VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.201] [Lust & Passion]

[roro]

You've got some false statements/opinions written as facts.

1. you don't get anything except for what is promised by the creator for whatever level of patronage you're in (which he has the right to change at any given time)
That doesn't happen with L&P. Not only patreon goal promises are ignored, he doesn't even fulfill tier promises. For instance legend patrons don't get:

• Your name mention in the credits
• You get to vote for future game topics
• Access to some hot scenes of future releases

2. Take all Daz3d based games here on f95 and calculate the average of their renders to days in production ratio
You get the top games out there, do that ratio and then come back to us and tell us he isn't a slow af developer. Keep in mind that even a 2 render/day difference in a baseline of 5/6 is a big difference.

3. That apply mostly on gifted and perfectionist people.
It's time to end the charade. L&P isn't a perfectionist. He has a great talent for rendering to which he worked for over the last 4 years. Just check the first renders and you'll see they are at the level of anyone starting.
Perfectionist people try to perfect every aspect of their work, including development. They don't pick and choose.

4. For the first part - on the contrary. Updates have become larger, and thats one of the issues some have with L&P's methods.
Fuckin wrong again. Updates went from 1 day to half a day to a third of a day now. Development time has gone from 6 months to 4 months back to 5/6 months therefore more time to provide less content and less story. The number of render means shit if the story does not advance. The bride event did 0 for the story (specially the part with liam), the same with the trip to nowhere with Aiden and the story with Dylan. Story gained 0 from stuff he took 2 months to work with. Again Perfectionist people understand their flaws and work on them, L&P just makes it worse.


5. Take 30 days of graphics cards issue and you'll get 7.2.
Blatant lie. There was no 30 days of graphics card issue. Jan 13 the gpu issue started, he still did some rendering but the fix was found when he bought new GPUs on January 30. It was 17 days (at worse) of lower output, not a complete stall and not 30 days.
Maybe before you tell someone else to speak with facts you should probably check them yourself.


As for .6 and .7, they are opinions and anyone can have theirs.

Either you're really confused by your hatred to L&P or you didn't really payed attention.

1. "That doesn't happen with L&P. Not only patreon goal promises are ignored, he doesn't even fulfill tier promises"
Never said it happens with L&P. If you search enough, you'll find a post I made that criticize L&P exactly on this. But be fair, we did vote on some polls, and he never said there will be a poll for every update.

2. If you think only top tier games sets the industry norme, no problem, take only top tier games (you know milfy city and dual family are top tier games, right?). But to normalize quality, make a poll to give each game a quality rank between 1 and 10. The ratio were looking for is quality*renders/days. And no, 2 out of 5 or 6 isn't a big difference, and it certainly not "far from half of the industry norm"

3. You are definitely not familiar with perfectionists. Don't know about you, but that's a big part of my profession.
"Just check the first renders and you'll see they are at the level of anyone starting". That's not true for our current time (imo), and it certainly isn't true for the games we had 4 years ago. Sure there were better renders at the time, but L&P's first release renders were better than most (I'll say 80-90%) of the games 4 years ago. And what you're implying is perfectionist people are better than anyone else even when they are total beginners, and that's nonsense.
"Perfectionist people try to perfect every aspect of their work, including development. They don't pick and choose." That's just not true, and I dont really need to give examples. There are many types of perfectionism and that disorder is within a scale and not 0 or 1 only. It usually comes with some other disorders which L&P demonstrates in his replies (I bet Drfappalot still remembers what happened when he criticized Liam for the dept...). Moreover, I never said it is a fact and I specifically said it's my theory.

4. No, that's not fuckin wrong. When Turret said updates became smaller, he could specifically say he means it as a part of a gameday. When someone reads it, the 1st thing that comes to mind is number of renders. And you know what, that statement (Turret's) isn't true even when you look at what part of a day he's delivering. If I remember correctly, day 9 was built upon 3 updates. And there's a not so small of a chance that the horse riding day would be a 1 or 2 updates day since it's only 1 event day. But that doesn't really matter, it's pretty obvious that as time progresses, a choice based VN will become heavier with each day.

No it isn't, but it wasn't accurate either. Jan 11 is the day we were informed about the cards change, and the 10 days before were dedicated to rest/story revisions. So the correct number is 6.76. Even if you take down the renders he made with the defective cards, that's closer to his normal pace than the 3-5 number.

 

[nexer]

This game is not more realistic than the others of the same vein, just has a longer build up. And it's fine it would be extremely boring otherwise. So don't use that argument

In that case what are we commenting here? Play the new update and adios until the next one, let's see what the dev comes up with. 3000 pages of comments are backed up by this.
By your logic, what are you still doing here? Any comment is irrelevant.

It's also possible some bestiality for the next updates. Surely on Sunday these horses will have a good time
It's fiction. Right?

 

[PietruccioTheHilander]

5-4-9-1
to me it does not work with the numeric keypad. but only with the number above the letters

 

[Poser_Voyeur]

Anyway, whatever the V0.130 events, I liked the fact that Sophia made her decisions on her own for once. It’s nice.
Sorry L&P but I don't buy for once: it's the alcohol that makes her do that.
The class lasts more than 2 hours.
The little glass of Chardonnay has not worked for a long time.

I think it does reduce her inhibitions slightly, and together with the fact that she starts enjoying the posing, it puts her in that classic corruption trap of "well I have gone this far so I guess one more small step won't matter".

My one criticism of that route was that Aiden was too brutish as Ares. It would have been more erotic if that had been done more subtly.

 

[Deleted member 1023239]

5-4-9-1
to me it does not work with the numeric keypad. but only with the muneri above the letters

it does not compatible with android either, i have to pair wireless keyboard in order to complete the mini games, it would be nice if he used on screen mouse click as a part of mini games

 

[PietruccioTheHilander]

My one criticism of that route was that Aiden was too brutish as Ares. It would have been more erotic if that had been done more subtly.

+1

 

[nexer]

I don't think this game is now "realistic"
After 2nd job event
No teacher on her first day use its students as model to demonstrate masturbation
Even after 1st job event
She promised them to wear that nurse outfit(revealing one ) in there next meet
Concerning to Aiden event after what Aiden just made her do it she should report him and send Dylan to boarding school Dylan would be safe and she would no longer be blackmailed this would be more realistic option(maybe L&P present an option in 4th task to stop the blackmail)but it will definitely end in humiliation what if Dylan,Liam found about art event they would be disgusted
So yeah Aiden has already broked Sophia to some extent

For e.g. First side job:
Each with their own life experience. But as an example, my 75 year old neighbour is nursed by a woman/girl under 30, 24 hours a day. Means washing him too.
I happen to know the neighbor and he likes women... a lot.

 

[Tennyson@]

For e.g. First side job:
Each with their own life experience. But as an example, my 75 year old neighbour is nursed by a woman/girl under 30, 24 hours a day. Means washing him too.
I happen to know the neighbor and he likes women... a lot.

No I meant from the nurse outfit she promised them to wear at the end of the event that seems unrealistic as why would she agree on wearing a revealing outfit (lust is taking over)
Washing and all other things happened were fine

 

[bburnfc]

any one help ive download the game. try to extract the file after 3 seconds it stop.

 

[sphynks80]

5-4-9-1
to me it does not work with the numeric keypad. but only with the number above the letters

I noticed that numeric combination is randomly generated each time you play that point of the game too.

 

[sphynks80]

any one help ive download the game. try to extract the file after 3 seconds it stop.

Try with the last version of winrar or, better, 7-zip.

 

[Deleted member 2183629]

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[xxxorro]

Two well-known manipulation techniques

1. fear then relief. >>>> Dylan
or
2. victimization >>>> hobos
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In the future, Sophia will be able to stop Aiden's blackmail.

If she knows that Dylan can fight it could be done in a 'clean' way, if not, it could be more complicated for her or require some dirty/filthy actions.

Dylann' ability to fight won't be the only determining factor

I don't know if the fighting or, more generally, this raise in self-esteem will end Aiden's extortion or it will make things even worse. When I read this:

s "I told you to stay away from him! It's all already taken care of!"
dy "Yeah, yeah, whatever! I already taught one of his guys a lesson!"
s "What??? What did you do?!"
dy "Oh, nothing special. It's just that earlier, we were briefly at the public swimming pool over there on the hill where I spotted the bike of one of his guys."
dy "So I trifled a 'lil bit with his brakes *grin*."
dy "Hope he had an exciting ride back down the hill *ha-ha*."
s "Have you lost it? What if someone had caught you?!"
s "That guy could have gotten seriously hurt!"
dy "That was exactly the point of it!"
s "*Sigh.*"
s "Please don't do such bullshit again!"

This potentially could have a snowball effect to degenerate into something even more nastier, piss off Aiden and making Sophia pay for that.
I said potentially. Sophia's inner thoughts about going on with the deal to prevent exactly this, as many already said, open the path to different trajectory.

BTW what happened to the San Alejo Beavers? Did they finish their tour?

For me the VN is unrealistic at it's core. It not only tried to depict the corruption of a demure faithful wife in ONE MONTH in game time but additionally shows her as a mother having sexual relations with both her teenage children. Such a premise is always going to unrealistic and a fantasy. So SOME suspension of belief is required.

So with that proviso I think it is fair that L&P is at least trying to present a more realistic pace of corruption than most porn games / VN. I agree with the Subway Station scene - I avoided that scene as it seemed stupid when Sophia could simply jump in her car and did nt feel as if it was taking the story forward. And I have already commented about the issues with 2nd side job, the sex ed of home tutor kids.

So I do give L&P credit for trying to aim at realism, even if he does nt always quite manage it.

I agree, for me it is not really how likely it is to happen in real life but it's more the way the story is told.
I think we can say that there is a good character development, especially for the MC: the effort to try to give a glimpse of her inner thoughts and trying to rationalize the decisions is really what makes the difference for me. Not that it is perfect, debatable at times etc, but at least it gives some depth to the story.

Also, maybe many will disagree on this, the context and the dialogues makes the scenes/event to feel more just an erotic show. For example all the explanations about the Greek mythology are very important to set the tone of the scene, keeping alive the contrast between what could be a "normal" modeling scene involving nudity (just under a true artistic point of view) and Sophia's POV, conflicted between the shame, the pleasure of being exposed, and the fuzzy line between being used and getting excited by the situation. Sure, at times the dialogues feels a bit too much or too long, but I think overall he did a great job researching the subject and set up the event like that.

I noticed that if Sophia doesn't allow Aiden to touch her breasts, we don't get a close-up of the student paintings but the deal with Aiden continues.
So, I think we will have 2 options on the 4th task.

Actually 3, because if she doesn't pose as Aphrodite nothing happens with Aiden. And if she doesn't allow Ares to touch her breast she doesn't know he is Aiden. In a way we have a similar setting as Larry, depending how far she goes there might be different scenarios down the road.

 

[Old Dog]

I don't know if the fighting or, more generally, this raise in self-esteem will end Aiden's extortion or it will make things even worse. When I read this:

s "I told you to stay away from him! It's all already taken care of!"
dy "Yeah, yeah, whatever! I already taught one of his guys a lesson!"
s "What??? What did you do?!"
dy "Oh, nothing special. It's just that earlier, we were briefly at the public swimming pool over there on the hill where I spotted the bike of one of his guys."
dy "So I trifled a 'lil bit with his brakes *grin*."
dy "Hope he had an exciting ride back down the hill *ha-ha*."
s "Have you lost it? What if someone had caught you?!"
s "That guy could have gotten seriously hurt!"
dy "That was exactly the point of it!"
s "*Sigh.*"
s "Please don't do such bullshit again!"

This potentially could have a snowball effect to degenerate into something even more nastier, piss off Aiden and making Sophia pay for that.
I said potentially. Sophia's inner thoughts about going on with the deal to prevent exactly this, as many already said, open the path to different trajectory.

BTW what happened to the San Alejo Beavers? Did they finish their tour?


I agree, for me it is not really how likely it is to happen in real life but it's more the way the story is told.
I think we can say that there is a good character development, especially for the MC: the effort to try to give a glimpse of her inner thoughts and trying to rationalize the decisions is really what makes the difference for me. Not that it is perfect, debatable at times etc, but at least it gives some depth to the story.

Also, maybe many will disagree on this, the context and the dialogues makes the scenes/event to feel more just an erotic show. For example all the explanations about the Greek mythology are very important to set the tone of the scene, keeping alive the contrast between what could be a "normal" modeling scene involving nudity (just under a true artistic point of view) and Sophia's POV, conflicted between the shame, the pleasure of being exposed, and the fuzzy line between being used and getting excited by the situation. Sure, at times the dialogues feels a bit too much or too long, but I think overall he did a great job researching the subject and set up the event like that.


Actually 3, because if she doesn't pose as Aphrodite nothing happens with Aiden. And if she doesn't allow Ares to touch her breast she doesn't know he is Aiden. In a way we have a similar setting as Larry, depending how far she goes there might be different scenarios down the road.

The 3rd task was the last "forceful" to keep Dylan. The 4th task will be optional. But only if you did the right decisions before. And Sophia will also need to think about the decision carefully.
So is this decision time for choosing either Bennett or Aiden?

 

[Artorius Dr]

where can I download the 115 and 130 versions in Russian?

 

[bburnfc]

Try with the last version of winrar or, better, 7-zip.

i will try them. at the moment im use in 9-zip. it only one file archive.rpa it say 5.4g but only extract 2.4g

 

[sphynks80]

i will try them. at the moment im use in 9-zip. it only one file archive.rpa it say 5.4g but only extract 2.4g

If you don't have too many quality problems try downloading the compressed version. The quality is good all the same and the size less than half.

 

[hzjujk]

is Sophia's consent required ..? even in a transgressive stuff like an erotic game? still with this damned politically correct ...? Really...

Hey, keep calm. Yes it is politically correct. It fits in with the times. But it also corresponds to my value system. Everyone has their fetishes here. And I don't like this one at all. When people, men, women and children are forced to do something. To experience that is uncomfortable for me. Even if it only happens in one story. Just as you don't have to apologize for your fetishes here, so can I share my opinion on it.

 

[sphynks80]

Do you know what it is, folks? I don't read the developer's mind but something tells me that Sophia will eventually fall in love with Aiden. Nothing serious, but they will have a completely consenting affair. It can be seen from the latest update where Sophia is not at all displeased by the attentions of the anonymous Ares squeezing her boobs and pubic area. Yes, when she discovers it's him she pretends to be indignant but more out of duty and conditional effect than anything else. I think the story with Aiden will precede the one with Dylan a little bit, which I cheer for. At first Sophia will be torn between the two but when she sees that deep down the bond with Aiden is not a serious thing and she understands Dylan's much deeper intentions, she will join him. I accept bets.

 

[KingIronside]

Does anybody here got the shota scene save file?