VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.201] [Lust & Passion]

[Dr.SigmundFap]

No, I think it was okay how L&P Dylan drew at the beginning. It should be a total loser who slowly works his way up. Only the twist was then too much. It just couldn't be fixed in the course of the game.

That's what I said or implied in the second part of my post. But that's not what L&P did. He didn't show any development at all. Instead, he kept Dylan's character traits the same until P.D. 12, then L&P flipped the switch and did a 180 on Dylan's traits and demeanor which he seems more mature now as you see in the exercise event with Sophia.

But I find much more important what options Dylan now has to get closer to Sophia. He does everything in the household, he doesn't have any money (including no car), his father is not a total asshole, he has already defended his mother with physical effort, he has a big cock but no sexual experience: where is the approach to impress his mother or to go a common path. He has better chances with Marie than with Sophia and, realistically, nothing should change that.

Well, He does everything in the household and has no more money because of his deal with Sophia. That was the reward given to him for giving that up, so he should get no benefits from anything else in that choice.

"his father is not a total asshole"

IDK, When you don't go to Dylan's games, because Liam prefers the other football, or goes fishing instead of taking Dylan to practice, which Sophia has to do it and gambling the house away, that seems like a total asshole to me.

"he has already defended his mother with physical effort, he has a big cock but no sexual experience: where is the approach to impress his mother or to go a common path."

This statement amplifies my comments about Dylan's character growth. Dylan has been in this state from day one. The defending of Sophia was good, but I didn't find it that impactful, and I thought it was a cliche. I think what killed that part for me was that he was beating up a drunk hobo. Now, the hobos were obnoxious and drunk, saying things that sober people shouldn't say, and Dylan stuck up for Sophia. But fight a drunk guy???? I think people here have been around plenty of drunk people who know drunk people say and do stupid things, and they usually walk away unless the drunk person turns violent. So in my mind, fighting a drunk person is a cheap shot because that person is impaired already, so the advantage should be with the sober person.

Now, I have no issue starting a character off with little to no experience and needs guidance, but there was very little to none at all. Maybe it could have been the "The Twist" plot that messed up the story, and everything was revolving around "The Twist, and when "The Twist" was removed, LP had to come up with something else.

"He has better chances with Marie than with Sophia and, realistically, nothing should change that."

From a realistic standpoint, yes. Marie, Emma, Marie should have a better chance than Sophia. But we're far past realism now, as everyone has repeated time and time. If you were to look at the poll and maybe ask fans what combination you would choose among Sophia/Dylan, Dylan/Emma, Dylan/Marie, Dylan/Ellie. I would expect the most popular answer would be Sophia/Dylan, and you can base that off the poll too. So with that said, the expectation would be that Sophia/Dylan would end up together as the preferred choice.

 

[DIRTY FILTHY Animal]

Friends, from time to time, like many others, I express some kind of dissatisfaction with the L&P.
Personally, I think the game is recklessly missing the dialogue between Sam and Dylan after Sofia's fashion show.
I guess it could be quite interesting.
Didn't they discuss anything after seeing this:
View attachment 1342284
???

I understand that everything cannot be perfect with the creation of a game, the course of history cannot suit absolutely every user, but still! Dylan and Sam discussed the ball game with Sofia:
View attachment 1342299

Dylan and Sam then discussed this:
View attachment 1342326
when Sophia went to change into a swimsuit.

And after the fashion show, there was no discussion!
This is strange at least! Indeed, for Dylani and Sam it was an unusual event, for the first time they saw Sofia in such a form that they could only dream of.

And the absence of any dialogue between them after that:
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View attachment 1342355
in my opinion a big flaw. This dialogue could be quite interesting. Its absence creates a kind of vacuum of understatement, a sense of failure in history.
What do you say, gentlemen perverts?

It’s hard to talk when your tongue or jaw have dropped to the floor

 

[Scarlet56]

Hey bro do you know a similar game? preferably an incestuous relationship between family etc? Thank you

Of this quality, it will be difficult.
If you told us instead what game have you already played (of this kind) it would be easier I think.

Parental Love maybe.

 

[hzjujk]

That's what I said or implied in the second part of my post. But that's not what L&P did. He didn't show any development at all. Instead, he kept Dylan's character traits the same until P.D. 12, then L&P flipped the switch and did a 180 on Dylan's traits and demeanor which he seems more mature now as you see in the exercise event with Sophia.



Well, He does everything in the household and has no more money because of his deal with Sophia. That was the reward given to him for giving that up, so he should get no benefits from anything else in that choice.

"his father is not a total asshole"

IDK, When you don't go to Dylan's game, because Liam prefers the other football, or goes fishing instead of taking Dylan to practice, which Sophia has to do it and gambling the house away, that seems like a total asshole to me.

"he has already defended his mother with physical effort, he has a big cock but no sexual experience: where is the approach to impress his mother or to go a common path."

This statement amplifies my comments about Dylan's character growth. Dylan has been in this state from day one. The defending of Sophia was good, but I didn't find it that impactful, and I thought it was a cliche. I think what killed that part for me was that he was beating up a drunk hobo. Now, the hobos were obnoxious and drunk, saying things that sober people shouldn't say, and Dylan stuck up for Sophia. But fight a drunk guy???? I think people here have been around plenty of drunk people who know drunk people say and do stupid things, and they usually walk away unless the drunk person turns violent. So in my mind, fighting a drunk person is a cheap shot because that person is impaired already, so the advantage should be with the sober person.

Now, I have no issue starting a character off with little to no experience and needs guidance, but there was very little to none at all. Maybe it could have been the "The Twist" plot that messed up the story, and everything was revolving around "The Twist, and when "The Twist" was removed, LP had to come up with something else.

"He has better chances with Marie than with Sophia and, realistically, nothing should change that."

From a realistic standpoint, yes. Marie, Emma, Marie should have a better chance than Sophia. But we're far past realism now, as everyone has repeated time and time. If you were to look at the poll and maybe ask fans what combination you would choose among Sophia/Dylan, Dylan/Emma, Dylan/Marie, Dylan/Ellie. I would expect the most popular answer would be Sophia/Dylan, and you can base that off the poll too. So with that said, the expectation would be that Sophia/Dylan would end up together as the preferred choice.

Well I was hoping for a couple of ideas, but I see you are just as perplexed as I am.
As for the attack on the homeless, I think that was exactly the opponent that Dylan could realistically defeat after two hours of combat training. Not to mention the self-confidence that must have to do so. All other opponents would again call on everyone to complain that Dylan can't do this at all and so on .... This fight is more symbolic and in my opinion should represent more of a transition in Dylan's behavior.

 

[gabrixp1]

Why do people say this is a good game? There's like 2 sex scenes

 

[GingerSweetGirl]

Has anyone else heard a rumor that Patreon is cracking down on incest content, including material that is purposefully designed to obscure the intended relationships? In the Milfy City thread someone mentioned it, and I wasn't sure if anyone here had heard of it since it could impact AWAM.

 

[Citlaly]

Haven't played this game for a while.
There is incest sex scenes or not yet?

 

[degreg]

Of this quality, it will be difficult.
If you told us instead what game have you already played (of this kind) it would be easier I think.

Parental Love maybe.

so what game - similar - - incest -- did you play or finish ?

 

[Robwood]

I give up. How do I get the game to run? I click on the first application and all it does is open up a white window and alters the pointer to a large crimson one. I click on the 32 version and it just opens up a white window.

 

[Alley_Cat]

Oh, I know alright but I'll admit I started quoting 44DD based on someone I remembered from decades ago who had that measurement, because that's who the changing room scene reminded me of! [I've got a good memory for things long past but can't recall last week too well].

I've been quoting 36J for a while, but that's been based on Measure Metrics in Daz

Friends, from time to time, like many others, I express some kind of dissatisfaction with the L&P.
Personally, I think the game is recklessly missing the dialogue between Sam and Dylan after Sofia's fashion show.
I guess it could be quite interesting.
Didn't they discuss anything after seeing this:
View attachment 1342284
???

I understand that everything cannot be perfect with the creation of a game, the course of history cannot suit absolutely every user, but still! Dylan and Sam discussed the ball game with Sofia:
View attachment 1342299

Dylan and Sam then discussed this:
View attachment 1342326
when Sophia went to change into a swimsuit.

And after the fashion show, there was no discussion!
This is strange at least! Indeed, for Dylani and Sam it was an unusual event, for the first time they saw Sofia in such a form that they could only dream of.

And the absence of any dialogue between them after that:
View attachment 1342348
View attachment 1342355
in my opinion a big flaw. This dialogue could be quite interesting. Its absence creates a kind of vacuum of understatement, a sense of failure in history.
What do you say, gentlemen perverts?

Why do you think I call the Dylan route so pointless? He has the most potential, having the horse-dick and all, but everything, including everything pointing to Dylan/Ellie being a non-starter (her hating him, being more concerned with image, not liking horse-dicks, etc). He likely should have a harem, but L&P has ruled that out. And with the exception of Marie (which is yet to be seen), every LI he has rules out Sophia/Dylan. No other route does that. There even seems the potential to play Sophia/Sam, Sophia/Ellie, while actively setting up Ellie/Sam. The Dylan route even has most events, but the slowest route. At least in other games like Big Brother, the MC is considered intelligent. If you're not playing the Dylan route right from the beginning, Dylan comes off as just a dumb, lazy teen boy.

Why do people say this is a good game? There's like 2 sex scenes

There's 6. It's just that the ones with Sophia just happen to be in the Good Wife route

 

[Bane71]

It’s hard to talk when your tongue or jaw have dropped to the floor

Agree with you. That's why I'm talking about the conversation after the event! Although, in the course of the show, Dylan behaved more and more confidently and Sofia in a sense obeyed him. So it's weird that Sam didn't think about it and didn't say anything to Dylan after the screening.
Moreover, I have no idea what erotic event could happen later in the game with Sophia, Dylan and Sam?
Perhaps after Sofia's fashion show, Dylan and Sam's paths just diverge? If not, and there will be some other joint event of an erotic nature, then this is a big allusion to the threesome of Dylan, Sam and Sofia, but KillJoys claims that such a threesome will not be in the game.
And judging by the plans of events known to us for the upcoming game days, there are no events for Sam, Dylan and Sophia.
It looks like Dylan and Sam's friendship will grow cold after this show. Only this can explain the lack of discussion by them of the magnificent show of Sofia.

 

[Bane71]

Why do you think I call the Dylan route so pointless? He has the most potential, having the horse-dick and all, but everything, including everything pointing to Dylan/Ellie being a non-starter (her hating him, being more concerned with image, not liking horse-dicks, etc). He likely should have a harem, but L&P has ruled that out. And with the exception of Marie (which is yet to be seen), every LI he has rules out Sophia/Dylan. No other route does that. There even seems the potential to play Sophia/Sam, Sophia/Ellie, while actively setting up Ellie/Sam. The Dylan route even has most events, but the slowest route. At least in other games like Big Brother, the MC is considered intelligent. If you're not playing the Dylan route right from the beginning, Dylan comes off as just a dumb, lazy teen boy.

When I read this, I smile. Because it feels like the writer is jealous of Dylan.
What you write about Dylan is more than strange!
It would be extremely funny if in a porn game in which there is a mark of incest, the author showed us Dylan as a very smart schoolboy nerd who is just gaining knowledge, is interested in science and does not pay any attention to the girls and sexy women around him, including his mother.


What character traits, in your opinion, should Dylan have in order to achieve a sexual relationship with Sofia? What kind of person should he be?

 

[Bane71]

So first of all: I'm not a pervert. Everyone else is. Not me!

Yes and no. First of all, there is the event with and without Sam. So why bother. And then it is so that Dylan was jealous of Sam over and over again during the event. What should the conversation between the two of them have been like, except for another argument. The two do not team up to lay Sophia down. Sam isn't the type to share. And Dylan is about his mother. At this point he is even more insecure than he is in the current state of the game. A conversation about what a sex bomb his mother is would be hell for him. Especially since he also financed the fashion show. To then determine that Sam is logically preferred by Sophia, because not her own family member.

You're probably right, buddy! And yes, and no! It depends on what the author has planned for the future relationship of Dylan and Sam. Will they remain friends or not? And of course, the understatement gives us the unknown. Their dialogue could reveal to us the author's plans for the future, and L&P does not like spoilers so much.

 

[Sabertooth__]

That's what I said or implied in the second part of my post. But that's not what L&P did. He didn't show any development at all. Instead, he kept Dylan's character traits the same until P.D. 12, then L&P flipped the switch and did a 180 on Dylan's traits and demeanor which he seems more mature now as you see in the exercise event with Sophia.



Well, He does everything in the household and has no more money because of his deal with Sophia. That was the reward given to him for giving that up, so he should get no benefits from anything else in that choice.

"his father is not a total asshole"

IDK, When you don't go to Dylan's games, because Liam prefers the other football, or goes fishing instead of taking Dylan to practice, which Sophia has to do it and gambling the house away, that seems like a total asshole to me.

"he has already defended his mother with physical effort, he has a big cock but no sexual experience: where is the approach to impress his mother or to go a common path."

This statement amplifies my comments about Dylan's character growth. Dylan has been in this state from day one. The defending of Sophia was good, but I didn't find it that impactful, and I thought it was a cliche. I think what killed that part for me was that he was beating up a drunk hobo. Now, the hobos were obnoxious and drunk, saying things that sober people shouldn't say, and Dylan stuck up for Sophia. But fight a drunk guy???? I think people here have been around plenty of drunk people who know drunk people say and do stupid things, and they usually walk away unless the drunk person turns violent. So in my mind, fighting a drunk person is a cheap shot because that person is impaired already, so the advantage should be with the sober person.

Now, I have no issue starting a character off with little to no experience and needs guidance, but there was very little to none at all. Maybe it could have been the "The Twist" plot that messed up the story, and everything was revolving around "The Twist, and when "The Twist" was removed, LP had to come up with something else.

"He has better chances with Marie than with Sophia and, realistically, nothing should change that."

From a realistic standpoint, yes. Marie, Emma, Marie should have a better chance than Sophia. But we're far past realism now, as everyone has repeated time and time. If you were to look at the poll and maybe ask fans what combination you would choose among Sophia/Dylan, Dylan/Emma, Dylan/Marie, Dylan/Ellie. I would expect the most popular answer would be Sophia/Dylan, and you can base that off the poll too. So with that said, the expectation would be that Sophia/Dylan would end up together as the preferred choice.

There are a few things I disagree with.

Liam does not take Dylan to games because he is at his job. Why will he leave work just to drop Dylan to the games when Sophia is free around that time and can do it. In a normal household ( though this household is no longer normal but still ) responsibilities are shared.

Dylan in my eyes hasn't changed much even after the jogging event. He stood up for his mother that's a good thing but apart from that, his conversation with Sophia right from the start of the event was way more direct and always falling back to something sexual or inappropriate to talk to your mother about, something he has been doing in all the events. The first opportunity he got to grab her butt, he took it. He's still just as perverted, the next event should give us a better picture, because in this event all the perversion and inappropriateness gets clouded because Dylan stands up for Sophia.


About the hobos, I don't think it has anything to do with Dylan taking advantage of the situation or anything to do with how it is unfair to fight a drunk man. Those guys were saying and gesturing all sorts of despicable things to his mother. Anyone would lose their mind. How can he let slide when his mother is being harassed.

Has anyone else heard a rumor that Patreon is cracking down on incest content, including material that is purposefully designed to obscure the intended relationships? In the Milfy City thread someone mentioned it, and I wasn't sure if anyone here had heard of it since it could impact AWAM.

It could but the likeliness is very small. The game he gives away on patreon does not have any incest at all.

 

[GingerSweetGirl]

It could but the likeliness is very small. The game he gives away on patreon does not have any incest at all.

The point the rumor was making was that Patreon is going to be less tolerant of cover stories like "landlady" or alternate games that are clearly designed to subvert Patreon's incest rules.

 

[Bishop Robert]

The point the rumor was making was that Patreon is going to be less tolerant of cover stories like "landlady" or alternate games that are clearly designed to subvert Patreon's incest rules.

Sue me but I'd feel bad if he lost his patreon, in a way.

 

[mad_hungarian]

Why do people say this is a good game? There's like 2 sex scenes

Because some ppl on here are both sexually and mentally mature. Jus' sayin'. 99% of the games on this site are szar.

 

[Sabertooth__]

The point the rumor was making was that Patreon is going to be less tolerant of cover stories like "landlady" or alternate games that are clearly designed to subvert Patreon's incest rules.

This I feel is way too harsh and can only be seen as a means of settling a personal vendetta. I mean what if the landlady and other similar relations and plot are a genuine thing, how are they even going to decipher which is genuine and which is not. There is no concrete basis. They don't like a game so they can terminate it without any justification while letting some other similar game exist.

 

[GingerSweetGirl]

This I feel is way too harsh and can only be seen as a means of settling a personal vendetta. I mean what if the landlady and other similar relations and plot are a genuine thing, how are they even going to decipher which is genuine and which is not. There is no concrete basis. They don't like a game so they can terminate it without any justification while letting some other similar game exist.

...

Are you really arguing that Patreon could come down hard on games with actual landlord relationships? Are you really concerned about the Renter Kink could be threatened? Are you really telling me that you:

A) Think these exist in any significant numbers?
B) Think Patreon can't tell the difference?

I'm not kink shaming, but let's not pretend like hundreds of devs aren't intentionally skirting the rules and that we all know about it. In the many, many, MANY, links here on F95 that I've clicked, I have never run across a relationship that was classified as "landlady" that wasn't code for "mom/aunt/sister". This is one of the core concerns I've always had with a game like AWAM, that a platform like Patreon is a risky venture for a game that may take a decade to complete. If you ask me, if Patreon continues to grow (or wants to continue to grow) eventually it's going to need to clean up/crack down on rule violations; it's just how this sort of business evolves. We all know the game that's being played, so let's not pretend like we're really afraid that there will be unintentional consequences when we know that a "game" like DOL is a complete charade.

Also, I have no idea if there's any validity to the rumor; so we probably shouldn't hit the panic button. If no one else has heard this then it's likely a bullshit rumor to begin with.

 

[codex35]

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