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In anticitation of the inevitable wrath and exodus of the patrons at some point?
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Ok, you're injecting your opinion here, which is irrelevant based on how the author describes his nove/game and writes in that format. Again, It doesn't matter if you think it's fiction or realistic. He's basing the writing of this story on how he perceives world events take place. That is the foundation of his writing, why he is under the mindset that his story is "realistic," and why he describes it that way.
There have been members here that challenge his writing style, only to have him explain what he is writing is "realistic." Have you ever spoken or written to him and challenged his writing or asked him questions about why certain things happen that don't have any logic to them?
Why do you think I don't like the incest kink with Sophia/Dylan??? You need to go back and read some of my past comments from 2018 before you make that comment.
To give you a short version of Sophia/Dylan's story arc. Sophia never displays any physical attraction towards Dylan until this evening part one event. Everything else was designed for one thing, "SEX-ED," which she even displayed in the bathroom with Dylan. He jammed a build-up event in part 1 when he should have played the build-up out over multiple PDs instead of just one event. Whereas you can see and read a chronological build-up of Ellie and Sam's arc with Sophia.
Again, regardless of whether it makes no sense or does make sense, it's irrelevant based on my first comment above.
There are a couple of arcs I'm interested in, which are Dylan, Ellie, and Patricia, but I do play the story unchained to help me understand how the author writes his story. And right now, Sophia/Dylan's story has issues that should have been addressed when he removed "The Twist" a couple of years ago but chose to keep most of it intact.Ultimately, we can only hope that Sophia's progress, especially with Dylan and Ellie, continues. At least those are the stories I'm most interested in by far. Also, I find it positive that slowly events can be seen, in which the possibility exists that something more happens. Another dialogue in which I confirm to Sophia that it is completely ok for her to show her breasts, I can no longer handle. I have confirmed this so many times now, not only to Dylan and Ellie, that Sophia would have to think it's normal to run around topless all day long.
Currently, I see Dylan/Ellie's arc has a better build-up than Dylan/Sophia's.
That is twisted logic. If someone says something obviously wrong, it does not become more correct if his statement is made about something he himself has made or created. L&P may have tried to create something real world realistic, but he did not achieved it. This is the crucial point and something that L&P cannot evaluate better than, for example, a player.
Whoever comes along and pretends that it makes sense to measure a porn game against the real world, will only make the same mistake as L&P and will achieve nothing. The only important thing is if a porn game follows the rules established in the game itself. This is what makes a coherent story and I think this is the highest level of realism a porn game can strive for.
No, and I don't intend to. I see in L&P someone who has an eye for good renderings and can write a story that is a good deal above the garbage that is normaly seen here. At the same time, I think he overestimates himself. Other than that, I don't care about what L&P thinks. I think the game is good, I don't care about the rest.
Well, then I may have made a mistake. But I'm not completely convinced, because I notice how much you highlight Dylan, even though his story is just as real world unrealistic as Ellie's, for example.Why do you think I don't like the incest kink with Sophia/Dylan??? You need to go back and read some of my past comments from 2018 before you make that comment.
To give you a short version of Sophia/Dylan's story arc. Sophia never displays any physical attraction towards Dylan until this evening part one event. Everything else was designed for one thing, "SEX-ED," which she even displayed in the bathroom with Dylan. He jammed a build-up event in part 1 when he should have played the build-up out over multiple PDs instead of just one event. Whereas you can see and read a chronological build-up of Ellie and Sam's arc with Sophia.
Also, Don't forget the event in the park, when Dylan stands protectively in front of Sophia and fight one of the guys. In the porn game world, this is more than equivalent to a Sam who can just play good music.
No, In relation to a discussion that we both have, only what we both think is relevant. Especially since I don't have a high opinion of L&P. L&P can decide how he creates his game, but not what others think about his game. As I said, I think you are making a logical mistake in this point.
I look forward to more events between Dylan and Ellie. Ultimately, I like stories with lots of entanglements, and I see even greater potential here as in the story between Dylan/Sophia or Ellie/Sophia. However, i also think the Dylan story has a lot of potential in the voyeur path. I don't see a particular issue in Dylan's story. What do you mean exactly?
Safe to say, this ain't happening ever. LP adores Sophia so much that he will die a thousand deaths before including something like this in the game. This dream will remain a dreamHope one day dream came true
Dylan and sam
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. If this ever happens I will consider it the greatest miracle in human history
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That is not twisted logic because your opinion will not change how he thinks about how he is writing his story or describing it. You can disagree with it, but again it doesn't change the fact that he believes he is writing something in terms of "realistic" and is sharing as a "realistic" AV.
Your opinion is altering the foundation of how he describes his AV so you can enjoy it as a Porn Game.
This is why I send him questions about certain things in the game that I question are realistic because although my opinion is the "realistic" train left the station long ago, I would like to know how he came to believe that what he wrote is realistic.
Again an opinion; you won't understand the mindset he used to write his story and why he uses the choice of words like "realistic" to describe his story. As I said in another post, readers who read his about page will use that as a foundation of what to expect in the story.
However, if you don't ask or question him about it, that is your choice.
Did you read my comment about Dylan and Ellie? It wasn't about realism. It was about a chronological sequence of events to allow the reader to understand how the character went from point A to point B. Sophia/Ellie's and Sophia/Sam's arcs clearly show a path of attraction with them and why it leads to where it is now in their arc. However, with Dylan, this is no sequence. I used this pattern in past postings to explain how their story is being told.Well, then I may have made a mistake. But I'm not completely convinced, because I notice how much you highlight Dylan, even though his story is just as real world unrealistic as Ellie's, for example.
Also, Don't forget the event in the park, when Dylan stands protectively in front of Sophia and fight one of the guys. In the porn game world, this is more than equivalent to a Sam who can just play good music.
Sophia/Ellie - 1.2.3.4.5.6.7.6
Sophia/Sam - 1.2.3.4.5.6.7.6
Sophia/Dylan - 1.2.1.2.1.2.1.2.5.1..... 5 = PD 13 Event 1
I have to disagree with your assessment here. My logic is on point; I'm just not allowing my opinion to alter it. This is why I question his writing and have him explain to me why he wrote it in the manner he did, so it comes from him directly, which helps me understand how he writes.
The story will grow, but how much sense will it make when it grows with Sophia/Dylan? I only see major plot holes forming or getting larger. I believe this is the remnants of "The Twist" that he removed, and now he's trying to write a story that fits the new narrative. He changed the dynamics of Dylan's character, as it was believed at the time of The Twist, from an antagonist to something else not to upset the Sophia/Dylan fans.
I think I understand now what you mean by the twist. Is it that Dylan was once supposed to have worked together with Aiden? If so, then I must say that I also found this idea better. This is mainly because I like interwoven stories and Aiden comes across too unbelievable in the current version. If he had worked with Dylan, then it would have been possible to make the story more plausible, I think. Just Aiden alone, is a too weak character and Sophia drawn to smart by L&P to fall for his game. Without Dylan, if Aiden wanted to succeed with his approach, he'd need a way more serious aura. But there is nothing of that to be seen. Here I somehow miss the explanation for why Sophia just gives in.
In the current version of the Dylan story, however, I see no problem with this adjustment. Dylan's idea to ask Sophia for some exercises fits perfectly. Sophia is a teacher and he obviously needs tutoring. Perfect fit.
If this means some fun for her too, even better. This results in a coherent storyline from the beginning, even if it is of course completely bogus from a real-world perspective. Furthermore, one has to consider that Dylan protected her in the park. As I said, normaly, in a porn game, that carries a lot of weight. As I said, I don't expect AWAM's story to work in the real world. Exaggerated realism is something that, in my view, has no place in a porn game. The important thing is that the story is interesting and that something happens at some point.Sophia look like Bollywood actress
When again we gets to see sophia in gym or beach as it's is a reality based games were the protagonist do all the daily chores and so on like an holiday trip or Weeknd fun or the park event?
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Ok slow dev week on progress. Someone said probably working on a new setting. (Or on vaca)
So what will be the new setting that is taking a week to set up? Not the bedroom, shower, jacuzzi, nite club. Those are done.
So a new location?
So what will be the new setting that is taking a week to set up? Not the bedroom, shower, jacuzzi, nite club. Those are done.
So a new location?
Given the sudden slowdown in development, he *might* be at the point where the animation was planned, as he mentioned that the scene was technically difficult. So it could still be difficult even for "normal" rendering.
If we assume that the animation was related to the topical moment of the event, there are two possibilities: either they are still in the nightclub, or they have moved elsewhere.
If they are still in the nightclub, the "difficulties" could indeed be related to the many characters in the scene, the lights and so on. This also presupposes that something is happening in "public", either on the dance floor (some groping?) or in a more covered place (back on the 2nd floor or something like that). If it was the bathroom, for example, then the difficulties might be related to other things, posing or moving the characters in a confined space.
If they have left the nightclub, we can only assume that they are back at home and that the event will take place in the hot tub or pool, as it has been hinted at. We don't know how many more teasers he's going to drop before the end, but unless the next one is called "Having too much fun" that might shed some light on the matter. Let's assume for the moment that it's a hot tub.
If we look at some of the clues in part 1, we could have some skinny dipping in this one: Dylan said a couple of times that there should be no problem with bathing naked,
and he even acted on it by taking off his swimsuit.
***IF*** that is a hint for part 2, what/how could happen?
I see two possibilities here, one more "conservative" and one a bit bolder. In the conservative one, once home after all the fun dancing and whatnot (and possibly with a bit of alcohol), they can decide for a round 2 of a relaxing moment in the hot-tub and they go changing into their swimming suite and meet at the hot-tub. From there to get Sophia at least partially naked it would require (again) Dylan working his way up to convince Sophia to remove something as it happened in part 1. It would be easier for Sophia to give up this time because of the usual "well, what the heck, he already see them" (and, possibly with the help of the alcohol).
A "bolder" approach would be to skip the changing part. Dylan could suggest that they just go skinny dipping (as in completely naked) and then convince Sophia to go in her underwear (the classic
From there, things could escalate in either case, and they could both end up naked in the hot tub. The big problem with the naked part is that Sophia would be reluctant to get even partially naked outdoors because of the neighbours (and a certain peeping Tom ) or someone from the house coming out into the garden etc. So it will take some plausible excuse and reassurance to convince her.
As for the animation issue, a ***guess*** could be the water effect, which is not that trivial to produce, especially if there are bigger or deeper movements than the animation in part 1. But I'm no expert, so I'll leave it to those who know better.
So let's jump to the end (I know, I know, I'm kind of yada-yada-ing the good part ): how does it end? Will there be a "release" for one of them and then they both go back inside, or will we get the usual and inevitable interruption for the n-th time? If so, who will have the privilege this time?
This is just pure speculation, let's see if we get a clearer idea of the event as more teasers are released.
If we assume that the animation was related to the topical moment of the event, there are two possibilities: either they are still in the nightclub, or they have moved elsewhere.
If they are still in the nightclub, the "difficulties" could indeed be related to the many characters in the scene, the lights and so on. This also presupposes that something is happening in "public", either on the dance floor (some groping?) or in a more covered place (back on the 2nd floor or something like that). If it was the bathroom, for example, then the difficulties might be related to other things, posing or moving the characters in a confined space.
If they have left the nightclub, we can only assume that they are back at home and that the event will take place in the hot tub or pool, as it has been hinted at. We don't know how many more teasers he's going to drop before the end, but unless the next one is called "Having too much fun"
that might shed some light on the matter. Let's assume for the moment that it's a hot tub.If we look at some of the clues in part 1, we could have some skinny dipping in this one: Dylan said a couple of times that there should be no problem with bathing naked,
and he even acted on it by taking off his swimsuit.
***IF*** that is a hint for part 2, what/how could happen?
I see two possibilities here, one more "conservative" and one a bit bolder. In the conservative one, once home after all the fun dancing and whatnot (and possibly with a bit of alcohol), they can decide for a round 2 of a relaxing moment in the hot-tub and they go changing into their swimming suite and meet at the hot-tub. From there to get Sophia at least partially naked it would require (again) Dylan working his way up to convince Sophia to remove something as it happened in part 1. It would be easier for Sophia to give up this time because of the usual "well, what the heck, he already see them" (and, possibly with the help of the alcohol).
A "bolder" approach would be to skip the changing part. Dylan could suggest that they just go skinny dipping (as in completely naked) and then convince Sophia to go in her underwear (the classic
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). Sophia is only wearing panties (as far as we know), so she will take off her dress and go into the hot tub bare-breasted, again with the "after all, he has already seen them" and they could be partially covered by the water.From there, things could escalate in either case, and they could both end up naked in the hot tub. The big problem with the naked part is that Sophia would be reluctant to get even partially naked outdoors because of the neighbours (and a certain peeping Tom
) or someone from the house coming out into the garden etc. So it will take some plausible excuse and reassurance to convince her.As for the animation issue, a ***guess*** could be the water effect, which is not that trivial to produce, especially if there are bigger or deeper movements than the animation in part 1. But I'm no expert, so I'll leave it to those who know better.
So let's jump to the end (I know, I know, I'm kind of yada-yada-ing the good part
): how does it end? Will there be a "release" for one of them and then they both go back inside, or will we get the usual and inevitable interruption for the n-th time? If so, who will have the privilege this time?- Liam sleeps like a log in the bedroom and has to get up early in the morning. He could randomly wake up, see Sophia missing and go looking for her or call her on the phone. Obviously the phone will provide another perfect opportunity for another "taking advantage" moment with Dylan exploiting of the situation while Sophia is on the phone (similar to what happened in part 1 or with the apostles during the phone call with the boss).
- Ellie is another candidate, although we don't know her whereabouts for the evening: we don't know if she's still at Christine's in this alternate storyline, or if she's still in her room from part 1. Either way, she could be the one to interrupt, whether on her way home or just wandering around the house. At this point it remains to be seen whether there will be some sort of rehash of the Sam's hot tub incident, with one of the two lovebirds trying to hide from her while the other tries to buy some time and distract her, or whether they will have to hastily compose themselves and get dressed.
- And what about... Sam? He could, for example, come home in his car, hear some noises in the neighbour's garden and try to call either Dylan or Sophia. Having him watch the whole scene from his tree house would add too much drama and complexity to the story. The scenario can be similar to Ellie's, either one of them talks to him while the other takes cover, or they both manage to compose themselves before it's too late. Of course, having Sophia talk to Sam while Dylan takes cover and listens could be problematic if Sam is having a sweet talk with Sophia.
This is just pure speculation, let's see if we get a clearer idea of the event as more teasers are released.
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Might Ellie be wandering around the house looking for Sophia since it's now two days since they shared a shower? Whilst some have mentioned that Ellie might be the one to interrupt them, it didn't occur to me until now that this might be the reason.Given the sudden slowdown in development, he *might* be at the point where the animation was planned, as he mentioned that the scene was technically difficult. So it could still be difficult even for "normal" rendering.
If we assume that the animation was related to the topical moment of the event, there are two possibilities: either they are still in the nightclub, or they have moved elsewhere.
If they are still in the nightclub, the "difficulties" could indeed be related to the many characters in the scene, the lights and so on. This also presupposes that something is happening in "public", either on the dance floor (some groping?) or in a more covered place (back on the 2nd floor or something like that). If it was the bathroom, for example, then the difficulties might be related to other things, posing or moving the characters in a confined space.
If they have left the nightclub, we can only assume that they are back at home and that the event will take place in the hot tub or pool, as it has been hinted at. We don't know how many more teasers he's going to drop before the end, but unless the next one is called "Having too much fun"
If we look at some of the clues in part 1, we could have some skinny dipping in this one: Dylan said a couple of times that there should be no problem with bathing naked,
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and he even acted on it by taking off his swimsuit.
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***IF*** that is a hint for part 2, what/how could happen?
I see two possibilities here, one more "conservative" and one a bit bolder. In the conservative one, once home after all the fun dancing and whatnot (and possibly with a bit of alcohol), they can decide for a round 2 of a relaxing moment in the hot-tub and they go changing into their swimming suite and meet at the hot-tub. From there to get Sophia at least partially naked it would require (again) Dylan working his way up to convince Sophia to remove something as it happened in part 1. It would be easier for Sophia to give up this time because of the usual "well, what the heck, he already see them" (and, possibly with the help of the alcohol).
A "bolder" approach would be to skip the changing part. Dylan could suggest that they just go skinny dipping (as in completely naked) and then convince Sophia to go in her underwear (the classicYou must be registered to see the links). Sophia is only wearing panties (as far as we know), so she will take off her dress and go into the hot tub bare-breasted, again with the "after all, he can see them already" and they could be partially covered by the water.
From there, things could escalate in either case, and they could both end up naked in the hot tub. The big problem with the naked part is that Sophia would be reluctant to get even partially naked outdoors because of the neighbours (and a certain peeping Tom
As for the animation issue, a ***guess*** could be the water effect, which is not that trivial to produce, especially if there are bigger or deeper movements than the animation in part 1. But I'm no expert, so I'll leave it to those who know better.
So let's jump to the end (I know, I know, I'm kind of yada-yada-ing the good part
- Liam sleeps like a log in the bedroom and has to get up early in the morning. He could randomly wake up, see Sophia missing and go looking for her or call her on the phone. Obviously the phone will provide another perfect opportunity for another "behind the door" moment with Dylan taking advantage of the situation while Sophia is on the phone (similar to what happened in part 1).
- Ellie is another candidate, although we don't know her whereabouts for the evening: we don't know if she's still at Christine's in this alternate storyline, or if she's still in her room from part 1. Either way, she could be the one to interrupt, whether on her way home or just wandering around the house. At this point it remains to be seen whether there will be some sort of rehash of the Sam's hot tub incident, with one of the two lovebirds trying to hide from her while the other tries to buy some time and distract her, or whether they will have to hastily compose themselves and get dressed.
- And what about... Sam? He could, for example, come home in his car, hear some noises in the neighbour's garden and try to call either Dylan or Sophia. Having him watch the whole scene from his tree house would add too much drama and complexity to the story. The scenario can be similar to Ellie's, either one of them talks to him while the other takes cover, or they both manage to compose themselves before it's too late. Of course, having Sophia talk to Sam while Dylan takes cover and listens could be problematic if Sam is having a sweet talk with Sophia.
This is just pure speculation, let's see if we get a clearer idea of the event as more teasers are released.
I guess I am just too cynical. I think the "slow down" is to push the release date past the Patreon auto re-bill on August 1st.
Regarding the animation I don't think L&P will do the initially intended animation as he decided to announce that he won't do it when the progress is already around 20-30% I think, which will make it delay a lot considering that he said it is too complicated. If he did start to make an animation to pacify the Dylan fans then it would probably be something simple like shaking breasts as in Dylan part1 or something similar but a little better than that but I really don't think he will start the animation after deciding not to do it.Given the sudden slowdown in development, he *might* be at the point where the animation was planned, as he mentioned that the scene was technically difficult. So it could still be difficult even for "normal" rendering.
If we assume that the animation was related to the topical moment of the event, there are two possibilities: either they are still in the nightclub, or they have moved elsewhere.
If they are still in the nightclub, the "difficulties" could indeed be related to the many characters in the scene, the lights and so on. This also presupposes that something is happening in "public", either on the dance floor (some groping?) or in a more covered place (back on the 2nd floor or something like that). If it was the bathroom, for example, then the difficulties might be related to other things, posing or moving the characters in a confined space.
If they have left the nightclub, we can only assume that they are back at home and that the event will take place in the hot tub or pool, as it has been hinted at. We don't know how many more teasers he's going to drop before the end, but unless the next one is called "Having too much fun"
If we look at some of the clues in part 1, we could have some skinny dipping in this one: Dylan said a couple of times that there should be no problem with bathing naked,
View attachment 2752360 View attachment 2752368
and he even acted on it by taking off his swimsuit.
View attachment 2752362
***IF*** that is a hint for part 2, what/how could happen?
I see two possibilities here, one more "conservative" and one a bit bolder. In the conservative one, once home after all the fun dancing and whatnot (and possibly with a bit of alcohol), they can decide for a round 2 of a relaxing moment in the hot-tub and they go changing into their swimming suite and meet at the hot-tub. From there to get Sophia at least partially naked it would require (again) Dylan working his way up to convince Sophia to remove something as it happened in part 1. It would be easier for Sophia to give up this time because of the usual "well, what the heck, he already see them" (and, possibly with the help of the alcohol).
A "bolder" approach would be to skip the changing part. Dylan could suggest that they just go skinny dipping (as in completely naked) and then convince Sophia to go in her underwear (the classicYou must be registered to see the links). Sophia is only wearing panties (as far as we know), so she will take off her dress and go into the hot tub bare-breasted, again with the "after all, he can see them already" and they could be partially covered by the water.
From there, things could escalate in either case, and they could both end up naked in the hot tub. The big problem with the naked part is that Sophia would be reluctant to get even partially naked outdoors because of the neighbours (and a certain peeping Tom
As for the animation issue, a ***guess*** could be the water effect, which is not that trivial to produce, especially if there are bigger or deeper movements than the animation in part 1. But I'm no expert, so I'll leave it to those who know better.
So let's jump to the end (I know, I know, I'm kind of yada-yada-ing the good part
- Liam sleeps like a log in the bedroom and has to get up early in the morning. He could randomly wake up, see Sophia missing and go looking for her or call her on the phone. Obviously the phone will provide another perfect opportunity for another "behind the door" moment with Dylan taking advantage of the situation while Sophia is on the phone (similar to what happened in part 1).
- Ellie is another candidate, although we don't know her whereabouts for the evening: we don't know if she's still at Christine's in this alternate storyline, or if she's still in her room from part 1. Either way, she could be the one to interrupt, whether on her way home or just wandering around the house. At this point it remains to be seen whether there will be some sort of rehash of the Sam's hot tub incident, with one of the two lovebirds trying to hide from her while the other tries to buy some time and distract her, or whether they will have to hastily compose themselves and get dressed.
- And what about... Sam? He could, for example, come home in his car, hear some noises in the neighbour's garden and try to call either Dylan or Sophia. Having him watch the whole scene from his tree house would add too much drama and complexity to the story. The scenario can be similar to Ellie's, either one of them talks to him while the other takes cover, or they both manage to compose themselves before it's too late. Of course, having Sophia talk to Sam while Dylan takes cover and listens could be problematic if Sam is having a sweet talk with Sophia.
This is just pure speculation, let's see if we get a clearer idea of the event as more teasers are released.
A fun idea on how they can be interrupted by ellie but this time Dylan will be above and Sophia goes underwater from her previous experience and Dylan will probably send ellie away saying he was naked but again it will be something like a reuse of Sam event which I hope L&p doesn't do otherwise the whole evening will be just a rehashed events which it almost is considering the bath tub and club.
This is just my guess even if progress starts now with his regular pace it will be finished by 2nd or 3rd week August, if this delay is due to animation it may finish even later.
He dropped the animation, I was just speculating whether he might be "stuck" with the scene creation and rendering at the same point of the event where the animation was supposed to take place. There might be still technical difficulties even for just creating static rendering because e.g. the scene is complex, the posing complicated etc. Just speculation.
Yes I was also thinking something like Sam with reversed roles. I don't know Sophia apnea skills, but it could also happen outside the hot-tub: imagine they were coming out of the hot-tub both completely naked, Ellie starts calling for Dylan, so they both take cover behind the hot-tub wall and Sophia has to duck close to Dylan while he talks with Ellie and try to get her away from there (as you said telling he is naked etc). A situation that could have some potential...