VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.201] [Lust & Passion]

[t3alqdansam]

But there was a choice to avoid the subway scene. It could even be ended quick if people chose to go that route. Don't blame L&P if you chose all the choices that led you to the point there. That's all a you problem. If you failed to recognize those choices which happened much earlier in the game, that responsibility lays squarely upon your own shoulders. Go read the walkthrough if you need to know where those specific choices are.

OK, just to be clear, I did all the routes to explore L&P's story. He is telling a story right? If you only want one flavor fine. That is YOUR choice. If you want to read L&P's whole story then you actually do all of it. Makes sense right? (Up to the 2nd side job. in .130. Stopped on that, not interested and found the narrative there insultingly bad.)

This is the story he wrote. I dd not write any of it, including the list of choices. If I had they would be different. Or IF he gave us a list (Ala Ahnold as the Term looking at his myriad of choice responses). No, we did not get a myriad. We got what L&P wanted. Is that really so difficult for you to grasp. It is his story. The choice of the choices was L&P's, as he created the story. Please show me the edit key where I can go in a rewrite some of this for him. Just because I find parts of his story less than credible does not make it my choice how the story was written. It is all L&P's work. As far as blame who else is to blame since L&P works solo. Please explain why someone, so paranoid of artistic control, is doing this whole shebang solo and it is the readers fault.

Damn Biker Bar

 

[t3alqdansam]

She warned her about roaming on those streets not the subway station. On a bad day nothing is safe, Even ones own house.

What bad situation did she see. Could she foretell that the subway is empty at a reasonable hour or that she will he attacked. When she enters the subway she too is surprised at how empty it is. Giving you the impression that it was not the case in her previous city. If I move to a new city and decide to take the subway I would consider using it based on my experience with the transport in the previous city, not automatically assume that I going to get attacked.

It's just like how as an audience of a horror movie when you see MC go down the cellar of his own house when he hears a noise, most people call him dumb or and idiot not considering that they as an audience are aware there is actual danger not the MC. Hence most people call it unrealistic not stopping to think that it would be logical thing for the MC to do.

As for the option of the taxi, why not also have an option of calling Liam to come pick her up. If he can't then Carl or Patricia. Then an option to directly take the bus and also an option of Claire considering to drop Sophia home as she is concerned for her safety and of course we have the option of her taking her own car. Let's have 200 renders of Sophia having realistic options to go home because In a real world she definitely would.

Because until L&P gives us every choice possible in the world for the situation it isn't realistic and it is basically his choice not mine.

He should have also given a choice for the way Sophia is dressed for the "Damn Biker Bar" as I and many others find it unrealistic.

If we sit down to pick apart the scenes and try to provide solutions for every situation in the game, there will hardly be a scene left. For god's sake there are solutions to every Saw Movie Trap. So what would you say, that was unrealistic as well because all of those had a solution to them, a way to avoid their deaths and it didn't occur to the people. If things don't happen the way that they do there is no story to tell.

It is called quibling. "She warned her about roaming on those streets not the subway station." That is splitting hairs at best. So the streets are unsafe but, going below them is better? Not a winning point there.

Not a horror movie fan for that exact reason. It is a forced narrative. And yes, I agree he could have given other choices. One of the exact same render as Sophia considers her options. We don't need scene changes to see into her mind. He has set that standard already. Hmmm taxi (Same result as if she took her rover or maybe a GW point) Call Patricia (gain a Patricia point if available). Liam (Busy gain a fw point / Available gain a GW point) Claire (Gain les point) So not that hard to do. Did that happen? Nope so the forced the narrative early. It is where he wanted it to go.

He gave a choice of clothing in previous scenes. Why not this one? Good question. He chose to award his patrons with a choice. He honored that choice. Not sure he likes it either but, it was one of 2 choices that he presented. There it is. He wants something to happen.

Yes there are many failures. There are many wins also. Or none of us would be here. I am glad to see you have at least one issue with the story. I was worried you were becoming a sycophant.

 

[raavan1]

This the teaser right? I'm going to see what I can come up with

I think this is sam and sophia

 

[nexer]

I think this is sam and sophia

Sam bare-chested

 

[raavan1]

Sam bare-chested

He removed his shirt

 

[Michael Rawson]

As it stands right now, yes. If you (Dylan) choose Ellie, you're ruling out the path with Sophia. And vice versa. But who knows. We're talking about an evening event, which we'll probably be seeing in early 2023. And until then, this story can be rewritten again. Sophia, Dylan and Ellie ... who doesn't wish a threesome here? Ok, I know a few around here.

Yes after this update ie the next evening, maybe L&P can be change that. Which means I think Harem can be added to the Dylan route by removing the option of separating Sophia and Ellie.

If there isn't a harem in such a nice and wonderful incest game. Like eating rice and sambar without salt at lunch. It also has the highest incest fan base in this game. And Dylan, who has the biggest fan base in the game, if there has no harem for him ? Readers of the Incest story or fans of Dylan will miss an important part of the game.

Dylan's fans want everyone to see Sophia, Dylan, Ellie as (Threesome). It would be a fantasy to watch the three together. If L&P added the harem to Dylan. Dylan's supporters can enthusiastically support further on the Patreon page. I think so. Add in everything in the game, and leaving the harem route one definitely doesn't feel complete in the story.

 

[nexer]

It would be interesting to count the men in Sophia's harem. By each route
Why women can and men can't, is so unfair

 

[palmtrees89]

Just to double check, was there something with Minister L&P not taking another vacation for awhile?

Could've sworn it was somewhere around the beginning of working on 0.150

He said something along those lines after his first disappearance in the earlier stages of working on the new update. I think that was when the "Art edited with PS" bar went up by 15%, and L&P saying he wasn't home for like 2(?) weeks, only able to work on his laptop. Tell me if I'm wrong, but isn't the progress bar pretty much frozen again for the past ~3 weeks apart from the huge 5% leap in created scenes this weekend?

I don't see the update being released this year. He'll most likely take another break around christmas. Must be really nerve wrecking to work a couple hours on the game every week. When I said that I'd expect the update to be released in ~February 2022 a while ago, it was more of a joke. But it looks like L&P is the only one laughing now.

 

[Hlextor]

See, even if she warned Sophia about roaming the streets doesn't mean that Sophia should lock herself up in the house or go out only with 5 people guarding her. There were people out at night. The bus station did, only the subway was empty, hence clearly something normal. She was carrying her pepper spray, she could have had the gun but that was too much for her.

All of those options require work, extra renders firstly, more work on coding and all of them inconsequential because the crux is Sophia gets home safe without any trouble with ruffians or she has trouble. The one option where she did not have trouble is her own vehicle, now even if he had adds 20 more options to take Sophia home safely doesn't do anything for the story except waste time and this what we all will then nag at him about saying this wasn't needed.

If by any chance he did that it would also be setting a standard, people will expect similar multiple choices in other events too. Which not only makes the game development a lot more complex but extremely slow as well. Your point of it being his choice will always remain because even if there are 10 options they are all his choice of giving to you. If you still want a 11th you can't have it.

I don't remember him giving clothing choices in the game for Sophia expect for Aiden's 2nd task where she has two outfits based on the storyline. But is that a choice when the other dress basically means no scene, just 5 renders and you're done with that dress. Also the patron poll is not of discussion here. The dress seems unrealistic to wear to such a place to most, we were talking about what is realistic or not, not about how to award patrons.

As for issues, I have many many issues if I get down to it but everyone already criticizes him so much I don't want to do that to him anymore.

With honesty this game is already far from what a real world approach for an educated conservative married woman would be. I just tell myself that in the context of the game it is not ludicrous as most games are. For some scenes I just assume that maybe somewhere someplace someone might actually take that approach.

Humans are unpredictable afterall. Any act I can imagine must have already been done by someone somewhere in this world. On a grand scale of things if even one person in this world has done something then it's no longer unrealistic. Plus realism is way too subjective.

I have said this before and I'll just repeat it.

Something that I might consider unrealistic or unbelievable might have been a reality someone has lived. Just because I can't believe it doesn't mean that some other person has not experienced it.

As long as L&P in this story can convincingly write the situation I'll accept it. Example - the Julia scene from a real world perspective is unthinkable. A girl confused about her sexual feelings is provided comfort by an educated teacher and mother in such a manner by allowing sensual sensory play Infront of her daughter, but all in all the interaction at no point was ridiculous, he was able to somehow justify the scene and that's all I care for.

There is no realistic porn game. L&P just wanted to get away from the "oh he has a big cock! I want to fuck him right now."
The only almost realistic story in AWAM is the relationship between Sophia and Dylan. L&P always refers to the mother/son relationship, which makes it difficult for Sophia to open up to him in a sexual way. This takes time.
All the other stories are clearly unrealistic. At least in such a short time, it's unlikely that a woman/mother would change her personality, her behavior, eg to masturbate with her daughter, to let Aiden push her into these 12 tasks, to see Sam as more than just a flirt, to suddenly become a lesbian, 1st/2nd side-job, etc.
Maybe there is a woman somewhere in the world who would do that within 30 days... but as Sophia is described at the beginning of the game, she is not one of them.
As I said, all unrealistic. But with Dylan, he goes the route of realism. Unfortunately or better that way? I don't know.

 

[Dr.SigmundFap]

Yes after this update ie the next evening, maybe L&P can be change that. Which means I think Harem can be added to the Dylan route by removing the option of separating Sophia and Ellie.

If there isn't a harem in such a nice and wonderful incest game. Like eating rice and sambar without salt at lunch. It also has the highest incest fan base in this game. And Dylan, who has the biggest fan base in the game, if there has no harem for him ? Readers of the Incest story or fans of Dylan will miss an important part of the game.

Dylan's fans want everyone to see Sophia, Dylan, Ellie as (Threesome). It would be a fantasy to watch the three together. If L&P added the harem to Dylan. Dylan's supporters can enthusiastically support further on the Patreon page. I think so. Add in everything in the game, and leaving the harem route one definitely doesn't feel complete in the story.

Hell, I would add Patricia to that list for a foursome, but that is just wishful thinking.

 

[Cid Kagenō]

I think this is sam and sophia

 

[Dan5k74]

Could we download RPGM version from anywhere? The previous link looks dead.

Sorry, but I don't know how to help you. When I shared this link, I had found it on

You must be registered to see the links

(now dead and gone) so I believe it was a link uploaded by the developer himself. If now the link is dead, it's likely because it's so long ago and L&P hasn't renewed it on his Patreon site.

 

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[DIRTY FILTHY Animal]

No one is happy with the Apostles. Some of the people here don't mind the content, but I think everyone agrees that the pace of progress was insane. My feelings are well established on this scene.

The point is, the only way L&P could maintain realism while increasing the pace, would be to totally restructure the game. Instead of a day-by-day progression, he would need to shift to an event based release that jumped days and filled in the gaps with montages. So v0.150 would be something like an event on Monday, and event on Thursday, then an event on Saturday (just picking days), all of which would have sexy content. L&P would then have to explain that on Wednesday some boring, but important, exposition took place that set up the sex event on Thursday.

The thing is, this isn't a great idea either because it would still feel forced. But I don't know any other way to include the necessary sexy content the game needs, with the increased pace that he has to deliver. We can't have exposition forever and he knows it. Honestly, I wouldn't want to be in L&P's shoes right now. I think he has a really difficult balancing act.

Most other adult games might make you wait awhile to have sex with the main character in the game but there should have already of been sex scenes with Dylan and some girl, Sam, Elle and guy/girl, Zac and Allysa, Patricia and someone Aiden and his girl or some rando. Atleast show some of Sophias dirty fantasies too

 

[GingerSweetGirl]

Most other adult games might make you wait awhile to have sex with the main character in the game but there should have already of been sex scenes with Dylan and some girl, Sam, Elle and guy/girl, Zac and Allysa, Patricia and someone Aiden and his girl or some rando. Atleast show some of Sophias dirty fantasies too

And that's an added difficulty with telling a game from (mostly) the 1st person perspective. Since we follow Sophia almost exclusively, we can't really get insights into what the other characters are doing when she's not around them. In this particular case Dylan and Ellie are not having sex so we're not missing much, but in general a third-person perspective allows for more flexibility. Like you said, if one character's story needs to move slowly you have the ability to flip over to another character's perspective. Maybe we could have flipped over to see some action between Patricia and Carl. Instead we're stuck in the first person perspective with Sophia and the game's pacing is impacted by it.

This isn't a criticism of L&P, just something I've noticed that I would keep in mind if I was making my own game.

 

[t3alqdansam]

See, even if she warned Sophia about roaming the streets doesn't mean that Sophia should lock herself up in the house or go out only with 5 people guarding her. There were people out at night. The bus station did, only the subway was empty, hence clearly something normal. She was carrying her pepper spray, she could have had the gun but that was too much for her.

All of those options require work, extra renders firstly, more work on coding and all of them inconsequential because the crux is Sophia gets home safe without any trouble with ruffians or she has trouble. The one option where she did not have trouble is her own vehicle, now even if he had adds 20 more options to take Sophia home safely doesn't do anything for the story except waste time and this what we all will then nag at him about saying this wasn't needed.

If by any chance he did that it would also be setting a standard, people will expect similar multiple choices in other events too. Which not only makes the game development a lot more complex but extremely slow as well. Your point of it being his choice will always remain because even if there are 10 options they are all his choice of giving to you. If you still want a 11th you can't have it.

I don't remember him giving clothing choices in the game for Sophia expect for Aiden's 2nd task where she has two outfits based on the storyline. But is that a choice when the other dress basically means no scene, just 5 renders and you're done with that dress. Also the patron poll is not of discussion here. The dress seems unrealistic to wear to such a place to most, we were talking about what is realistic or not, not about how to award patrons.

As for issues, I have many many issues if I get down to it but everyone already criticizes him so much I don't want to do that to him anymore.

With honesty this game is already far from what a real world approach for an educated conservative married woman would be. I just tell myself that in the context of the game it is not ludicrous as most games are. For some scenes I just assume that maybe somewhere someplace someone might actually take that approach.

Humans are unpredictable afterall. Any act I can imagine must have already been done by someone somewhere in this world. On a grand scale of things if even one person in this world has done something then it's no longer unrealistic. Plus realism is way too subjective.

I have said this before and I'll just repeat it.

Something that I might consider unrealistic or unbelievable might have been a reality someone has lived. Just because I can't believe it doesn't mean that some other person has not experienced it.

As long as L&P in this story can convincingly write the situation I'll accept it. Example - the Julia scene from a real world perspective is unthinkable. A girl confused about her sexual feelings is provided comfort by an educated teacher and mother in such a manner by allowing sensual sensory play Infront of her daughter, but all in all the interaction at no point was ridiculous, he was able to somehow justify the scene and that's all I care for.

I agree we can disagree. I am happy you are good with some fails and not with others. As long as you afford me those same considerations we only discuss elements of the story. When you say that it is my choice and I am only following the many paths he already creates then we disagree. Is that agreeable?

 

[t3alqdansam]

There is no realistic porn game. L&P just wanted to get away from the "oh he has a big cock! I want to fuck him right now."
The only almost realistic story in AWAM is the relationship between Sophia and Dylan. L&P always refers to the mother/son relationship, which makes it difficult for Sophia to open up to him in a sexual way. This takes time.
All the other stories are clearly unrealistic. At least in such a short time, it's unlikely that a woman would change her personality, her behavior, eg to masturbate with her daughter, to let Aiden push her into these 14 tasks, to see Sam as more than just a flirt, to suddenly become a lesbian, 1st/2nd side-job, etc.
Maybe there is a woman somewhere in the world who would do that within 30 days... but as Sophia is described at the beginning of the game, she is not one of them.
As I said, all unrealistic. But with Dylan, he goes the route of realism. Unfortunately or better that way? I don't know.

And how hard would it have been for him to use simple time jumps to make the change more realistic. It has already been four real years why did he not? Who knows? I agree with your summary.

 

[t3alqdansam]

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[GingerSweetGirl]

And how hard would it have been for him to use simple time jumps to make the change more realistic. It has already been four real years why did he not? Who knows? I agree with your summary.

As we discussed earlier, it probably would be pretty difficult to use time jumps because of how he constructed the story. There are so many moving pieces with characters and stories, that he would have needed to construct the game from the beginning with time jumps in mind. Since he didn't do that, as Dr.Fapalot said, he would have needed to restructure the entire story to account for a unplanned for time jump, and that would be a nightmare. That's probably the reason he canceled the second time jump. He probably reached a point where he knew he needed a second one, but since it wasn't planned for from the beginning it was impossible to implement it.

Basically we're stuck with this format.