XaGnard

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Yes, it's a 'A Wife & Her Son,' AWAHS, or as I think of it now, DATBO, 'Dylan And The Bloated One,' or DATMJ, 'Dylan And The Milk Jugs...(ref. L&P). It's been publicly stated, by the Dev, that Dylan's appearances will be brought up to par with Sophia's, because apparently there's not enough of him so far. He's been an official "2nd MC" for several years, (which is a contradiction in terms), yet there's still no male protagonist tag, nor does the promo blurb make clear that this game is as much about the adventures of a teenage virgin schoolboy, as it is about his mother. All we can be certain of is that Dylan can never be "a wife & mother," unless he undergoes some drastic & painful surgery. He can certainly dominate the whole game, as he's doing at present. AWAM is so well-known that it would be detrimental for the Dev to retitle the game officially.
First of all, I think some here should realize that AWAM is not a game about Sophia alone, but a game about Sophia in her role as "A wife and mother". Nowhere does this title specify that all scenes must be depicted from Sophia's perspective.

Telling a story from multiple perspectives is an often-used device. One example is maybe "The Godfather" were not all the scenes in this movie are told from just one perspective. Like in AWAM also in this movie it is not just about one charakter, but about the construct and dynamics in this family. The change of perspective is necessary to show the development of other characters and thus give depth to the story.

Originally it was intended that Liam would feature more prominently & that his POV would be in the nature of a dual game with his wife. His predictable unpopularity caused this plan to be dropped. Predictable, because teenage oedipal M/S incest stories usually contain a son who wants to replace his father, even to the extent of becoming a father himself, to his own brother/son, or sister/daughter. Genetic issues are not usually a problem because the fantasy finishes before the mother goes into labour. Fans don't want a hero of the story to be burdened with responsibilities, especially those that are in no sense erotic. (That's too much like RL, especially if consanguinity were to result in birth defects. That's nobody's idea of good or even average porn).
I think one of L&P's biggest mistakes was wasting time in the good wife path. Not because I dislike Liam as a character, or would like to see Dylan replace him, but because this path is too boring. In the current version of the game, Liam seems like an unnecessary appendage, which I think is a great pity.

I think that a little more liam in the game, apart from the good wife story, would have done quite well. At the latest, if he had noticed something of what was going on between Sophia/Ellie, Sophia/Dylan or Sophia/Sam.

Dylan's popularity in polls must have been at least one reason for the Dev to re-interpret AWAM. ("It's where the market is"). As I've said before, however, even though Dylan's fans form the biggest voting bloc amongst the paying Patrons, (i.e. those fans who matter) doesn't mean that a majority of fans want him to take over. L&P uses the "First past the post" system in polls but the fact that Patrons have more than one vote complicates the outcome.
I think that Dylan and Ellie are doing so well in the polls is because they are such important charakers in the game. The fact that this does not mean that the story is also told from Ellie's perspective is probably because the perspective of one of Sophia's children is sufficient and Dylan also brings in the other gender and thus more variety.

There's nothing intrinsically wrong about broadening a story to contain activities & POVs of other characters. When AWAM started & for the first couple of years, so many people were introduced, it seemed that it wouldn't be constrained by the standard, slightly claustrophobic, incest-driven family of 3D games but this was an illusion. It was easier to bring in new characters than it was to write a coherent story. Dylan's & other character's POVs, along with their stories, would, IMO, be more successful if the roll-out was faster & wasn't restricted by the event-based update strait-jacket.
Yes, I also think that L&P opens too many side stories that have nothing to do with the actual theme of the game. So in my opinion you could delete Aiden (as probably the most unbelievable thug of all times) and especially the two side jobs from the game without really losing anything. The plot here has strayed so far from Sophia in her role as "A wife and mother" that the game is actually just wasting time here and everything is just unnecessarily stretched out rather than really telling a few storylines with depth.

Anyway, the current update is about Dylan and Ellie, and therefore alone a part of the core of the game, because they are both in the family that Sophia is "A wife and mother" of. That is what this game should be much more about and not less.
 

DudeDiabolos

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I think that Dylan and Ellie are doing so well in the polls is because they are such important charakers in the game. The fact that this does not mean that the story is also told from Ellie's perspective is probably because the perspective of one of Sophia's children is sufficient and Dylan also brings in the other gender and thus more variety.
The only reason, I think, why Dylan and Ellie are popular is the incest aspect. It's a very popular fetish online. If Dylan was just another student, no one would care about him.
And thats fine with me, because I'm really only here because of the taboo relationships. :BootyTime:
 
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L0b0ts

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Sophia is not interested in adult males, we know this from when she made breakfast for the removers, nothing happened out of that and from the night watching the game and she dresses as cheerleader, nothing happened out of that, and nothing has progressed if ever so slightly, even with learning guitar and becoming secret girlfriend, nothing happened out of that either. It's time to let this game go, it's a dud.
 
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Lol I dont understand when the game tag is cheating , corruption etc..people jump in to save the marriage of characters lol..that i found most funny in this community...In all cheating games there are few people who always complain about saving marriage and not to show cheating and incest or corruption..lol ...they should play happy marriage games with no NTR cheating and corruption.
 

Turret

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Everyone just needs to chill for a bit.

So, there is a girl's party event to come out. Ok, sure not a national secret. But it's like being in a blizzard on the plains with the winds blowing every direction like how this party event will unfold. Dylan and Ellie...this or that. Dylan and Christine... that and this... so on and so forth. But let me put this out there:

You have Dylan and a pack of girls. Nice place to be when the booze starts getting passed around. But look at the girls being involved. Let's start with Ellie. Ellie is much "wilder" than Sophia. Sophia is held back by notions that's been planted in her head all her life; basically, what a proper wife and mother ought to be. Sophia has to be coaxed into many of her behaviors but some inner devil in her says, "sure why not," or justifies her to "have fun." Ellie just goes for it. Only her lack of experience slows her down.

Ellie was the catalyst for the shower scene with Sophia ... Ellie was responsible for the Julia/Sophia make out scene at the pool ... Ellie was the motivation for the girl's night out with Sophia and Patrica. So, whatever happens at that party is well within Ellie's character. And Ellie too is flirting around with having her own lesbian experience.

Christine, we don't know a lot about but is a bit of a troublemaker and is more experienced than Ellie. She likes her booze and other vices. Would Chistine hook up with Dylan? Her character likely would if nothing for the thrill of it, but emotional attachment to Dylan-- not likely. So, Chistine is a party girl and likely the leader of the pack so to speak.

I just wish I knew who the rest of the girls going to the party will be. But if a game of "spin the Bottle," Truth or Dare," or "Postman" occurs at the party, it wouldn't surprise me. Girls gone wild and only having one "boy" there and him looking harmless--Oh Boy!

So, I wouldn't put any money bets on what will happen. The sky is the limits, but if the developer wants to keep the Ellie/Dylan arch going, there are many plots to use to keep that open while at the same time opening new ones or just giving us basic content. Right now, according to completion reports for the next release, the Developer can change their mind and go down any number of rabbit holes.
One thing with the party and stuff is what L&P wants to push here. We have the Dylan/Ellie path, the Dylan/Christine path and to a certain degree Dylan/Sophia path, since t seems L&P has everything else bowing to this specific path.

I personally hope that Dylan and Christine can become a couple here. She might be, as you said, a bit of a troublemaker and leader of the pack, but years ago RL, during the first beach visit it already came up that Christine likes Dylan. This does not prevent her from teasing Dylan mercilessly, but already back then Christine had a soft spot for him.
So it is possible for them to form an emotional attachment and from all options for Dylan´s girlfriend, Christine is the one best fitting so far. Dylan is a good guy in most paths, so he can even out Christine´s "bad girl" inclinations, while he has enough hidden pervertness in him to be fitting/attractive to her wild side.
Those two could become a really good couple!

As for the party games, a lot is possible, from more development of Ellie/Dylan, Christine/Dylan, Ellie/someone else, maybe even threesome/foursome Christine/Ellie/Dylan/maybe.
There could be also some "food" for the Dylan/Sophia path, say during a "Truth or Dare" game it comes out that Christine does not only shower with her Mom, but is also a regular visitor in her Dad´s shower and a Daddy´s girl.
The Dylan version out for Sophia might use this info to convince Sophia for a common shower sometime later on.
 

GoddessSophia

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I think noone would have a problem with the Ellie/Dylan update if the updates would come every 2-2,5 Month.But the thing that the next Sophia update is probably not before 2025 is simply annoying.
L&p could have let the Party/sleepover happen at the Parkers house.Liam and Sophia normaly would be on a Date so noone would be home.
Now Sophia is at home (because Liam rather watches Football with his boss then have a Date with his wife:FacePalm:) allows them to have the party anyways.
Maybe let Sophia watch Dylan have fun with the girls and get a little jealouse.
So L&p wouldnt have to create a new location (saves time) and you have ALL important characters in the update and could get the Sophia/Dylan story going forward.
 
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PaxHadrian17

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One thing with the party and stuff is what L&P wants to push here. We have the Dylan/Ellie path, the Dylan/Christine path and to a certain degree Dylan/Sophia path, since t seems L&P has everything else bowing to this specific path.

I personally hope that Dylan and Christine can become a couple here. She might be, as you said, a bit of a troublemaker and leader of the pack, but years ago RL, during the first beach visit it already came up that Christine likes Dylan. This does not prevent her from teasing Dylan mercilessly, but already back then Christine had a soft spot for him.
So it is possible for them to form an emotional attachment and from all options for Dylan´s girlfriend, Christine is the one best fitting so far. Dylan is a good guy in most paths, so he can even out Christine´s "bad girl" inclinations, while he has enough hidden pervertness in him to be fitting/attractive to her wild side.
Those two could become a really good couple!

As for the party games, a lot is possible, from more development of Ellie/Dylan, Christine/Dylan, Ellie/someone else, maybe even threesome/foursome Christine/Ellie/Dylan/maybe.
There could be also some "food" for the Dylan/Sophia path, say during a "Truth or Dare" game it comes out that Christine does not only shower with her Mom, but is also a regular visitor in her Dad´s shower and a Daddy´s girl.
The Dylan version out for Sophia might use this info to convince Sophia for a common shower sometime later on.
Nice!!

I'll add in a '7 minutes in heaven' game where Christine gets Dylan to go get more alcohol in front of the girls but tells him before hand to reenter the house from the back door and to wait in the closet with his eyes closed (and oh by the way, put on this lip balm - part of keeping the girls guessing).

Christine then sends in a girlfriend - kissing only, no touching with hands and, when she is done, she sends in Ellie for the same, then once Ellie is done, she goes in herself. When she and Dylan are done kissing, Christine reveals how hot it was for her to kiss Dylan after he made out with Ellie.... For all we know, Christine's wild side could include some bi time in a threesome (no sex here obviously - but some nice groping, breast play and french kissing would be within bounds at the party once the alcohol had its effect), laying the groundwork for more later (all if L&P chose to expand this story line or at least carry on some of its parts into the future)

There are a lot of possibilities at that party, and I hope that they are not wasted.

Cheers!! :coffee:
 
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bacavix

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Hello, first of all I want to say that I think the game is amazing and this is demonstrated by the more than 6,500 pages of comments and more than 1,300 in the FanArt page.

On the other hand, I also think that the progress is very slow, even though the renders are absolutely stunning, although I don't understand the insults to the developer. I guess because of the frustration and anxiety to receiving more content.

However, there is something I still don't understand, and hence my question. We receive the public version, but is it possible that patrons are receiving more content in certain scenes or perhaps bonus scenes?
For example, it is possible that in the sex education scenes of the boys or in the nursing home with the elderly, something else happened that only the bosses could see. Maybe not all, but the great ones. Otherwise I don't understand how you can continue supporting a game that at this rate (more than a year and a half for a day, with 10 left) is supposed to end around 2038. Thank you.
 

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However, there is something I still don't understand, and hence my question. We receive the public version, but is it possible that patrons are receiving more content in certain scenes or perhaps bonus scenes?
You mean only the deeply vetted patrons, not the rats who'd come forward and leak the secret content? We cannot know for sure, but it seems to be highly unlikely - it would be the fourth parallel version of the game.
 
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lokiGod

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Hello, first of all I want to say that I think the game is amazing and this is demonstrated by the more than 6,500 pages of comments and more than 1,300 in the FanArt page.

On the other hand, I also think that the progress is very slow, even though the renders are absolutely stunning, although I don't understand the insults to the developer. I guess because of the frustration and anxiety to receiving more content.

However, there is something I still don't understand, and hence my question. We receive the public version, but is it possible that patrons are receiving more content in certain scenes or perhaps bonus scenes?
For example, it is possible that in the sex education scenes of the boys or in the nursing home with the elderly, something else happened that only the bosses could see. Maybe not all, but the great ones. Otherwise I don't understand how you can continue supporting a game that at this rate (more than a year and a half for a day, with 10 left) is supposed to end around 2038. Thank you.
Well the insane time to be taken for this game makes me worry too
 

bacavix

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You mean only the deeply vetted patrons, not the rats who'd come forward and leak the secret content? We cannot know for sure, but it seems to be highly unlikely - it would be the fourth parallel version of the game.
Well, it's possible, but it seems very strange to me that there are people willing to pay €36 or €60 each month receiving so little content, that's why I wonder if they aren't receiving some kind of extra content
 

TomUK

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Hello, first of all I want to say that I think the game is amazing and this is demonstrated by the more than 6,500 pages of comments and more than 1,300 in the FanArt page.

On the other hand, I also think that the progress is very slow, even though the renders are absolutely stunning, although I don't understand the insults to the developer. I guess because of the frustration and anxiety to receiving more content.

However, there is something I still don't understand, and hence my question. We receive the public version, but is it possible that patrons are receiving more content in certain scenes or perhaps bonus scenes?
For example, it is possible that in the sex education scenes of the boys or in the nursing home with the elderly, something else happened that only the bosses could see. Maybe not all, but the great ones. Otherwise I don't understand how you can continue supporting a game that at this rate (more than a year and a half for a day, with 10 left) is supposed to end around 2038. Thank you.
I wouldn't take the page count in to consideration on how popular this game is when you read over half of them are to complain about update frequency and Sophia not having sex yet with anyone other than her husband.

I think the public release is the same as the Patreon release, they just get it a little earlier than the rest of us.
 

rAmSiMaL

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I wouldn't take the page count in to consideration on how popular this game is when you read over half of them are to complain about update frequency and Sophia not having sex yet with anyone other than her husband.

I think the public release is the same as the Patreon release, they just get it a little earlier than the rest of us.
Some extra content is being shared that you’ll only see after a few updates are released… I don’t think someone paying 60 €/month would be willing to share something that they pay dearly to get. The only way to get access to that content is to become a regular 60 € patron ;)
 

bacavix

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I wouldn't take the page count in to consideration on how popular this game is when you read over half of them are to complain about update frequency and Sophia not having sex yet with anyone other than her husband.

I think the public release is the same as the Patreon release, they just get it a little earlier than the rest of us.
As I said in my post, complaints, criticisms and insults are the product of frustration and anxiety to receive more content. There are more than 6,500 pages, not counting those that have been deleted by the forum moderators.
That's because people like the game, otherwise you don't waste time posting your reviews. You can see that there are many games that take even longer than this one to receive updates and there are hardly any complaints.
 

bacavix

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Some extra content is being shared that you’ll only see after a few updates are released… I don’t think someone paying 60 €/month would be willing to share something that they pay dearly to get. The only way to get access to that content is to become a regular 60 € patron ;)
That's what I think, which is why I wonder what they could be getting that would be worth paying that money.
Without knowing what it is, how can you think it's worth it?
 
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