VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.201] [Lust & Passion]

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Alley_Cat

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jamdan said:
To be fair, female protag games generally don't do as well financially as male protag games, of which those devs make. LP is still much larger than most other female protag games on Patreon. And a couple of those developers are also on their 2nd game (Carbodis/DRP) or have made multiple games (ISCTOR). That's where devs make their money, the 2nd game. Built a solid base on their 1st and (hopefully) improved their skills for the 2nd.

However, this game still underachieves. It's literally the only notable mom MC game, as far as I know. His current patrons are patrons because of anticipation of what could happen, not what has happened.
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Curious that you're not including the main one of late mentioned from time to time that is Project Myriam.

Personally, of the two games we're allowed to have as pics, Free Pass has a Mom MC, and DDoS, while the daughter is the MC, Mom is a major LI.

I'd be curious what GingerSweetGirl's comparative analysis of AfterChoices is, since he lists AWAM as one of his influences. But then again, Patreon has been screwing AfterChoices around with paying him as he flees Myanmar, so is switching to Subscribestar. Particularly since the content with the MC's stepdaughter also happens to be heating up. If L&P did a smooth transition to Substar, I'd be far less concerned about the future of this game with content like the bonus storyline, 2nd side job, etc, etc.
 
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Turret said:
I see your point of view! But the math for the game does not lie. With the current "speed" per update (My God, a mini-update of maybe 200-400 renders takes him half a year!) this game will be finished somewhere in the 2050s! I hope to still be alive in the 2050s, but I cannot be sure that I will still be here then. And many from us here on F95 too.
L&P´s current update speed is simply unsustainable, he has to rev up by an order of magnitude for AWAM to be even having a sliver of hope to be finished!
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I don't think L&P cares about finishing this game, he will just milk it for as long as possible and that's it. If he planned on finishing the game he wouldn't take so long for short half assed updates
 
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jamdan said:
To be fair, female protag games generally don't do as well financially as male protag games, of which those devs make. LP is still much larger than most other female protag games on Patreon. And a couple of those developers are also on their 2nd game (Carbodis/DRP) or have made multiple games (ISCTOR). That's where devs make their money, the 2nd game. Built a solid base on their 1st and (hopefully) improved their skills for the 2nd.

However, this game still underachieves. It's literally the only notable mom MC game, as far as I know. His current patrons are patrons because of anticipation of what could happen, not what has happened.
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Yeah female MC games are not very popular. This game is one of the rare exceptions. I think the slow build up was good for this game at first, it made it more unique since usually female MC's just become bimbo sluts immediately. Putting more effort into the corruption part and fleshing out the MC was good

But at this point the slow build up doesn't benefit the story anymore and instead its cheap, just a way to milk the game. Real waste of potential
 
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the problem with L&P is not his growth, alot of people are just sick of his promises and lies.

first he told us he cuts updates in half to reduce the time between releases so releases get way faster. then randomly, he told us in mid jan. (befor first release) he has to search for someone to help him (his words: update delays not much).
at the beginn of feb.(befor he coud release it) he tells us, that he is starting to do something, but cant tell us what he is doing to avoid disappointments.
at the end of feb. he tells us, that the update (0.155) is finished since mid jan., BUT he cant release it bcs he wants to add animations and these are not ready yet.
a week later he tells us, that he started to work on 0.160 to drop both versions on the end of march and that he is alrdy working on these things for 1 month(?????????) but only got 1 animation ready yet.
aftere these things, the progress on 0.160 is kinda impressiv and he manage to get (hope so) 100% 100% in almost 30 days. but nearly at the end of march he tells us, that he never gave us any promises to release both versions at the end of march, what is obviously a lie and starts to sell animation teaser for 50 dollars.

so what do we get:
befor all these promises, we got every 6-8 months an update worth ~10 minutes playtime.
after all these promises, we got nothing but a 6-8 months delay for an update half the game time.
but what we got is a new patreon tier for 50 dollars to see 10 sekunds of animation teaser.

so my final words of these nonsense is, there was never a 0.155 he always worked on 0.160! this woud also explain the fast developments right now. also he never started to work on animations on feb/jan, else he woud have more then 1 ready at the start of march.

i love this game and i even woud keep waiting 6-8 months for one update if it gets more playtime and nice animations and i like his passion to details and perfection, but he shoud stop lie to his consumers and be way more transparent to his patreons and tell them WHY he needs time. im pretty sure no one woud get mad, if he has a downphase and cant find inspiration or something.
 
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In the end, he can do whatever he wants. If people pay him 50 dollars for an animation, ok! If they are so horny that they get screwed every month, ok! Nobody is forced to pay him. And by the way, an animation that is so elaborate and doesn't even show Sophia is the biggest waste of time the game has ever seen.
 
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armion82

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Herr Mannelig said:
Yes! i agree, l & p had said that it was releasing shorter updates but in a short time, the problem that this big delay is due to the animations ... otherwise 0.155 would have been out for some time.
should prioritize, and animations in this case are not the priority (in my personal opinion).
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Not really.He was not even close to finish 0.155 back in January.
So the animation and searching for an animator can't be his whole excuse.
 
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L&P is the john romero of porn games.if you don´t know who he is check this video
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he want to make the "perfect" game and doesn´t care if he takes more time.
 
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In my opinion, the developers' approach determines the status of the Patroen follower
Some developers like L&P in Patroen sell content earlier than the official release date. And their subscribers are actually buyers.
L&Ptreats them like a customer

But others like NLT in Patroen only attract supporters. They provide quality content on a regular basis and subscribers support NLT out of complete satisfaction.

Also, providing an update soon has a great effect on attracting more Patroen , because users on different sites may download a game for free from the older version, but to get a newer version, easier way is become Patroen .

But buying a more expensive account in Patroen depends on the quality of the game and user satisfaction.

For example, the Patroen of L&P buy more expensive accounts than other games.
Another example is BoldBashStudios ("Life in Santa County" developer), which provides quality content for only with 276 Patroens its monthly income of $ 1,570.
 
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Alley_Cat said:
Curious that you're not including the main one of late mentioned from time to time that is Project Myriam.

Personally, of the two games we're allowed to have as pics, Free Pass has a Mom MC, and DDoS, while the daughter is the MC, Mom is a major LI.

I'd be curious what GingerSweetGirl's comparative analysis of AfterChoices is, since he lists AWAM as one of his influences. But then again, Patreon has been screwing AfterChoices around with paying him as he flees Myanmar, so is switching to Subscribestar. Particularly since the content with the MC's stepdaughter also happens to be heating up. If L&P did a smooth transition to Substar, I'd be far less concerned about the future of this game with content like the bonus storyline, 2nd side job, etc, etc.
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Didn't include PM since it's more of a generalist FMC game. Sure, she's a mom, but that game is clearly a sex focused game with a more whimsical story. Afterchoices is similar. And the main draw for FMC mom game's isn't the MC being a mom, it's MC being a mom which leads to incestuous activities as a focus of the game.

So, to me, AWAM is still alone in it's niche. A story focused FMC mom game, in which incest is more of a focus and not just another plotline. That's why I mentioned his patrons support due to anticipation, not what has happened. Dylan, Ellie and Pat. And how those 3 relate to other notable characters like Sam and Julie (the blonde girl who Sophia kissed at the pool?).

JOHN is probably the closest comp to AWAM. A slower paced story FMC game, but without incest. Bonus points for both of them being really slow to develop.
 
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