VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.201] [Lust & Passion]

[Old Dog]

It's hard to disagree. But, it all depends on who is blackmailing and what is the subject of blackmail.
This is where the problems begin.

The only blackmail in the game is the Aiden route

 

[Alley_Cat]

It's hard to disagree. But, it all depends on who is blackmailing and what is the subject of blackmail.
This is where the problems begin.

As I've said before, I really don't understand why Sophia would submit to the blackmail of either Aiden or Bennett. Sophia has done nothing wrong in both cases. With Aiden, Dylan even asks Sophia to be able to handle it himself, which would be his right, and when he realises he's over his head, then ask Sophia for help. That's the first time she should step in. He'll never learn to take care of himself if he's not allowed to try and fail first.

 

[Adolfo]

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I still think it's possible to put these three things into that bag! And I don't think that a woman would leave her bag in the car in such situation! In the motorcycle dress is no place neither for her wallet nor her "women stuff"! Plus, in such situation even a woman wouldn't think about if this is the proper way to pack away her clothes. It's like your child is in danger and the mother throws her expensive Gucci bag away to help her kid. And you would say "no, a woman would never throw her expensive Gucci bag on a dirty ground"!

Sophia is the german version of Marie Kondo

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I still think it's possible to put these three things into that bag! And I don't think that a woman would leave her bag in the car in such situation! In the motorcycle dress is no place neither for her wallet nor her "women stuff"! Plus, in such situation even a woman wouldn't think about if this is the proper way to pack away her clothes. It's like your child is in danger and the mother throws her expensive Gucci bag away to help her kid. And you would say "no, a woman would never throw her expensive Gucci bag on a dirty ground"!

Sophia is the german version of Marie Kondo

 

[hzjujk]

Those things do happen in reality, you can find stories (real ones) of women leaving their husbands, boyfriends etc to the arms of another woman. Same thing can happen with guys.

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Imho, the realizm aspect has blown out of proportion. How can it be realistic and include incest? I'm pretty sure incest is a real thing that still happens in real world, but the chances a woman like Sophia who is well educated, and sits well in the upper class of society to engage in incest is absolutely 0. That said, imo, realizm is relative. In comparison to any other incest centered game - this one is more realistic. Same with female corruption games. How can one expect this game to reach a final unrealistic destination with realistic steps?

What I guess L&P is doing - he's trying to move in small steps, some of them are truly realistic and some of them lack realizm but almost all of them are not truly unrealistic, in order to reach an unrealistic destination with somewhat believable steps.

I would disagree!
Incest = perversion = desire > Intelligence ! In reality, education does not depend in any way on education and social class.

 

[demptd]

I would disagree!
Incest = perversion = desire > Intelligence ! In reality, education does not depend in any way on education and social class.
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dirty mind does not depends on education..we are what we are...we are here for porn fantasies..we are here for incest , anal ,dp, fmm, mmf , shares,cheating..all reasons..people who says are here for educational reasons or whatever theyr reasons are,waiting for good games..so take out your credit card and pay for..

 

[Sabertooth__]

No one is trying to hurt his pride.

Realism is the main driving force of the entire game. This is the reason why the game is so loved, and this is the excuse for its shortcomings.
And therefore, it is not surprising that any questions, even the smallest ones, calling into question the basis of the game, cause such heated debates.

For example, I don't understand the storyline with Ayden at all. I don't understand how Sofia could agree to blackmail from some children.
Even more, I do not understand how such an adult and intelligent woman like Sofia can conspire to meet with a young bandit, leave her car in the city, not warn anyone, change into a whore, and go out of town, into the unknown, where she can easily be locked in a basement and rape in a group.

Realism, ... but not really. Unfortunately, this topic is no longer raised here.

And about the moral state of the author.
I have met several artists in my life. And from experience I know that good criticism is sometimes more useful than blind fanaticism.

And I would really like this forum to remain a place where you can hear criticism, and not turn into a place of worship for the author. And if the price of this is that L＆P will come out of the bubble of adoration (comfort zone) and hurt his feelings, then so be it.

You question how she can agree to the blackmail. Tell me what should she do when she has already gone to the polic eto report the matter and it was a failure. When she complained to the principal and he could do nothing about it. How can she ensure her son's 100% safety from a guy who has connection with such hooligans who can do anything. Suggest a good way. Don't mention the boarding school though since even that does not ensure complete safety of Dylan. You have a way out of this.

When one is blackmailed they listen to the blackmailer not show an attitude and refuse to comply with demands. Asking to wear a particular outfit, Aiden's already done that. So that's no biggy. Also this is Sophia who is fascinated by Aiden's tasks. Has 100 points in corruption.
Sophia's safety is jeopardized yes but that is because she does not have a choice. The only threat she is actually in is of rape. Why would a guy who is getting his demands fulfilled without even having to be physically assertive straight away go to a rape. If he does rape, not even his uncle will be able to save him and he is aware of that. He never lets cameras around him because he is aware of what can actually get him in trouble and when his uncle won't be able to save him. He has 9 tasks left. He is not stupid enough to not take it slowly. Plus we haven't seen any Milf fantasies from him. And all these are things known to Sophia as well. She can analyse things too. There is lots of evidence that can be found if anything happens to Sophia . Like the last call to Sophia's number would show from Aiden. He can be a prime suspect if anything happens.
The whole thing is risky but not so much that people are making it out to be. The danger would be real if it was Bennett. She is cornered in the blackmail storyline and must listen to Aiden. Plus till now he has done nothing that even involves touching Sophia. Don't you think Sophia understands that. At the 4th task she will find a solution to stop this which means there is nothing at the moment that can actually keep Dylan safe.


And when L&P says realism I believe it isn't about how the shadows look realistic or not or whether things fit in a bag or not. It is how things progress towards something erotic and even so it is blatantly visible that realistically none of this is possible. So suddenly wanting hundred percent realism makes no sense to me. All he wants to do is not come off as the cliche developments leading to erotic scenes. 30 days in never ever ever going to be enough to corrupt a woman who has been loyal to her husband for 20 years. That itself is unrealistic.

Letting your son use you as fap material is not realistic even in that situation.
She has hardly known Alyssa for few days and she is using her sybian Infront her in her house.
Julia your friends daughter. What is the best way to make her feel confident about her sexuality. Let her fondle and kiss you. How realistic. Best way for an intelligent woman and teacher to handle a teenagers confused feelings.
Wearing the skimpiest of bikinis possible in front of your son and his friend when until a few days ago you wouldn't wear a two piece Infront of him.

All I want to point out is that. All these events went by and even though unrealistic they were portrayed well. So there can never be realism in reality, it is all about how he will write the scene. And as audience we need to keep in mind that it can't always be completely realistic.


Also what might seem unrealistic to one might be a reality someone has lived. Reality is full of unexpected events we all know that. We all have done things in our life maybe in the heat off the moment because we didn't have time to come up with the best solution. It might not be logical but that's what we did

 

[Alley_Cat]

You question how she can agree to the blackmail. Tell me what should she do when she has already gone to the polic eto report the matter and it was a failure. When she complained to the principal and he could do nothing about it. How can she ensure her son's 100% safety from a guy who has connection with such hooligans who can do anything. Suggest a good way. Don't mention the boarding school though since even that does not ensure complete safety of Dylan. You have a way out of this.

When one is blackmailed they listen to the blackmailer not show an attitude and refuse to comply with demands. Asking to wear a particular outfit, Aiden's already done that. So that's no biggy. Also this is Sophia who is fascinated by Aiden's tasks. Has 100 points in corruption.
Sophia's safety is jeopardized yes but that is because she does not have a choice. The only threat she is actually in is of rape. Why would a guy who is getting his demands fulfilled without even having to be physically assertive straight away go to a rape. If he does rape, not even his uncle will be able to save him and he is aware of that. He never lets cameras around him because he is aware of what can actually get him in trouble and when his uncle won't be able to save him. He has 9 tasks left. He is not stupid enough to not take it slowly. Plus we haven't seen any Milf fantasies from him. And all these are things known to Sophia as well. She can analyse things too. There is lots of evidence that can be found if anything happens to Sophia . Like the last call to Sophia's number would show from Aiden. He can be a prime suspect if anything happens.
The whole thing is risky but not so much that people are making it out to be. The danger would be real if it was Bennett. She is cornered in the blackmail storyline and must listen to Aiden. Plus till now he has done nothing that even involves touching Sophia. Don't you think Sophia understands that. At the 4th task she will find a solution to stop this which means there is nothing at the moment that can actually keep Dylan safe.


And when L&P says realism I believe it isn't about how the shadows look realistic or not or whether things fit in a bag or not. It is how things progress towards something erotic and even so it is blatantly visible that realistically none of this is possible. So suddenly wanting hundred percent realism makes no sense to me. All he wants to do is not come off as the cliche developments leading to erotic scenes. 30 days in never ever ever going to be enough to corrupt a woman who has been loyal to her husband for 20 years. That itself is unrealistic.

Letting your son use you as fap material is not realistic even in that situation.
She has hardly known Alyssa for few days and she is using her sybian Infront her in her house.
Julia your friends daughter. What is the best way to make her feel confident about her sexuality. Let her fondle and kiss you. How realistic. Best way for an intelligent woman and teacher to handle a teenagers confused feelings.
Wearing the skimpiest of bikinis possible in front of your son and his friend when until a few days ago you wouldn't wear a two piece Infront of him.

All I want to point out is that. All these events went by and even though unrealistic they were portrayed well. So there can never be realism in reality, it is all about how he will write the scene. And as audience we need to keep in mind that it can't always be completely realistic.


Also what might seem unrealistic to one might be a reality someone has lived. Reality is full of unexpected events we all know that. We all have done things in our life maybe in the heat off the moment because we didn't have time to come up with the best solution. It might not be logical but that's what we did

Carl. Rich. Powerful. Connected. We already know he's connected enough to get Dylan a place on the football team. As I've said in the main thread before, doesn't give a thought to throw thousands, possibly tens of thousands without question at someone who isn't even a blood relative.

A single phone call from Carl gets both Dylan and Zac spots at a prestigious boarding school.

Carl certainly isn't as connected as someone like Tony Morello, but the name Carl Turner still apparently pulls some weight in San Alejo.

 

[frank14]

is the game dead?

 

[Френсис2]

[QUOTE = "Catherine1972, post: 5620657, member: 2922031"]
Даже в версии №2 всегда один и тот же ответ :закатывать глаза:
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so someone can answer where to download version 130 or not?

 

[Old Dog]

[QUOTE = "Catherine1972, post: 5620657, member: 2922031"]
Даже в версии №2 всегда один и тот же ответ :закатывать глаза:
[/ЦИТИРОВАТЬ]
so someone can answer where to download version 130 or not?

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[Scorpion4769]

When does Sophia show her penis?

 

[Френсис2]

[QUOTE = "badasst82, сообщение: 5622628, участник: 585917"]
я хочу знать, будет ли еще одна встреча ...
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yes second date is what it takes they will definitely fuck each other

 

[Френсис2]

version 130 released? where can I download? Can't find on 1 page

 

[nexer]

You question how she can agree to the blackmail. Tell me what should she do when she has already gone to the polic eto report the matter and it was a failure. When she complained to the principal and he could do nothing about it. How can she ensure her son's 100% safety from a guy who has connection with such hooligans who can do anything. Suggest a good way. Don't mention the boarding school though since even that does not ensure complete safety of Dylan. You have a way out of this.

When one is blackmailed they listen to the blackmailer not show an attitude and refuse to comply with demands. Asking to wear a particular outfit, Aiden's already done that. So that's no biggy. Also this is Sophia who is fascinated by Aiden's tasks. Has 100 points in corruption.
Sophia's safety is jeopardized yes but that is because she does not have a choice. The only threat she is actually in is of rape. Why would a guy who is getting his demands fulfilled without even having to be physically assertive straight away go to a rape. If he does rape, not even his uncle will be able to save him and he is aware of that. He never lets cameras around him because he is aware of what can actually get him in trouble and when his uncle won't be able to save him. He has 9 tasks left. He is not stupid enough to not take it slowly. Plus we haven't seen any Milf fantasies from him. And all these are things known to Sophia as well. She can analyse things too. There is lots of evidence that can be found if anything happens to Sophia . Like the last call to Sophia's number would show from Aiden. He can be a prime suspect if anything happens.
The whole thing is risky but not so much that people are making it out to be. The danger would be real if it was Bennett. She is cornered in the blackmail storyline and must listen to Aiden. Plus till now he has done nothing that even involves touching Sophia. Don't you think Sophia understands that. At the 4th task she will find a solution to stop this which means there is nothing at the moment that can actually keep Dylan safe.


And when L&P says realism I believe it isn't about how the shadows look realistic or not or whether things fit in a bag or not. It is how things progress towards something erotic and even so it is blatantly visible that realistically none of this is possible. So suddenly wanting hundred percent realism makes no sense to me. All he wants to do is not come off as the cliche developments leading to erotic scenes. 30 days in never ever ever going to be enough to corrupt a woman who has been loyal to her husband for 20 years. That itself is unrealistic.

Letting your son use you as fap material is not realistic even in that situation.
She has hardly known Alyssa for few days and she is using her sybian Infront her in her house.
Julia your friends daughter. What is the best way to make her feel confident about her sexuality. Let her fondle and kiss you. How realistic. Best way for an intelligent woman and teacher to handle a teenagers confused feelings.
Wearing the skimpiest of bikinis possible in front of your son and his friend when until a few days ago you wouldn't wear a two piece Infront of him.

All I want to point out is that. All these events went by and even though unrealistic they were portrayed well. So there can never be realism in reality, it is all about how he will write the scene. And as audience we need to keep in mind that it can't always be completely realistic.


Also what might seem unrealistic to one might be a reality someone has lived. Reality is full of unexpected events we all know that. We all have done things in our life maybe in the heat off the moment because we didn't have time to come up with the best solution. It might not be logical but that's what we did

I generally agree with you. Some comments.

Aiden's third task, we should compare the consequences: my son will get a good beating compared to me being raped. I think rape is worse.
As for possible video evidence, I don't think a woman like Sophia would accept a trial with such evidence. Not when it involves a young man, her own student, 17 years old. I think a video would be even more serious blackmail material.
In the press, teacher/student cases/trials have only one direction: from the student to the teacher.

Here L&P could use something like this:
Sophia: I'm doing this in a public place but I'm not going anywhere with you.

Relationship with Ellie. I think realistically it's the level between Claire and Marie. Mother and daughter, a free and uninhibited discussion, touching each other but within the boundaries of the mother-daughter relationship.
What L&P has done so far is to bring the Sophia-Ellie relationship to a natural level, okay, a little more .....


With Dylan and other boys, it's not something premeditated on Sophia's part. It will be a smooth slide, bit by bit. And if you bring the relationship with Ellie to a normal level, it makes sense to do the same with Dylan, bring to normal level.
I would emphasize one thing, women around 40, add alcohol/... , add a relaxed but stimulating situation....

Take a look at this video: In spanish is: "Cómete a un yogurín"
Something like "Eat a yogurt" but the meaning is : yogurín=toyboy/ teenager

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[Alley_Cat]

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I think you mean page

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When does Sophia show her penis?

Sophia does not, and will not, have a penis. There are other games if you're into that kinda thing

 

[Luzifer22]

you know what would be cool, a kind of spin-off to a wife and mother, where either ellie or Patricia would be the protagonist

 

[nexer]

you know what would be cool, a kind of spin-off to a wife and mother, where either ellie or Patricia would be the protagonist

If someone would like to move to Germany, help L&P and at the same time develop a spin-off with what you say.

 

[Френсис2]

version 130 released? or isho not? where to download on 1 page is not present

 

[Deleted member 1023239]

even if he release it now i doubt there will be a content other than teasing, should we wait another 2 years again

 

[Hlextor]

You question how she can agree to the blackmail. Tell me what should she do when she has already gone to the polic eto report the matter and it was a failure. When she complained to the principal and he could do nothing about it. How can she ensure her son's 100% safety from a guy who has connection with such hooligans who can do anything. Suggest a good way. Don't mention the boarding school though since even that does not ensure complete safety of Dylan. You have a way out of this.

When one is blackmailed they listen to the blackmailer not show an attitude and refuse to comply with demands. Asking to wear a particular outfit, Aiden's already done that. So that's no biggy. Also this is Sophia who is fascinated by Aiden's tasks. Has 100 points in corruption.
Sophia's safety is jeopardized yes but that is because she does not have a choice. The only threat she is actually in is of rape. Why would a guy who is getting his demands fulfilled without even having to be physically assertive straight away go to a rape. If he does rape, not even his uncle will be able to save him and he is aware of that. He never lets cameras around him because he is aware of what can actually get him in trouble and when his uncle won't be able to save him. He has 9 tasks left. He is not stupid enough to not take it slowly. Plus we haven't seen any Milf fantasies from him. And all these are things known to Sophia as well. She can analyse things too. There is lots of evidence that can be found if anything happens to Sophia . Like the last call to Sophia's number would show from Aiden. He can be a prime suspect if anything happens.
The whole thing is risky but not so much that people are making it out to be. The danger would be real if it was Bennett. She is cornered in the blackmail storyline and must listen to Aiden. Plus till now he has done nothing that even involves touching Sophia. Don't you think Sophia understands that. At the 4th task she will find a solution to stop this which means there is nothing at the moment that can actually keep Dylan safe.


And when L&P says realism I believe it isn't about how the shadows look realistic or not or whether things fit in a bag or not. It is how things progress towards something erotic and even so it is blatantly visible that realistically none of this is possible. So suddenly wanting hundred percent realism makes no sense to me. All he wants to do is not come off as the cliche developments leading to erotic scenes. 30 days in never ever ever going to be enough to corrupt a woman who has been loyal to her husband for 20 years. That itself is unrealistic.

Letting your son use you as fap material is not realistic even in that situation.
She has hardly known Alyssa for few days and she is using her sybian Infront her in her house.
Julia your friends daughter. What is the best way to make her feel confident about her sexuality. Let her fondle and kiss you. How realistic. Best way for an intelligent woman and teacher to handle a teenagers confused feelings.
Wearing the skimpiest of bikinis possible in front of your son and his friend when until a few days ago you wouldn't wear a two piece Infront of him.

All I want to point out is that. All these events went by and even though unrealistic they were portrayed well. So there can never be realism in reality, it is all about how he will write the scene. And as audience we need to keep in mind that it can't always be completely realistic.


Also what might seem unrealistic to one might be a reality someone has lived. Reality is full of unexpected events we all know that. We all have done things in our life maybe in the heat off the moment because we didn't have time to come up with the best solution. It might not be logical but that's what we did

Much written but with very good content!