I not quite understand why people like Dylan, He seems a bit generic to me. I mean, there is quite a few games with characters like Dylan. Why wait months for the update to this game just to see Dylan, when you can play other games with similar characters?
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After talking with Alley_Cat and he confirmed it for me about the prison visit dialog it would seem that.
If Sophia has sex with Liam the night before, she still gets the relationship points with Larry, but he doesn't suggest the conjugal visits. He only does that if Sophia doesn't have sex with Liam on day 16 or 18. No mention in the code about day 13 though
If Sophia has sex with Liam the night before, she still gets the relationship points with Larry, but he doesn't suggest the conjugal visits. He only does that if Sophia doesn't have sex with Liam on day 16 or 18. No mention in the code about day 13 though
I think it's because pubescent teenage boys identify with him to some extent. This would help to explain why he's 17 but acts more like he's 12. It might be stretching things but I get the impression that he's something of a hero to them. You have to admit, his cock-blocking powers are extraordinary. I wish he would go away, or dare I say it, start really going after girls his own age, or even a couple of years older.
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Sophia and Liam had sex in my game, and Larry still mentioned the conjugal visit. But he only really did it in passing. Is he more aggressive if you don't have sex with Liam?
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Strange as it seems on my route I refused Liam and get the conjugal visit dialog but if I did have sex with Liam the dialog was cut out.
Could you please check your save gingersweetgirl and confirm this.
I have just done another run through on the filthy route and if Sophia has sex with Liam and larry asks Sophia when was the last time that they had sex and she says yesterday Larry replys lucky bastard and asks Sophia where she would like him to touch her but no mention of conjugal visit
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Here's what I get for dialog after Sophia pulls down her top to reveal her bra.
"Do you wanna know all the things I'd do with you if we could have some private time in one of the conjugal visit rooms?"
I then chose to listen to his fantasies
Larry then goes into his fantasy about needing at least 2 hours with Sophia. He eventually asks if Sophia likes the idea of being dominated. If you answer yes he continues and asks about sex in a public place. If you answer yes again he continues and leads to Sophia's daydream. From there I can tell him when Sophia last had sex, and she answers "yesterday." Larry continues to flirt with her, asking Sophia where she'd like him to touch her- which then leads to Sophia playing with her breasts. Yada yada yada from there.
Does that answer your question?
Did the post get shown here as an image? It's easy to pull/show a single quote from Patreon and make broader assumptions when you can't see the rest of the discussion that was taking place.
There have been spirited discussions about the Dylan Twist and most that are critical of this change (based on the year+ I have been a Patreon) have never liked Dylan in the first place, based on their Patreon and/or F95 posts. Old Dog is in that club and I've seen little of an even-handed approach from most of those who dislike Dylan. I am a Dylan fan and I know how much my attempts at an even-handed discussion about Dylan are appreciated by some of those, Patreons and here, who don't care for him
- cue the facepalms Here is a quote I posted earlier in Dec on F95:
Dylan's story - boarding school route, ends the Dylan/Sophia storyline. Removing the Twist does nothing to change the results, only the 'flavor.' If you did not like Dylan before, removing the Twist is unlikely to change your opinion of him and it does nothing to prevent you from making your choices if you want to minimize his content. As for keeping or removing the Twist, it has no impact on events - again, only on perception. It's quite an exaggeration to say that removing the Twist gives Dylan the ability to f__k every female character since L&P has said Explicitly - Boarding School = no Sophia/Dylan. As for the impact with any other female - we have no way of knowing future events other than what L&P has revealed (boarding school = Dylan/Amber but no Sophia, while accepting Aiden's blackmail = Sophia/Dylan but no Amber). I trust L&P to tell the story his way and, in the future if he plans on another 'Twist' like event, to bounce it off a trusted confidant to ensure that the effect he is trying to achieve as story teller matches the impact of the event. The Twist clearly did not as L&P has said in at least one other post.
So - bottom line - the Twist did not change the story. Sophia's decision: accept/refuse blackmail determines what happens to Dylan.
I even provided an idea on how this could have played out but L&P simply chose to remove the Twist.
We each still get to choose to play Dylan as we envision him.
Let's use the Yoga event as an example: during this event you get to make a choice: creep/don't creep on the ladies. The choice to creep during yoga (a choice made by the player) is considered by many to be immature/creepy. So - when you make that choice for Dylan - is it a surprise that your Dylan, fashioned by your choice - is creepy/immature? There is actually another option - choice - don't creep during Yoga (the choice I made since I don't see Dylan that way).
Many people make choices intended to maximize content then use those same choices as justification for why Dylan is immature, ignoring the role they played in shaping the Dylan of their story.
So - L&P gives us choices to shape many of the characters as we want to. If your Dylan is immature and creepy, the mirror holds a great clue why this is so.
Let's revisit this in a few months since the Dylan bashing is at least a quarterly occurrence.
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If Sophia doesn't have sex with Liam on day 16 or 18 the conjugal visit is missed as Alley_Cat is normally spot on with reading the code
Thankyou for checking gingersweetgirl I hope that I didn't cause you too much hassle
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I don't know if this is the message that convinced L&P to get rid of that twist, but it may have been.
In a little back and forth with L&P I wrote him the following message shortly after the Dylan Twist;
Thanks, and very true I do believe he to some degree his motives may be simply to alleviate Sophia's midlife crisis, and if that were his predominant motive then perhaps psychopath would indeed be a bit harsh of an analysis. Can you however honestly say with a straight face that was his only motive, or his overwhelming primary motive? Looking at things on the other hand one must not forget that the boy has been a bit of a "peeper" spying on her in the shower / getting dressed. He has spanked the monkey to her as well, and it is clear he has been having numerous sexual fantasies about her. So, his own sexual desires could also be included as a perceived motive for his actions.
I have played through your game a number of times analyzing what you have made quite a bit, on top of me being a writer myself that often can predict the next plot point in many stories, but this was still able to surprise me catching me off guard which simply goes as a credit to your writing abilities.
So, his level of psychopathy I would judge based on "Which of his motives does the reader perceive do be strongest?
"I am horny for Sophia" vs "I want to help Sophia out of her midlife crisis". The story has included as it must include a lot more of the "I am horny for Sophia" (Beach changing room scene, begging to see boobs at the store, bikini fashion show to name a few) coming from him much more often than "I want to help with midlife crisis" elements in my opinion. It feels like that scale is heavily weighted to one side.
One must not forget either;
It didn't appear to be a "genuine apology from the heart", more so a "forced apology". Remember, Zac had to punch him in the arm and guilt him into the apology in the first place. So part of his reason for apologizing in the first place is social pressure from one of his best friends, not genuine remorse for his wrongdoings.
Next, one must consider the fact, he mentions "Fight Club" in his reasoning. He got himself beat up on top of beating himself up in the aims of his objectives. One could say he views Tyler Durden as a role model or a person who he would like to be like. Tyler Durden is very clearly a psychopath, perhaps with some mental illnesses in spite of him being a very intelligent, popular, and relatable character.
In the subtext of the game, it can also be seen that Dylan idolized Grand Theft Auto 5 as well as he cares about it enough to put a poster on his wall. The player characters in all the GTA games could be described as psychopaths.
Also on his wall is a "batman" poster. One must not forget the 2012 batman shooting on Colorado. Perhaps he idolizes the Joker character who could be viewed as a psychopath role model as like Tyler Durden. One could argue he looks at himself as batman as well a vigilante.
Then imagine putting Dylan side by side with Sam. Compare and contrast the two as to who has more "pure motives". It's clear Sam can be looked at as the more pure of heart between the two.
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And they can play other games with faster updates and more sex scenes. That's why I'm confused as to why L&P spends hours customising assets with fashion labels, or getting clothes to fold properly (stil envious he managed it), when it's barely appreciated by the audience he's targetting with the changes to the plot.
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I really appreciate the quality in AWAM visual assets. We can see how much effort LP puts on them and that he tries to do better at every update and it pays off.
For every negative critic i give to AWAM's writing and plot progression, i gave thrice positive ones to it's visuals.
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Personally I don't think that any of the 1 star reviews are fair reviews of this game. It's just dumb and won't get through to him at all.
For a game to be a 1 star game in my opinion it would be one that crashes all the time, has terrible graphics, written in engrish. Buggy as hell menu's not doing what they are supposed to or a combination of that sort of thing.
Even if you hate this game. Even if you shit all over it and hate with a passion. Even then it still deserves at least 2 stars. Because although there are some games with a little better renders these are not 1 star renders not by a long shot. It's not like there is grain all over them or the models are hideous or anything, not like clothes are clipping and stuff. The writing you may not like that it is blue balling a bit and that is fair enough. There is an actual story and backstory there it's a lot of writing. At least it's written well enough to read even if it's really slow. It's meant to be erotica not so much porn.
The 1 star hater raters should give the man a 2nd star or even a 3rd star if you are feeling generous. I'm telling you right now he won't take any 1 star reviews seriously at all. You are "Just a troll" in his book. Very few developers will take a 1 star review seriously.
If you want to give him feedback about negative feelings about the game that he may actually listen to: Give him 2 or 3 stars and write more than 2 or 3 sentences in as great of detail as possible explaining exactly why you feel the way that you do.
For a game to be a 1 star game in my opinion it would be one that crashes all the time, has terrible graphics, written in engrish. Buggy as hell menu's not doing what they are supposed to or a combination of that sort of thing.
Even if you hate this game. Even if you shit all over it and hate with a passion. Even then it still deserves at least 2 stars. Because although there are some games with a little better renders these are not 1 star renders not by a long shot. It's not like there is grain all over them or the models are hideous or anything, not like clothes are clipping and stuff. The writing you may not like that it is blue balling a bit and that is fair enough. There is an actual story and backstory there it's a lot of writing. At least it's written well enough to read even if it's really slow. It's meant to be erotica not so much porn.
The 1 star hater raters should give the man a 2nd star or even a 3rd star if you are feeling generous. I'm telling you right now he won't take any 1 star reviews seriously at all. You are "Just a troll" in his book. Very few developers will take a 1 star review seriously.
If you want to give him feedback about negative feelings about the game that he may actually listen to: Give him 2 or 3 stars and write more than 2 or 3 sentences in as great of detail as possible explaining exactly why you feel the way that you do.
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A game me and my buddy are working on called "Damaged Goods".
https://f95zone.to/threads/damaged-goods-day-1-bugfix-2-yihman1-sinappeal.69672/
Stay away 1 star people! lol we got 50/50 stars possible right in our 10 reviews.
We released it on X-mas.
You are right.......but what can we do!!! I think the dev is not interest in mom son incest....rather he is more interest in lesbian and corruption.
Beside the corruption route seems to me a ntr route because whenever I play this game my inner mc become dylen not sophia.....and that's why I hate Sam most in the game....cause Sophia is more interested in Sam than Dylan (if u play corruption route).....I will be very disappointed if sam gets the chance to fuck Sophia or if dylen has to take Sam's help to fuck his mom..... lesbian route is fine to me.... overall I hate ntr.... that's I don't want to play female mc games....cause if u want some action u have to see ntr scenes...
The game would be much better if the mc is dylen.....
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he's like fucking 12yo, of course he clumsy at seducing an older woman
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One thing that could have made this update spectacular, but was a lost opportunity is on the Good Wife path.
The "Immediately change into the special dress for your husband" option namely.
Unfortunately the way it was written was that a male coworker of Liam enters the room... but with Liam there once again to ruin any fun at all.
This was PRIME SETUP for a "Mistaken Identity" fun scene. Imagine Liam is still at lunch. He tells his coworker, "Can you run back to my office real quick to grab some business report" Then the coworker comes and and sees Sophia's back like that saying "Did someone order a sexy horny housewife?" Then I see "What Sophia didn't know at this moment was" and I'm thinking to myself YES YES YES! This is it this is going to be fucking awesome...
Unfortunately no once again... Liam shows his face to ruin the fun. It's bad enough he walked in on Sophia and Ellie's shower fun time to ruin that.
Liam serves only and exactly 3 purposes in this entire game. They all suck.
1) Ruin Sophia's sex scenes with other people.
2) Have sex scenes with Sophia when or so that others can not.
3) Be retarded and gamble the house away making his family poor.
Now imagine that sexy office scene where Liam is not in the picture. He sent an underling coworker to "go fetch". Even if the coworker didn't go so far as to fuck her like that, but instead teased her a bit. It would have had that fun naughty fire to it. It would have been a much better scene.
If Liam gets hit by a truck in the next update and dies, and this game suddenly becomes "A widow and mother" and not "A wife and mother"... I predict a THUNDEROUS APPLAUSE everyone will cheer from the roof tops. Sure it would lose those cheating aspects, but it would be so worth it to see that mourning widow getting horny and going on a fuck fest after she has finally become free of that jackass. The Don better have put a hit on Liam.
The "Immediately change into the special dress for your husband" option namely.
Unfortunately the way it was written was that a male coworker of Liam enters the room... but with Liam there once again to ruin any fun at all.
This was PRIME SETUP for a "Mistaken Identity" fun scene. Imagine Liam is still at lunch. He tells his coworker, "Can you run back to my office real quick to grab some business report" Then the coworker comes and and sees Sophia's back like that saying "Did someone order a sexy horny housewife?" Then I see "What Sophia didn't know at this moment was" and I'm thinking to myself YES YES YES! This is it this is going to be fucking awesome...
Unfortunately no once again... Liam shows his face to ruin the fun. It's bad enough he walked in on Sophia and Ellie's shower fun time to ruin that.
Liam serves only and exactly 3 purposes in this entire game. They all suck.
1) Ruin Sophia's sex scenes with other people.
2) Have sex scenes with Sophia when or so that others can not.
3) Be retarded and gamble the house away making his family poor.
Now imagine that sexy office scene where Liam is not in the picture. He sent an underling coworker to "go fetch". Even if the coworker didn't go so far as to fuck her like that, but instead teased her a bit. It would have had that fun naughty fire to it. It would have been a much better scene.
If Liam gets hit by a truck in the next update and dies, and this game suddenly becomes "A widow and mother" and not "A wife and mother"... I predict a THUNDEROUS APPLAUSE everyone will cheer from the roof tops. Sure it would lose those cheating aspects, but it would be so worth it to see that mourning widow getting horny and going on a fuck fest after she has finally become free of that jackass. The Don better have put a hit on Liam.
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While I disagree, and think Dylan works better as an antagonist, I agree that L&P is being a bit wishy-washy in how he is portraying Dylan.
Personally I think he should either fully commit to making him an MC, change the name to "A Wife and Son" (or whatever) and rewrite the introduction to include him as a protagonist, or treat him like the other major characters (Ellie, Patricia and Sam) and stop showing him and his fans favouritism with changes to the story.