VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.201] [Lust & Passion]

[ancienregimele]

First off: I have never, ever, ever offered an opinion on who will fuck Sophia first - only very recently that I think Aiden will jump ahead of Sam and Dylan in the the race to Sophia's tender bits. So I'm not sure where you're coming from on the first point.

I don't recall ever commenting on removing "the twist", if I did I don't recall so I probably didn't feel too strongly about it either way.

And, you're not presenting an accurate summary of my opinion of Dylan. It can be summed up in two main components:
First, I don't want anything presented from Dylan's POV (or anyone else's for that matter) because I prefer the developer focus exclusively on Sophia and her POV. L&P is well on track to deliver a master class (as far as erotic/porn VN are concerned, context does matter) on a female MC story. There's tons of teen boys lusting after hot girls, ladies and older women being told from the teen boy's perspective so I'm not especially interested in another version of it. Especially to the extent that it adds development time (the yoga event was done twice and all I learned from Dylan's perspective is that hot chicks are really hot, especially when they are in skin tight clothing and even hotter still when they are naked. ??? That's a POV that ain't worth telling again, especially not in this story).

Second, I don't think, as I see the character of Sophia, which is my own synthesis based on how I process what I read and see when playing this game and based on my in-game choices which are likely not identical to yours, Sophia would ever take Dylan's dick insider her vagina unless she's no longer Sophia, meaning her transformation and degradation is so severe that she's unrecognizable to the character we met in the first few days, even to herself. Therefore, it is my conclusion from my opinion and impressions that if Sophia ever does take Dylan's dick into her vagina it will be because of a conscious choice of the author do decimate the character he created and present a doppelganger in her stead.

I'm not entirely sure that make me a brick wall?

There will have to be 'copulation' with Dylan at some point, judging by what's gone before & to satisfy the Dylan fans. It's so far in the future that it's not worth thinking about too much. That being said IMO, I think with the way things are going that the game could well have been abandoned by then, or we'll perhaps be playing something else. That would be sad but at least we'd always have San Alejo.

Either way, I'll be giving it a miss. I do like the choices....sometimes.

 

[GingerSweetGirl]

In order for Dylan to have sex with Sophia, not only doe she need to be corrupted but I think there needs to be an additional push. We know that there's a cuckold element to Dylan's story, so I wonder if him watching/catching Sophia having sex with someone else will give him the opening. Not in a blackmail way, but in a "Oh no, Dylan saw me with Sam. Maybe I need to make him happy so he keeps his mouth shut."

I don't know. While I know it's going to happen for sure, I can't come up with a scenario in which it feels natural. I think the time jumps are going to be really important for Dylan, especially if it provides L&P the opportunity to fill in story elements that will advance their relationship. If the game was only 30 CONSECUTIVE days, I don't think Dylan would have a shot. So Dylan's relationship with Sophia needs to take some big steps and the time jumps can help with that.

 

[m4pII]

Several of us have commented in the past that L&P seems to write the female characters better than male characters. As a confirmed heterosexual male I started playing the game wanting to see how much dick Sophia could take. But having played the game when I came up with the list of who I wanted to see Sophia have sex with by the end of the game (across various routes and so not all on one playthrough) it was like 70%-80% female.

Depending on what happens at Cathy's Hen Party that's 9 or 10 lovely ladies!!

And the girls have definitely got further with Sophia so far.

That's right, this is the first thing that caught my eye during the game. Sorry for my rudeness, but Sophia needs to be fucked well)
And I do not see any "man" in this game capable of this.
Therefore, for now, I'm only interested in the Lesbian route)

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[ancienregimele]

Most of the time, people give themselves skills that they don't quite have.

Instead, he should open a skill competition to see who is capable of making a good rendering. For example, describe a situation (characters, place, time of day, event) and ask for some renderings

This is the only way to start the selection of candidates. Otherwise too many people will say : I can !

Let's not forget that the main thing is to provide quickly renderings (good quality and quantity).

The management of the story falls to L&P

Then it will be the personality, who is motivated enough? able to understand and follow instructions ? And a trustworthy person of course.

You're correct but this is jumping ahead. This type of test should occur once a shortlist has been drafted. If the recruitment is done correctly this should consist of a number of individuals who can do the job. It would then be down to L&P to judge who were the best at this stage & who, if any, would progress further into the process. How the ad(s) are worded should serve as a first filter for potential applicants. This could include the information that practical tests were planned & thus deter the 'too hopefuls.'

Initial ads could stress the self-motivation factor but ultimately this would be up to the Dev as the Manager.

 

[Poser_Voyeur]

That's right, this is the first thing that caught my eye during the game. Sorry for my rudeness, but Sophia needs to be fucked well)
And I do not see any "man" in this game capable of this.
Therefore, for now, I'm only interested in the Lesbian route)

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When we first met Don Morello at the casino, and the way he talked to Sophia, well he seemed the perfect guy to romance Sophia. But unfortunately in the next scene when Sophia and Liam visit his office, Don Morello reveals that he is happily married. And L&P has said in Patreon posts previously shared to this thread, that there is NO prospect of Indecent Proposal scenario. So I had to get off the Don Morello train.

Of the younger guys, Sam seems best placed to appeal to Sophia from a more romantic perspective. I am intrigued as to what will happen after this evening's Rock concert.

Of course there will be many players who hope that a "Bad Boy" will fuck Sophia senseless. I guess they are hoping for sex for either Larry or Aiden. If that was to actually happen in the future then I would probably play through that scene, but won't be my main Game Saves.

I presume you mean Jessica O'Neill in JOHN, I won't talk about it too much on AWAM thread to avoid going too far off-topic. But I did like the way she is escalating things with Mr Parker (having so far given hi a Handjob and footrubbing), she has flirted with Tommy, and let Mayor finger her to orgasm). I have commented before that it is easier for Jessica to be corrupted than Sophia due to differences in age/marital status/career. Plus I suspect that L&P and Stoper are trying to tell different stories, both of which I can enjoy in different ways.

 

[Bullx]

That's right, this is the first thing that caught my eye during the game. Sorry for my rudeness, but Sophia needs to be fucked well)
And I do not see any "man" in this game capable of this.
Therefore, for now, I'm only interested in the Lesbian route)

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i see a lot of Man who can do this : Jason or Haru, Sam, Zac, Aiden, Mr. Benett usw

 

[Deleted member 3491279]

I'm not experience is many things i life and maybe what i saying is completly wrong but i note that many people in his 40s try to add more spicy in his sexual activities like swinging or roleplay. Maybe they are just tired of conventional sex and maybe that's what happen to Sophia. And i think this game is more about fulfil their hidden desires than just sleep with someone else than her huband. So attraction i don't think that works in this case, is more cut that part in the brain that says to us don't do that.

 

[m4pII]

When we first met Don Morello at the casino, and the way he talked to Sophia, well he seemed the perfect guy to romance Sophia. But unfortunately in the next scene when Sophia and Liam visit his office, Don Morello reveals that he is happily married. And L&P has said in Patreon posts previously shared to this thread, that there is NO prospect of Indecent Proposal scenario. So I had to get off the Don Morello train.

Of the younger guys, Sam seems best placed to appeal to Sophia from a more romantic perspective. I am intrigued as to what will happen after this evening's Rock concert.

Of course there will be many players who hope that a "Bad Boy" will fuck Sophia senseless. I guess they are hoping for sex for either Larry or Aiden. If that was to actually happen in the future then I would probably play through that scene, but won't be my main Game Saves.

I presume you mean Jessica O'Neill in JOHN, I won't talk about it too much on AWAM thread to avoid going too far off-topic. But I did like the way she is escalating things with Mr Parker (having so far given hi a Handjob and footrubbing), she has flirted with Tommy, and let Mayor finger her to orgasm). I have commented before that it is easier for Jessica to be corrupted than Sophia due to differences in age/marital status/career. Plus I suspect that L&P and Stoper are trying to tell different stories, both of which I can enjoy in different ways.

The problem is that I just don't see “men” who have a chance to do this.
Almost all of the main male characters are virgin boys. They are not capable of this.
I know that I am in the absolute minority here.
But I cannot take them seriously.

I really liked the scenes with men in the sauna and club.There were no serious intimate scenes, but the level of eroticism, dialogues, the characters themselves, and the scenes were staged perfectly.
I am very sorry that the author decided not to continue this storyline.

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[Cold brew]

Well, it's just written in a obtuse way. Just dropped in like that, without thinking. Made an assertion that you made up yourself and like so many here who make negative comments about Dylan, are not true. Maybe you are only after "likes" with this quote. Also possible. Definitely get a like from Cat, cold brew, viper and whatever their names are. Yeah!!!

Ok. I don't dispute you love Dylan and you think he walks on water. Bottom line, you want him to stick it to Sophia. Everyone has a favorite. The big picture is that everyone somehow hopes Sophia will get the soul breaking orgasms she deserves. All agree. The young, the old, all men and women, gay or straight, this includes extra terrestrials in all other galaxies... and most especially Sophia. She is the Center of our universe here. Everyone definitely does not want this game to be abandoned.

I have been able to separate out what you wish Dylan to be and what he actually is. Those two things are drastically different. I am only stating truth and following the facts. Just desperately trying to save others from drowning in Dylan induced traumas of frustration. Forgive me for getting emotional when he threatens the future of the game and delays the updates.

I don't hate you or others who sympathize with your emotion. I feel for you because Dylan Mind fcks with those who listen to him. What pisses me off is that he is such a cockblocker. This is purely based on his underhanded and deceitful ways he has Fck'd with everyone on this thread and L&P. Dylan milks your sympathies with his manipulations. After a year of this, I have accepted you don't see it that way. I have never attacked you or tried to rub it in when the truth was exposed on the points I had been saying previously. In fact, after Dylan's big reveal in boarding school, I went silent for well over 6 months. I Had sympathy. I let you have your time to heal and come to terms with what he was really like.

My honest advise is this. Somehow imagine Zach or Sam as Sophia's. You pick. Convince yourself somehow this is true. Then you got a shot with what you wish. Hell, Sophia wishes that Sam was hers already. Dylan can never happen. It is a trap. If the trap is sprung, then the universe ends.

 

[Zardoz1992]

This whole game is a long tease. I will return in 2025 when Sophia finally has an orgasm

 

[Bishop Robert]

I found it hard to believe to but kinda makes sense in a way, Also she has no reason to lie about it since it clearly embarresed her unless she's a master manipulater like Patrica.

I would be kinda of like to see Dylan and Ellie lose there virginity to each other since Sofia all but told her to make sure it's with a guy she loves and well she's gotta love her bro right?

I would enjoy Dylan and Ellie, I actully would like Dylan and Auntie Patricia . Never had the idea of those two until that yoga event.

 

[Bane71]

I won't pretend successful recruitment, retention & development is easy but there are a number of ways it can be done. L&P should draft a person specification for exactly the kind of Assistant he requires, then send it to me & we'll take it from there. I'm serious....advice provided gratis from someone who's recruited into 100's of roles, everything from GP's to Martial Arts Instructors. It's work but it's not rocket science.

You are absolutely right, this is not rocket science.
Unfortunately, when it comes to creative work, and this is our case, recruiting staff is a more difficult task. For rocket science you need a technician, engineer or someone else, and his moral and ethical qualities are of little importance.
In the case of the development of this game, L&P must trust the partner, delegate to him not only certain work, but also reveal creative ideas.
I suppose he has practically no leverage if his new employee discloses any details to the public ahead of time.
Understand that such an action is a very strong blow for a creative person, especially the one that L&P has shown itself to be.
It is impossible to insure against betrayal; it takes a long enough time to work together to earn trust. Exactly the time that we are so lacking!

I'm not trying to defend L&P, don't get me wrong.
I just understand him very well.
On the pages of fan art, I published my fan story about Sophia. This is just a little fan story, but you can't imagine how upset I was when the artist who drew for my story 3D renderings, without asking my permission, published them.
I have also been looking for a 3D artist to work together for over a year now, which is 1000 times easier than what L&P does, and so far all attempts to work together have been unsuccessful.

In addition, I am a manager of several business projects, I have to work with different people, different professions and qualifications.
Therefore, my experience allows me to understand L&P fairly objectively.

 

[Bane71]

Most of the time, people give themselves skills that they don't quite have.

Instead, L&P should open a skill competition to see who is capable of making a good rendering. For example, describe a situation (characters, place, time of day, event) and ask for some renderings

This is the only way to start the selection of candidates. Otherwise too many people will say : I can ! and we're all gonna waste time

Let's not forget that the main thing is to provide quickly renderings (good quality and quantity).

The management of the story falls to L&P

Then it will be the personality, who is motivated enough? able to understand and follow instructions ? And a trustworthy person of course.

Yes, that's right! But who told us that he doesn't?

 

[Jude6]

... how did you decide the order for characters on the same level?

It was random-ish.
I listed all the characters I could think of who have properly interacted with Sophia, so you could say it's in order of characters whose scenes were most memorable to me. Then re-ordered according to level, then I re-positioned the women to spread them out more because it looks better.

You don't have to be on Dylan's path in order to set him up with Emma (as far as I know)...

Unfortunately you do.
I wasn't able to find exactly what the cut-off point is but Sophia doesn't get the option to set them up if she hasn't had a few scenes of Dylan making horny demands of her.
I was trying to assemble a 'Good Wife who plays match-maker for her kids' playthrough but couldn't set Emma & Dylan up without going down a ways into the Dylan path - I do know you have to get at least as far as the 'Bikini Deal' scene with Dylan for Emma to be an option... by then I got tired of the repeated roll-back, replay and gave up.

Thanks for the graph! I missed the numbers for better orientation and added them...

You're welcome, I like the way you laid out the numbers, that didn't occur to me.
I'd been wanting to put the numbers directly on the pie but couldn't think of a way to lay them out that didn't make it look messy.

Ivan doesn't touch/grope her.

Yeah, fortuna95 is correct. The segment turns black once they have achieved that task.
There may actually be some wrong on there though, I kept having to check and re-check because I couldn't keep the 'Up to level' or 'Including level' straight while I was doing it.

...
So who could be the first?
An experienced man who will be able to make her come, hold out long enough to give her one or more orgasms.
...

This is a good point too.
Sophia's first real acts of adultery would have to be positive & physically rewarding to convince her that it was worthwhile and worth repeating with others.
Although the independence of some of the available routes does squash this a little bit.

So far the main quality we've seen consistently in all potential Male LI's starts and ends with Has a bigger dick than Liam (Dylan, Zac, Clark, Mr. Bennett, DeShawn, Logan & his bros)

 

[Hlextor]

Ok. I don't dispute you love Dylan and you think he walks on water. Bottom line, you want him to stick it to Sophia. Everyone has a favorite. The big picture is that everyone somehow hopes Sophia will get the soul breaking orgasms she deserves. All agree. The young, the old, all men and women, gay or straight, this includes extra terrestrials in all other galaxies... and most especially Sophia. She is the Center of our universe here. Everyone definitely does not want this game to be abandoned.

I have been able to separate out what you wish Dylan to be and what he actually is. Those two things are drastically different. I am only stating truth and following the facts. Just desperately trying to save others from drowning in Dylan induced traumas of frustration. Forgive me for getting emotional when he threatens the future of the game and delays the updates.

I don't hate you or others who sympathize with your emotion. I feel for you because Dylan Mind fcks with those who listen to him. What pisses me off is that he is such a cockblocker. This is purely based on his underhanded and deceitful ways he has Fck'd with everyone on this thread and L&P. Dylan milks your sympathies with his manipulations. After a year of this, I have accepted you don't see it that way. I have never attacked you or tried to rub it in when the truth was exposed on the points I had been saying previously. In fact, after Dylan's big reveal in boarding school, I went silent for well over 6 months. I Had sympathy. I let you have your time to heal and come to terms with what he was really like.

My honest advise is this. Somehow imagine Zach or Sam as Sophia's. You pick. Convince yourself somehow this is true. Then you got a shot with what you wish. Hell, Sophia wishes that Sam was hers already. Dylan can never happen. It is a trap. If the trap is sprung, then the universe ends.

Well, a little thickly applied. I'm not that in love with Dylan. Well, I favor him, yes. But I play all the paths so far. What I don't play or what I cancel is Cuckold with Dylan (NTR is out of the question for me), Bennet and I think also Aiden. I'm not sure about Sam!
I feel Sam is extremely doubtful as Dylan's friend. He's lusting after his mom, saying that he thinks she's really fucking awesome and his look says that he wants to fuck her. It's obvious that Dylan resists this.
And then he pretends to be innocent with Sophia. It feels so calculating to me. Not a good character for me, right? But I'm not calling him a piece of shit or anything like that. I know there are a lot of Sam fans here. And accept them. That's the difference. It's always the same guys here who denigrate Dylan. And that's annoying. That's all it is. You can also criticize diplomatically without being abusive.

 

[Cold brew]

You are absolutely right, this is not rocket science.
Unfortunately, when it comes to creative work, and this is our case, recruiting staff is a more difficult task. For rocket science you need a technician, engineer or someone else, and his moral and ethical qualities are of little importance.
In the case of the development of this game, L&P must trust the partner, delegate to him not only certain work, but also reveal creative ideas.
I suppose he has practically no leverage if his new employee discloses any details to the public ahead of time.
Understand that such an action is a very strong blow for a creative person, especially the one that L&P has shown itself to be.
It is impossible to insure against betrayal; it takes a long enough time to work together to earn trust. Exactly the time that we are so lacking!

I'm not trying to defend L&P, don't get me wrong.
I just understand him very well.
On the pages of fan art, I published my fan story about Sophia. This is just a little fan story, but you can't imagine how upset I was when the artist who drew for my story 3D renderings, without asking my permission, published them.
I have also been looking for a 3D artist to work together for over a year now, which is 1000 times easier than what L&P does, and so far all attempts to work together have been unsuccessful.

In addition, I am a manager of several business projects, I have to work with different people, different professions and qualifications.
Therefore, my experience allows me to understand L&P fairly objectively.

I agree. I won't get too much into my past experiences but yeah, I agree. In short, it is not just how great they are at a technical thing or specialty. Do they relate with right set of "soft skills". That is absolutely critical to match up. Without it there is no teamwork. While nobody is perfect, the vampires are real. Their only objective is to drain and kill you while they take what they can to feed their ambition and ego. L&P's situation is really difficult. Deep into it and on an island alone. I get it. L&P has to trust the gut and hopefully have a supportive peer group at the minimum. Nobody should work with someone with no trust or that's not worthy.

 

[Cold brew]

Well, a little thickly applied. I'm not that in love with Dylan. Well, I favor him, yes. But I play all the paths so far. What I don't play or what I cancel is Cuckold with Dylan (NTR is out of the question for me), Bennet and I think also Aiden. I'm not sure about Sam!
I feel Sam is extremely doubtful as Dylan's friend. He's lusting after his mom, saying that he thinks she's really fucking awesome and his look says that he wants to fuck her. It's obvious that Dylan resists this.
And then he pretends to be innocent with Sophia. It feels so calculating to me. Not a good character for me, right? But I'm not calling him a piece of shit or anything like that. I know there are a lot of Sam fans here. And accept them. That's the difference. It's always the same guys here who denigrate Dylan. And that's annoying. That's all it is. You can also criticize diplomatically without being abusive.

That is an interesting perspective on Sam. I get where you are coming from. I view Sophia is a force of nature. There is really not much control from many when it comes to her.

 

[Adolfo]

Three important news. Probably the week between the 12 and 13 days will dissapear. Only a new pic (and last before the update) will be post but about Aiden's event, not Dylan's event to prevent problems. And last, he will take off the soccer team coaching, but LP have said that could make a dlc for that event.

 

[Scarlet56]

Update v0.115, and especially the dream sex scene with Larry but also the way that Sophia was looking at DeShawn's cock in the sauna, did feel as if things were beginning to accelerate. (To the extent some were concerned might even be moving too fast too soon given the previous story).

We will be able to guess more clearly after we have seen update v0.130 next month. Will the afternoon's events continue the progress glimpsed in the morning? With Sam's concert to come in the evening. I am hoping this Playable Day will in hindsight be the pivotal day when things started accelerating in the direction we all hope that Sophia will get too soon.

But at the moment - hope is all it is, as I am trying to keep my expectations in check. I suspect my interpretation of a "Hot Event" is wildly different to L&P's.

But day 13 is mostly Dylan:
IMO, day 13 will be a break day on Sophia's sexual advancement (towards men anyway)

 

[Bane71]

Three important news. Probably the week between the 12 and 13 days will dissapear. Only a new pic (and last before the update) will be post but about Aiden's event, not Dylan's event to prevent problems. And last, he will take off the soccer team coaching, but LP have said that could make a dlc for that event.

He won't give Sofia a coaching job !?
In terms of time, we are saving something.
But in terms of eroticism and plot, we lose pictures when young athletic boys admire Sofia and dream of having sex with her.