Baloney. At one time most negative reviews were being removed. Seems to not be the case lately. It does seem it's against the (unwritten) rules to give certain games a negative review. Or at least it was.
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Well,ICSTOR at least have 7 games completed.
L&P will never have 7 completed games.
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In defense I can say that his project, held the bar as a very high quality work in the erotic novella genre, for was the peak of Aiden 3 task, lesbian events part one, it was straight up super beautiful and sexy, even without the sex scenes I cum really hard.
He probably has the best combination of assets of images, and story sets, I like the second part less btw), only Dylan, Sam and Ellie was good, but everything else is garbage and a waste of time. (shota I didn't get it because of the realization, not the idea, I still think they should have been made antoganists and villains who pretend to be naive teenagers, we'll see what happens next.
)I fucking hated the non-MC Sophia events, and all sorts of salons where not a shitload of interesting stuff happens, and all the interesting stuff could be fit into 30 renders.
If the first part took 2 years of development, I wouldn't have any complaints at all, I just realize that with the amount of characters that he did it was generally impossible (I'd probably be his patron.)
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If I remember correctly, I believe he has OCD. I believe Old Dog and Hlextor can verify this. This means nothing is good enough in his eyes. So, I would say no when people say he continuously improves his art. His mind always sees flaws, and he tries to find the magic render that he can be satisfied with, which will never be.
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Well yeah, fair enough. I was more referring to ICSTOR's recent years with...well, basically nothing except for the final update of MILFY City which was delayed so many times the guy prolly made a million within that devcycle alone.
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What time would that be? I've seen a bunch of reviews getting removed which clearly broke forum rules. The ones in line with forum rules have never been deleted from my experience, lots of which are negative with at most 2 stars.
Well, you call it baloney, but in the end you can't prove it and neither can I.
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Seriously. You say it yourself that he uses more and more software while producing the content, yet for some reason you want everything to take the same amount of time as when he was just posing raw models in the scene software and creating screen captures.
So what if it is AI. Still needs to use it and this adds time. 4.25 renders per day is not a bad score considering the quality.
He could most likely just use the bare minimum and made the game 5 years ago. I am not disputing that, but he stated that he wants AWAM to be a quality VN and he sticks to his vision. Almost every day you get progress, yet people still cry.
I am not being delusional, of course there is some delays and degree of adjusting the time scale to get in to the next Patreon cycle for example. Of course. Also he can't just work on this project 24/7.
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Quote: he stated that he wants AWAM to be a quality VN and he sticks to his vision.
I have seen this comment many times from people who use these words. So my question to you is this: Can you tell me what his vision is?
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When did I say he's using more and more software? And how come you particularly leave out the important parts of my posts whenever you respond while saying the same thing over and over again without it making sense?
His computers are literally able to run hundreds of renders through the software I mentioned within an hour or two. Do you really think that results in less renders every year, or much slower development compared to lets say 3 years ago?
I've literally told you what you can look at to see for yourself how this doesn't add up, yet your response is always the same.
What progress? You mean the percentages on his progress bars over on Patreon? What's that got to do with him getting slower every year? You are trying to defend him, fine, but you have zero valid arguments.
I'm not even going to address the developers own statements over the years, because that's where the real fun begins. lol
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No, you keep ignoring my initial statement that quality takes time.
Do you really think that the initial renders from day 1 take the same amount time to produce as the ones from the teaser someone shared few pages back?
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What do you mean? I believe this is a quote from his Patreon:
"After seeing so many lower-quality adult games, where the primary goal is to show as much skin or as many h scenes as possible right from the beginning, without any good story or character development (and not even good or authentic renders!)! So, I've decided to develop my own ambitious, realistic, detail-oriented, quality-focused adult game"
He wants to create VN game with good quality renders and coherent story. So far he sticks to it.
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Did you recently join as a member of his? Because what you just posted is on his about page, which can be shredded apart by his own words.
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Well I did waste some hours playing the news release... and YAWN!
Not as bad as the previous but nothing to hold my attention. Best part is the developer summed up the plot based on the shared history of Ellie and Sophia... the shower/the pool/etc. But as far as moving the needle with Sophia--notta. This last release doesn't move Sophia closure to any given pathway--or not enough.
Now had the Ellie/Sophia been a mutual love making exchange, instead of Sophia giving and Ellie taking, the whole story line and plot would have been advanced. The developer wouldn't have had to 'keep the ball rolling' with more sex scenes but just move to the next events to build up to another good point to have a sex scene. Its rather disappointing the developer is so stuck in such a predictable pattern of writing.
So I gotta ask the group here... what's next in the story for the developer to blotch? Personally... I'm not at all not impatient for the next release... if it comes out tomorrow OK... if its 5 months from now...OK
Not as bad as the previous but nothing to hold my attention. Best part is the developer summed up the plot based on the shared history of Ellie and Sophia... the shower/the pool/etc. But as far as moving the needle with Sophia--notta. This last release doesn't move Sophia closure to any given pathway--or not enough.
Now had the Ellie/Sophia been a mutual love making exchange, instead of Sophia giving and Ellie taking, the whole story line and plot would have been advanced. The developer wouldn't have had to 'keep the ball rolling' with more sex scenes but just move to the next events to build up to another good point to have a sex scene. Its rather disappointing the developer is so stuck in such a predictable pattern of writing.
So I gotta ask the group here... what's next in the story for the developer to blotch? Personally... I'm not at all not impatient for the next release... if it comes out tomorrow OK... if its 5 months from now...OK
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You are correct, this is from his Patreon page. You don't have to be a member to see it.
Feel free to shred it then, please.
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Man in my conspirationist mind this Oz guy is just L&P sock account coming here to defend himself and argue with every criticism thrown at him
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I'm not ignoring it. Guess why I told you to look at renders from 3 years ago. Out of boredom? This game's in development for like 7 years now. I'm not telling you to look at renders from day 1 for obvious reasons. I'm trying to make you understand that getting slower every single year does not make sense for various reasons, and I'm pointing you at everything you need to look at to understand it. But you keep ignoring that and instead reply with the same nonsense "quality takes time".
You said quality takes time, I told you to look at renders from 3 years ago because they have the same quality, except he produced way more overall renders in 2021.
You said the tool I mentioned adds time to the development, I told you why that's not the case. It does increase render quality slightly, which is the only difference between now and 3 years ago as he's already pushing DAZ to it's limits.
2020: 2328 renders
2021: 1872 renders
2022: 1646 renders
2023: 1123 renders
And you really try to keep going with your "quality takes time" thing? Dunno what else to tell you my guy.
Oh, in all fairness: 2023 could in theory have another 764 renders counted towards it as Dylan+Sophia part 2 was released on January 7th, 2024. That would actually put it above 2021 in terms of overall renders, except I went with the release dates during all those years ignoring any overlap. Bottom line: Things have gotten more than abysmal ever since part 02 started in 2022, and L&P was already known as a slowmotion developer long before that.
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I'm sure he's a new member and doesn't know the history of AWAM yet. He's just reading what he saw on his page and is convinced that everything is true.
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If he's just a new member he will one day probably realize the dishonesty of L&P and join us in our criticisms