VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.201] [Lust & Passion]

[Alley_Cat]

Ah yes, Aiden, and his 'powerful uncle' that was, what was it again? A lawyer, iirc?

Oh shit, let's turn a blind eye to the petty criminal in class, because just like no one else knows how to fight, apparently no one else knows another lawyer.

Silly porn logic, as always, but the uncle part in particular sounded like the big bad a child would come up with.

Playing the boarding school route, when Sophia mentions the lawyer uncle, Carl's reaction is pretty much just "Pfft, I know him, don't worry about it"

Carl probably has a few lawyers on retainer of Richard Murphy's calibre.

Maybe you forgot or didn't know, but all of Aiden's assignments are based on a plot twist where Dylan asked Aiden to make his mother dress sexier. What he confesses to her when she takes him to boarding school. This twist has been removed, but the idea of the script was originally just that. It's not in the script for Dylan to meet Aiden's guys in town.

But it should be in the script at some point, if Aiden's threat is to have any meaning. That it's not is essentially my point.

 

[shepardcommander]

This V0.190 update has broken expectations for a large part and perhaps the developer knows this. The game takes almost 6 years and has a lot of history, I still followed the last two updates and I'm part of those who don't have a bag, I'm looking for other games. Excellent image and character quality, story progress very slow due to the update interval. I believe he has a lot more ready and is in reserve, droplet strategy and reaping the maximum fruit, in this niche the guy doesn't care about reputation, even the worse, the better.
Steam has become just a fetish for yet another platform to raise money, a herd effect from these developers. They are also amateurs considering that when launching a game they can openly ask X number of investors not to abandon the project, they are doing media and passing saucers as a beggar, shame.
I put my opinion and visit here to have fun with the despair of digital addicts, be careful you need treatment, this kills.

I am sure the developer knows about the slow development, the questions are about his intentions, does he take steps to increase the development speed (hire some people, get better hardware to increase render speed etc.) or if he simply decides to continue like this and let AWAM be his job for the next decade (or 2 decades)

Seeing how ICSTOR still has 6K patrons, I have confidence that many if not most will continue to keep paying and "supporting" him.

I think the better route is make a small team, invest in some infra and work to make L&P a brand itself rather than just AWAM.

Seeing how Phillygames had been doing 50-80 renders (and some animations as well) every week, while having the similar number of patrons, its not wrong for paying patrons to expect more - a lot more.

 

[despaireducer]

I like the update. First time someone’s sperm touched Sophia’s body other than Liam. But i dont like the update cycle.. one scene for every six months? What if a update contains the scene of Fabric Inspection? Should we wait 6 months for such scene? Not worth the wait..

Atleast Lust for Patreon is making progress.. very slow.. but still going unlike some Stopped Art..

 

[palmtrees89]

Well once it's finished, it can be polished up and he can probably sell it on Steam as a full game.

That is if Steam is still a thing in 50 years.

 

[Bibifoc]

Something is off. I had to go back to saves from 0.180 and make sure I warned Sophia at the hair salon, for this choice was not carried over. Also, other paths seem to have not received even a single image in this update. I hope those saves will work in the future...

The "warning" isn't required anymore to get the 2 final Dylan scenes.

 

[PaxHadrian17]

i think a poll should be done for that too
not many will be interested in dylan chritine route or even dylan marie

I'm going to disagree with you on that.

I am enjoying almost all the routes and, for those who are not here for Sophia incest with Dylan, the Dylan/Marie Dylan/Ellie and/or Dylan/Christine encounters are of interest.

The issue for the last few years has come down to slow development time.

If L&P gave us two PD's/year, we would still not reach PD 30 complete before the RL year 2030, but everyone could see content they were looking forward to 'coming soon'.

The slow development time (which does not even include the time L&P will take working on a Steam release or other activities that further slow the development of AWAM) means we are not looking at PD 30 complete until some year > 2050.

Cheers!

 

[Bibifoc]

This is Ren'Py we are talking about. If you are so great at programming, you would know that it isn't the same checking a tiny Ren'py update compared to an actual game with actual gameplay
Ren'py is after all (among other things) famous for people without ANY programming experience being able to simply start to create a visual novel.
Yes, AWAM is a complicated VN, for the many routes that need to be factored in, but the dev keeps it completely manageable by the tiny incremental updates. He basically adds one or two scenes on a specific route per update, that doesn't take so long to check.

And please don't trot out that stupid, inane line of "make your own game, instead of complaining," it just makes everything seem so ridiculous whenever people bring that up.
You don't need to make your own thing, to criticize a thing, by that logic no one could criticize anything he hasn't done before, it's moronic, it's like the absolute straw man argumentation, since there is literally NO connection to the matter at hand, it's just a stupid standard defence whenever criticism comes up that a person doesn't like.
I don't have a problem with the dev, I don't pay him and there are many other games to play, so I just wait until I get content in my route, even though it takes eons, but there are totally valid criticisms for the way he works and the amount of work he does in such a lengthy amount of time, so just grow up, please. You can like something and still accept that there is a problem with it.

Despite the harsh tone, I agree with him. He didn't say "make your own game, instead of complaining", he said "make your own game and see how much time it really takes".

That's exactly what I said before the update. It's totally normal to think it shouldn't take much time. Like you said, Renpy is very accessible. But in reality, everything always takes a lot of time when you crawl through the code. And it seems you can only really feel it by experiencing it.

For the sake of science, I measured the time I spent on this update. It took me around 7 hours, and some time more after the release. And during this time, I didn't even have time to carefully read the dialogs... It takes time.

But maybe I'm the slowest guy in the world, and maybe those "couple hours" guys should apply to L&P

 

[Humbold56]

I feel like i say this every single release, i love the slow burn, i despise the release schedule. You cannot have one fucking scene done every four months (at the same pace it was before when the dev claimed it would be faster).

Agree, slow burn is rather beneficial in my opinion. But those short updates should come at least every 2month.

 

[Andyboi]

What will be nxt update? Can't wait for the next dylan event...

 

[PaxHadrian17]

AWAM v 0.190:

I thought it was a very good update:

Pro's:

Renders were well done, especially the jacuzzi scene with the water effects.

The script was consistent with a Sophia who was trying to justify intimate time with Dylan while doubting herself - along with the 'alcohol made it ok.'

There was unexpected adult honesty where Sophia confided in Dylan that she and Liam were rarely intimate and that he is not making the effort to remind her that she is important to him - This was one of the breakthroughs in intimacy between Sophia and Dylan.

This was the first time that Sophia took the initiative in physical intimacy - she gave Dylan a hj. (Yes - part of her reasoning was to prevent him from giving her an orgasm so that she could hide how sexual this had become for her, but Sophia was an active participant in her first sexual act not involving Liam).

The fact that Sophia told Dylan that he is bigger than his father will, hopefully, be used by L&P in future introspection when Sophia is thinking about her 'date' with Dylan.

Cons:

AWAM is no longer an immersive story - it is now, at best, a series of high-quality vignettes taken from the life of Sophia Parker and her family.

The back-to-back Sophia/Sam then Sophia/Dylan intimacy becomes less special since Sophia's actions make it seem like neither guy is truly special, and she just enjoys the attention of different males since Liam can't be bothered.

The slow development makes some story arcs feel dated and distant - like the Sophia/Ellie story arc (which will not see a planned update for several more years RL).

Finally - a quality update like this, and one of only 3 released this year, reminds me of both the early promise that AWAM held and how unlikely I am to ever see a completed AWAM.

 

[Andyboi]

Next series of events will be? Whats next?

 

[TomUK]

Next series of events will be? Whats next?

Christine's Party I'm guessing or nothing if Dylan misses the party to take mommy on a date.

 

[Galaktur]

There are two games: "Wife and Mother" and "Miriam". Frankly speaking, these games are absolutely identical in their structure, but they have gone in two radically different ways. Wife and mother is a more elaborate story without sex, well, almost. As a porn game, it is COMPLETELY a failure, and without it it is better to go play other games. The very highlight of the games with the corruption of the character is lost - what is interesting about turning a pervert into a whore or a whore into a pervert? Just don't say that Sofia is not like that)))) She's a complete whore from the very beginning of the game. 2 games - A smooth game with 100 years of waiting or a quick whore-sim. 2 stories - 2 whores. BUT, Miriam's story is a porn game. Sofia's story is about milking suckers. Sofia is a complete whore here, worse than those who in other games give everyone in 10 minutes. It is the sponsors of the suckers who are to blame for the fact that the game is not progressing.

 

[tofhdns]

I'm going to disagree with you on that.

I am enjoying almost all the routes and, for those who are not here for Sophia incest with Dylan, the Dylan/Marie Dylan/Ellie and/or Dylan/Christine encounters are of interest.

The issue for the last few years has come down to slow development time.

If L&P gave us two PD's/year, we would still not reach PD 30 complete before the RL year 2030, but everyone could see content they were looking forward to 'coming soon'.

The slow development time (which does not even include the time L&P will take working on a Steam release or other activities that further slow the development of AWAM) means we are not looking at PD 30 complete until some year > 2050.

Cheers!

Blue is the latest voting result and red is the cumulative voting result.

Emma, Christine, Marie, Claire and Cathy didn't get a single vote in the latest poll.

For reference, Emma held a vote on whether or not to proceed with the event, and the event was deleted according to the voting result.

Will Christine be any different?

 

[Alley_Cat]

What will be nxt update? Can't wait for the next dylan event...

Next series of events will be? Whats next?

It's the bonus storyline, so Dylan at Christine's party.

 

[botc76]

Despite the harsh tone, I agree with him. He didn't say "make your own game, instead of complaining", he said "make your own game and see how much time it really takes".

That's exactly what I said before the update. It's totally normal to think it shouldn't take much time. Like you said, Renpy is very accessible. But in reality, everything always takes a lot of time when you crawl through the code. And it seems you can only really feel it by experiencing it.

For the sake of science, I measured the time I spent on this update. It took me around 7 hours, and some time more after the release. And during this time, I didn't even have time to carefully read the dialogs... It takes time.

But maybe I'm the slowest guy in the world, and maybe those "couple hours" guys should apply to L&P

I mean, 7 hours are a couple of hours, wouldn't you say? At least compared to whole days.
And if I read the current argument correctly, it was something like they had 20% progress a day during the check for the release. Which certainly sounds like more than 7 hours.

The thing is, if you like the game, that's great. I do too (not all routes mind you, anything apart from the strictly lesbian stuff isn't my cup with a female MC), otherwise I wouldn't play it. And there are definitely people overdoing it with the criticism and the personal attacks, but OTOH so many people just have the gut reaction to aggressively defend stuff they like, which is something that I also find annoying, especially if I catch myself doing it (just a stupid human, making mistakes like everyone else here, but open about it).
Sometimes it feels so weird, because people don't seem to understand that there's a difference between criticizing someone, even harshly, and insulting and attacking someone, calling them liar and fraud and milker (if you make any of these claims, you should better be sure you have ground to stand on IMO) and putting pressure on them to make the game like you want them to.
I am fine with the former, even think it's important for a creator of any form to receive such criticism and accept it, but absolutely loathe the other.

 

[ihl86]

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Blue is the latest voting result and red is the cumulative voting result.

Emma, Christine, Marie, Claire and Cathy didn't get a single vote in the latest poll.

For reference, Emma held a vote on whether or not to proceed with the event, and the event was deleted according to the voting result.

Will Christine be any different?

That's a very interesting voting poll, do you have the one before this as well?
Curious how/what shifted in between votes (if anything).

It's also interesting to see that most of the people that give L&P money want to see Sofia with kids. At the top two being the incest and next 3 being the other important kid events in her life (with Aiden's one being the less kid-like because of the nature of their relationship).
I would be curious to see how a voting on this thread would go, from anybody/everybody that plays the game compared to who is still willing to pay for it.

 

[tofhdns]

That's a very interesting voting poll, do you have the one before this as well?
Curious how/what shifter in between votes (if anything).

It's also interesting to see that most of the people that give L&P money want to see Sofia with kids. At the top two being the incest and next 3 being the other important kid events in her life (with Aiden's one being the less kid-like because of the nature of their relationship).
I would be curious to see how a voting on this thread would go, from anybody/everybody that plays the game compared to who is still willing to pay for it.

Blue is the most recent vote and red is the previous vote.

The period is after every update, and the most recent voting result is version 0.185.

In addition, the size of the graph has been modified to make comparison easier.

3rd amendment.
This is the most error-free graph I can think of.

 

[Bibifoc]

I mean, 7 hours are a couple of hours, wouldn't you say? At least compared to whole days.
And if I read the current argument correctly, it was something like they had 20% progress a day during the check for the release. Which certainly sounds like more than 7 hours.

It was only "my" time. There is L&P's too.
And it wasn't 20% a day. There were 35% on friday and the rest on saturday.

 

[ihl86]

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Blue is the most recent vote and red is the previous vote.

The period is after every update, and the most recent voting result is version 0.185.

In addition, the size of the graph has been modified to make comparison easier.
(No numerical change)

Wow quite some big changes. Ellie got almost double the votes but it makes sense since it's been longer and longer without content for her.
However, the subway thugs got a very big increase in percentage, while carl got a lot of vote out of nowhere/nothing before.
Amber (have to admit, not sure who Amber is. Sam's mom?) and Alyssa decreased a lot in percentage as well, compared to the last one.
And Aiden and Ava's children are extremely constant which in my eyes means they kind of have their own supporters that want that content and don't care so much about the rest.