VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.201] [Lust & Passion]

[jamdan]

This argument is about the task when she had to lift her skirt, right?

Obviously the odds that other students wouldn't notice isn't realistic. They don't have their heads down doing work the entire class. They'd look around, especially boys when a hot teacher walks past them. I remember a substitute teacher in HS, she usually wore tops that showed cleavage. Boys often tried to look down her top, and other students noticed them. Female students do the same with attractive male teachers. Teenagers are perverted, it's part of being a teenager.

And regardless of the students being in friend groups, every student in the school would know about it within a few days. Friend groups can overlap, students overhear things, social media etc. This is how 99% of rumors start. Someone learns about something they weren't supposed to know about and tell others about it.

The same applies to an accidental flash. Everyone in the school would know about it. I remember knowing things about other people in HS and I'd never even met them before. When she bent over and flashed the entire class, or spread her legs when she was sitting on the desk so they could see. 10000% that every student in that school knows about it.

 

[Sabertooth__]

I just want to add this little thing. A visual evidence of what I am saying.

She checked before doing it and and the skirt lifting only lasted a few seconds. Pretty easy to pass, if you have made sure that no one is looking.

It was not like L&P ignored the part that some students could be looking over. He used this scene to show that no one was.
If people are just going to ignore certain Renders and lines to facilitate what they say then it is not the scenes fault but the person's failure in interpreting what is happening on screen.




It is after this that she lifts her skirt for a few seconds. I have no issues and I see no problem.

Also the part that the students will be talking about Sophia has been addressed. Things take time to spread. Eventually everyone will be aware of what is happening in the class but something so trivial as an accidental upskirt creating a ruckus to the point where everyone in the whole building knows it on the same day is literally a stupid belief to me.

Edit - Also Apparently the students got accustomed to this style and weren't distracted anymore during the second half. Even after the upskirt unlike some people on the thread who just couldn't get over the fact that she wore such a dress and couldn't control their excitement that they saw an upskirt and it should be reported to every single person in the building on the Same Day.




The biggest problem is people create their own reality here. Even if a matter has been addressed in the novel they will ignore it to create their own version and then say that what happens in the novel is unrealistic. The students aren't as immature. Just an accidental upskirt doesn't get them as riled up. But for some here the very idea that the students aren't going crazy over an upskirt in class is absurd.

 

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I counted the days of development correctly. It is 4 months 15 days. And I remember being the one correcting you. You love to go back and search messages. So if it was not deleted. I would like to bring out the message where I said a lie about the development cycle and said a false number about the length of the cycle of development for v0.150.

There you have it.
Sabertooth caught in another one of his lies. Like I said previously, I was the one correcting you. And you were absolutely lowballing the number. Truth is between updates it was from June 15. Just because he's on vacations, it doesn't mean it shouldnt count.

"Everyone knows what kink Shaming is"
I know a ViperDonkey who didn't know. You didn't say it didn't fit, you used it as a derogatory remark at L&P and his game numerous times and that is kink Shaming.

Seems like all that work I put into teaching you went to waste afterall.

If you think that saying what happened which was "L&P put Sophia jacking off 2 teens and that storyline advanced way fucking quickly and it didnt fit the story" is making a derrogatory remark, then you're the one with prejudice in your head. Maybe the kink shamer is you :/

The word hired was never in his message. He just said that he has contacted a few and is awaiting their reply.

A classic example of you trying to manipulate a person's words and then try and to prove your point.

I have nothing more to say. It's new year and i don't want to spoil the thread. And hence this is Full Stop from my side.

Hope you have an nice New Year and you can move on from a dev who you hate and who Hates you, and from a game that it stupid to you to a game you can genuinely enjoy without having a guilty conscience.

The "word" hired was never in his message, then what was that? An announcement of an announcement? Is it this update or the next? He was also confused by it. Is the dev special or not? We're all waiting on those answers.
Or maybe, just maybe, was just another L&P announcement that'll never happen, just like his patreon promises.

As for realistic, how many women do you know who were in the same situation as Sophia in the scene. How many books on human psychology have you read to decide that no educated woman would do it. Then just like I would say No educated woman will help someone to be confident about their sexuality by having sensory play them. No educated woman will let her children make sexual advance on her. No educated woman will kiss her sister for a stupid bet.

You can't tell, what a person can do. Even the most educated people sometimes are found doing stuff no expects them to. My thoughts on the 2nd side job are known on This thread. I have mentioned its flaws and if only you could understand English, you would have already known.

The word hired was never in his message. He just said that he has contacted a few and is awaiting their reply.

A classic example of you trying to manipulate a person's words and then try and to prove your point.

Thank you for that statement. Seriously. By not telling us good people here, with an actual brain, that a suposedly educated, well-respected women would go on a 2nd class at the home of another woman and jack off her 2 very young looking kids, believing the shitty "its just for a sexual education lesson" excuse, you show us all what you're doing here: stan for L&P no matter what his choices are.

 

[Sabertooth__]

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There you have it.
Sabertooth caught in another one of his lies.

If you remember the chart that was used for calculating the update cycle you would know what date was used and accepted widely on this thread.
Also I am not a patron but I do remember him mentioning that he will start his work on Monday which was the 5th of July. Any patron can go and read the message right now.



And once again proved with FACTS what a big liar and manipulator of facts you are. Even though I am certain you have that patron message saved, you deliberately ignored it.

Rest of the facts you mentioned in your edited message I have already answered.
And won't do it again.


Also lastly thankyou to Talcum Powder for making these graphs.

 

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This argument is about the task when she had to lift her skirt, right?

Obviously the odds that other students wouldn't notice isn't realistic. They don't have their heads down doing work the entire class. They'd look around, especially boys when a hot teacher walks past them. I remember a substitute teacher in HS, she usually wore tops that showed cleavage. Boys often tried to look down her top, and other students noticed them. Female students do the same with attractive male teachers. Teenagers are perverted, it's part of being a teenager.

And regardless of the students being in friend groups, every student in the school would know about it within a few days. Friend groups can overlap, students overhear things, social media etc. This is how 99% of rumors start. Someone learns about something they weren't supposed to know about and tell others about it.

The same applies to an accidental flash. Everyone in the school would know about it. I remember knowing things about other people in HS and I'd never even met them before. When she bent over and flashed the entire class, or spread her legs when she was sitting on the desk so they could see. 10000% that every student in that school knows about it.

No dude, stop being logical. This isn't the place for that. Sabertooth_ is the only person here who was a teenage boy once.

Quite funny he keeps banging on that scene with a massive post when I've already said this:

She's the hot new teacher, mother of a student who every boy has now a crush on. I'm fine with it in the story, as again, I don't think this story has to be 100% realistic - but then again I don't bring "immersion" to this topic when it suits me and forget about it when it suits someone else, and like I said previously, it's necessary so the erotism goes on but this isn't realistic at all.

But for people who for instance, care about grass detail so they can feel immersed, I do wonder how plot holes /story inconsistencies /lack of logic/lack realism doesn't break their immersion.

but I guess his interpretation is as good as he says mine is.

 

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If you remember the chart that was used for calculating the update cycle you would know what date was used and accepted widely on this thread.
Also I am not a patron but I do remember him mentioning that he will start his work on Monday which was the 5th of July. Any patron can go and read the message right now.

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And once again proved in with FACTS what a big liar and manipulator of facts you are. Even though I am certain you have that patron message saved, you deliberately ignored it.

Also lastly thankyou to Talcum Powder for making these graphs.

I took my dates from L&Ps patreon.
If on July 3 he says he's preparing the script, isn't that part of the development cycle?
Do I need to explain that to you or are you able to understand it yourself?

edit: and just a note, The dev cycle begins once the previous update is published. It's not our fault L&P goes on a 1-2 week vacation everytime he finishes an update.

 

[Sabertooth__]

I took my dates from L&Ps patreon.
If on July 3 he says he's preparing the script, isn't that part of the development cycle?
Do I need to explain that to you or are you able to understand it yourself?

edit: and just a note, The dev cycle begins once the previous update is published. It's not our fault L&P goes on a 1-2 week vacation everytime he finishes an update.

Yeah, it is L&P's fault that he is a human and needs a break. That he has to organize his library like he mentioned in his message about what he does in the period that is referred to as complete break. Even KillJoys seemed to agree that would take time.
As for 3rd July that's your dumb assumption because L&P in his message clearly says that he starts working on 5th July which was also accepted as the actual start date on this thread. Now keep up your stupid arguments. I don't care.

I just wanted to show what a liar you are and that's done.
Goodbye, happy new year.

 

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Yeah, it is L&P's fault that he is a human and needs a break. That he has to organize his library like he mentioned in his message about what he does in the period that is referred to as complete break. Even KillJoys seemed to agree that would take time.
As for 3rd July that's your dumb assumption because L&P in his message clearly says that he starts working on 5th July. Now keep up your stupid arguments. I don't care.

I just wanted to show what a liar you are and that's done.
Goodbye, happy new year.

July 3.





Who's the liar again? Preparing events for the update doesn't count for the dev cycle? Lmao

in his message clearly says that he starts working on 5th July. Now keep up your stupid arguments. I don't care.

Oh I had this one saved. Its from June 27 or something. It actually clearly says that he will start working on "Juliy 1st/2nd". Who's clearly lying after all?
Even L&P considers "preparing the events in his script" work as you can clearly see "I'll start working on the next update around July 1st/2nd".

And then on the 3rd he says "I will probably start with the scene creation".
He doesn't say "working on the next update" again. He specifically says which work inside the update he's going to start.

Apparently, even L&P agrees with me. Maybe, according to you, L&P did a dumb assumption about his own work?

You're way out of your depth here, just be quiet because you keep getting schooled and I'm starting to feel second hand embarassment.

 

[Sabertooth__]

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Who's the liar again? Preparing events for the update doesn't count for the dev cycle? Lmao



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Oh I had this one saved. Its from June 27 or something. It actually clearly says that he will start working on "Juliy 1st/2nd". Who's clearly lying after all?
Even L&P considers "preparing the events in his script" work as you can clearly see "I'll start working on the next update around July 1st/2nd".

And then on the 3rd he says "I will probably start with the scene creation".
He doesn't say "working on the next update" again. He specifically says which work inside the update he's going to start.

Apparently, even L&P agrees with me. Maybe, according to you, L&P did a dumb assumption about his own work?

You're way out of your depth here, just be quiet because you keep getting schooled and I'm starting to feel second hand embarassment.

The most recent message counts, hope you know that. His work starts with seen creation always. Like even for this update, No scripting time was taken. Only once he starts scene creation, like it has always been.

Also the start date for the charts is taken based on the discussion with thread and Talcum Powder does try to keep the chart as objective as possible without being bais. So you can go on and on with your statements.

Other than that, Happy New Year.

 

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The most recent message counts, hope you know that. His work starts with seen creation always. Like even for this update, No scripting time was taken. Only once he starts scene creation, like it has always been.

Other than that, Happy New Year.

It doesn't matter what we count here if THE DEV HIMSELF defines his work start on preparing the scenes, which he clearly does according to screenshots, hence why he says on June 27 that he'll start working on July 1/2 and then on July 3 and he says he's preparing the events for the new update and will "start scene creation". Preparing the script counts as work for the update. I consider it work, L&P considers it work too. It's quite simple. The only person not considering it work is you, because now that you see that you were wrong you don't want to admit. After all, I was being the liar and L&P "clearly said he starts working on 5th July", except he didn't, and I just showed you the screenshots you so wanted to see after I initially told you I was the one correcting you, with screenshots once again.

But look, the way you tone it down right after reading the posts from actual L&P defining his work start just says it all really. Don't bother admitting you were clearly wrong. Anyone reading those messages will see what's up.

Have a happy new year too, full of health. May we all live long enough to see the endings of AWAM.

 

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Here every update work is taken into consideration from his scene creation every update. The date agreed my majority members, used as reference for the entire cycle. What YOU believe is work is upto you.

Other than that Happy New Year.

I guess L&P is wrong then. I believe L&P starts working when he says he will start working, which on this case its clear that he started between July 1 and July 3.

Here it starts at scene creation because its when the visual chart with the 100%s comes along. It doesn't mean he only starts working there.
Unless you tell me that it is, in which case my next question is: how does the folder organizing time count as work to you if it doesn't show up on the %'s too? I guess those 5h/day that you're so pent up about don't mean anything considering we don't see them on any chart, right?

Either go by one logic or the other, don't shift whenever it suits you

Also, can you point out where he "clearly said" he would start working on 5th july? Your words.

 

[sergey matveev]

Sabertooth__
It is strange, reading your responses, I feel a high intelligence and significant analytical ability, but when it comes to criticism, especially the author's specific blunders, you rush into a fight, defending his position, forgetting both reason and objectivity. Immediately and indisputably I declare that I can neither confirm nor refute anything by personal examples. for 1000 of my negative examples, you will give 1000 of yours - positive and vice versa.
Regarding the 2nd task, we must not forget that the raising of the dress was preceded by a conversation in class, i.e. rather small closed room and everyone heard this conversation. There was also a small conflict with Aiden's accomplice over the cap. If it had happened spontaneously, I agree that it would not have attracted such attention from the students. But everything was presented in a completely different way. Surely you understand this, but you do not want to agree with the obvious facts.
And I agree that the reality of the game is quite dynamic and can vary within reasonable limits, but the author increasingly goes beyond the reasonable limits of reality deformation, without presenting a convincing explanation of the reasons for what happened.
Those 3 reasons that he took as a basis from the beginning of the game:
1. My husband hasn't fucked me for a long time (three weeks).
2. I do this for the welfare of Dylan (family).
3. I drank and can't control myself. have already been used many times and their repeated applications cause a fair negative among users who tuned in to a beautiful erotic novel, but instead get a cheap porn comic strip (albeit a very high-quality drawn one).

 

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Sabertooth__
It is strange, reading your responses, I feel a high intelligence and significant analytical ability, but when it comes to criticism, especially the author's specific blunders, you rush into a fight, defending his position, forgetting both reason and objectivity. Immediately and indisputably I declare that I can neither confirm nor refute anything by personal examples. for 1000 of my negative examples, you will give 1000 of yours - positive and vice versa.
Regarding the 2nd task, we must not forget that the raising of the dress was preceded by a conversation in class, i.e. rather small closed room and everyone heard this conversation. There was also a small conflict with Aiden's accomplice over the cap. If it had happened spontaneously, I agree that it would not have attracted such attention from the students. But everything was presented in a completely different way. Surely you understand this, but you do not want to agree with the obvious facts.
And I agree that the reality of the game is quite dynamic and can vary within reasonable limits, but the author increasingly goes beyond the reasonable limits of reality deformation, without presenting a convincing explanation of the reasons for what happened.
Those 3 reasons that he took as a basis from the beginning of the game:
1. My husband hasn't fucked me for a long time (three weeks).
2. I do this for the welfare of Dylan (family).
3. I drank and can't control myself. have already been used many times and their repeated applications cause a fair negative among users who tuned in to a beautiful erotic novel, but instead get a cheap porn comic strip (albeit a very high-quality drawn one).

Regarding the start of the game: I'm not sure for how long the idea of Liam being an MC was on L&P's mind so that might have influenced the story and some reason a little bit.

 

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Exactly, I don't include it in the work cycle. But just because people assume he is roaming around during that time and doing nothing is the reason why he had to mention that he is not completely away from the game. Did I say you should include in his work cycle, no.

There are many more that he must be doing behind the scenes which directly or indirectly are related to this game but I don't include it. No one here does.
All that matters here to everyone is when one of the hundreds are started. That's it. His scripting or whatever it was related did not increase any of the 4 100's at all.

The onn time it did increase was after his scene creation. So that's when he works. Just like we did this time. Just like we did the time before that.

And this point bis right back at you. If it is not related to the percentage yet you consider it work then you should also consider his daz library organising as work and not say that he is taking a break. Acknowledge that he has been working all those days too.

It is either This Or the That. You decide.

If that's what he is actually doing then he is working on the game, it's a pain in the ass to organize Daz libraries but it should make you more efficient specially if you need to merge scenes, subsets, reuse props etc. My logic is the same for both things. Yours changes according to the wind. You bend over backwards and do some mental gymnastics, like you're doing here, to justitfy a clear mistep in your argument. If he's preparing a script for the update so he's clearly working on the update. Simple. It's like saying that the work of a movie is only shooting the scenes. Casting, Storyboard, Writing etc isn't. It's ridiculous.

I'm still waiting for you to quote L&P saying he would start "working" on the 5th. You said I was wrong and you called me a liar. Then I showed you screenshots from L&P himself to show you that you were the one lying once again and asked you (several times now) to show me where did L&P "clearly" said he was going to start working on the 5th.

You're still failing to produce that proof. Because it doesn't exist. You took it out of your ass and now either admit you were wrong and I wasn't lying (you were) or you do the mental gymnastics you're doing right now

And the idea that Talcum is the one deciding when L&P considers what he is doing "work", is laughable. The dev cycle for L&P starts when he starts working on the update. In this case we had earlier info than usual. It's clear.

 

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He said Monday which I would like to inform you is 5th July. His "working" is always starting on when his Creation begins.
That is written in the message. The proof you ask.
Whatever he does other than that, that does not affect the 4 indicators is not work taken into consideration.

He could write in his message someday. That on 2nd I will start looking for daz assets for the next update and I will start scene creation on 5th. Doesn't mean that his is new indicator of starting work. He has been doing it, he keeps doing. Just because he specifically mentions it once does mean I give special consideration to it.

lmao. He specifically says "I'm preparing the events in my script". To which events do you think he refers to? Sophia Soccer Coach DLC? It's clearly about the next update. Hence why in the next messages he presents you the events that will be on that update.
Seriously, the lenghts you go to... just looks sad at this point

It's like saying that the work of a movie is only shooting the scenes. Casting, Storyboard, Script etc isn't. It's ridiculous.

 

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Then work is also getting the assets, imaging, organising the library for convenient use, making the cover. Even addressing his patrons, and the mails. As they all contribute to the making to ensuring L&P can continue his work.

At last Viper admits that L&P did not even take a break after every update and he is working each and everyday. Good to see you finally acknowledging work is more than the 4 percentages show and just because he doesn't include something in his indicator doesn't mean it is not work.

Finally some growth.

Wait, so NOW the percentages are the start of the work on the game? Lmao, make a decision buddy. For you, are they or are they not? If not, then you're saying he doesn't work outside of that. If yes, then you have to admit that the date of the scene creation is not the start of the dev cycle.
Which one is it buddy? Answer directly .

Just a note: the work you talk about, if it is for the update, it belongs to the dev cycle. Sourcing anything for the next update is part of the dev cycle of that update. It pains me that you don't know this. Once again you show a terrible lack of knowledge (just like when you said that batch render wasn't good without even knowing what it was, remember?)

And damn, your interpretation skills are really bad.
I didn't say I believe him and I didn't say he doesn't take breaks. Here are you lying again, smells desperate, 3rd time today, must be the new year. I specifically said:
" If that's what he is actually doing then he is working on the game"
It's quite easy to understand: if that's what he's doing, then he is working. If I believe he's doing that in those 2 weeks, that's another question and the answer is "no, I don't". 2 weeks organizing folders? Lmao.


Which brings another question for you buddy. Do you believe what L&P says? Then if yes, you must believe when he says "he is preparing the script" for the events of the next update.
Or don't you believe what L&P says?
Which one is it buddy? Answer directly .

Anyways, what you're doing right now is trying to change the subject to avoid the fact that you got caught lying twice (now three times). I was the one correcting you, like shown on screenshot.
Dev cycle started between July 1 and July 3, as shown on screenshot.

All you've shown so far is a bunch of lies and logical flaws in your arguments. I'm still waiting on L&P's screenshot "clearly" saying he was starting on the 5th. Your words.

Now I understand how you think you have more experience in school than the rest, you've been schooled nonstop today.

 

[bayrischman]

Yeah, it is L&P's fault that he is a human and needs a break. That he has to organize his library like he mentioned in his message about what he does in the period that is referred to as complete break. Even KillJoys seemed to agree that would take time.
As for 3rd July that's your dumb assumption because L&P in his message clearly says that he starts working on 5th July which was also accepted as the actual start date on this thread. Now keep up your stupid arguments. I don't care.

I just wanted to show what a liar you are and that's done.
Goodbye, happy new year.

wow, in new year almost 3 hours just sabertooth. may someone disagree with sabertooth. or is the trat just for him.happy new year.

 

[Bibifoc]

All of this is so fucking interesting

 

[ancienregimele]

When a woman sits down in a skirt, she must bring her legs together - this is nature. If she spread her legs, then this is either for the administration of natural needs or in order to correct something under her skirt (or take off).

I thought about this again & it could be that Sophia in the awkward position shown in the teaser is getting her balance adjusted on heels to lift her skirt, prior to removing her panties. Sometimes when women dressed like Sophia suddenly go into the hunkering posture they may wobble, or almost overbalance. When she gets a grip she'll bring her legs together. This only makes sense if there is a class full of students but still doesn't answer the questions as to why she doesn't do all this sitting in the chair, or if she's being observed by the pupil(s) to her left.

New Year Celebrations were non-existent & I'm completely sober. Checked into the thread to catch up, read the posts in depth & viewed the likes & facepalms count. (Mixed response as expected, whenever I say anything which some find controversial.. more in the months to come but only if the situation warrants it).

All the best for 2022.

 

[BorgiaBou]

Just because he's on vacations, it doesn't mean it should ocunt.

Yeah i find this f'in' hilarious, if the dev lets say is taking a 10 yrs "vacation" and in the first month after 10 yrs of "vacation" he releases a update some will tell that he only took one month to develop the update, what kind of f'in' bullshit logic is that?!?!