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XaGnard

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Well, on the bolder statement, you know a lot can happen in 5 years. If awam gets abandoned in that timeframe it will not serve as a proof to your theory. A good theory prediction should be narrow enough to not allow too many other explanations to that prediction. But you're right about the unneeded sting, and I'm sorry for that.

You've got some false statements/opinions written as facts in your post which are:

1."L&P is no innocent in this. He went to patreon knowingly his project would not be totally his any longer". That's your opinion. I'm pretty sure he believes the game is his and his only, and he would be absolutely right about it. If you become a Patron of his, you don't get a share as a holder of the game, you don't get a share of the income, you don't get anything except for what is promised by the creator for whatever level of patronage you're in (which he has the right to change at any given time). By definition, your patronage is intended to support the developer to continue his production of whatever it is he produces. Now, we can have different opinions whether this system is good or bad, but we can't argue about facts.

2. "And you should deliver at least halfway to industry norms. L&P is far away from that". Why half? why not 3/4? And what are exactly the industry norms? And how can you be so sure L&P is so far away from that? If you normalize some parameters like his quality of renders and his heavily researched writing in some of the updates, I'm pretty sure he's not so far away from "industry norms", whatever they are. You know what, maybe we can suggest a test, and someone here with enough free time can run it. Take all Daz3d based games here on f95 and calculate the average of their renders to days in production ratio (only fully rendered scenes, not some characters renders over a premade background, and for the animations - add their renders to the count). If we call it "industry norms", I'm pretty sure L&P isn't far away from it, and surely not halfway behind.

3. "many supporters have given free and often good tipps how L&P can get the problems under control". Tips are free, that's for sure, but good? You know we are all different people, we have different personalities, different capabilities, and different tastes. From my experience, I know there are people that just can't, for the life of them, change their workflow, and their teemwork capabilities are just zero. That apply mostly on gifted and perfectionist people. Is it the case with L&P? I don't know, but that's my theory. Just look at how angry he gets whenever someone criticize his art, story or working methods. Look how fast he transfomed from an amateur hobby creator to one of the best (imo) 3d artists here. Look at the dialogues of the art class, biology class, guitar lesson etc. They are all thoroughly researched. He sure is gifted and that makes him more prone to such behavior. Do I like his stubborn behavior - not really, did I like his last aggressive post - not at all, do I like these long periods between updates - I hate it, but I know (as an opinion, not a fact) it's a byproduct of his personality, but the VN is also a byproduct of his personality, so I'm okay with it. You won't change his personality, so if you like the game, you'll have to be patient with his flaws...

4. "The updates consistently have become smaller, but the intervalls longer". For the first part - on the contrary. Updates have become larger, and thats one of the issues some have with L&P's methods. For the second part, thats the outcome of a larger update - it takes more time.

5. "when simply math shows that he puts out just 3-5 pics per day with a good render PC.
For comparison, the Dev of a well-known and regarded game here on F95 does it parttime and has a PC which is worse at rendering than L&Ps. Still this part time developer has an output of 20 pics per day on average (of really good quality)"
994 renders / 167 days (30 December - 15 June) = 5.95. That's more like 6. Take 30 days of graphics cards issue and you'll get 7.2. That's roughly his usual output. That's slow, I won't lie, but with the quality, that's something I can live with. The only comparable game with this quality (imo) is Stopper's JOHN, and he is even slower than L&P in terms of renders/production days. Sure, there are games with great renders that deliver a better ratio, L@P isn't the fastest, but nor he is the slowest, and as I said before, when you normalize quality of renders and research for dialogues, he's not that far behind. About the game you were referring that has "a really good quality" - what game is it? I find it hard to believe that a dev can produce 20 really good quality renders in a part time job with a not so good rendering machine.

6. "so this leaves only one explanation. L&P is purposely slowing down and stretching out the development of AWAM to gain easy money!" I can easily think of some more explanations, so that's definitely not the only explanation. As I mentioned before, his last update's ratio of renders/days is roughly equal to his usual ratio (while his quality increases with each update), so it isn't even necessary to speculate, because he isn't slowing down. Last update took more time because of Graphics cards problems (which he proved with video and pictures) and because it was a big update. Your theory about slowing down for easy money is just absurd. I'm sure you can see the effort he puts in his updates, and if you can now agree that his ratio isn't getting worse (all while his quality even gets better) than you can't say anymore that he's slowing down on his work. You can, however say he's slowing down on updates - by making them biger and biger, but that doesn't support your theory of easy money, because if he isn't slowing down on his work - that money isn't easy anymore.

7. "L&P unfortunately has gone on to follow the way of sinkholes of humanity like gumdrop, developers overcome by their own greed for easily earned money!"
Your comparison of L&P to Gumdrop is absolutely absurd, and there really isn't a need for further explanation...

On your last paragraph you went on to explain what you're getting out of your last posts, but you didn't really explain it, so my question still stands without an answer.

I don't think much of the comparisons based on images per time period. There are simply too much differences in the quality and also in the number of images created per scene between different games.

The main problem with L&P is clearly in the project planning. After 4 years, just a little more than a third of the planned game days are finished and at the same time the interval L&P needs for the completion of further game days explodes. Even if he would double the number of images created per day, it would still take him forever to finish this game.

Do you really believe L&P will still be working on this game in 20-30 years? There are simply too many side stories, too many characters and too many repetitions of events that have already been told. For example, it's difficult to count the number of events the story follows Sophia through the inner dialogue in which she decides whether or whether not to show her breasts.

Why the hell does Sophia have to have three jobs, one would be quite enough. Why is there not one but three black mail stories in this game? These are the questions that answers would make this project achievable. The point is about L&P being unable to omit unnecessary elements from form his game. He drowns in a completely misunderstood perception of how to make a story seem realistic.
 
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sphynks80

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Yeap. I will repeat what I said some time ago. I would have preferred Aiden to force her to watch a couple making love, or men naked or masturbating, a visual stimulation and advance to first appear inside Sophia and then, increasingly relaxed, Sophia to be the one to make the first move.

Here it is clear that Xavier wants a ticket primarily to see the show.
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And in this scene you don't have Sophia's consent. It's true she can react but after Aiden squeezes her bare breast.
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She's a mature woman but the feeling of being forced is there, especially in the next scene when Aiden uncovers her breast.
is Sophia's consent required ..? even in a transgressive stuff like an erotic game? still with this damned politically correct ...? Really...
 

Scarlet56

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Oct 13, 2019
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Anyway, whatever the V0.130 events, I liked the fact that Sophia made her decisions on her own for once. It’s nice.
Sorry L&P but I don't buy for once: it's the alcohol that makes her do that.
The class lasts more than 2 hours.
The little glass of Chardonnay has not worked for a long time.
 

Scarlet56

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The game is bugged concerning the points system as I had points lower than they should of been so I had to use the cheat to continue
Yes, I had 42 points and I recounted all the possible points with Dylan, it does not reach 54.
42.
 

nexer

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Feb 5, 2019
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is Sophia's consent required ..? even in a transgressive stuff like an erotic game? still with this damned politically correct ...? Really...
Consent is important to keep the story realistic.
After the scene with Aiden it's even more important. Why? Because Sophia has to choose: her own safety, possible rape in the future, and your son's safety.
But your son's safety can be ensured by sending him to boarding school.
 

Deleted member 1023239

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Didn't learn self defense = Cuckold Route of dylan
Learn Self Defense = make dylan alpha male

it makes me worries why should we let sophia to be gang fucked with those hobo's

Anyway, whatever the V0.130 events, I liked the fact that Sophia made her decisions on her own for once. It’s nice.
Sorry L&P but I don't buy for once: it's the alcohol that makes her do that.
The class lasts more than 2 hours.
The little glass of Chardonnay has not worked for a long time.
it's not the alcohol, alcohol makes the true nature of sophia, in dylan route without the alcohol she allowed her son to grope her on the ass, and allowed him to see her boobs, feels a fabric of her bikini's, jerking in front of her and even make erotic pose for him
 

armion82

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Mar 28, 2017
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I don't think much of the comparisons based on images per time period. There are simply too much differences in the quality and also in the number of images created per scene between different games.

The main problem with L&P is clearly in the project planning. After 4 years, just a little more than a third of the planned game days are finished and at the same time the interval L&P needs for the completion of further game days explodes. Even if he would double the number of images created per day, it would still take him forever to finish this game.

Do you really believe L&P will still be working on this game in 20-30 years? There are simply too many side stories, too many characters and too many repetitions of events that have already been told. For example, it's difficult to count the number of events the story follows Sophia through the inner dialogue in which she decides whether or whether not to show her breasts.

Why the hell does Sophia have to have three jobs, one would be quite enough. Why is there not one but three black mail stories in this game? These are the questions that answers would make this project achievable. The point is about L&P being unable to omit unnecessary elements from form his game. He drowns in a completely misunderstood perception of how to make a story seem realistic.
We are extremely lucky that first 7-8 days of the game were released in one year.
From day 8 we are getting more and more renders but each day is taking longer and longer.Now it seems that day 12 will take much more than anyone was expecting.The most pessimistic ones(from september/october 2020) were 11-12 months,but even they are way too optimistic.Now I am pretty sure day 12 will take more than 1 year.
I really can't see him working on the game another 10 years.
And we are heading faster and faster to more than 15 years.
 

dolfe67

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Apr 25, 2020
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Consent is important to keep the story realistic.
After the scene with Aiden it's even more important. Why? Because Sophia has to choose: her own safety, possible rape in the future, and your son's safety.
But your son's safety can be ensured by sending him to boarding school.
This game is not more realistic than the others of the same vein, just has a longer build up. And it's fine it would be extremely boring otherwise. So don't use that argument
 

Poser_Voyeur

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Nov 14, 2020
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After this event, I think not just Bennett and Subway Station, but most of the storyline is now strange and unrealistic.
For me the VN is unrealistic at it's core. It not only tried to depict the corruption of a demure faithful wife in ONE MONTH in game time but additionally shows her as a mother having sexual relations with both her teenage children. Such a premise is always going to unrealistic and a fantasy. So SOME suspension of belief is required.

So with that proviso I think it is fair that L&P is at least trying to present a more realistic pace of corruption than most porn games / VN. I agree with the Subway Station scene - I avoided that scene as it seemed stupid when Sophia could simply jump in her car and did nt feel as if it was taking the story forward. And I have already commented about the issues with 2nd side job, the sex ed of home tutor kids.

So I do give L&P credit for trying to aim at realism, even if he does nt always quite manage it.
 

Tennyson@

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Dec 31, 2020
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I don't think this game is now "realistic"
After 2nd job event
No teacher on her first day use its students as model to demonstrate masturbation
Even after 1st job event
She promised them to wear that nurse outfit(revealing one ) in there next meet
Concerning to Aiden event after what Aiden just made her do it she should report him and send Dylan to boarding school Dylan would be safe and she would no longer be blackmailed this would be more realistic option(maybe L&P present an option in 4th task to stop the blackmail)but it will definitely end in humiliation what if Dylan,Liam found about art event they would be disgusted
So yeah Aiden has already broked Sophia to some extent
 
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