest on Dylan's part. If you played the filthy route unchained, you can justify her corruption level for some of the interactions between Dylan and her.

Being confused going through puberty is one thing as you're trying to discover yourself, but Dylan took that to a new level with all the First Person Shooters (Bathtub Scene) he was playing in real-time.

 

[Sabertooth__]

To be fair, this isn't a "small" update. If I understand it correctly, this is the full morning, so it's no different than before when he was splitting the day up into quarters.

It just seems like another odd structural decision. "Hey, I'm going to change to an event-based release schedule. Except for the very first update of Part 2, that's going to be the full morning just like it was before."

Again, the next update will tell us a lot about his output, but maybe we've been asking the wrong question. Instead of asking why this update is taking so long, maybe we should be asking why the script wasn't structured to make better use of the event-based release schedule to minimize development time.

Frankly even the next update seems big. Since there are actually two events. Part 1 and Part 2 of Ellie Dylan. Since nothing big has happened in the storyline till now, the next scenes could be long and be made with the intention to progress the storyline towards the end goal.

The updates after that are all individual event updates. The only other update that I can imagine being big is Dylan Sophia Part 2 which is update 8.

 

[Dr.SigmundFap]

To be fair, this isn't a "small" update. If I understand it correctly, this is the full morning, so it's no different than before when he was splitting the day up into quarters.

It just seems like another odd structural decision. "Hey, I'm going to change to an event-based release schedule. Except for the very first update of Part 2, that's going to be the full morning just like it was before."

Again, the next update will tell us a lot about his output, but maybe we've been asking the wrong question. Instead of asking why this update is taking so long, maybe we should be asking why the script wasn't structured to make better use of the event-based release schedule to minimize development time.

IMO, The "Script" wasn't structured better because he went from a 3-4 plan to a 20+ plan, and at this point, L&P has ideas and outlines but no "Script." So it's hard to determine a schedule when it sounds very disorganized. Plus, he is constantly editing his story, so it is almost, if not, impossible to minimize development time.

 

[xxxorro]

To be fair, this isn't a "small" update. If I understand it correctly, this is the full morning, so it's no different than before when he was splitting the day up into quarters.

It just seems like another odd structural decision. "Hey, I'm going to change to an event-based release schedule. Except for the very first update of Part 2, that's going to be the full morning just like it was before."

Again, the next update will tell us a lot about his output, but maybe we've been asking the wrong question. Instead of asking why this update is taking so long, maybe we should be asking why the script wasn't structured to make better use of the event-based release schedule to minimize development time.

Yes, it is the full morning, but it was not supposed a "big" morning like the previous one (130) in which we had

Morning 0.130

• Morning shower with Ellie ~159 renders
• In the spa with Vicky and her boyfriend DeShawn ~ 95 renders
• Visiting Larry Morello in prison ~103 renders / Surprising Liam at work ~109 renders

So 4 rather significant events.

Here we **assumed** to have one big event with the 4th Task and two short events, Morello and the bonus storyline. He never actually gave figures to back this up (e.g. number of renders, % share etc) but that's what we implied with the new developing/delivery method.

So it is difficult to see to which extent the developing time is taking long because of the new features (animations, most likely) and the preliminary work necessary even for later on, or on top of that also the bonus storyline is not as small as we assumed (realistically, Morello's cannot be much more than the 30 renders it was for the first meeting).

 

[Dr.SigmundFap]

Frankly even the next update seems big. Since there are actually two events. Part 1 and Part 2 of Ellie Dylan. Since nothing big has happened in the storyline till now, the next scenes could be long and be made with the intention to progress the storyline towards the end goal.

The updates after that are all individual event updates. The only other update that I can imagine being big is Dylan Sophia Part 2 which is update 8.

Then he just made another Aiden event (Major Event) again. IMO, a bonus scene should be short. But in this case, it sounds like another event versus a bonus scene.

 

[GingerSweetGirl]

IMO, The "Script" wasn't structured better because he went from a 3-4 plan to a 20+ plan, and at this point, L&P has ideas and outlines but no "Script." So it's hard to determine a schedule when it sounds very disorganized. Plus, he is constantly editing his story, so it is almost, if not, impossible to minimize development time.

And that's what I was driving at. L&P is shifting to event-based releases, but if the scripts aren't structured that way I'm not sure it's an effective strategy. This new strategy looks more like window dressing than an actual attempt to achieve anything.

 

[palmtrees89]

To be fair, this isn't a "small" update. If I understand it correctly, this is the full morning, so it's no different than before when he was splitting the day up into quarters.

It just seems like another odd structural decision. "Hey, I'm going to change to an event-based release schedule. Except for the very first update of Part 2, that's going to be the full morning just like it was before."

Again, the next update will tell us a lot about his output, but maybe we've been asking the wrong question. Instead of asking why this update is taking so long, maybe we should be asking why the script wasn't structured to make better use of the event-based release schedule to minimize development time.

I've also been thinking about this. If this first update is anywhere near the previous ones with 1/3rd of a PD in terms of renders, it could also mean that L&P has decided to once more up the render count for a single PD by quite alot. And while that would be a somewhat valid explanation on why this development cycle seems to be taking so terribly long, it would also mean even slower story progression. It would also make his statements about faster updates pretty much invalid.

Then again, if what you said is the case and following updates have much less content, the total render count for this PD might aswell end up being more or less the same as previous PD's, and the next updates could potentially come out considerably quicker. I guess we'll see what is what once the update is being released and the next development cycle begins.

I think most people (me included) had expected every update to have around ~250 renders to match the previous PD in total render count. Can't say I've got much hope for the next updates to come out quicker, but we'll see!

An interesting theory, though!

 

[GingerSweetGirl]

I've also been thinking about this. If this first update is anywhere near the previous ones with 1/3rd of a PD in terms of renders, it could also mean that L&P has decided to once more up the render count for a single PD by quite alot. And while that would be a somewhat valid explanation on why this development cycle seems to be taking so terribly long, it would also mean even slower story progression. It would also make his statements about faster updates pretty much invalid.

Then again, if what you said is the case and following updates have much less content, the total render count for this PD might aswell end up being more or less the same as previous PD's, and the next updates could potentially come out considerably quicker. I guess we'll see what is what once the update is being released and the next development cycle begins.

I think most people (me included) had expected every update to have around ~250 renders to match the previous PD in total render count. Can't say I've got much hope for the next updates to come out quicker, but we'll see!

An interesting theory, though!

One of the problems are these bonus events, they're total screwing up the idea of an event-based release schedule. In theory the updates should be composed on a single event, but smaller connecting events are still necessary. But when you're someone like L&P, these small events don't stay small. I'm beginning to think that the worst has happened and L&P has found a new way to stretch out the releases.

 

[armion82]

Not I. I suspect day 15!

Nah.It will be PD 16.
15 have almost nothing-only 1 big event.I have the feeling that right now,big event means 500+ renders.
PD 16 on the other hand should have at least 4 events with Elly
lesbian sex scene with an important character
big hetero sex scene with an important character
and another big hetero sex scene with an important character

 

[hzjujk]

One of the problems are these bonus events, they're total screwing up the idea of an event-based release schedule. In theory the updates should be composed on a single event, but smaller connecting events are still necessary. But when you're someone like L&P, these small events don't stay small. I'm beginning to think that the worst has happened and L&P has found a new way to stretch out the releases.

We don't know anything about the bonus event. It may as well turn out to be important for one or some routes. Bonus can also mean "I call it bonus because if I say who is participating I would be giving too much away".
And it seems very likely that the animations will focus on the bonus event. Again, this is just a guess.
Currently here in the forum, out of frustration and boredom, people are trading assumptions as if they were truths and this is going on for several pages. And everyone tells everyone he is wrong.
But the truth is, we know nothing and it will stay that way until he releases the update.