VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.201] [Lust & Passion]

[DIRTY FILTHY Animal]

This is a very interesting conversation!

I agree that looking at sex as the end game of a relationship with a woman is very unexperienced / incel / porn adicted mindset. Sex is part of the journey with a woman, and not the final part of it, its rather almost through the whole travel.

This is real in the "lifetime span" for wife/husband, and also true in the "date span", sex is not the end game, is part of the travel, and it has before and after. It's a "child prank" and a reflection of the writter the fact that they see sex as the end game and then they don't know how to keep going on, and that is the main reason they don't know how to write "good wife" parts, because they don't know how to write good partner stories without stuffing all posible porn clichés. Again, average age 16.3, if not biological, it's their mature state in life.

But in the context of AWAM it's different, because you start with a conservative prudish housewife, and your objective is to corrupt her (it has other options but they are severely lacking content, I tried). So it's not a story about her sexual journey, it's about her corruption journey. Everything is about sex, except sex that is about power. People want to gain power over her through sex, and she looses power as she gives sex easier every act. Btw, that is another simp/incel tell from writters, as they empower a woman for giving free sex to characters (watching my wife for example they are clearly simping for her at least on the cheating part).

AVNs that understand sex is not the end game but the journey, giving the proper focus to the journey are hard to find in this genre, where everything is about recreating a brazzers scene with cheap graphics (and they are doing the same scenerios with the same bullet characters again and again).

That is why AWAM was special, it started as the leader, and it used to be different. It was AVNs hard mode, corrupting Sophia was hard and slow, everything was delayed gratification, it was special. Not anymore, Sophia is a confirmed fraud now, she is the average slut, playing the prude mommy, about to have a predictable burst of lust to recreate the exact same clichés. Nah, from special to average shit. I just want to fuck her hard, not sexually. I just want to drive her to the worse alleys, abuse her, and enjoy her downfall haha. She is a fraud now. She lied to us, she is not that prudish conservative, she was just conveniently posing.

Maybe, but we still won’t see her have sex without hubby (in the present time) for about 5 or more years

 

[tofhdns]

I want to explain why I want to say that this game is not special, it's unusual and it's low-level.

But in the context of AWAM it's different, because you start with a conservative prudish housewife, and your objective is to corrupt her (it has other options but they are severely lacking content, I tried). So it's not a story about her sexual journey, it's about her corruption journey.

I agree with this.

He would have liked to portray Sofia's slow corruption.

But this is grossly excessive if Sofia's six-year show of nakedness is all she is corrupt.

The reason is this, which you also agree with.

I agree that looking at sex as the end game of a relationship with a woman is very unexperienced / incel / porn adicted mindset. Sex is part of the journey with a woman, and not the final part of it, its rather almost through the whole travel.

This is real in the "lifetime span" for wife/husband, and also true in the "date span", sex is not the end game, is part of the travel, and it has before and after. It's a "child prank" and a reflection of the writter the fact that they see sex as the end game and then they don't know how to keep going on, and that is the main reason they don't know how to write "good wife" parts, because they don't know how to write good partner stories without stuffing all posible porn clichés.

To date, this game is just a bikini magazine that is published repeatedly every year.

Every year, only female models have changed in the same bikini swimsuit with the same background.

And it's like picking pretty pictures and forcing them to sew up a story that doesn't exist.

This is why I criticize LP.

 

[hzjujk]

This is a very interesting conversation!

I agree that looking at sex as the end game of a relationship with a woman is very unexperienced / incel / porn adicted mindset. Sex is part of the journey with a woman, and not the final part of it, its rather almost through the whole travel.

This is real in the "lifetime span" for wife/husband, and also true in the "date span", sex is not the end game, is part of the travel, and it has before and after. It's a "child prank" and a reflection of the writter the fact that they see sex as the end game and then they don't know how to keep going on, and that is the main reason they don't know how to write "good wife" parts, because they don't know how to write good partner stories without stuffing all posible porn clichés. Again, average age 16.3, if not biological, it's their mature state in life.

But in the context of AWAM it's different, because you start with a conservative prudish housewife, and your objective is to corrupt her (it has other options but they are severely lacking content, I tried). So it's not a story about her sexual journey, it's about her corruption journey. Everything is about sex, except sex that is about power. People want to gain power over her through sex, and she looses power as she gives sex easier every act. Btw, that is another simp/incel tell from writters, as they empower a woman for giving free sex to characters (watching my wife for example they are clearly simping for her at least on the cheating part).

AVNs that understand sex is not the end game but the journey, giving the proper focus to the journey are hard to find in this genre, where everything is about recreating a brazzers scene with cheap graphics (and they are doing the same scenerios with the same bullet characters again and again).

That is why AWAM was special, it started as the leader, and it used to be different. It was AVNs hard mode, corrupting Sophia was hard and slow, everything was delayed gratification, it was special. Not anymore, Sophia is a confirmed fraud now, she is the average slut, playing the prude mommy, about to have a predictable burst of lust to recreate the exact same clichés. Nah, from special to average shit. I just want to fuck her hard, not sexually. I just want to drive her to the worse alleys, abuse her, and enjoy her downfall haha. She is a fraud now. She lied to us, she is not that prudish conservative, she was just conveniently posing.

I agree with you Sex is just a journey that accompanies you throughout life. And that most developers don't know how to continue telling their story after the protogonists have had sex. I still have hope that some routes here are better.
But I have no idea what you expect from a VN that gives you the choice to set the path for the MC. They say Sophia is now just a scammer who deserved social downfall. But you are already aware that Sophia is only an avatar, it is yours!
If you don't just make decisions with your pleasure center, then your avatar won't match either.

 

[tofhdns]

I agree with you Sey is just a journey that accompanies you throughout life. And that most developers don't know how to continue telling their story after the protogonists have had sex. I still have hope that some routes here are better.
But I have no idea what you expect from a VN that gives you the choice to set the path for the MC. They say Sophia is now a cheater who deserved demise. But you are already aware that Sophia is only an avatar, namely yours!
If you don't just make decisions with your pleasure center, then your avatar won't match either.

It's because of Sofia's flashback to call her cheater.

The flashback was made by LP.

Also, as Luxu_Esp said, Good wife route is so poor.

And it doesn't make sense to accuse people who come to see porn of not choosing the Good Wife path.

 

[tofhdns]

And a few days ago, I saw someone who was swearing about sex in this forum but praising about sex in another game forum.

Don't do that.

 

[Brazzoth]

I can't agree with this sentence.

Rather, AWAM was like a children's prank.

LP placed sex at the end and that means LP has a fantasy about sex or believes that sex is at the end of every relationship.

So I suspected LP had no sex experience or no dating experience.

He established their relationship by directing Dylan and Ellie's bickering in the car, but later Ellie suddenly tolerated Dylan's pervert gaze.

He had Dylan look at Sofia's breast in the dressing room, but she hid it again in the bikini scene and revealed it again in the bathtub scene.

Sofia allowed Dylan to see her as a woman in the car, but she had amnesia and came out of the bathtub and repeated it again.

LP is as young as his age and no more experienced than his age.

There's so much he doesn't know.

1. He started developping the game around four teen and is now in his late teen years

2. He's not a he

But yeah, putting romance and made them make out before every potential sex partner is not the real world but the game is not it anyway.

 

[tofhdns]

1. He started developping the game around four teen and is now in his late teen years

2. He's not a he

But yeah, putting romance and made them make out before every potential sex partner is not the real world but the game is not it anyway.

 

[Orimal]

I very much agree with you guys that LP's most fatal problem is that he is afraid to let players see real sex, and he thinks his game may fall into mediocrity and boredom after sex, which is the problem with most AVNs. So he's trying to find ways to delay the game.
Even though each incident is different, the core NSWF content has been going on for more than 2 years in the exposed chest. He should have let the boys touch her body and caress each other long ago. So far she hasn't touched a dick other than her husband's at all, but what the latest update shows is that she has moral issues that create a huge cut from her previous image, yet she has not had formal interactive sexual encounters with the characters in the story.

 

[Brazzoth]

I very much agree with you guys that LP's most fatal problem is that he is afraid to let players see real sex, and he thinks his game may fall into mediocrity and boredom after sex, which is the problem with most AVNs. So he's trying to find ways to delay the game.
Even though each incident is different, the core NSWF content has been going on for more than 2 years in the exposed chest. He should have let the boys touch her body and caress each other long ago. So far she hasn't touched a dick other than her husband's at all, but what the latest update shows is that she has moral issues that create a huge cut from her previous image, yet she has not had formal interactive sexual encounters with the characters in the story.

We all know that, but games that tend to fall into mediocrity are games that pull the easy sex card like in every 10 renders you got a sex scene which make it pointless.

There's a soft spot, the problem is that he should do that one update = one day instead of having a day that feel like one year
second he should forward with some character and not sticking to teasing with titties and also be coherent because she almost or kinda gave a HJ to Ava's wards to put it that way, for educational reason which is completely dumb even like since when taped nipple is not considered topless lol

That's what should be fixed, we should already have seen handjob or blowjob already but instead it's the same stuff on repeat...

 

[Orimal]

We all know that, but games that tend to fall into mediocrity are games that pull the easy sex card like in every 10 renders you got a sex scene which make it pointless.

There's a soft spot, the problem is that he should do that one update = one day instead of having a day that feel like one year
second he should forward with some character and not sticking to teasing with titties and also be coherent because she almost or kinda gave a HJ to Ava's wards to put it that way, for educational reason which is completely dumb even like since when taped nipple is not considered topless lol

That's what should be fixed, we should already have seen handjob or blowjob already but instead it's the same stuff on repeat...

Those that handle it better are ORS, GGGB and BADIK in my opinion

 

[DIRTY FILTHY Animal]

We all know that, but games that tend to fall into mediocrity are games that pull the easy sex card like in every 10 renders you got a sex scene which make it pointless.

There's a soft spot, the problem is that he should do that one update = one day instead of having a day that feel like one year
second he should forward with some character and not sticking to teasing with titties and also be coherent because she almost or kinda gave a HJ to Ava's wards to put it that way, for educational reason which is completely dumb even like since when taped nipple is not considered topless lol

That's what should be fixed, we should already have seen handjob or blowjob already but instead it's the same stuff on repeat...

I know he acts like if we see Sophia having sex without hubby, it’s the end of the fucking game. he also forgets not everybody would even see her sex scene if they are on good wife path. He can still make it optional on the filthy wife path to let her have sex or don’t. It’s always up to the player since we control her choices anyway. This is why the fan art page was started so we can see all our Sophia fantasies come to life now and not have to wait 10-15 more years.

 

[Radoslaw Wolf]

Congrats to Dev..did a great job this time..keep up with it..

If he only had done it in a timely manner...

 

[tofhdns]

I'm not in the drivers seat anymore, I'm a passenger.

 

[hzjujk]

In theory, if all lines were broad enough, and all lines got enough content, without "black swans" comming out of nowhere, then I might experience the MC as my personal avatar, and feel like decisions are personal, and enjoy how the environment reacts to it.

In reality, only a few lines are really developed, many of the decisions I would take are not even an option, and sometimes the option I would take given the ones presented to me would be "none of those".

As you experience those feelings and see that the only ones that gives "points" and "tags" your character are not your options, you start to break that avatar experience, you start to experience the MC as a separate character and you see the story as an expectator and not the driver of it.

It's been a long time since I felt Sophia was my avatar, I dont feel like that anymore. She is just a projected fantasy of the writter, not mine. I'm not in the drivers seat anymore, I'm a passenger.

I have:
- disallowed the rape of Aiden's girlfriend,
- didn't stay at the meeting point of von Aiden's gang,
- don't understand the plot of Sophia in the presence of Sam and finished the route
- will not play Dylan's cuck route
- ...
My choices, my avatar.
Actually, you should always be a passenger, but that's how a game works that plays with our sexual expectations and emotions. If you're just a passenger now, you've already let history get too close to you.

 

[moovigym]

So..
What will Sofia and Dylan do in the next part?
HJ ? BJ?

 

[TomUK]

So..
What will Sofia and Dylan do in the next part?
HJ ? BJ?

I'm guessing anything that patreon doesn't consider to be incest or underage sex (in the case of the 3 brothers sex ed job).

 

[ReShadowDancer]

I’m checking this game after quite a while, has the Dev added sex scenes for FMC or does she still not have them?

Lol, if I’m not wrong the game is in development since like almost 6 years, if people say that FMC still hasn’t had sex with others then rofl.

Project Myriam is the best XDD

 

[tofhdns]

I’m checking this game after quite a while, has the Dev added sex scenes for FMC or does she still not have them?

Lol, if I’m not wrong the game is in development since like almost 6 years, if people say that FMC still hasn’t had sex with others then rofl.

Project Myriam is the best XDD

There is still no sex.

 

[tofhdns]

In theory, if all lines were broad enough, and all lines got enough content, without "black swans" comming out of nowhere, then I might experience the MC as my personal avatar, and feel like decisions are personal, and enjoy how the environment reacts to it.

In reality, only a few lines are really developed, many of the decisions I would take are not even an option, and sometimes the option I would take given the ones presented to me would be "none of those".

As you experience those feelings and see that the only ones that gives "points" and "tags" your character are not your options, you start to break that avatar experience, you start to experience the MC as a separate character and you see the story as an expectator and not the driver of it.

It's been a long time since I felt Sophia was my avatar, I dont feel like that anymore. She is just a projected fantasy of the writter, not mine. I'm not in the drivers seat anymore, I'm a passenger.

I have:
- disallowed the rape of Aiden's girlfriend,
- didn't stay at the meeting point of von Aiden's gang,
- don't understand the plot of Sophia in the presence of Sam and finished the route
- will not play Dylan's cuck route
- ...
My choices, my avatar.
Actually, you should always be a passenger, but that's how a game works that plays with our sexual expectations and emotions. If you're just a passenger now, you've already let history get too close to you.

I understood Luxu_Esp as saying that there is not enough content and that sometimes he is forced to make choices in the game or that there is nothing to choose from, and that now he is becoming a bystander, not a player.

On the other hand, hzjujk seems to be playing incest route and lesbian route and telling Luxu_Esp that he is exposing himself to too many situations.

Am I wrong or is the conversation weird?

 

[Scopioking]

So..
What will Sofia and Dylan do in the next part?
HJ ? BJ?

Maybe nothing.