VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.201] [Lust & Passion]

[tofhdns]

"End of the game" doesn't necessarily mean the last day. If you look at the days Dylan doesn't have events, one of them is PD30

Of course not everything will happen all at once on 31 December.

I Mean, Not then Around that time.

 

[Alley_Cat]

so here is a question, people complain Sophia still has not had sex with someone who isn't her husband.

so my question is this, where in the current story should Sophia have sex?


Also, while I'm asking this, how many characters do you think there should be in AWAM?

That entirely depends on what you consider sex. I'm fairly sure many here are using the straight definition, implying penetrative.

But that ignores sexual contact with mouths, fingers, boobs etc.

 

[tofhdns]

so here is a question, people complain Sophia still has not had sex with someone who isn't her husband.

so my question is this, where in the current story should Sophia have sex?


Also, while I'm asking this, how many characters do you think there should be in AWAM?

There are enough characters already.
That's too many.

Does complaining matter about no sex on porn gaming sites?

I hope AWAM is faster.

Some supporters say strange things on the grounds of "moral," "realism."

Then don't make a porn game.
Make a love simulation game.

Remove the tag. Incest

 

[Alley_Cat]

There are enough characters already.
That's too many.

Does complaining about no sex on porn gaming sites matter?

I hope AWAM is faster.

Some supporters say strange things on the grounds of "moral," "realism."

Then don't make a porn game.
Make a love simulation game.

Remove the tag. Incest

The only reason why members like myself talk about realism (or class), is that L&P himself touts it as a reason his game is better than others. So it's a standard the dev himself has set.

For those that see me in other threads can vouch, I don't make a fuss at all about realism in other games. Certainly not in something like DDoS, that even never claims to be realistic. We suspect one of the NPCs is a succubus, which throws realism straight out the window.

 

[tofhdns]

The only reason why members like myself talk about realism (or class), is that L&P himself touts it as a reason his game is better than others. So it's a standard the dev himself has set.

For those that see me in other threads can vouch, I don't make a fuss at all about realism in other games. Certainly not in something like DDoS, that even never claims to be realistic. We suspect one of the NPCs is a succubus, which throws realism straight out the window.

I mean some people who say the reason for the slow pace of the game is realism.

It's not someone else

 

[randomguy]

so my question is this, where in the current story should Sophia have sex?

Im pretty sure most people feel as though the story should have been developed much farther in these last 5 years lol

 

[PaxHadrian17]

I suspect that the main problem of L&P is the burnout effect. It is the fact that he is remastering the first part that tells me about it. Of course, I may be wrong, but such a slow development of the game, such a long wait for updates, to some extent confirm my fears.
His 3D skills are at a high level, he is also engaged in programming, but writing is not just a set of knowledge. In order to write interesting, and for this game it is necessary to write exciting, the author needs inspiration. To maintain the level of involvement in the plot and inspiration at such a high level that it is still interesting to a large number of people, this is an extremely difficult task.
Those people who understand the problems faced by L&P and express some support and understanding to him here on the forum, are also subjected to very rude and inappropriate insults. They are called paid L&P lawyers, bastards, idiots and other nonsense.
To be honest, it's strange to watch this for so many years. This tells me that the nature of man does not change, we are the same as we were several centuries ago. Only the external manifestations change, but the essence remains the same.

You could have a point here.

Has AWAM become a job that L&P endures because it is how he provides for himself?

If the pacing and development speed of the AVN is a guide, then it seems like much of the 'fun' has gone out of this creation.

More time is being spent on side stories (shota boys/old men) and on newer things (animations/remastering early parts of the story), leaving less time to continue the subplots that brought so many of us to AWAM.

The trend of the slow tease/burn continues to play out. It took 6 years RL for a prim Sophia to evolve and allow one guy to be able to give her an orgasm by playing with and sucking her tits. She has still not reciprocated by giving pleasure to a guy (setting aside the good wife path which is hardly the primary focus of AWAM). She did give minor pleasure to Ellie and Julia, years ago - RL, but she has fallen back into her passive ways.

All this while development speed continues to slow.

IF he spends a significant part of his week creating, then this must be lonely since he has refused to build a team leaving him with no near peers to commiserate with or to celebrate successes. Friends and family are great, but they are not in the work trenches with you, so they really Don't get the grind of days into months into years poured into a creation or any other job.

If this has become 'just' a job for L&P, then he is missing one of the key reasons to stay at his job - the people.

Is L&P bored with AWAM now??

How many of us have stayed at a boring job because it paid the bills, and it was 'enough' for now... with now stretching into years or even decades.

We will likely never know the answer to many of these questions or receive confirmation/denial regarding some of the subjective assessment above, but the continued drop in development speed feels like an indicator that all is not well.

Do I think that AWAM will continue for years - yes.

At what point does L&P pull a 'Dread Pirate Roberts' - get a replacement who takes on the role of L&P while the artist formerly known as L&P retires?

Sarcastic... perhaps ... but....

 

[Bane71]

You could have a point here.

Has AWAM become a job that L&P endures because it is how he provides for himself?

If the pacing and development speed of the AVN is a guide, then it seems like much of the 'fun' has gone out of this creation.

More time is being spent on side stories (shota boys/old men) and on newer things (animations/remastering early parts of the story), leaving less time to continue the subplots that brought so many of us to AWAM.

The trend of the slow tease/burn continues to play out. It took 6 years RL for a prim Sophia to evolve and allow one guy to be able to give her an orgasm by playing with and sucking her tits. She has still not reciprocated by giving pleasure to a guy (setting aside the good wife path which is hardly the primary focus of AWAM). She did give minor pleasure to Ellie and Julia, years ago - RL, but she has fallen back into her passive ways.

All this while development speed continues to slow.

IF he spends a significant part of his week creating, then this must be lonely since he has refused to build a team leaving him with no near peers to commiserate with or to celebrate successes. Friends and family are great, but they are not in the work trenches with you, so they really Don't get the grind of days into months into years poured into a creation or any other job.

If this has become 'just' a job for L&P, then he is missing one of the key reasons to stay at his job - the people.

Is L&P bored with AWAM now??

How many of us have stayed at a boring job because it paid the bills, and it was 'enough' for now... with now stretching into years or even decades.

We will likely never know the answer to many of these questions or receive confirmation/denial regarding some of the subjective assessment above, but the continued drop in development speed feels like an indicator that all is not well.

Do I think that AWAM will continue for years - yes.

At what point does L&P pull a 'Dread Pirate Roberts' - get a replacement who takes on the role of L&P while the artist formerly known as L&P retires?

Sarcastic... perhaps ... but....

As they say, as many people, so many opinions.
To tell the truth, I still hope that L&P will find solutions and opportunities to speed up the creation of AWAM. According to my ideas, it will take him another 2-3 years.

I don't think that for L&P, AWAM has become just a job. In my opinion, this is still for him, something exciting and interesting, something that he wants to successfully complete. But this does not exclude the fact that the work of a writer is something special. That is why I draw the attention of forum members to the understanding that in order for a writer to write interestingly, excitingly and eventually successfully, he needs inspiration. And inspiration is such a substance that is not constantly in a person for years. Inspiration must be sought, sometimes it comes by itself, but it is infinitely impossible to keep it in yourself.
It is the burnout effect that cleanses a person of inspiration.

Also I don't think the fun has gone out of this game. On the contrary, together with Sophia, who is more sexually active, the fun will return to the game.
But I agree with you that many questions will remain unanswered.

 

[Radoslaw Wolf]

I suspect that the main problem of L&P is the burnout effect. It is the fact that he is remastering the first part that tells me about it. Of course, I may be wrong, but such a slow development of the game, such a long wait for updates, to some extent confirm my fears.
His 3D skills are at a high level, he is also engaged in programming, but writing is not just a set of knowledge. In order to write interesting, and for this game it is necessary to write exciting, the author needs inspiration. To maintain the level of involvement in the plot and inspiration at such a high level that it is still interesting to a large number of people, this is an extremely difficult task.
Those people who understand the problems faced by L&P and express some support and understanding to him here on the forum, are also subjected to very rude and inappropriate insults. They are called paid L&P lawyers, bastards, idiots and other nonsense.
To be honest, it's strange to watch this for so many years. This tells me that the nature of man does not change, we are the same as we were several centuries ago. Only the external manifestations change, but the essence remains the same.


After you finished, the second part of the game appeared. Download it and you will understand what has changed.

One of his first goals on Patreon: drop off the college and hire a team. Never fulfilled. Lies upon lies. Zero understanding from me.

 

[pcaf]

And inspiration is such a substance that is not constantly in a person for years. Inspiration must be sought, sometimes it comes by itself, but it is infinitely impossible to keep it in yourself.
It is the burnout effect that cleanses a person of inspiration.

Look man I'm sure there are many here who work in the creative industry as well and very much understand that what he's attempting to do is by no means easy. But that's what people have been warning for many many years now. It's for this very reason. That at some point, with a slow development, you will feel burnout.

Which is why many have implored the dev to fulfill his pledge and hire a team to finish this game quicker. So long as this problem is not rectified, there's always a danger that this game will eventually be abandoned.

 

[ancienregimele]

There are enough characters already.
That's too many.

Does complaining matter about no sex on porn gaming sites?

I hope AWAM is faster.

Some supporters say strange things on the grounds of "moral," "realism."

Then don't make a porn game.
Make a love simulation game.

Remove the tag. Incest

Why should a story featuring incest not have at least some sense of realism? Only one big reason I can think of but we'll come to that. Apart from the Dev's own mission statement, which he's never rescinded, AWAM began & progressed for several years along a track that was observably more realistic than virtually any other game on F95. It almost seemed that at last there was a story for grown-ups, being written by an adult.

It was good because 98% of games & VNs make no pretence at anything like logic, or scenarios with a modicum of believability. Most are, in fact, aimed squarely "where the market is," I presume. This consists of tweenage/teenage fappers, some of whom have clearly never had a girlfriend & so have little understanding of how sex & sexual situations work in real life. 3d portrayals of BJs are a case in point.....'swallow the sausage & choke' is not an erotic circumstance in RL. I'm not being snotty about this, you see, I was a teenager myself for 7 years. It's good that 100s of porn games fulfil the audience's demands. It leaves very little for those who appreciate 3d but want something different, something less predictable & boring, something less silly. Then along came AWAM with the aims & aspirations clearly outlined.

Now any attempt at realism has been ditched. AWAM is just another porn game but it's not average because it is one of the slowest on that mass market. Fans want sex & screw the logic. Strangely, however, they're not getting it. HOW many times are we going to read variations on, "has Dylan fucked his mother yet?" Now we have the ridiculously concocted situation of Dylan & Sam being in some sort of sex race. (Total tripe). That's why the realism has gone. That & the fact that it's probably easier to write average porn than to aim for an erotic VN.

So all those who say, "get fucked," "why do you stick around", "stop being negative," etc., I've already said that I still follow AWAM for the renders & out of curiousity. Face palm away my virginal children.

 

[davsun]

I suspect that the main problem of L&P is the burnout effect. It is the fact that he is remastering the first part that tells me about it. Of course, I may be wrong, but such a slow development of the game, such a long wait for updates, to some extent confirm my fears.
His 3D skills are at a high level, he is also engaged in programming, but writing is not just a set of knowledge. In order to write interesting, and for this game it is necessary to write exciting, the author needs inspiration. To maintain the level of involvement in the plot and inspiration at such a high level that it is still interesting to a large number of people, this is an extremely difficult task.
Those people who understand the problems faced by L&P and express some support and understanding to him here on the forum, are also subjected to very rude and inappropriate insults. They are called paid L&P lawyers, bastards, idiots and other nonsense.
To be honest, it's strange to watch this for so many years. This tells me that the nature of man does not change, we are the same as we were several centuries ago. Only the external manifestations change, but the essence remains the same.


After you finished, the second part of the game appeared. Download it and you will understand what has changed.

wise

 

[Brazzoth]

Combined Edition - Updated to v0.180

What's New:

• Updated the Renpy version to the latest.
• Added an option to start the game from the beginning or jump to Part 2 by answering questions.
• Added a New Fan Stories made by Pixil
• Tried to fix every bug that was in the previous version.

Previews:

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There's a bug, after the shower with Ellie where she masturbate in front of Sophia, it jumped to the latest event with Sofia and Dylan at the hair salon before the car discussion.

 

[Bane71]

wise

If this is not sarcasm, then I thank you for your appreciation.

But to tell the truth, I don't see any wisdom in my words, just an attempt to look at the work of L&P objectively.

 

[Hotcoupleeasy]

About realism: When there is logical progress then the game is realistic. Yes, it's still a game and still an erotic game, so Sophia has to do something with the boys, but the progress is logical and not stupid. In other games the boy starts fucking every lady with his huge cock.
AWAM is a realistic erotic game ( logic progress leads to hot scenes ).

 

[davsun]

If this is not sarcasm, then I thank you for your appreciation.

But to tell the truth, I don't see any wisdom in my words, just an attempt to look at the work of L&P objectively.

yep I thought the same, but Its hard to see that part of the job if the guys only want to fap

 

[tofhdns]

About realism: When there is logical progress then the game is realistic. Yes, it's still a game and still an erotic game, so Sophia has to do something with the boys, but the progress is logical and not stupid. In other games the boy starts fucking every lady with his huge cock.
AWAM is a realistic erotic game ( logic progress leads to hot scenes ).

I don't know what was hot except for the last scene of Sam.

 

[jamdan]

My beliefs on the "realism" aspect of this game is that this game has never actually been that realistic.

I think the slower pace of the updates skew what has and is actually happening in the game. People get hung up on what LP says about "realism" but somehow miss what the game itself has been saying.

Sophia, in the span of 13 days, which is not a long time. Has gone from a woman that didn't want to wear a bikini in front of her teenage kids (Sophia, by the way, was supposedly wild in her college days) to making out and being groped by her sons BFF.

Is that realistic? No, on both counts. Moms, especially fairly wealthy (implying they've had a pool before and/or take beach trips) and very attractive moms like Sophia, shouldn't feel any weirdness about wearing bikinis in front of their kids. Or weirdness about putting lotion on their daughter. Or weirdness about her son sitting on her lap.

Logically, she should've done those things multiple times before. There are many cases like this where Sophia does or doesn't do things that, logically, she shouldn't do or should've already done.

This game also isn't much of a "slowburn". I mean, sure, it's slow compared to other FMC games which are by and large walking-talking sex simulators but it's still, to me, not that slow. It just feels that way because of the update timeframes. As noted above, Sophia started out unrealistically conservative and prudish. Despite that having direct clashes with her backstory (wild college chick).

However, choosing to ignore the backstory issues and just going off how prudish she was at the start of the game, Sophia does something sexual almost everyday, and at least recently, in every event. From making out with her daughter, to bikini shows for her son and friend, to kissing her daughters friends, to helping 12 years olds put on condoms and letting them grope you to swapping spit with your neighbors son.

You don't go from being a prude to agreeing to that stuff in a matter of days. There are lots of sexual things besides sex, AWAM does this pretty well, much better than 99% of games, but that still doesn't mean it's slowburn.

 

[XaGnard]

One character very important to me is Emma. Hooking Dylan & her up stopped him lusting after Sophia, (so far). You see, I don't dislike Dylan, I just prefer him when he isn't obsessed with wanting to penetrate the woman who gave birth to him.

Also, I notice that the penny is beginning to drop, as fans recognise that AWAM is going to take over another 30 years to finish, at the current rate of development. I'd write to the Dev myself but he has no interest in what I think. Perhaps some Patrons could start asking relevant questions....

In my opinion, L&P could have left Emma out completely. She's just boring. The rest of the Dylan content, however, is what carries this game. You can't just leave that out.

Yes, I also think that this rather obvious realization is slowly gaining ground. Now L&P would just need to take a beginner's course in project management, and maybe some day Dylan can have some action.

 

[FullyAnimated]

The rest of the Dylan content, however, is what carries this game. You can't just leave that out.

He could also prune down the Dylan content to just focus on his path with Amber. A dual mother/son's friend storyline would be satisfying and allow the story to progress so much quicker.