VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.201] [Lust & Passion]

[Bane71]

I know there is no complete story written, but I believe he has the basic direction of the game and important scenes' ideas already planned out. More like in bullet points form. A new writer would have to figure out his own new scene ideas and how exactly he wants to develop the route and unless he/she wants to continue this a logicless porn, they will have to think it through and make proper scenes thar make sense.

I agree with you.
Regarding L&P, I want to say that it is quite difficult to write scenes and dialogues of heroes so that it is interesting and at the same time not banal, given the need to combine a lot of facts and plot arcs.
Unfortunately, as soon as someone expresses an understanding of the complexity of the work performed by L&P, some people call such a person an L&P agent. This is not funny, it's sad because none of the ardent critics of L&P, most likely, does not work 11 hours a day himself.
If a person has to work so much, then he understands perfectly well how hard it is, not to mention the creative process, but it means creating interesting storylines and writing intriguing, exciting dialogues.
And if the pace of work slows down, then I understand that the person is tired or probably something is not working out, the process is not going smoothly. While we are waiting for this, we perceive it extremely critically, but I believe it upsets the developer no less than us.

In any case, I only hope that it will not stop working, as it has already happened with other projects, everything else is secondary and less important.

 

[ancienregimele]

Omg, if L&P literally never has Sophia sleep with anyone but Liam it would be the greatest troll I'll ever witnessed. I don't think it's likely, but holy shit would it be an incredible subversion of expectations.

I don't think that L&P deliberately set out with this in mind but it feels that actual sex, as opposed to sexual acts, are so far away as to have a strong possibility of never happening. This would mean that the "Liam solution" would be the only one, by default. Over time the story has become over-complicated & we all know what happens to suggestions to make it less so. I keep hoping that the Dev does himself & the fans a favour & despite everything starts to take out unnecessary stories & characters. There are so many to choose from & as for Sophia's days, I don't know how she fits it all in.

After the kind of days Sophia has, it's not surprising if she's just too tired for sex. Now there's a solution.....

 

[hzjujk]

I don't see a scenario in which Sophia doesn't eventually relent to Aiden and his tasks. This has been discussed countless times, and once she does it will no longer truly be blackmail, but to complete his tasks I see no other alternative.

It'll be interesting to see how L&P handles the second opportunity to end the storyline with Aiden. If the first is "comfortable" and the second is "uncomfortable" I wonder if the second option will require sex. I believe it's scheduled late enough in the game after Sophia has already begun to cheat on Liam. I could see an interesting development where Sophia can choose to end the tasks early and have sex with Aiden, thus ending the blackmail but making her more open to cheating, or she can refuse to have sex with him and continue the blackmail and follow it deeper into corruption. It could lead to lots of different options late in the game and be a pivotal moment in her development.

Why should Aiden accept such a lazy compromise for him? Why end the deal prematurely with sex that he is convinced he will get anyway? And what should prevent him from simply continuing with the tasks afterwards? Please explain that.

 

[Ara-sH]

Why there is no gallery mod? I have seen games have gallery mod the same day the got first release!

 

[hzjujk]

That was only hinted at in Sophia's internal monologue but I don't think it was ever a Dev plan, rather just a way someone in that situation might think. What is due to occur 'soon' is the "easy" way to end the tasks. This could involve Don Morello, or perhaps his involvement will be part of the later "hard" way to end them, which might include further obligations to his organisation.

I'm looking forward to all the genuine blackmail haters bailing out with the easy option. This should lead to greater happiness all round. I always wanted Dylan in my playthrough but as a normal teenage son, (problematic enough, as those with sons at such a stage now or in the past could testify), rather than a sexually "confused" PITA, [nicest term I could think of]. When I was able to pair him up with Emma I felt like shaking L&P's hand, (a rare thing) & I hope that the Aiden detractors will feel likewise, sometime in the first half of next year. Those who follow the route will then be free to see what number they reach in the fullness of time.

If you include me in this, I will have to disappoint you. Morally I have sunk far too low to give up the Aiden blackmail route now. I just have an almost satanic joy in pointing out the consequences of childish fantasies in this forum about blackmail. And as some here do NOT react to my posts shows me I have success with it.

 

[GingerSweetGirl]

Why should Aiden accept such a lazy compromise for him? Why end the deal prematurely with sex that he is convinced he will get anyway? And what should prevent him from simply continuing with the tasks afterwards? Please explain that.

Why are you so combative?

 

[PietruccioTheHilander]

I have a great story in mind. Only if I had the technical skills to turn it into a VN

me too

 

[PietruccioTheHilander]

I'm to the point where I think we should almost disregard anything he said more than two years ago. I say "almost" because there's still some value in his previous statements but, as you said, a lot has changed in the last two years. But statements like "the whole story is written" and even hints about what will happen on Playable Day 19 should be taken with a grain of salt. He said these things when the game and its development cycle were much different. When he suggested a 3 to 4 years of development, he was probably thinking he'd get to sex in 18 to 24 months. Obviously that's been blown all to hell. It would not shock me if he has thrown out most of what he had planned originally. IF he does intend on finishing this game, and he's not just stringing us along until he abandons it, then it would make sense to rearrange some of his previous ideas. Like, I'm not sure this game can survive if the first cheating scene is still five or more years away. Yes, right now the number of Patrons is steadily increasing, but the pressure for some payoff is going to increase as well. The game's success may require that the story's pace increase so that sex can happen within the next couple of years.

Or ViperDonkey is right and this is all a scam.

in one of his answers in his profile here, some time ago he still said that the game would have been abandoned.
he may not have changed his mind

 

[Dr.SigmundFap]

That was only hinted at in Sophia's internal monologue but I don't think it was ever a Dev plan, rather just a way someone in that situation might think. What is due to occur 'soon' is the "easy" way to end the tasks. This could involve Don Morello, or perhaps his involvement will be part of the later "hard" way to end them, which might include further obligations to his organisation.

I'm looking forward to all the genuine blackmail haters bailing out with the easy option. This should lead to greater happiness all round. I always wanted Dylan in my playthrough but as a normal teenage son, (problematic enough, as those with sons at such a stage now or in the past could testify), rather than a sexually "confused" PITA, [nicest term I could think of]. When I was able to pair him up with Emma I felt like shaking L&P's hand, (a rare thing) & I hope that the Aiden detractors will feel likewise, sometime in the first half of next year. Those who follow the route will then be free to see what number they reach in the fullness of time.

I don't think the first solution is really going to be that comfortable considering what he said in his text about both solutions. It's the GTA part of it. He may write Sophia story for an HJ or BJ (speculation) to end the tasks at hand. He has the upper hand right now taking into consideration his background and what Sophia knows about him, but who knows. Maybe L&P will give her the option just to pay him off as part of the first solution.

 

[ancienregimele]

If you include me in this, I will have to disappoint you. Morally I have sunk far too low to give up the Aiden blackmail route now. I just have an almost satanic joy in pointing out the consequences of childish fantasies in this forum about blackmail. And as some here do NOT react to my posts shows me I have success with it.

No, I had you down as borderline...could have gone either way. I hope that once the nay-sayers have gone that the tasks can get more difficult, for Sophia that is, overtly sexual, not too enjoyable etc. Maybe Aiden finds even better grounds for blackmail. If they're outside of school, so much the better. I hope he collaborates with adults like Xavier to dream them up. Then they couldn't be childish. You'll be right there!

Will we see many more? I doubt it but who knows?

 

[raavan1]

Why....why aiden giving 12 tasks to sophia..?
If he wants to fuck her then fuck her..but why

 

[ancienregimele]

Why....why aiden giving 12 tasks to sophia..?
If he wants to fuck her then fuck her..but why

Have you read this story? Nobody, (but nobody) just fucks who they want, whenever they want, because that's simple, basic, boring, tedious, badly written pornographic dross, which this story isn't.

 

[ancienregimele]

I don't think the first solution is really going to be that comfortable considering what he said in his text about both solutions. It's the GTA part of it. He may tell Sophia for an HJ or BJ (speculation) to end the tasks at hand. He has the upper hand right now taking into consideration his background and what Sophia knows about him, but who knows. Maybe L&P will give her the option just to pay him off as part of the first solution.

You could be right except for the paying off bit because Aiden is already a spoilt rich kid.

 

[nexer]

Why should Aiden accept such a lazy compromise for him? Why end the deal prematurely with sex that he is convinced he will get anyway? And what should prevent him from simply continuing with the tasks afterwards? Please explain that.

It's a game, but as I said before, Aiden has nothing to lose and if Sophia refuses there are 2 possibilities: boarding school and bullying.
As already commented, for Aiden the only danger is the police and Sophia hasn't done anything so far and it's already too late for her 4th task.
It's also a matter of prestige but the 3rd task proves that it's also personal. The first 2 took place at school with a gang member as a witness, the third one didn't, it was only for Aiden. The interest on Aiden's part is clear, beyond control and humiliation comes sex as the purpose of blackmail.
And Aiden isn't the shy type, him with a sex partner in a private space, he wants an audience but he will be the first.

And one more detail, Aiden has noticed that his tasks turn her on and he knows that with the right adjustment of tasks he will get everything he wants: sex, control, domination.
All that being said I don't think a bj, hj will be able to stop the blackmail

 

[nexer]

Sophie's upset is great when she discovers that Aiden has tricked her and there is a possibility that during the 4th task she may record him. We have no explicit demands from Aiden and he will have to explain to her what to do.
The discussion I think will take place before school starts and outside of class at which point Sophia could extend the conversation and introduce the question: what if I don't want to?

 

[hzjujk]

Why are you so combative?

In this case I wasn't, combative! I said PLEASE. I am not very familiar with English. I use Goggle to check my translations before I post them. Linguistic subtleties, such as emotions or moods, are neglected.

 

[VanDarkBalls]

Sophie's upset is great when she discovers that Aiden has tricked her and there is a possibility that during the 4th task she may record him. We have no explicit demands from Aiden and he will have to explain to her what to do.
The discussion I think will take place before school starts and outside of class at which point Sophia could extend the conversation and introduce the question: what if I don't want to?

Will the task be performed in the classroom ?

 

[nexer]

Will the task be performed in the classroom ?

yeah, at school at least, I think

And I don't think Sophia will enter the classroom without knowing the 4th task.

 

[t3alqdansam]

I also thought about the Dylan solution as the ultimate ninja and discarded this solution. It wouldn't work. Aiden would always find a way to harass Sophia further.
Morello, on the other hand, would be like a stroke of fate, with him the threat would be enough. Because if Aiden resisted he would insult the mafia boss himself, Aiden would not have shown him any respect and so it would no longer be about Sophia. Dylan has no chance here as a problem solver.
The question is whether Morello is still available as an option after the 12 tasks. Would Morello then still see Sophia as the sexy woman with class who deserves his respect or just as a slut?

Morello has to be an early solution. I agree too late and he is no longer enamored. Dylan, all depends on the beat down. If he waxes Aiden hard then he becomes a mini enforcer. I know how I reacted as a teenager to another adult insulting my mom. She called me off before it got ugly. That ended that. I can easily see Dylan getting that way as he is currently moving into the possessive.

 

[VanDarkBalls]

yeah, at school at least, I think

And I don't think Sophia will enter the classroom without knowing the 4th task.

Zac and Andre will be happy