VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.205] [Lust & Passion]

[Old Dog]

And the conclusion of that was that Ellie was 18, since she is younger than Nathalie, who is stated in her interview that she is 19. The Dylan fans believe Ellie herself to be 19. What makes you believe Ellie is younger? She doesn't need to be underage for L&P to obfuscate her age, since it would need only to be done to obfuscate Dylan's, with him being a year younger.

I will take your word on that one,maybe I got it mixed up with something but I was sure she was younger.
I wonder how many people are scrambling to google to find out what "obfuscate" means?

 

[Old Dog]

I will take your word on that one,maybe I got it mixed up with something but I was sure she was younger.
I wonder how many people are scrambling to google to find out what "obfuscate" means?

Besides L&P uses Obfuscation all the time

 

[Silvenight1]

That's was the whole point of my post. I really don't think he would...as most men probably wouldn't be. Sam yes...Dylan for certain...Ellie perhaps a little...Julia...nope as the majority (and it is the majority) of men understand women experiment with each other and that another woman is rarely a threat to them. That's how the male sex is wired (this ihas also been pyschologically evaluated btw). There's a reason there's so much lesbian porn and it's not made primarily for women.

Liam may be cool with it if it were someone he fancies. Ellie? He may freak out about, Julia he may ask to join. Harem desires are rooted in these points of humanity. He may accept Ellie if he has been turned on by her eventually, but Daddy's girls are hard to be thought of as sexual beings, unless there is a secret attraction he has been hiding.

It was mentioned by Sophia that if/when Julia/Ellie told people about there relationship and if Neil caused any trouble for them Sophia would sort him out.Amber seems more open minded

It was and it wasn't. I think Amber has been a more sexually open person all her life than Neil. He would have a shit fest if Julia is seen by anyone as a desirable creature, Daddy's girl syndrome if you will. If Sam was the one caught he would see it as his son cuckolding him as he still sees Sophia as part of his harem.

No it's not. Adultery and adulteration have the same etymology, and you can't have adulteration (of a bloodline in this case) from a homosexual relationship, since it wont bear children. It will still be cheating, but it wont be adultery.

Dylan has longer to go but yes you could be right I also said that Ellie/Julia could be a round the same age.I don't think that they quite 18 yet,we worked out the ages a while a go.

To some the meanings of a word are less important than the emotion of the moment. Neil would see anyone having sex with his Harem as an assault on him. They're not his but he sees them that way. Liam might see it that way if he caught Sophia with Alyssa as she is a stranger. Vicky or Patricia, he might have to adjust his personal feelings and may think of them now as his girls.

As for ages of consent in the States. San Alejo appears to be California, and that state is 18 with no age of nearness exceptions. They also are a state with strict incest laws. So neither Ellie, even as an adult, or Dylan as a 17 year old, would be good for Sophia to be caught with legally. Hell even Patricia would be doom for them if Carl's money wasn't a wall of defense.

Funny to think that such a liberal state is harsher sexually than a more conservative state like Texas, its polar opposite rival politically and economically.

 

[TheMainEvent]

I don't post much, I usually just read the comments. But going back through the game, I am really impressed by how each decision really effects the storyline. This kind of effort towards the details starts to explains the time between updates. It is also why I wanted to keep the Dylan twist, because I felt like few players even ran into it on their own. Most people just go all flthy to get Sophia as corrupted as possible, so I like that their are a number of twists hidden in the story. Each time I play I try to make slightly different decisions to see the outcome. But one outcome I have been unable to see a change on is the 'bikini deal', when you are partnered with Sam, at one point Dylan looks at Sam and is about to say something, then says never mind. What decisions need to happen before to get him to say something in front of Sam?

 

[Silvenight1]

I think to get that you need to make him react poorly to Sam and Sophia in the pool scene.

 

[Alley_Cat]

Besides L&P uses Obfuscation all the time

I'm more curious about the words Turret mentioned, "Bleistiftgeraderücker" and "Kirschkernpolierer"

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As for ages of consent in the States. San Alejo appears to be California, and that state is 18 with no age of nearness exceptions. They also are a state with strict incest laws. So neither Ellie, even as an adult, or Dylan as a 17 year old, would be good for Sophia to be caught with legally. Hell even Patricia would be doom for them if Carl's money wasn't a wall of defense.

Funny to think that such a liberal state is harsher sexually than a more conservative state like Texas, its polar opposite rival politically and economically.

I was under the impression San Alejo was in a fictitious country (possibly with lax tax laws), purely for the reason that it blurs what the age of consent is. If it was in America, then the age of consent is clear, which is a problem for those characters under 18.

 

[Silvenight1]

Not in Texas where it is 17, Oklahoma is 16, and so on. Then there is the murky age of nearness and wildly differing incest laws.

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Federalism is a wonderful thing but it nevertheless is more that a nation like the US is actually a long term alliance of independent nations.

 

[Turret]

'm more curious about the words @Turret mentioned, "Bleistiftgeraderücker" and "Kirschkernpolierer"

There are no real translations into English since meaning is lost, but Bleistiftgeraderücker would be "pencil straight mover", someone who is totally overcorrect to the point even the tax or statistical offices get annoyed from this type of person. Kirschkernpolierer is "cherry stone polisher", which is a person who is fixated on unimportant details and has lost sight of the big picture.

 

[hmc15]

The blackmail tasks can only become erotic if Sophie retains control over how the
tasks are to be carried out. Or with whom.

I agree. It's also more humiliating in a sense because it requires Sophia to choose in what way she will expose herself or with whom she will degrade herself as a tool of lust. Giving her that power makes the act "hers" which is what makes blackmail sexy. Otherwise, as mentioned, its forcible and bland - can still be hot, but empty nonetheless.

By empowering Sophia with choice in her blackmail, she becomes the driver of her debauchery and within her choices are implied fantasies of her own.

 

[hmc15]

I think that that was more to do with the 1st task as Sophia liked the attention the class gave her,no playing with phones or looking out of windows.She also enjoyed Zac trying to look down her top more than certain other people
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As for Aidens next task, I think that he may ask Sophia to wear a different dress or add a piece of clothing.I will not add going without panties as Sophia has already done that during the Bennett event.

I am curious as to what is meant by "add a piece of clothing". Typically sexiness is inferred through reduced clothing so I definitely wonder what is meant by "adding". Perhaps sheer? Fishnets? Pasties?

I've been waiting for the 3rd task for some time so I hope it's been worth the wait !

 

[hmc15]

Not in Texas where it is 17, Oklahoma is 16, and so on. Then there is the murky age of nearness and wildly differing incest laws.

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Federalism is a wonderful thing but it nevertheless is more that a nation like the US is actually a long term alliance of independent nations.

Pennsylvania is a 16. Most states have an upper cap meaning the male cannot be over 21, for example, if they are in a consenting sexual relationship with a 16 year old minor.

 

[Silvenight1]

There are no real translations into English since meaning is lost, but Bleistiftgeraderücker would be "pencil straight mover", someone who is totally overcorrect to the point even the tax or statistical offices get annoyed from this type of person. Kirschkernpolierer is "cherry stone polisher", which is a person who is fixated on unimportant details and has lost sight of the big picture.

There are partial similar terms such as "pencil pusher" or "pinhead" for the first kinda fits, and "nitpicker" for the last but can be used for the first.

 

[Silvenight1]

Pennsylvania is a 16. Most states have an upper cap meaning the male cannot be over 21, for example, if they are in a consenting sexual relationship with a 16 year old minor.

True, those are the age of nearness exemptions, though some states do not use them and technically can arrest two minors for underage sex as it is a crime to do such below what the states laws say is a minor.

Like I said, it gets murky quick.

Most outside of the States would be lost as to who, what, when, and how of the laws governing the states can be differing. Hell its hard to figure out if one is native born.

But as I said earlier, California is one of those stricter states and is usually the bases for outsiders ideas of American life. Well there and New York. The rest of the country is usually overlooked artistically as we are not in the news enough unless there is a riot or natural disaster.

 

[Maviarab]

Pennsylvania is a 16. Most states have an upper cap meaning the male cannot be over 21, for example, if they are in a consenting sexual relationship with a 16 year old minor.

Which is why laws based on an arbitary number are utterly and pointlessly useless. So a 22yo knows better than a 21yo? Driving at 57mph is inherantly more dangerous than at 55mph? A 17yo is so much more sexually naive and innocent than an 18yo? You can get married at 17 but can't drink or watch porn? Etc etc etc....

But I'm digressing lol...

 

[hmc15]

Which is why laws based on an arbitary number are utterly and pointlessly useless. So a 22yo knows better than a 21yo? Driving at 57mph is inherantly more dangerous than at 55mph? A 17yo is so much more sexually naive and innocent than an 18yo? You can get married at 17 but can't drink or watch porn? Etc etc etc....

But I'm digressing lol...

I think the purpose of the law is to suggest a 40 year old should not be in a sexual relationship with a 16 year old, regardless of consent. There is no distinct difference between a 21 and 22 year old, but surely a 40 or 50 year old is drastically different from a 16 year old. Presumably there is a predatory behavior and intent in those cases (and possibly grooming)

 

[Turret]

There are partial similar terms such as "pencil pusher" or "pinhead" for the first kinda fits, and "nitpicker" for the last but can be used for the first.

Thanks for the silmilar English words! But pencil pusher does not really fit the "Bleistiftgeraderücker". That is more a combination of "pencil pusher" combined with a "neat freak", a first grade "Nervensäge"(nerve saw), which would translate as a professional nag.

 

[ancienregimele]

True, those are the age of nearness exemptions, though some states do not use them and technically can arrest two minors for underage sex as it is a crime to do such below what the states laws say is a minor.

Like I said, it gets murky quick.

Most outside of the States would be lost as to who, what, when, and how of the laws governing the states can be differing. Hell its hard to figure out if one is native born.

But as I said earlier, California is one of those stricter states and is usually the bases for outsiders ideas of American life. Well there and New York. The rest of the country is usually overlooked artistically as we are not in the news enough unless there is a riot or natural disaster.

I've always thought of San Alejo as a Californian city, right from when I started playing, over 2 years ago. I don't know too much about The States but I'm not unaware of the different approaches to such fundamental things as sex & I do have American relatives, [in Texas]. Now I'm thinking that it might be better if it was in some kind of off-shore US controlled tax haven with its' own set of laws but it's a stretch & could complicate things further. I'm not often in two minds in relation to AWAM but on this....

 

[Maviarab]

I think the purpose of the law is to suggest a 40 year old should not be in a sexual relationship with a 16 year old, regardless of consent. There is no distinct difference between a 21 and 22 year old, but surely a 40 or 50 year old is drastically different from a 16 year old. Presumably there is a predatory behavior and intent in those cases (and possibly grooming)

Should not? Distinct difference? Drastically? Surely?

Why? Give me one solid good reason why there is a difference between a 22yo or a 40yo? Still think the same if the girl was let's say ohhh I dunno 20 and make the guys 26 and 50? Suppose you think there's a difference between a 18yo guy and a 40yo woman compared to the other way around too?

I'll tell you the difference, too many people are uneducated enough to know the difference between a pedophile and an Ephibophile. Again, why the States is in the biblical dark ages. I've asked lots of people lots of times in different places..no one seem to be able to tell me. If I have a 16yo gf in Oaklahoma...and move to Cali. Will I be arrested? Can anyone tell me what would happen in a country that lets individual parts do wtf they like and make up whatever laws they want? I really am curious when a lot of the rest of the world are looking into lowering their AoC.

Peoples morals are the issues (and religious backgrounds)....at the end of the day...who cares if (let's make it legal) an 18yo dates and fucks a 50yo? No one elses godamn business (and are we really stating there's that much developmental process and maturity in 2 years) and as for underage teenagers...sorry...but there is ZERO difference between a 20yo and a 40yo dating a 16yo (in the States). Both know the law. Funny though how the law tries to say different? Maybe we need to move the legal adult status up to 25 then if they are defending the 20yo with...I don't know...not knowing any better (which in itself makes a complete mockery of the law it's defending really doesn't it)?

But you didn't actually really respond to my main point. Arbitary ages slapped onto laws are ridiculous, whetever it is for. But I got way off-topic..veered into political land and this will probably be deleted. bottom line...in most countruies, their ages are totally irelevent and as for the trouble Sophie would be in, I think we're really discussing family noticing...not 'outsiders' that would screw her life up completely.

There are no real translations into English since meaning is lost, but Bleistiftgeraderücker would be "pencil straight mover", someone who is totally overcorrect to the point even the tax or statistical offices get annoyed from this type of person. Kirschkernpolierer is "cherry stone polisher", which is a person who is fixated on unimportant details and has lost sight of the big picture.

Thanks for the silmilar English words! But pencil pusher does not really fit the "Bleistiftgeraderücker". That is more a combination of "pencil pusher" combined with a "neat freak", a first grade "Nervensäge"(nerve saw), which would translate as a professional nag.

Jeesh...you learn something new every day. Thanks.

 

[hmc15]

Should not? Distinct difference? Drastically? Surely?

Why? Give me one solid good reason why there is a difference between a 22yo or a 40yo? Still think the same if the girl was let's say ohhh I dunno 20 and make the guys 26 and 50? Suppose you think there's a difference between a 18yo guy and a 40yo woman compared to the other way around too?

A 22 year old may be a "late bloomer" and a non-traditional student and, while rare, some 16 year olds take courses at community college and graduate high school at 17 years. In those cases there could be natural interaction that facilitate relationship.

An older person, 30+ years old, that engages in a relationship with a 16 year old (or younger) has significant maturational and developmental advantage and can very easily "groom" the teen. That is why these relationships are frowned upon and that is why these relationships almost never work. They are unhealthy for the teen and, frankly, the adult.

The rules/laws go both ways, it's just more common for men to go after women (young and old) and society has fostered a culture where men as predators and women, even when they're the actual predators, have mental health issues or going through a divorce, etc. Women get a pass and it's not okay, but that doesn't make it okay for men either.

Children should learn with/from other children. There will be occasions when adults help those education, but that should be as limited as possible. That's also why there is an entire legal industry of "sugar babies". Young, 18 year old women find rich older men to finance their bills, schooling, housing, etc., and provide sexual exchanges...it almost doesn't happen - at all - the other way around.

And if you personally are into teenagers that's fine. There are more than enough underdeveloped 18 year olds to satisfy that niche

As for Sophie's troubles...its incest. Am unaware of laws surrounding it. She likely wouldn't get in much trouble as her children are near adulthood, 16 or 17 if not already 18, and they would very clearly deny grooming practices, etc., as in this AVN the teens are the ones pushing the boundaries

 

[hmc15]

Which is why laws based on an arbitary number are utterly and pointlessly useless. So a 22yo knows better than a 21yo? Driving at 57mph is inherantly more dangerous than at 55mph? A 17yo is so much more sexually naive and innocent than an 18yo? You can get married at 17 but can't drink or watch porn? Etc etc etc....

Driving at 57mph is basically the same as driving at 55mph, but driving at 85mph is not similar to driving at 55mph. The laws have to draw the line somewhere and, in an ideal world, only penalize people who significantly break the law to the point of endangerment