- Mar 28, 2017
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That's why you start small and not trying to make a MMORPG for your first game.
You need some experience and won't hurt if you have a game or two completed before going for a long and massive project.
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You need some experience and won't hurt if you have a game or two completed before going for a long and massive project.
True, but you know how some of these creative people work. They try to start with their magnum opus or during the early stages have feature/plot creep happen and bloat the original concept of the game. Also some of the creative types like to keep control of all the parts of the process, especially if it's more of a passion project rather than profession. It's not necessarily bad thing of itself, but that can lead to drama like we have with this game and people complaining that dev isn't hiring someone to help them speed up the development.
If fans are happy to have a wait of up to 5 years between connected scenes & events & if they're O.K. with a projected finish for AWAM between 2040-2050, that's great. Nobody disputes the quality of renders & much of the writing is better than average. Sometimes it's very good. There are many good things about the project, with individuals having their own ideas on what these are. It stands to reason, otherwise there would have been a mass exodus from Patreon. There wouldn't be a welter of theories & speculations, increasing exponentially, when any render or information is released.
Perhaps the Dev shouldn't have made promises to hire a team after achieving a certain number of Patrons & remuneration, only to move the goalposts on reaching that particular goal. He certainly could have chosen not to promise faster updates on several occasions over the 5 years of AWAM's existence, only to slow down development instead, each time.
He could have made things easier on himself by deciding not to include as many fetishes as possible, to focus on a few key characters rather than developing a cast numbering over 70, or maybe he might have opted for fewer storylines, instead of steadily adding more routes & even side jobs
I don't quite understand why there is a question of L&P's status as an amateur or professional. He makes quality renders, which have rarely looked amateurish & he receives payment for doing so. [Patrons are customers with no control over delivery, as were the Patrons of many Renaissance artists. I won't split hairs on this. They pay in the hopes of receiving something...that's the deal]. That makes him a professional. 3D game creation is not a profession in the sense of being an architect or engineer. There are no specific recognised apprenticeships, qualifications, or letters after the name. Anyone who succeeds in making decent money from their efforts, even though learning by trial & error, as well as by 'doing' is, ergo, a professional by default, however others may regard their position.
After all this time it might have been thought that some other elements of professionalism would have been noticeable in AWAM's case. These could include, timely delivery, a target date for completion, genuine customer care, good communications....the list goes on but no these elements do not exist. So maybe I've just destroyed my own contention & who we're talking about is indeed an amateur.
- Nov 17, 2020
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ancienregimele i love this though theres not really a reason to debate this. Theres always gonna be dick riders and people like us who are unsatisfied like a hot milf in a marriage filled with no sex.
i for one am annoyed because theres only been 2 updates maybe 3 since i started playing the game and that was last year.....
I'm just answering the previous run of posts. L&P may be undertaking the work to mainly please himself but there's no way he's an amateur. AWAM is slow because it's his preferred method of delivery, not because he's struggling with trying to learn how to do it. [Writing is difficult at times, even for professionals. If writer's block happened, he could just say. People would understand IMO & those who didn't could be ignored]. I've played since PD2 around 4-5 years ago. This was my favourite game/VN by a long way & the whole thing used to be better than it is now. I havn't played the last 2 updates but if I'm being totally honest, I will probably play again some time, if AWAM still exists.
Years ago fans would defend everything by quite rightly stating that we didn't know what problems & issues the Dev had to deal with. It's a good point but every single one of us has had to deal with stuff, sometimes by the cartload & yet has also had to carry on meeting deadlines, commitments & promises....or at least communicate directly as to why this wouldn't happen.
It's really just about whether fans, meaning paying Patrons, are happy with the way things are in sufficient numbers to enable L&P to continue in the same old style. If they are, so be it.
- Sep 28, 2018
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LP is professional in terms of artwork. He is amateur at project management. Him being not so good at project management and planning is the main reason this game isn't due to be complete for another couple decades.
There are very few fully "professional" devs. LP isn't one of them.
There are very few fully "professional" devs. LP isn't one of them.
Unless this is his business & retirement plan combined.
- Apr 23, 2017
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If you read his comments from a couple of years ago, he mentions that comment. When some people read that, they might conclude that he could be joking, but some may think it was truthful.
So here is his statement from a couple of years ago that outlines his speed concerns. I'm posting it again for people who haven't read it since it's a couple of years old.
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- Sep 27, 2019
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Progress Report Ver. 0.175.
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Has this game become NTR type? Landlady getting fucked and passed around?
Last i played the VN she was playing basketball with son and a friend
Last i played the VN she was playing basketball with son and a friend
- Jul 20, 2019
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"Getting fucked and passed around" might be the eventual plan, but even if it is, we're unlikely to get there for another couple of decades development, if at all.
And what about her son. Any incest sex yet?
What about cheating creampies or pregnancy?
- Jul 20, 2019
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Sorry, I put the quotation marks in the wrong spot. "Getting fucked", by someone besides her husband isn't likely for at least a decade, let alone "passed around". For Dylan (the son), you're looking at closer to two at least.
What r these then
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- Sep 23, 2020
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No they are not. Just open the game and see for yourself. The gallery shows all the big and important scenes of the game. There is no such scene.
And to give you a clear answer there is no chance for any guy to have sex with Sophia for another 6-7 years. A woman, if we are really lucky then maybe in 3 years. If that character does not get the lesbian sex scene then you most probably have to wait another 2 years for a chance.
- Apr 21, 2018
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No those scenes are of a MOD made by follardo this is the link of the mod https://f95zone.to/threads/a-wife-and-mother-v0-165-lust-passion-follardomodv3.122440/
it's just blue balls instead of basketballs at the moment