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We know if the second part of the sophie/sam we will be more easy to so for L&P?you know not a bar with 18 people
- Sep 23, 2020
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She warned her about roaming on those streets not the subway station. On a bad day nothing is safe, Even ones own house.
What bad situation did she see. Could she foretell that the subway is empty at a reasonable hour or that she will he attacked. When she enters the subway she too is surprised at how empty it is. Giving you the impression that it was not the case in her previous city. If I move to a new city and decide to take the subway I would consider using it based on my experience with the transport in the previous city, not automatically assume that I going to get attacked.
It's just like how as an audience of a horror movie when you see MC go down the cellar of his own house when he hears a noise, most people call him dumb or and idiot not considering that they as an audience are aware there is actual danger not the MC. Hence most people call it unrealistic not stopping to think that it would be logical thing for the MC to do.
As for the option of the taxi, why not also have an option of calling Liam to come pick her up. If he can't then Carl or Patricia. Then an option to directly take the bus and also an option of Claire considering to drop Sophia home as she is concerned for her safety and of course we have the option of her taking her own car. Let's have 200 renders of Sophia having realistic options to go home because In a real world she definitely would.
Because until L&P gives us every choice possible in the world for the situation it isn't realistic and it is basically his choice not mine.
He should have also given a choice for the way Sophia is dressed for the "Damn Biker Bar" as I and many others find it unrealistic.
If we sit down to pick apart the scenes and try to provide solutions for every situation in the game, there will hardly be a scene left. For god's sake there are solutions to every Saw Movie Trap. So what would you say, that was unrealistic as well because all of those had a solution to them, a way to avoid their deaths and it didn't occur to the people. If things don't happen the way that they do there is no story to tell.
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We have now moved onto complaining about the Subway scene, wtf?
Talcum Powder made a good point about it already, can we just move on?
At the end of the day its an adult game, do we really have to take it so serious?
Talcum Powder made a good point about it already, can we just move on?
At the end of the day its an adult game, do we really have to take it so serious?
Im still wondering why the bar scene is going to take almost 2 months to do given that the bar is a preset and the only different things are the stage which takes 5 minutes to do + add new drums and guitars, the rest is just props on top of tables.
There's 15 new background characters, lets say he did 2 a day (which is terrible but anyways).
Im wondering what the remaining 6/7 weeks are for, probably going to cure covid while he's creating scenes and rendering. It's ridiculous.
There's 15 new background characters, lets say he did 2 a day (which is terrible but anyways).
Im wondering what the remaining 6/7 weeks are for, probably going to cure covid while he's creating scenes and rendering. It's ridiculous.
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Why do you think I've been suggesting he's been draping the biker's pants around their ankles? Something pointless and stupid, completely unerotic, but classed as "artistic", perhaps even "hot". And takes a lot of time. Particularly if he's using pants that aren't designed to drape, like the yoga outfits for that event.
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I'm inclined to agree. I understand that the attempt at "realism" sets this game apart from most other games, but at some point we have to balance the attempt of realism with entertainment. I mean, let's be honest, none of this is realistic- it's just realistic in the context of a porn game. And while I mean no disrespect to L&P, he isn't writing a modern day epic novel, he's making smut. It's good smut. But it's smut. At some point this game will probably become too ridiculous for most of us and we'll miss what it could have been, but let's face it- the realism has been slipping away for a while. Either you can roll with it or it's a deal breaker. Neither option is wrong, but at some point you just gotta save your breath.
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Its probably still more realistic then most or maybe even all other games here but I can't be sure on that 100% but I'd guess its more realistic then most especially when you add this slow burn instead of "omg I just saw this big dick and now its inside my virgin body".
I mean look at the last 2nd job event, "You teen/preteens don't know how to jerk off? Well I'll just show you, fuck it" granted she wasn't jerking them off for pleasure but for teaching but still.
Regardless its an Adult game which is why I don't see the need to take it so serious when it comes to the size of a bag, distances between places, types of clothes, or the subway event.
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shit's easy now, just use fit control and then fix with the meshgrabber
This is the only VN/game that I take even remotely seriously. That's because I used to read erotic novels, novellas & short stories. Eons ago I also used to enjoy erotic films. You had to look to continental Europe for those, as what came from the U.K. was mostly dross, though to be fair, so was a lot of what came out of Europe. As for the U.S., apart from one or two noteworthy exceptions, it was about as adept with eroticism as the U.K. I'm not talking about straightforward porn but about erotic cinema, i.e. real actors, proper scripts, engrossing stories & decent production values.
When AWAM began, with its' ambitious mission statement, it seemed as though we were changing up from the usual 3d porn game to something approximating the best of erotic cinema in 3d render form, or witnessing a good erotic novel in pixel form. It was captivating & this is where I started to take it more seriously than the games I'd played until then. So for a while this appeared to be a bit of a breakthrough & as I liked to think of it, "an erotic story, written by an adult for adults." That it wouldn't be ideal for me, or anybody else, was a given but for a time it really hit those markers of class, style & realism & with the familiar excellent renders.
I'm not sentimental about games. This week I deleted a range of stories that had the common denominator of having last had an update over 6 months ago. I move my patronage on Patreon to where stuff is being produced, rather than wait interminably for a creator to upload something worthwhile, if they appear to have stopped, or slowed to a crawl. It's the reason I don't support AWAM financially, though I'd be happy to do so if updates were predictably frequent.
As I've said elsewhere, I can't quite put a finger on where this game started to change into something more closely resembling the usual 3d porn game, with stereotyped characters & unlikely scenarios. Everyone, if asked, would probably have different ideas on this anyway & I don't wish to start another debate. If, however, I had to pick a point at which it's slow, subtle morphing began, then, for me, it would be the moment Sophia got her breasts out for Dylan to view. I was suddenly struck both by the ludicrousness of the situation & the sheer size of the on-show mutant mammaries. I didn't complain back then but was a trifle surprised when no-one else did. [Yes, I know I've made up for it since.... free speech etc.]. So, this was the new norm?.....Yes & then it got worse.
Since that event L&P has by turns delighted, frustrated & at times sickened me but I'm still here, largely out of curiousity but still 'serious' because I never even considered deleting AWAM in this week's overdue cull of the 'too slow' games.
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I still can't believe that he has seemingly introduced a new environment and populated it with numerous characters, only for it to play a small-ish role in the overall event that it was introduced in. I don't get it. The scene looks great from what we've seen, why not make use of it and build the entire scene around it? Unless he plans on using it again in the future, this feels like a huge waste of time.
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And the funny thing about the 2nd side job and reading about it on the forum is that in Two P.Ds that started on P.D. 11, The apostle achieves more with Sophia than any other males, besides Liam, from the start of P.D. 1, through "Sex-Ed" of course. And although Dylan is her Son, She applying the same "Sex-Ed" Theme with him as well, and he is nowhere even close to that level yet. This is just one example of why people are questioning the realism of AWAM. Yes, It's smut in the end, as GingerSweetGirl said, and as you point out, we shouldn't take it seriously, but L&P said his novel is based on his comments
His artwork is good, but some of the story paths do call into question of realism, which is a problem L&P created when he used these words to describe his novel. So it's only natural that people will question his reasoning behind certain scenes. IMO, He should have never used the word "Realistic" to describe his novel.
So the question here is, Do you think it's realistic that the "Apostle" achieve that level of "Sex-Ed" in two P.Ds?
Absolutely, categorically, undoubtedly Not Realistic. So glad to be able to avoid it. I'm glad you've shown that extract from L&P. It reminds us all exactly what was supposed to be going on here.
my main issue here is that I thought he had gone to a huge trouble putting that scene together but after all its just an out of the box scene, he barely touched anything
theres no reason at all to spend more than a week building that scene, unless you work 1 day per week or 1 hour per day. the more we go forward the worse it gets in terms of him being able to keep the jig up
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No one is happy with the Apostles. Some of the people here don't mind the content, but I think everyone agrees that the pace of progress was insane. My feelings are well established on this scene.
The point is, the only way L&P could maintain realism while increasing the pace, would be to totally restructure the game. Instead of a day-by-day progression, he would need to shift to an event based release that jumped days and filled in the gaps with montages. So v0.150 would be something like an event on Monday, and event on Thursday, then an event on Saturday (just picking days), all of which would have sexy content. L&P would then have to explain that on Wednesday some boring, but important, exposition took place that set up the sex event on Thursday.
The thing is, this isn't a great idea either because it would still feel forced. But I don't know any other way to include the necessary sexy content the game needs, with the increased pace that he has to deliver. We can't have exposition forever and he knows it. Honestly, I wouldn't want to be in L&P's shoes right now. I think he has a really difficult balancing act.
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I agree that time-lapses or skips would have been the key to advancing the novel with montages and narrations to give it a more realistic feel, but L&P's problem is the number of supporting characters and paths he has in the story. To time-lapse the events, he would have to visit each storyline and make sure it lines up with a time-lapse or skip. If it doesn't, he will have all sorts of problems, not to mention the hours he would need to review each character's storyline that interacts with Sophia. I think this is why he didn't want to time-lapse the story going forward and keep it the way it is right now.
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I agree. For every problem it fixed it probably created a new one. Changing gears like this in midstream was probably just too much.